During a panel at PlayStation Experience in Anaheim, presented by Sony Interactive Entertainment, The Last of Us: Part II Creative Director Neil Druckmann shared a relevant detail.
I imagine Joel would be very old for platforming .. Etc
Well he was a little old in the first game but he seemed alright. I guess he just got used to surviving for so long it's never brought him down.
He might not be real.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. Just the way the trailer was I think he's just in her head.
Damn... that would suck... i hope not. Cant wait!
Have a feeling Joel will die and the story will revolve around her getting her revenge. If Joel plays a big role in the game it'll most likely be for narrative purposes like having him act as her conscious as flashbacks or hallucinations.
I don't think he will die, I think the story will revolve around him seeing how the choice he made at the end of the first game leads to Ellie's downfall/corruption. Imagine if by the end of the game Ellie is essentially the villain and Joel ends up being the one to kill her.
My only problem with this theory is Troy Baker. I m not feeling him play only a small part. Or there might be lots of flash backs.
Yeah, or parts of the game playing in earlier times when he was still alive, showing the family life they both had. I'm pretty sure he'll die by the hand of the fireflies.
Sully older than Joel and he did it. Different games but still.
Joel isn't that much older in this game (if he is alive) Ellie was almost 15 by the end of LOU, she is 19 in LOU2 Joel was 50 by the end of LOU, he is probably 54-55 years old in LOU2 Also this game isn't about platforming, I don't want anything "uncharted" to be in this...
Surely we must play a bit of Joel though like how Ellie was playable a little in the first game. I kind of assumed the sequel would be half and half with Part III being all about Ellie
Neil already said this game is all about ellie
That's kinda disappointing. I can't imagine a game where Joel isn't a major part of the game.
Yeah I'm not feeling the "this is all about Ellie" theme here. I like Joel better than Ellie myself. Not saying she's a bad character, it's just I prefer Joel.
I'm sure you'll play as Joel. They'll throw a few surprises just like they did in the first game.
I don't see why we can't play as both. It worked great in the first game.
I have a feel Joel died. Ellie is pissed and trying to come to her sense but she is blinded by hate. Now she is on a mission to kill every firefly out there, You have to remember Joel killed alot of people and SMART Doc in a world that has very few. So its only natural that they would come after him.
That's exactly how I feel, I registered judt to up vote you.
Well considering Joel is in the trailer....nope
The theory is that she's imagining him. Don't know how much I believe that though
Well yes but for ONE Joel was already old in the 1st in the trailer it looks like he did not age one bit.
Considering his footsteps left no traces, even when near the water, though subtle, that may be a hint that Joel as we see him is a figment of Ellie's mind. All hail Naughty Dog.
It's too soon to kill one of them off. They've decided to continue it so why kill one of them straight away. You'd save it for the ending so it's something you can develop in the third game. I just think she's gotten used to Tommy's town and it's then attacked by Fireflies looking for her, she's then filled with rage for seeing her friends die.
Im pretty sure the fireflies found them and killed Joel, that's why she's up for revenge.
The fireflies are crazy fanatics though and not sure their 'docs' were that smart. What I mean theres no 'right' and 'wrong' as we see it in their world, and that was the moral in the first game. Edit. @pee What cure? You mean the one they said they hope to be able to make in killing her?
Well obvi they were smart enough to make a cure in the first place lol. Not once in the game did they SAY WE HOPE IT WILL WORK. No where did it say anything about it. They said many times it WILL WORK. You guys be talking out of ur asses
"Well obvi they were smart enough to make a cure in the first place lol." But they didn't. They wanted to kill Ellie in the hopes of reverse engineering a vaccine based on her immunity. They did it all based on hope, not on anything concrete. Joel told a half truth at the end of TLOU. If you listen to what's her name (the leader of the Fireflies) she never says they know how to cure the infection, she says they think they can make a vaccine. Big difference.
For some reason, I didn't get this feeling from the trailer. But it does tie the trailer together, your theory. At first I just thought he was coming in the house to see how she was doing after they had to take out a bunch of fireflies. Some people think that coming from a bright light means he's dead. I just thought it was a nod to welooming him back. Who knows!? What I do know is this wait will be almost unbearable!
I sure hope not... the last of us for me is Joel.
I have a feeling her hate is generated more from the lie Joel told at the end of the first game. Is he still lying to her? How many lies has he told to keep the truth hidden?
Eh at first I thought that as well but when Ellie states that she will kill "every last one of them" it doesn't add up why she would hate the fireflies if the hate was supposed to be about the lie Joel told her. Or maybe by "them" she means infected?
He only half lied and it's very likely Ellie knew he half lied. The Fireflies had no cure. They didn't even have facts. All they knew was that Ellie was immune and in an attempt to reverse engineer a vaccine they'd kill her to see how she was immune. There were no guarantees and Ellie could have ended up dying for nothing. I think it's more likely that Ellie finds out that the Fireflies weren't on the up and up like she originally thought, something happens to Joel (personally I don't think he died, I think his face got seriously messed up which is why they don't show it) and she gets pissed. People thinking Joel died need to ask themselves what purpose a dead man has for a gun.
His a vision, she sees him the way she remembers him.... What purpose does a dead man have for clothing?
I mostly agree with you about the first game. You got a good point about not showing his face in the trailer and that puzzles me as to why. Also when he appears at the door wheres she s playing, she doesnt even look at him and just stops and puts her guitar down. She starts her reply and only then looks at him.
"His a vision, she sees him the way she remembers him." You base that on nothing. "What purpose does a dead man have for clothing?" Exactly but in this instance it would have no bearing on the story to have Joel naked as a ghost but would have a bearing on the game rating and potential audience.
Joel and Kratos would make the best of friends. They could talk about how they rose their son and daughter figures to be epic warriors while these they rock awesome beards doing it
Kratos has no friends.
Orkos was Kratos' friend
Seems like the story will be even darker this time around.
I would have been fine with no sequel, but I'll defo buy this day 1.
The prevailing theory is that Joel is dead, and that Joel you see in the trailer does not in fact exist anymore. It's just Ellie....perhaps the fireflies caught up to him and killed him for what he did at the hospital, and now Ellie is full of pain and rage and seeking retribution. Whatever the case, Naughty Dog will make it awesome.
Prevailing theory based on absolutely nothing, so who cares.
It's based on intuition and the games previous events. But a soulless loser like yourself wouldn't know the first thing about that. Truth hurts.
The prevailing theory has a huge flaw. What use does a dead man have for a gun? Joel walks in with a pistol. And nothing in the previous game suggests Joel would be dead. Nothing.
He was alive and well at the end of the first one. So no, it isn't based on the first one or any events in it. Intuition? Like I said, based on nothing.
Its as if people want Joel to be dead so they build these superstitions that arent based on any factual merits. So the moment somebody tells them that these "theories" arent based on anything they get disagrees while the guy thats making up lies based on "intuition" gets agrees lol.. you hear one person say one theory and everyone jumps the bandwagon like they're experts. No Joel isnt dead, he was alive in the 1st game, and hes alive holding a gun in the trailer. Get it to your thick skulls already
@dragonknight It's a theory....but your rationale as to why Joel has a gun is ridiculous. You might as well ask why Joel is wearing clothes....if he is dead, that image would be how Ellie remembers him, and after all he is a violent man in a violent world, so the gun fits...especially if she's struggling letting him go and is really imagining he is still with her at times, because she needs him to be there, otherwise she has no one left to trust, presumably. Ellie's been put through the ringer, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine she is having a very hard time mentally, breaking down. Broken mind. Also, it seems to me in a world as brutal as The Last of Us....(possible spoilers for TLOU) after the events at the hospital, retribution from the fireflies would have to come...they would not just give up on the possible cure in Ellie, no matter how long it took to find her and Joel, they would look. And they sure as hell would not be cool with Joel killing so many of their members. So them killing Joel would be a great catalyst for Ellie being driven to seek revenge, which would match the tone of the trailer. Anyway, it's fun to speculate, it's not written in stone, so r.e.l.a.x.....relax.
Oh man, I screamed when I saw the firefly symbol and woke my 11month old daughter. Damn you Naughty Dog!!!
The hell with all these assumptions wait to play the game, and enjoy.
Someone took ellie's baby.
Baby?! She's lesbian. (or bi at least). Plus I don't think she would want to put a child in this world.
It would be cool to see Joel being the one who pulls her out of this hate, like how she pulled him out of his despair.
Really help they don't have Joel take a backseat in this game, I can't imagine it being just Ellie without Joel.
Ellie all grown up is one BFF to be reckoned with. I can't wait for this game, and I hope it will have some Joel specific chapters like ;"winter;" in the first one, if this is the case I'm so PumpinTehPllaystatiotion4Pro sh1t out of this MFday1LastofUs2G.O.A.T. until my hands fall off. So this is why I choose PSx for these masterpieces to be, and the classics I can't wait for all these new exclusives because this Gen is just starting to get some serious flavor.
Honestly ND is doing this all wrong. Last of us is not about the characters, or the plot, at its core. The core of this game are it's themes and the mood and they have now in my opinion messed it up In multiple ways. Joel and ellie' s story should have ended. Their story was never intended to be a trilogy . Now ND is drawing out the story And it will become boring and meaning less. They could have kept this franchise fresh and intriguing with new characters and story. I feel that all these fans asking for more joel and ellie are going to be sorry they asked for the exact same game over again because that's what is being made here.
The Last of Us IS about Joel and Ellie. Bringing in new main characters would just be an easy way out. A direct sequel is very risky indeed, but the payoff would be much better if done right. This is ND we're talking about here so have some faith. This would never have been a thing if they didn't have a story worth telling in mind. And it's not the exact same game again unless you know something that we don't. Stop hating and just see what happens.
All you have to know is what you played in the first game. Fireflies want ellie, Joel wants to keep ellie. The plot is paper thin, not throwing shade here but that's plain to see. Turning that simple plot line that was used in the first game for another 30 hour game is just going to get you the same exact thing except everyone is a few years older. It just baffles me how ND are tossing out what was brilliant and what was core about the original in favor for elements that are not strong enough for this sequel to stand on. They made the wrong choice . If they somehow found a new strength in the story to keep it great then I pray they show it soon to put the doubters at ease. Because right now not everyone who loved the first game is convinced yet and they absolutely need everyone on board if this sequel is going to surpass the first game.
Assumptions, nothing but assumptions. Come back and judge it three years later when you've actually played it.
Sure buddy. It looks flawless to me. Chilling intro. Instant classic.
If they brought in new characters, how would it be different than the first game? The first game was basically about Joel and Ellie surviving long enough to make it to the Fireflies. What would a sequel with new characters be if not a similar story but with a different end goal? Believe it or not, outside Ellie and Joel there isn't much story to tell. With the first game they did away with having to have a sequel be the same thing and they can focus on a different kind of revenge story. One of absolute rage. This can be a game where we see Ellie like she was when she was almost raped, only for the whole game. Pissed and looking to brutalize people. Now personally I'm not a fan of a strictly Ellie game, but I'm still hyped about it and this really is the only way to have a great story.
What you may not realize is for tlou the essential driving force of the game and story is the SETTING and THEMES. With the backdrop that has been laid out by the setting you could tell many different stories about people's survival and moral choices the post apocalypse. But by making a sequel based on the thin plot they have narrowed the directions the game can go by how ellie fits into it. I bet that the decision of direct sequel vs new storyline was a difficult one to make at ND. In the end they decided that they felt they had to keep familiarity because they knew many would accept that vs going in a new direction and risk losing more of the audience. But event hough that MAY be more of a risk audience wise the chances of surpassing the original are better because of the wider range of possibilities. ND must have a good reason for sticking with the same plot. But I believe because of this this will narrow narrow the chance of the sequel surpassing the original.
"essential driving force of the game and story is the SETTING and THEMES." No actually it isn't. TLOU has a cliched setting and themes. TLOU's driving force was the relationship between Joel and Ellie and their experience in the world. You can't do much in a cliched setting other than tell the same story with different people over and over. Joel and Ellie survive in a post apocalyptic world in TLOU Bob and Joe survive in a post apocalyptic world as a gay couple in TLOU 2 Daquan and Li Mei survive in a post apocalyptic world as an interracial couple in TLOU 3. Focusing on the setting limits what you can do because the setting is zombies and quarantine zones. Why do you think shows like the Walking Dead do well? It's not because of the zombies, it's because of the characters.
I believe Joel have something to do with that "hate". Maybe his lies and when Ellie finds out the truth, oh my God.
Boooo...I knew they were gonna go the Ellie route. Might buy, not holding my breath. Maybe she'll find out Joel took the pansy route in the end and she'll kill him.
It looks like another flawless masterpiece. Do much emotion in this intro. It's the most realistic game to date on entertainment. I am on board immediately.
So excited!!! Can't wait to play this however long it may be :)
Now this looks awesome! Loved the first one and can't wait to play this.
We will see her become the next Vader.
Joel: What are you doing kiddo? You really gonna go through with this? Ellie: I will snatch every mother f*&$% birthday.