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PS4 Pro Performance Is Equivalent to $900 PC, It's "Really High Benchmark" for Console - ARK Dev

PS4 Pro performance is roughly equivalent to a $900 PC, according to ARK Lead Programmer Jeremy Stieglitz who's very impressed with its performance.

The team is also looking into PSVR and crossplay options with other platforms.

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ccgr3109d ago

When you put it that way the PS4 Pro is quite the bargain.

mikeslemonade3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

$900 sounds about right.

GTX 970 $250
CPU $250
PSU $30
Motherboard $60
Ram $60.
Case $10
HDD $40
OS: $90
Total: $790
After tax you getting pretty close to $900. And you have to build the PC and buy the parts piece by piece.

If you go AMD side you can get it like as much as 30% cheaper.

Alexious3109d ago

A $250 is more powerful than PS4 Pro's, though.

mikeslemonade3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

I went with a Intel board. Which is current gen I5 or last gen I5. You can cheaply go AMD.

Vegamyster3109d ago

What $250 CPU are you buying? A good i5 is under $200, AMD FX 8320 is well under $150.

XStation4pio_Pro3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

@alexious:
a $250 card gets you an rx480 with peak 5.8 TFLOPS, but you have to account for the fact that they aren't directly comparable because consoles are built for pretty much nothing but pushing graphics so the gpu and APIs are customized, efficient and down to the metal (same reason dx12 doesn't make a huge difference on the x1) so they are going to be in the same neighborhood at the very least in terms of performanc. PCs don't have as much of a luxury in that particular neighborhood of performance gain.

ChrisW3109d ago

Power equivalent to a GTX 970? Doubtful. Maybe a GTX 960.

Youngindy213109d ago

Cases are more than 10 dollars. That's absurd.

kevnb3109d ago

Digital foundry built their pc with 480, found that games played well around 1440p and it seems the ps4 pro plays most games around the same.

Vhampir3109d ago

If you know how and where to shop, you can build an equivalent, or a little better, PC for $500 at most.

Both XBox One and PS4(pro aswell) use AMD jaguar APUs, so you may as well go by AMD prices. Windows 10 can be bought for $20, or for free even if you don't mind being watched. RX470 for $160, which is more powerful than what's in the PS4 pro. The rest can be bought even cheaper in combo deals.

thexmanone3109d ago

$10 for the case and $30 for the PSU. I don`t think so.

starchild3109d ago

I could easily build a PC for around $600 that would generally outperform the PS4 Pro. I don't know where people get these extremely skewed figures.

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tontontam03109d ago

@aquamala
intel-i7 processors has significant performance gains over i5 processors on some games I don't know why that is the case, but I'm planning on buying an i7 processor when kaby lake comes out.

game4funz3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

A $250 cpu is a lot more powerful then the cpu in the ps4 pro.
Doesn't sound right at all.

$10 for a case? what kind of case are you getting? really shows how you do not know what you are talking about.
$30 for a power supply. Well good luck running the gtx970 + whatever $250 cpu youre thinking of.

strifeblade3109d ago

wow if ps4 is a 900$ pc then scorpio is like a 1400$ pc. Thats amazing

Princess_Pilfer3109d ago

1: https://pcpartpicker.com/li...
650USD. Didn't even bother to find a sale, and this will thrash a PS4 pro in terms of performance (partly GPU, but mostly the way, way, way better CPU.) And yes, the fancy upscaling is perfectly possible on PC if the devs actually wanted to do it. (Ubisoft already has.)

2: Ubuntu. No OS cost.

3: PS+ eats your money. (and the games they "give" you are all old enough that you probably don't care and/or won't play them so are a waste of money, and PC users get free games all the time without pirating)

n4rc3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

$900 crushes the ps4p and probably scorpio as well (only say probably since we dont know final specs or price)

maybe a prebuilt retail system at $900..

10 disagrees about a $400 console not being as powerful as a $900 pc... man, you fanboys really are delusional.. lol

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sinjonezp3109d ago

WRong about PSU. Best price would be 60 $ evga. Non sli psu if running a 970 and i5...case 10 dollars? Just no.....mobo 60?? Not for an intel that requires good bandwidth for memory and pci express lanes...Cheapest quality terabyte hdd would be 59-69$ so some of this data is incorrect it's still close but might as well go gtx 1060 6gb for 269 over 970..

Drizzy3109d ago

Damn shitty case,hdd,ram and psu

Movefasta19933109d ago

You've never heard of a rx480???

TwistedMetal3109d ago

dont forget shipping and handling. a ps4 pro you can pick up at any retialer.

Sy_Wolf3109d ago

Where did you get those prices from?

Matology3109d ago

I wouldn't be putting a GTX 970 with a cheep ass PSU. And besides its more like 470-480 AMD card. Your asking for trouble with cheap PSU's.

KillBill3109d ago

You forgot the keyboard/mouse, why does everyone forget that? ha

robleroy3109d ago

you forgot the controller

hiredhelp3109d ago

If you going put a $30 PSU in my pc I kick your butt your pricing man is way off base mike.

mochachino3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

That CPU/GPU combination would destroy a PS4 Pro in performance.

Consoles are a great value for their performance. You couldn't build a PC from scratch that performs as well as a console for the same price. But if you already have the OS, Case, Ram, etc. and are just upgrading the GPU you can demolish consoles for less money.

A 2500k, which is 6 year old CPU, paired with even a 1060 or 480 still outperforms a PS4 Pro by a lot. And you must add 60 per year for PSN Plus. Making the 5 year cost the same but with worse performance.

Point is, if you already have a PC it's better to spend money on an upgrade than on a console.

mikeslemonade3109d ago

lol because you pedestrians here on N4G don't know how to deal shop.

Sometimes the cases and psu are free after rebate. Or around $10-$20 after the rebate. One gtx 970 and those components only needs like a 450w PSU.

addictgamer3109d ago

But I already have a 2 year old i5/970 computer. I guess building a computer to "match" ps4 pro level graphics now is free

ssmilloy363109d ago

30$ psu. plan on malfunction

agent45323109d ago

Agreed except PC with those parts offers both NATIVE 1080p/4K resolution and 60 frames per second for 1080p and 30 frames per second for 4K resolution. On contrast on PS4 Pro is UPSCALE 4K resolution and either 30 frames per second or less and not all PS4 Pro games run at native 1080p/60 frames per second. Does not counting the non-gaming features the PC offers. The PS4 Pro is an overclocked OG PS4 no more no less. Is cheaper to buy a new case and overclock than build a new PS4 from the ground up.

josephayal3108d ago

PS4 Pro is the ultimate gaming super computer system console machine ultra powerful, i love my PS4 pro

kraenk123108d ago

@ChrisW

A GTX970 is roughly 4 TF either so quite comparable actually.

Zarock3108d ago (Edited 3108d ago )

That cpu Is probably a 4 core cpu. Since the PS4 Is 8 cores, You can get an 8 core Xeon cpu for 65$ only.

mikeslemonade3108d ago

Take this you pedestrians!

$30 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

$10 after rebate when i saw the deal
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

mikeslemonade3108d ago

and lol at blowing up. New gen i5 and i7 cpus run at 65c stock and 970 requires like around 200(?) watts. Also runs at 80c stock.

So you pedestrians probably still cheaping out on the AMD side or old gen NVIDIA cards. I have 980ti with 4790k, eat my dust!

Kurdishcurse3108d ago

except the ps4 pro is nowhere near gtx970 performance. not even half actually id say its bafely reaching a 670 in power. too bad the cpu is as strong as a wet napkin. this is another reason why the ark dev is either lying for marketing or pulling poney dust out of his bumbum.

Drizzy3106d ago

You might need a monitor too

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Huguinho3109d ago

I love when some 'x' developer gives an opinion of something that is "favorable" to Sony, n4g states it immediatly as a fact. Otherwise...

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Chris_Wray3109d ago

Not a huge surprise that they got to release. Makes sense for Sony to get good games onnthe system.
I'm not sold on the $900 pc equivalent part though. A bit too much like PR speak for me, but I do imagine that it's good value for money.

Festano3109d ago

I agree with you, I think even a $600 PC might easily outperform the Pro.

Aloy-Boyfriend3109d ago

False. In one article about building a PC that matches the PS4 , the cost was between $500 and $600. So that $600 pc is the equivalent of a OG PS4.

masterfox3109d ago

I agree about to play right now Uncharted 4 visually similar game on my mighty PC...oh wait!!!.... there's none actually that can reach Uncharted 4 visuals or gameplay, god damnn, oh well going to play a similar Driveclub racing game on my mighty PC that can portray better weather effects or better photorealistic images.....what!!!?, theres none too for the PC!!!!!!. god damn it!.

oh hell with this PC gaming going back to my ready to play stunning games on my PS4. :D

aquamala3109d ago

PS4 Pro is only running this game at 720p 60fps or 1080p 30-60fps, pretty sure a $600 PC runs this game better than that

Vegamyster3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

@XiKurapikaKurta

Probably not $600 but For $900 your can easily get something with a 1070 & OS in it which blows the 970 away.

"We estimate it would cost at least $900 to build a similarly powerful PC, and that’s if you were custom-building it with extreme cost control. We estimate its raw GPU performance is similar to an NVIDIA 970"

Just sounds like PR speak.

https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

http://cdn.techfrag.com/wp-...

mikeslemonade3109d ago

If you cheap out by getting AMD parts than $600 is almost possible but you have to wait for deals.

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ONESHOTV23109d ago

masterfox-- are you talking about that interactive movie ? lol uncharted is nothing but cutscenes it's like a soup with a lot of broth but no content. and btw the witcher 3 easily beats uncharted in terms of visuals and gameplay so what are you talking about if you were a PC gamer you would know this dont play the console version and say it looks bad becuase of course it will it's on the console. the same with driveclub go and try project cars or forza forza horizon 3 on PC @ 1440p or 4k maxed and come back and tell me driveclub looks better

starchild3109d ago

@masterfox

Your anti-PC comments are always filled with delusion. You clearly haven't played on any decent gaming PC.

joshljr3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

In raw power then yes, but console games are often optimised specifically to get everything out of any given system.

How much they'll be able to get away with on a PC is an unknown quantity.

On a side note: Would love for multi platform games to be cross platform though... But that might be because I'm on the less popular Xbox 😉

game4funz3109d ago

@Xiku

Well if you take into account the fact that most ps4 pro owners already had a ps4 that would mean they mightve spent upwards of 700$ for this gen alone.

I've only spent 250$ or so to upgrade my graphics card. done.

robleroy3109d ago

first let me see a $600 pc running an uncharted4 alike game as smooth and good-looking as a ps4 does.......
Consoles are built for games..
PC's are not!!!...and are restrained by slots (the slots in which you plug your graphics card, CPU and memory. (consoles don't have those...))
.And games are better tweaked for consoles .a pc can have gazillion hardware setups. And let us not think about the controller and device options (kinect,move,psvr, wii)

zidane13413109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

Masterfox: are you seriously saying a computer couldn't handle uncharted? That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day, congratulations! Computers could smoke uncharted, and if you think otherwise your straight up crazy

Unspoken3108d ago

Easily. GTX 1060 would smoke the PS4 Pro.

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Corpser3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

More in the $700-800 range I think, and with $400 PS4 pro and paying $60 to play online a year for 6 years PS4 pro gaming costs the same. And pc components drop their prices fast, that $700 PC today you Can build next year for $500 .

pleasuretokill3109d ago

Not to mention, PC games are usually always cheaper than console games, by a lot! Steam sales alone will allow you to save %50-80 off most AAA titles during winter and summer sales, when you add it all up... PC gaming is better if you can afford the up front cost of the hardware.

SierraGuy3109d ago

Guys...ps4 pro also supports remote play so factor in that hardware / software cost. Just saying...

Princess_Pilfer3109d ago

Not even that.
https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

635USD, if you get nothing on sale. And the CPU is way more powerful than the PS4 pros, so when you're dealing with CPU bound process it will *way* outperform the PS4.

thisismyaccount3109d ago

At pl.tokill

Yeah, PC games tend to be much cheaper .. maybe when you buy them during one of those Steam Summer/Winter sales perhaps? Day 1 and few months after, both version will cost the same.

GTA5 still costs €60 on steam http://store.steampowered.c...
Amazon $60 .. used? $30 https://www.amazon.com/Gran...
Witcher 3 on steam €30, on GoG €15
Witcher 3 on PS4 €50, XB1 €40, PC €30 (Gamestop.de)

Buy games on GoG
#FUSTEAM

Weapon_of_choice3108d ago

And with a pc you get hacks and cheaters, and no ps4 gamepad. I'll stick with my pro thank you very much.

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uth113109d ago

I'm sure armchair pundits are bigger experts in PC vs PS4 performance than a developer whose job it is to measure such things though...

Str8Chaos743109d ago

Or you can run a benchmark with actual numbers and compare them.

starchild3109d ago

Developers aren't immune to saying stupid things though. I don't doubt they are knowledgeable about the very particular aspect of game making they are involved in (art, programming, level design, etc), but that doesn't make them experts in everything gaming-related.

The fact is, these things have already been tested and the results are well documented. http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

It doesn't take anywhere near a $900 PC to match, and even beat, the PS4 Pro.

n4rc3109d ago

we arent talking game development, we are talking hardware... its an apples to apples comparison, it doesnt take a genius to figure it out..

agent45323109d ago

It depends because PC gamers built their PC from the ground up. Basically, they know which parts are cheap but efficient plus knowing the ins and outs of PC parts by understanding clockspeeds, ram, temperature, etc. All of that gives credibility to PC gamers. What if Sony gave the dev $25 million dollars to say the PS4 Pro is on par to a $900.00 PC. After all, Sonys' goal is to sell PS4 Pro systems. No corporation nor game developer that makes games for say system is going to admit:

"We overclocked the OG PS4 and is on par to a low end gaming PC."

If Sony and say game developer were to say that, how many PS4 Pro would be sold?

kraenk123108d ago (Edited 3108d ago )

@starchild

I also mostly game on PC but I as this developer I sure know, and you know too, that a console of the same power by far outperforms the PC equivalent due to better optimised hardware...a simple benchmarks doesn't count...that's what this is about! Deny it all you want.

Unspoken3108d ago

Then you have fan boys who believe anything they read on the net....

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madcowz643109d ago

@masterfox: Relax and take your fan boy goggles off for a second. Exclusives built specifically for a console are obviously going to look fantastic but U4's downfall is that it's only 30fps. Compare any game running on ultra settings on PC compared to PS4PRO the amount of shortcuts it takes to run any game on 4k or even 1080p 60fps is laughable, look up Rise of the Tomb Raider for example. Oh and any game with mods including Skyrim, a game from 2011 looks better than U4. Not downing U4 in anyway, it's gorgeous but you'd have to be blind to think any consoles can outperform a PC.

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KaiPow3109d ago

They mention trying to do PSVR as a Pro-exclusive feature. Is this something that Sony would allow?

no_more_heroes3109d ago

How is the Pro in terms of noise? Is it quieter than the base ps4?

Antnee5343109d ago

I have the pro and mine is quieter than the base ps4

no_more_heroes3109d ago

Cool. I vaguely remember reading something like that, but wasn't sure. If it's noticeably quieter, then I think I'll try and get one sooner than planned. I don't have a 4k screen yet, but it looks like there will be an improved 1080p option in games so it'll still be good to get.

Now to start saving.

crazychris41243109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

Never had the OG PS4 but I used an Android app to measure sound and the highest it got was 40 db in Infamous Second Son. It usually stays around 30-35 during gaming, rare to go over. I only notice it when playing at night or during quiet moments.

Slappy McGee3109d ago

The Pro is louder after playing a while. I never heard the OG PS4 (non slim) from where i sit across from my tv but i can hear the Pro. It's not loud enough to be annoying or anything but it took me by surprise enough to mute my tv and determine where the noise was coming from. Of course this was after 2 hours of play in Skyrim so it's not like the Pro is a jet engine or anything the minute you turn the system on.

Slappy McGee3109d ago (Edited 3108d ago )

To everyone disagreeing, here's an example from a while ago when i was playing. This is 20 minutes into turning the system on and playing The Last Guardian.

http://sendvid.com/3pyu3n6v

https://sendvid.com/67yqcsd... (12 feet away. Turn volume up to max)

Post video proof of my Pro actually making noise and get downvotes. There's some fucking idiots on this site....

Aenea3109d ago

Mja, there also have been more recent non-Slim PS4's which were a lot quieter... I had a launch model PS4 and it was LOUD, way fricking LOUD when playing certain games, even just a game on pause it would be loud, so loud that if I went to do something else for even 30 min I rather put it in sleep mode instead.

Now with the Pro it's so quiet I will keep it on...

gbsrnctaln3109d ago

Silent compared to my old ps4 which sounded like a jet engine.

DashArrivals3109d ago

Dude, the sound of the PS4pro is a non-issue.

no_more_heroes3109d ago

It's less important to me (even though I do notice it while playing) and more to do with my family. Playing FFXV a couple of days ago and my little sister was wondering what was making so much noise.

I want something less noticeable when its on so that I can play it in my room using remote play while she's in the living room where she likes to study (she's in med school).

ONESHOTV23109d ago

i dont know about the original PS4 but the pro is some what quite when you insert a disc it does make a lot of noise but goes away within a minute or so

SouljAx3603109d ago

Using Uncharted 4 as benchmark since it made my old PS4 crazy loud, it's much quieter. It's by no means silent though.

kraenk123108d ago

It's not as near silent as the last 1200 series model but more silent than the launch model I'd say.

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Aurenar3109d ago

All aboard to the marketing train! Ps4 pro like a 900$ pc? Are you kidding me?

sactownlawyer9163109d ago

Let's see should I believe some rando on N4G or a developer who has developed a game on all three systems? Surely the rando would know more right?

starchild3109d ago

That's what you fanboys always say. Unless it's a developer saying something good about Xbox or PC or Nintendo, in which case suddenly they don't know anything.

game4funz3109d ago

And has yet to optimize it well on all three systems. lol

Charybdis3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

No they are literallly saying that for the same performance you could build your own $900 pc with extreme cost control (pre build will obviously cost more).

The 10th Rider3109d ago

But we just built a PC fo around $900 that runs BF1 at 1440p 70-80fps on ultra, way above the PS4P. Nowadays you can get a 1080 for a tiny bit more than we got our 1070 for. We just built my brother-in-law a PC that will match the pro's performance for only $600. That's with a 256 GB SSD + large HDD in both, as well

kenwonobi3109d ago

We get it. It hurts your ego that it 900 dollars worth of PC equivalent graphics. The rest of just appreciate the bargain.

KilluaX33109d ago

" it 900 dollars worth of PC equivalent graphics"

Maybe graphics, but definitely not frame rate.

stuna13109d ago

Yeah it's not like all PC's are built to exact specs, crazy isn't it!?

kraenk123108d ago

I knew there would be lots of hurt PC fans crying out loud.

Gravesinger_3108d ago

I knew there would be lots $ony fans who would buy in to this garbage.

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Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 devs praise games like Space Marine 2 for "lowering the barrier"

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 developers discuss the huge success of Space Marine 2 and its effect on the series as a whole.

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Jingsing2d ago

How about an official level editor for Boltgun?

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

P_Bomb2d ago

“Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy?”

My dude your post history shits on EVERYTHING. You never have a good thing to say about anything lol! 🤣

PanicMechanic2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

“Getting ready for those GaaS reveals! Sony is a shadow of themselves this gen.”

You literally said this a couple of days ago. Start applying the clown make up, you hypocritical jester

derek2d ago

Yep we'll see, they have alot releasing next year.

RaidenBlack2d ago

NGL, next year might be one of the best years in gaming ... starting off with RE9 and GTA VI ...
and then all the good games that's been cooking
Pragmata, Sands of Time, Saros, Gears E-Day, 007 First Light, Blood of Dawnwalker,
Mortal Shell II, Onimusha, Marvel1943: Rise of Hydra
current-gen only Infinity Ward's CoD, Duskbloods
+ My guess: Wolverine, Exodus, Mudang, Crimson Desert, Clockwork etc ...
~ seems like it might get too stacked

1Victor2d ago

@rokos:”Hopefully “
I downvoted you not for been hopeful but because I have seen the same “NEXT YEAR WILL BE SPECIAL “ comment for the last 10+ and hasn’t seen anything special from Microsoft.
I hope next year will be the one that everyone been waiting for since the last 3 years of the Xbox 360, it have to be after over $80 billions spent on acquisitions.

Lightning772d ago

So the new excuse is they don't count because it's from the ABK now huh. I guess all those 3rd party games count even less because they don't own them. According to your always crappy logic.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

Lol. You haven't seen anything special? Do you even game?

OtterX3d ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer19923d ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX3d ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer19923d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted3d ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast3d ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica3d ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand1253d ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer19923d ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts3d ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

@OtterX
You're the dude mad at your exes new guy. She's with someone else... get over it.

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Lightning773d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot073d ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen3d ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica3d ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer883d ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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