Microsoft Would Commit Suicide If Xbox Scorpio Is Priced More Than $399 – Pachter

For all the flak the PS4 Pro has been receiving, there's no denying that it has an intriguing price point. $399 for what's now the default PS4 model but with better hardware and additional visual touches to supported games isn't all that bad. That being said, with Microsoft's Project Scorpio aiming to deliver true native 4K and VR, how will it price its next big console?

[mad-dog]

Well good luck with that. It will be hard to price hardware like that at 399 i think.
Not that i would mind of course ;P

[Prubar]

I don't know people say a lot of things. They said the pro controller was to much but it found its audience being a premium product for people willing to pay for it. People also said that the S was being sent out to die because of the Scorpio announcement but it sure seems to be doing fine. I'll take this statement with a grain of salt and take the wait and see approach

[RosweeSon]

Yeah like 5-10% their entire user base, Scorpio is great for the people with 4K or are all about power but we've seen majority were happy with last gen consoles until last year or so. Scorpio is all well and good and more choices great but it's not gonna be cheap certainly not to start with and yeah it's not the console that's gonna push their sales forward massively in the future Xbox one S was that console and I must say I'm a little under whelmed it's slow and man the store is a mess. 1 download at a time can't install patches or discs at the same time... next gen?

[saywat247]

i thought microsoft was already dead.

[shiva1]

If anything needs to die then it should be patcher. Didnt he cross his retirement age already?

[XanderZane]

When you make billions in profits every year, it's pretty hard for a company to die. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Angeljuice]

Microsoft are profitable but they aren't Apple profitable by any means.

@Mystogan

Apple are the most profitable company in the world. I know MS aren't in the top 5, don't even think they're top 10 (could be wrong but I only read the first few pages (up to number 5).

[Mystogan]

lol you wish

[never4get]

PS4 PRO would sell a lot, driving down manufacturing cost for Scorpio. Would Scorpio sell a lot at $399? Time will tell. Scorpio comes with Windows 10? Day One. For College!

[Ju]

How can it "drive down manufacturing cost" for a yet released product where MS already cemented the specs 18 months before release? This was a bold move. And not hitting those 6TF will also hit the bad - if that would happen - but totally locks them into a promise not giving them much headroom to play with specs to cost optimize manufacturing. This was almost stupid. They could have left that number out, and be vague but target the best they could get for $399 in 2017 which with almost certainty would have given them a competitive edge over the PS4Pro,

[lipton101]

PS4 pro is its perceived 1:1 competitor and Sony set the bar early. They're (Microsoft) now in a defensive, reactive position. If it's higher than $399 USD, it will be a flop of monumental proportions.

[mad-dog]

Well, we'll see. You won't hear me complain if it turns out to be 399.

[BRAN117DON]

Ohh just shut up pachter

[Double_O_Revan]

Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[sk8ofmnd]

Thats how i feel about phil spencer

[Obscure_Observer]

So why do you care? :p

[UltraNova]

Hmm lately Phil doesnt seem to be able to shut up, he constantly comments on everyone and everything. Its kinda bad for xbox's image tbh. Make xbox great again with your actions not empty words.

[SegaGamer]

He does like to talk a lot doesn't he ? I don't know why we get so many news articles about what he has to say on here. I mean, who gives a damn ? To be honest, i don't even really know who he is. That is how much i am NOT interested in him.

[Obscure_Observer]

That's the same idiot that once said Xbox One would destroy the PS4. And here we are. Xbox is losing for a 20 million gap.

Now he's jumping on Sony's bandwagon trying to steal some light from it.

The true is: He can't tell sh*&!

[donthate]

I remember when analyst said, announcing Scorpio would kill Xbox One S sales. Turns out, Xbox One S sales has been beating PS4 Slim 3 months in a row in the US, and has also spread to other regions like UK and Australia.

[Angeljuice]

It's still getting thrashed in overall sales though.

[shiva1]

@angle

What is getting thrashed? Keep that ps4, slim and xbox one s side by side and check features and support that each system gets. If there's a fire sale then xbox one s would disappear in a second off the shelves....

Still theres plenty of people telling others about DRM which never even existed in the history since day one. So with all the negative media and people spreading lies it survived this much...

[donthate]

Angel:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Xbox was behind in every region, now they are ahead in some regions, next stop, in all regions except maybe the rather nationalistic and discriminatory Japan.

[ArchangelMike]

C'mon man,it's not going to be $399 - not if they really are going to put out a premium 6TB 4K console. They are not going to want to be making a loss on this machine, so they'll price it so they get a nice profit margin, especially when there won't be a proven software line up to guarantee a return on software. You're more likely to see it priced at $449, or maybe even $499. Phil Spencer has come out and said it's a premium console so expect a premium price http://www.techradar.com/ne...

[AngelicIceDiamond]

450 is very reasonable and highly realistic imo. 500 is too much though MS nearly got away with it bundling Kinect and surprisingly selling million units that week. That's when the good story and ends and the sad one begins.

Either way MS knows not to sell it at 500 even if other consoles before it have done it. But 450 is reasonably fair price point.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

2 words: 'Premium console', so i doubt it'll be $450. Know that elite controller?
MS called it a 'Premium Controller'! came out at $149.00! so in my opinion from what i searched on Philly boy
calling the Xbox Scorpio 'Premium', it's not gonna be cheap.

[LastCenturyRob]

True, but I wonder how well it wold have done say it had 12 gig of ram, where it wouldn't have had frame rate and resolutions issues early on... The $499 price point didn't help but I think the resolution issues are what really held up sales in the begging.

[sk8ofmnd]

They could offer 200$ on the xb1s trade in making the scorpio 300 if it was priced at 500.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Angelic

Forget it! A 6TFs machine with 320GB bandwidth (probably GDDR5X) and an unknown 8CORE CPU that may turn out to be ZEN? Bear in mind that Spencer and Xbox team are aiming for balance between Scorpio's components to avoid bottlenecks, so, don't expect to MS to give you all of it for cheap.

399 is fantasy, fiction, illusion or whatever I may call it. This price tag is all but realistic.

Ms are no looking for mainstream with the Scorpio. If the elite controller price is anything to go by. Don't be surprised if the Scorpio's price turn out to be even higher than 599!

[Angeljuice]

@Obscure

"Bear in mind that Spencer and Xbox team are aiming for balance between Scorpio's components to avoid bottlenecks,"

That is exactly what they said about the X1 design. Talk is cheap.

[ShadowKnight]

12GB of memory, new CPU, UHD drive, 6 teraflops gpu which cost a little over 400 dollars (GTX1070). Ain't no way it will be $399, more like $499 imo. If its $399, they will lose money on every Scorpio they sell. Do you truly believe a console that's $399 will play games in Native 4K 60fps with a 6 teraflop gpu? I see Microsoft using the checkerboard technique as well.

[freshslicepizza]

even if its $499 its still going to be quite a bit cheaper than a 4K pc gaming machine and i beleive sony is going to be making money on the ps4 pro which can produce 4k games like nba 2k. in a year from now we all know how technology advances and prices go down.

it's also silly to compare a pc to a console, look at how low the ps4 is in comparable parts yet can produce amazing visuals like uncharted 4 and horizon at 1080p.

[ShadowKnight]

@Moldybread
If the Scorpio is $499 it will be dead in the water because Sony will lower the price of the PS4PRO to $349 and I have to agree with Patcher on this one, even though I don't agree with him most of the time. $500 is to much for a *console* imo and Sony learned their lesson with that price. Last but not least it's going to always come down to exclusive games and not just power. Sony has a lot of games coming out next year. Until Microsoft starts to invest in more first part studios they will be in the same position and that's my biggest problem with them.

[donthate]

shadow:

Which suggests Scorpio won't be $499 doesn't it?

But MS could price it at that if they included a game into the bundle. I mean $100 more than PS4 Pro with a game sounds like a deal to me. Heck, they can bundle a few older games like Gears 4 and Halo 5, and push those to native 4K with HDR! Yeah!!!

[TheVigilanteCode]

"6 TFLOPS!!!!!11" doesn't automatically mean it's Nvidia or it's equivalent in metric. There are no direct comparisons as they're many factors involved in throughput. Basically, both AMD & Nvidia use different metrics to measure their chips' single & double precision floating points in theory. You're looking difference of roughly around 1.5 TFLOPS higher for AMD chips (eg. GTX 1060 4.4 TFLOPS and an albeit slower GPU like the AMD RX 480 with 5.8 TFLOPS)

The Scorpio uses a custom SoC made by AMD. Whatever GPU/CPU is on that die, is up for speculation, but it certainly isn't nvidia, as they're making a custom SoC only for the Nintendo Switch.

Realistically what you're gonna see is an OC'd jaguar or a puma core for the CPU (no way does it come with a zen as it's not even in AMD's roadmap for custom SoC's) and a mildly OC'd Polaris 10 (RX 480 is 5.8 TFLOPS already) to hit that 6 TFLOP mark. I highly doubt that it's gonna be an entry level Vega chip because of the cost associated with it on mass production, despite being smaller. Polaris makes more sense, because it's on 14NM and highly affordable during production next year, to keep the console price at $399 or surprisingly, even lower to match the PS4 Pro then price point, during Scorpio launch. This way they can both, price match Sony and still have a minimal profit on hardware. Just like what the Xbox 360 did.

[ShadowKnight]

@TheVigilanteCode

A RX 480 cannot run native 4K 60fps unless it's a crossfire configuration and it still struggles in that resolution. If what you say is true the Scorpio will not be as powerful as people think. I still think it will have the Zen cpu which will make it expensive. If Microsoft sell it at $399 they will sell it at a loss and make no profit unless they don't care about that 😕 :/

@Obscure

Scorpio will still be $499 I can almost guarantee it

[donthate]

Come next year when price is announced, I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised, and a lot of people will have to eat their words! :D

[Obscure_Observer]

@ShadowKnight.

Don't try and compare a console gaming dedicated architecture with PC.

Ps4pro is already running current gen games (NBA, PES and Ni-oh) at Native 4K and you truly believe the Scorpio will run most games upscaled and checheckerboarded?

If you talking about highly demanding games like The Witcher 3, RDR 2, Cyberpunk 2277 or GTA VI, than I would agreed.

But make no mistake, most games will run at native 4K on Scorpio ;)

[LastCenturyRob]

I have to agree. My guess is $449 with a slight/small profit per system.

[BlackTar187]

The guts they are talking about make 449.00 not a feesable price imo.

Look Consumer level UHD are 299-399 right now they may be $100 cheaper next year who knows but on those 190 UHD they are not good and upsclae most things. The GPU is in the $300 range for consumers. The RAM is expensive. $399 -449 is just not feesable.

[RosweeSon]

How much is an Xbox one S? They'll never get Scorpio with all this extra power for less than $100-200 more than the Xbox one S currently sells for. Not on launch.

[lastking95]

Yea 449 seems like the sweet spot as ive said before.

@ blacktar ms isnt paying consumer prices for those items. 4k blu ray are 400-600 bucks yet xbox s is only 300.

Had an extra $50- $100 worth of specs to the pro how much more powerful would it be? My guess.... 1.8tf more

[LastCenturyRob]

Don't forget MS as well as Sony does not purchase parts at the same cost as retail consumers. They purchase in large volume.The price per part is significantly less than if you or I purchased separately at what ever retail store.

[Angeljuice]

@LastCenturyRob

By the looks of things (and the disagree) some Muppet believes Sony pays retail price for components.

The manufacturer makes the item, it is then sold to a vendor with a profit mark up. The vendor then sells the item to the consumer at an even greater mark up.

If you are buying 10's of millions of units, you won't pay the final mark up and will probably pay less for the initial mark up due to economy of scale.

I know this is obvious to 99.9% of people, but I thought I'd point it out to whoever disagreed with you.

[MasterCornholio]

It will probably do well at 499$.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah it's not expensive for people who change their console every year or 2 or buy a new telly every time HD, 3D or 4K comes around for the other 80-90% us we'll make do with the fantastic games.

[hiawa23]

I like Pachter but this is ridiculous. That is like saying all cars should be the same price no matter what it cost to make them. MS needs to price Scorpio at a decent price. They are not in business to take losses, as Pachter would say just cause the Pro costs $399. If the hardware deems a higher price, then that is what it needs to be. I am buying whatever it costs. Suicide is probably not the right word to use as MS as a company is not like Sony who depends on the Playstation to prop up their other divisions, so the success or failure of the Xbox will not not bury MS whatever happens. All I know is if the Pro is $399, the NX should at minimum be $299 or less. How in the hell is the Wiiu still $300 with a foot in the grave?

[BizarroUltraman]

I like Xbox but you made me Lol, I mean Xbox has been one big loss from its inception. Xbox survives on xbl money and software.

@Donthate,

Why you mad bro?! No problem anytime! Better than hating on someones comment and then insulting them too.

[donthate]

Wow!!! You just discovered console business model that has been around for many decades. Congratulations on the insight!

[badz149]

Not just a foot, the whole of Wii U is already in the grave!

[RosweeSon]

They are still selling them sure it's around 3 month but still on the shelves... dead? Granted it's not gonna get an adverts on telly or be promoted anymore it'll be around for the Christmas period.

[hiawa23]

Lol, I did not want to offend the Nintendo fans, but u right

[Errorist76]

Please everybody spare your clicks, it's Gamingbolt again!

On topic..I hate Pachter but I completely agree with him...they won't sell the base model at more than 399,-.

[superchiller]

Exactly. Gamingbolt is all about the clicks, and frequently tries to smear Sony and make them look bad. Don't bother visiting their site and giving them the clicks.

[subtenko]

im hear for the comments yall

[XXanderXX]

I see $500-$600 price but no matter the price tag am there .

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Hmmmm So 6tflop GPU, 320+gb/sec 12GB GDDR5 and most likely a 8 Core ZEN CPU that will be noticeably beefier than the XB1/PS4/PS4pro Jaguar CPU and who knows what else as far as storage, etc. I mean I think it will be in the $400-$500 ball park which for what it is, is fair!

[Sm00thNinja]

Maybe if it launched today

[donthate]

Fair?

It's a freaking steal! That monster is going to perform like a high end premium PC is today.

[ecchiless]

No, a high end premium pc have more power, also you say today, but scorpio is coming next year, so next year high end pc's are gonna be more powerfull.

[ShadowKnight]

If you say so buddy 😅😅😂

[LastCenturyRob]

Uh-Oh donthate...you got the pc master wasters upset with that comment! How dare you say a console will preform as well as a gaming rig! For shame!

[Angeljuice]

It won't have a Zen CPU!

[shaenoide]

what the point in the One S if they are at the same price ? Even with just a 50 dollars difference it will make the One S useless. Even Phil Spencer says it will be a premium product. It's speak for itself

[donthate]

Because Xbox One S might drop the price to $249 or something. The gap then is a more reasonable $150 to $200. That is unlike the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, which is only a $100. Nobody should be buying a PS4 Slim, as it is bad value. If you get a PS4 today, do yourself a favor and get PS4 Pro all the way and don't be suckered into buying the badly valued PS4 Slim.

[Pancit_Canton]

I think it would be price like around $499 + with Kinect bundle. I don't think E.T landfill would be able to house all those Kinect system.

[demonddel]

If GTA6 comes built from the ground up on The Mighty Scorpio I would spend $599 for it

[badz149]

R* just announced RDR2 for next year. It will be a good couple more years before we will see GTA6.

[Automatic79]

Phil has stated it would be in Price Range of Today's Consoles. 299 to 399

[ShadowKnight]

He said a *premium* price. The Scorpio at $299 😃😄😂
😅

[Automatic79]

@Shadowknight

The mere thought that you have no interest in Xbox but go around spreading misinformation makes me think why do I waste my time. However, I start to think about the gamer's on this website that actually love playing games on any console and prefer a like minded individual to provide responses and not bs like you have all over this thread is the reason I do this. Please see below Phil's actual words.

"Spencer said Microsoft designed the Xbox One S and Scorpio in "parallel" and "thought about the price performance of what we wanted to hit with the Scorpio, relative to what we were going to be able to do with the S." As such, Microsoft aims to offer the consumer "a good price continuum, so people wouldn’t look at these two things as so disconnected because of the price delta."

"Spencer went on to say that he thinks Xbox Scorpio "will feel like it’s a premium product, a premium console. And not something, anything more than that." Because of this, the Xbox boss said people shouldn't be "worried that this thing is going to be unlike any console price you’ve ever seen," as they "didn’t design it that way." He also highlighted the different hard drive size options currently available for the Xbox One S, and how that product line is a good indication of what can be expected from the company going forward".

As you can see folks he will be aiming to keep the prices similar to what we see today with consoles. He reads the market and know that consoles should be priced in a price that makes sense.

[ShadowKnight]

@MichaeLito79

Fair enough but just to let you know Microsoft lies a lot too. But we will see. I hope your right.

[LastCenturyRob]

"IF" MS is willing to sell at cost or a slight loss than maybe it comes in at or very close to $399. That of course would be great and they would sell insanely fast.. Personally, if the console comes out with the same specs or better than what has been rumored I think gamers will be more than happy to pay $449 to $499 for it. Over $499 for even a super powerful console may be more than most will be willing to pay imo. We will see soon enough. If Ms was smart they will release full specs and price point very soon to counter the PS4 pro launch.

[sampson3121]

scorpio has "true" native 4k.

i stopped reading after that.

[ShadowKnight]

I stop reading when everyone kept saying the Scorpio aka the beast to Xbox fans will be $399 😅😂

[Angeljuice]

@Sampson

Because you can't handle the truth?

If it's capable of playing native 4k games then it's a 4k console.

The PS4 doesn't have all games @1080p but it is a 1080p console.

Is the X1 a 720p console because some of its games have shipped in that resolution?

[sampson3121]

I think you misunderstood what i was saying, that was my fault.
I'm saying that this guy calling and making it a point to say "true" native 4k in regards to the Scorpio, means he doesn't think the Pro is a native 4k machine.The PS4 Pro will have native 4k games.

sorry about the confusion.

i put "pro" instead of "scorpio". i fixed it.

[Angeljuice]

OK, thanks for clarifying.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It'll be $400, Sony may drop to $349

[ShadowKnight]

Not trying to troll but you're going to be disappointed with the price.

[threefootwang]

For a PS fanboy you sure spend a lot of time trolling on Xbox articles. No good games to play on the market? I'm not surprised.

[ShadowKnight]

Are you tracking me🤔🤔. That's not wise. We're talking about the price of the Scorpio Xbox fanboy and I can guarantee you it will be $499.

[threefootwang]

I'm guessing $400-$450. Even if it hits $500, for the specs and power that's still a decent price (especially compared to an equivalent PC build).

[wannabe gamer]

Heres hoping for 399+

[Ashlen]

The simple fact is that a 6TF video card aka the GF1070 is a $400 card with a CPU, MB and RAM ect. it's nearly impossible to assume the console will come in at $399 unless Microsoft wants to sell them at huge loss.

$499 is the most likely the minimum price and even at that price I doubt it will be sold at a profit.

[lastking95]

Those cards wont be $400 a year from now and ms dont pay consumer prices for tech. Other wise the xbox Slim would be $600 rather than $300. My guess is potentially 3 skus $400 minimum (at a lost) 450 breaking even. 500 profit. Much like the slim.

[Ashlen]

It's not just the fact that the video card is $400 it's the cost of all the other parts plus the card.

It's not going to be $400.

And as for your evaluation of the Slim, I'd like to remind you that's using a budget card from 3 generations ago that struggles to put out 1080p and uses budget DDR3. The video card in the Slim is less than $100 and 8GB of DDR3 is less than $50

[KoroSenpai]

Scorpio is not really gonna succeed at all if they are sold for over $400. Ps4 pro already has 1 year advantage which gives the developers the time they need to make more games compatible. By 1 year there will be tons of games already optimized for ps4 pro

[lastking95]

Devs would already have scorpio kits

[LastCenturyRob]

The Scorpio will be out next year..not necessarily in exactly one year...It might launch right after the next E3 for all anyone knows.

[Angeljuice]

It will launch over the Christmas period to ensure strong initial sales (the same thing they do with all their exclusives).

[PFFT]

I think Patcher is just stupid.

[BizarroUltraman]

I wouldnt hesitate at $449. Anything upwards of that and Ill wait it out.

But maybe by the time it ships, MS can afford to come in at $399 launch. What if they have different skus?

[Destiny1080]

449 500gig
499 1TB
599 2TB + elite controller

the pro will be 349

[RAM0N]

Just build a pc

[Angeljuice]

And have Microsoft tell you it is illegal to use windows on a custom built machine (and refuse any assistance with any issues).

I didn't believe my friend when he told me this happened to him (until I saw the correspondence). They actually threatened him with legal action for using windows on a custom build!!!!!

Pay money for software, then get threatened with legal action for using it?

Another reason I hate Microsoft.

[ecchiless]

wow really? he should put that mail in the internet.

[SonyWarrior]

Pachter saying alot of things that are correct these days its about time he figured it all out.

[RosweeSon]

If it's as powered as it's supposed to me it's never gonna be under that price they'll be lucky to get it under $499.99 you have seen there pricing yeah? Expensive. I can only work on U.K prices as I don't know US but elite controllers alone were £130! The Kinect was supposed to be worth £100-150... more like £10-15 I say. The launch Xbox one with Kinect was £429!! Sure Kinect is out the deal now but recently got myself an Xbox finally (had 360 for 9 years) Got the gears Xbox one s but even that was £399.99 ok I got mine for £349.99 (pre order price promise) but still Scorpio is gonna be £500-600 over here if it's as powerful as they say.

[lastking95]

I doubt it because A. Tgat 2tb not 1 if scorpio launch with 1tb that's $50 less right there. Also many are forgetting the fact this is next year. The tech price wont be as expensive. $500 max(2tb or bundle sku) $400 minimum (no bundle,500gb/1tb) $450 sweet spot.

[yomfweeee]

Tech prices drop a lot in a year. While they certainly couldn't sell that for $400 if released now... it should be feasible in a year.

[lunatic0001]

Pachter's magic ball is working overtime lately huh

I know the man has never done anything to me but for some reason I hate the guy...just want to give him a good beating haha...something about his face...I don't know...he just has the "I hate this guy for no reason" look

[TheColbertinator]

Microsoft could sell it at a loss at 350 but they won't care. Increase the price of Live to accomodate the losses.

[RosweeSon]

People on here who actually think the Scorpio is gonna be under $399 are I'm sad to say deluded I'd be Very shocked. Xbox one S currently starts from ie cheapest model $299... the gears one is nearer $399? Surely yet that's a custom console with game and 2TB however your telling me that Scorpio is gonna come in at under $399 with all those extra teraflops? And Gigawatts... got more chance of going back to the future.

[PFFT]

Actually no no one thinks that the console will be under 399. But it wont be more than the PS3's debut price. Sure people gave the price a lot of flak BUT it still sold.

[RosweeSon]

I reckon it'll clear that being as at time Sony were saying it was a techie piece of kit and the launch models were with all the extra gubbins but microsoft are gonna charge through the roof they are going down iPhone route of prices. Rip Off. Elite controllers £130 Kinect £150?... not that I'd pay anywhere near that but they were claiming it worth that hence why drives bundle price up. Scorpio is gonna be one expensive bit of kit if they do what they are aiming for Tech'd out... thing is 4K is still only a minority. They just wanna worry about a serious shed load of games not 3 different systems (Xbox one, S and Scorpio) all with the same lack of games. Bought an Xbox recently and can't see it keep me busy for too long now I've finished gears 4 campaign, sunset overdrive and Quantum break started, Halo collection and rare replay to go, gonna grab Forza Horizon 3 as hearing good things and crackdown 3 should be alright but for a hardcore gamer who doesn't wanna invite weeks/months years into Fifa battlefield, COD, sure I'll dabble but I'm not playing them on repeat for hours on end. Barely even touch online modes just ain't got the time to sink. Too many other great games out and majority are available elsewhere Xbox need some proper badass exclusives. Halo wars 2 isn't for me neither would a forza 7? Or whatever they on now or halo 6.

[franwex]

There will probably be different skus. Probably a $400 version, and a $500 version with a bigger HDD.

[RosweeSon]

Going on their current pricing no model is gonna come in at $400. Unless you expect them to drop the price on the S within a year of launch significantly as well I'm not talking £10-20 they'd have to chop a good £50-100 off S Scorpio gonna be 💰💰💰

Reply to lastking95 as rang out of bubbles sonic style. 😱
I understand what you guys are saying about tech prices dropping ornthe components used for manufacturing etc however they have to be selling in major numbers for the prices to drop down enough to be selling the console for this $399 that some are dreaming of. Had the Scorpio launched last month or this month then yeah sure a year down the line manufacturing prices would drop. They haven't, Christ they don't even fully know what they are putting in each console yet they've just gone Gah, we're going for the most powerful console 4K Yadda Yadda windows 10 Yawn, so many teraflops? I forgot being as I don't even know what a teraflop is (I play games i don't make em) but they are going to put top end components in Scorpio if they stick to their word making a beast of a console (just with no Games... still) sure they'll be different sizes etc but it's gonna be expensive for at least a year after launch until they either start selling by the bucketload? Or more than likely sell the few million then everyone else just carries on with what they got waits for prices to drop considerably. Microsoft are gonna sell Scorpio at a loss and they not dropping the price of Xbox one s a year after launch to accommodate a Lower price point for Scorpio if your lucky you'll get £50 off Xbox one s sometime next year summertime onwards then Scorpio will be £499+
According to me anyway ;) ✌🏻️🤓🕹
Do all tech prices drop when they've sold millions... looks at Apple? No clearly not old iPhones still go for waaaay above anything else the competition charge for older models just depends how well it's made and what it offers.

[showtimefolks]

i just don't see Scorpio selling like ms and xbox fanboys expect(not saying it won't sell i am sure it will sell millions of consoles but you are always compared to your competition and by the time scorpio comes out ps4 could be leading by 25 to 30 million) It will be competing against a lowered price pro which will be a established console in the market and Nintendo switch

Sony can knock down the price by $50-100 if needed to under cut Scorpio

Unless it's $399 than the market for it will be very small

Price matters people it does look at launch of ps4 and Xbox one. Yes the 8-10% of us core gamers can afford to spend more but the millions of casuals won't care. To them being able to play spider man on pro and being able to play cod dlc early matters more. They don't understand the difference between 4.2 and 6tf

Just look at cod advertisement that has started and using big celebrities. It's the software that sells a brand and this is where I feel like ms has dropped the ball

I know disagree will come but here are facts you can't disagree with

To vast majority price matters
They don't know 4.2 or 6tf difference
Did I mention price matters
Pro will have one open year without competition in the market
Pro will be priced $50-100 less than Scorpio
Casual gamers out number us by tens of millions
Destiny 2/cod on pro next fall limited edition console bundles

[PFFT]

It will be fine.

[superchiller]

No, it won't.

[PFFT]

lol okay ill say it wont just to appease your fanboyism.

[lastking95]

Scorpio nor the pro was ment for that group. Og ps4 and XO is for casuals. These arent next gen consoles remember they're meant for that hardcore crowd craving resolution, frame and graphics.

[threefootwang]

I'm honestly perfectly fine with Scorpio/Xbox being in second place behind Sony.

I'm even ok with a smaller crowd of online players (Fact is, a lot of casuals and kids already own PS4. The chances of them jumping ship will be slim at this point).

As long as Xbox is second, MS is going to constantly push for new exclusives and more games to even the numbers, which guess what, I'm perfectly OK with that too!

So by all means, enjoy your lead, it's just going to make things better for Xbox anyways.

[ShadowKnight]

New exclusives????🤔 they won't even invest in first party studios. Last time I checked I was playing Gears 4, Forza, and Quantum Break on my PC. They don't have exclusives anymore.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah E3 I thought you know what they onto something here but still nothing gamewise just new hardware? What about the games not all of us just wanna watch Netflix and plug other stuff into the Xbox with HDMI In? Like my PS4? I'll just not plug the Xbox one in and cut out the middle console and save my electicity bill.
Custom controllers were mentioned as well nearly 6 months ago.

[masterfox]

lol it definitely will be above that, 100 % guaranteed! , also MS already stated they will selling that thing as a premium device! and that doesn't sound cheap at all!

[Mrveryodd]

Wrong

[superchiller]

Rashid Sayed and Gamingbolt are a cancer in the gaming community, the sooner the cancer is removed, the better.

[Dannylew]

The MSRP is @ 729

[lastking95]

Where did you pull that number from?

[sk8ofmnd]

You can bet the day scorpio price their system at 399 is the day the playstation pro will get a pricecut to 299.

[spoonard]

Good thing MS has already announced the pricing would be inline with current consoles. Way to go, Patcher.

[senorfartcushion]

Power always wins. If the price seperates them from the concept of an Xbox 1.5, it can be as much as it wants to be.

This is the Xbox One successor, not a "premium" version of a console i.e. a waste of money.

[Ashlen]

"Power always wins"

I don't know why people always say this. It only shows a lack of knowledge about console gaming history.

I mean only a basic knowledge of Sega should be enough to tell you this is false.

Master System was more powerful than NES Genesis was more powerfull than NES SegaCD and 32X were more powerful than SNES Dreamcast was more powerful than N64 3DO was more powerful than PS1 XBOX was more powerful than PS2 ect.

Games sell consoles. If you look at that list all the consoles with more/better games sold more consoles.

[senorfartcushion]

You bring up gaming history from long ago for something that i call a contemporary problem.

Ps3, ps4

[Ashlen]

Well then that's not "always" is it?

I mean you changed your tune to be literally the only two generations I didn't include.

And PS3 retook the lead at the end of the generation. Why? Because Sony kept investing in games right up until the end of the generation AKA they had more/better games.

And this generation Sony has more/better games.

So it's always been the company that has more/better games that wins.

People buy gaming consoles to play games. The more games and the bigger variety the more people will buy it. If you want to catch more fish use a bigger net.

[kingfortoday]

Comment sections always entertain. I've said it before and I'll remind those who forget. Ps2 was weaker and dominated. Ps4 og more powerful and dominated. If anything it shows with or without power, Sony knows how to game

[DarXyde]

$499 USD is my guess. Any more and they are running some serious risk.

Then again, we were told a year in advance and Microsoft is marketing the device as a premium product. This is one thing that's quite disturbing about this generation. There's so much uncertainty with these revisions. We can't even guarantee their quality as far as overheating or of the pricing will be appropriate. I'm sure it will though: Microsoft seems dead set on competing.

[Spenok]

Which it WILL be more than $400, guaranteed.

[jerethdagryphon]

It will be about what ps3 launched at and will make people angry at its price

[medman]

There goes Pachter, sniffing that glue again. Native 4k, if they indeed hit their target, is not going to come cheap old man.

[Rock31]

Pachter is the same ass who said that Scorpio would kill the Xbox s, people stop listening too this idiot

[Melankolis]

Is it possible to sell Scorpio at loss, say, US$399 with mandatory Xbox Live subcription for a year or two (with always online policy or close to that maybe)?
I don't play online with PSN nor Xbox Live so i don't know about that, so tell me what do you think?

[leeeroythe3rd]

I agree to some degree. Console price points have shown that entering market beyond the 400 mark is slow traction point. The cost to produce should be less than that price for ms. Ms should want this to be an extender to the brand life and not a niche. I expect ps4 pro to become defacto base unit next year for consumer... scorpio should fit same mold

[svoulis]

im excited to see what MS does with Scorpio just as I am excited to see what the Pro does for PS4. If you are a gamer this is just what we need.. Variety. I like options and the fact that you can play any ps4 games on both the Pro and non-pro models is awesome. I am sure the same will go for Xbox One and Scorpio (or so I hope). I don't think the console would be $399. I assume it will be between 400-549.99. The tech inside is far too powerful to assume it to be any less without a loss. Who knows. I just like where this generation is going :D. Makes having a 4K tv seem worth it.

[Brugal]

Calling it now. Scorpio will
Be $499 and Sony will drop the Pro price to $350 when it releases.

[Ceaser9857361]

It will be more than 399 USD.. i am expecting 499. It would be a great price anything more than that will be tough luck since all XBOX games are on Win 10 now so gamers has options now where they choose to play the xbox games...

[Saijahn]

Scorpio will be a top notch console from everything we know, i'm fully expecting it to be 5-600. Exactly why i'm saving now.

[Mulando]

premium price for a premium console.
sony did just an interation where the costs were the same as on ps4 release. so they could charge the same price. therefore the is no UHD drive in there. MS just want's a premium console for the market. and when I look at the surface department, they can do this.
But I really hope the price is not to high. I'm expecting 499. And I really hope it is as quite as the xbox one (or maybe the cooling solution is even better)

[kungfuian]

With the power of sophisticated computer chips, red bull, and 'cross play' technology (Microsoft releasing all their games on PC is fucking fantastic I tell ya), many pc gamers like myself have been enjoying Scorpion quality pixels for some time now. I can tell you first hand, regardless if it's $400-$500 (a steal compared to what i paid), those fully uncompressed pixels are glorious and will be worth every penny.

[chase1ne]

I don't see the system failing if it has a $499 price tag. There will be a lot of people picking one up from the get go due to the hype surrounding the system and many of those gamers will sell or trade in their system to offset to price tag. People spend more than that each year to have the latest phone, so $499 won't price people out of buying one.

The question of how will sales perform against the PS4P is a different one. If it launches at that price tag and Sony were to do a price drop for the Pro to $349, it might be a harder sell to the casual consumer. And even to the casual consumer, will they care enough or have a display capable of taking advantage of these systems? Or will they be fine with a PS4 Slim or XboxOne S.

[corroios]

Lol, 399 the Scorpio? Microsoft would be losing millions, There is no way that a new chipset, CpU and powerfull GPU 12 GDDR it could have the same price of the PRO.... I think they will go with 499, even that price means they will lose so much money, because the real price will be something like 599+

[AsheXII]

This is a console made for a niche audience of core gamers, like any premium product. Seems like gamers have a hard time grasping that concept, its not a mass market product. Thats what the S is for.

[TheHunter81]

I'd be surprised if it were 400. I say at minimum it will be 500.

[Razuel]

July 2016, amd released a 3k gpu @ $200 range, the idea that they will not hit 4k a year later when the scorpio and like hardware releases is silly.

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

I think we'll definitely see an entry price point at $399, but I'd expect a $499 version with a larger HDD as well. The entire reason for the wait for Scorpio is the more powerful, yet cheaper in price parts that are releasing early next year. Very exciting about this, already switching over to 4K.

[Docknoss]

$399 For the world's strongest console? I think not!

[cyber_daemonx]

Scorpio is gonna have some stiff competition, especially if its too expensive. The Pro will have roughly a year head start and the Switch will be out. $399 would seem to be the sweet spot tbh.

[Tross]

Microsoft's Xbox division might commit suicide. MS as a company would be fine as they're far bigger than just Xbox and certainly aren't anywhere close to being just one failed product away from bankruptcy.

[PingasoFromHell]

Hopefully they will have the option for better visuals for a 1080p HDTV, higher textures, better lighting etc

[RosweeSon]

Scorpio may sell them another 5 hell maybe even 10 million when you factor in fans who will be buying there 3rd model in 3 years, worse than a mobile phone every year haha and people who actually own a 4K telly will also buy But for the majority of us?
They just need to get Rare to actually make some games that people want or a great Perfect Dark Sequel. Zero was pretty cool but not a patch on N64 classic. Blast corps 2? Ok maybe just me but game is awesome. Goldeneye is never gonna happen, bummer. Banjo Kazooie 3 really should be tho.