Nintendo: Switch is a home gaming system ‘first and foremost’

Wii U is going to be hard to find.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Okay, for those of you who are still in denial, still insisting it was just a handheld that outs to TV's, still unwilling to accept the truth, there it is.
Straight from a Nintendo representative.
It is a home console first and foremost.
If the core-gamer-focused home console games shown during the reveal didn't prove as much, this does.
And if this still doesn't prove it to you, there's nothing that can show you the truth.

Having said that, moving on...
With Nintendo only shipping a mere 800k more Wii U's for this fiscal year, it makes me wonder if people really will start trying to buy them up before they become too scarce, to resell later.

My gut tells me no, but stranger things have happened.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Are you serious? You wrote an article before its announcement saying literally that it wasn't going to be a handheld , exactly what do you call the device that people are walking around with freely? That's not a handheld now?

Wow folks, this is a new level of delusion like I've never seen before.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You've got no right to talk about delusions when the company themselves have stated this is a home console three separate times, and yet you're still harping on as if your opinion is the reality, when it's not.
No, it's NOT mainly a handheld.
Read the article, "buddy"; the go-anywhere aspect is just the hook.
Its main purpose is playing home console games; the fact that you can take the home console with you doesn't change the fact that, in form and power, it's meant as a home console first and foremost.
If that were not so, then the 3DS would have been replaced with Switch instead of the Wii U.

By your lame-ass definition of portable, the Wii U was a portable console because I could plug it into a spare battery pack lugged around in a backpack while playing on the screen of the gamepad.

That's not how defining home or handheld works.
Creator intent matters more than your poorly-supported opinion, not to mention the kinds of games it plays and the fact that it supports more than its standard face buttons as a controller to be used with the system.

It's a home console.
GET OVER IT. LOL.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@wonder- but Nintendo does not decide what is a portable or what is not the definition is simply that it could be used on the go, that is what this actually is so I'm not sure what you're still trying to argue about.

When you say something like, "it's NOT mainly a handheld" you're trying to not make it sound as if handheld is to a degree of and it's actually not. handheld or the term portable is an absolute, it is exact it's simply just means it can be taken on the go and used and that is what you can do with this device by default it is a portable, it could not be a portable to a degree of.

Is the PSP 2000 and 3000 Series now a console simply because you can out it to a TV?

Is my phone a console too I could out that to my television?

Do you not understand that the function of being able to add another display doesn't somehow make it not portable any longer?

It actually has to be a portable 100% first. I literally told you before it was even announced that Nintendo was never going to Market it as a handheld , they were going to call it a hybrid or marketed as both because you can not really Market something like this as lesser or something that's simply a handheld that you could play on the TV but in layman's terms that is what this actually is.

what is different from this than the Nvidia Shield or the PSP 3000 Series?

All handhelds that out to TVs.

[Imalwaysright]

It's not a handheld and it's not a home console. It's a hybrid console and they're telling us that they will focus more on the home console aspect of the Switch.

[Erik7357]

Its a hanheld and a console?

[_-EDMIX-_]

Why would you let a representative Define what the actual device is despite knowing what those terms mean? That's almost like a person showing you a television that 60 inches but telling you that it's not a television it's a phone, so because he's telling you that it's this , all your own common sense is thrown out the window? This is exactly like what I said before, it tells me that you were essentially believe anything they say Hook Line & Sinker even though literally the device is a handheld, it's literally portable the cartridges are simply because it has to be cartridge-based because it is a portable foremost , the CPU and heatsink all of those things need to be created to be a portable first because it goes on the go, so are you now telling me that the device is not portable?

Is the PSP 2000 and 3000 Portables or not? Or do you need Sony to tell you what they are now? Lol

So this is a very simple yes-or-no can you use this device on the go as a portable handheld?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

It is not a "very simple yes or no" unless you're a guileless simpleton that loves loaded questions.
Again, by your lame-ass definition of portable, the Wii U was technically a portable console because I could plug it into a spare battery pack lugged around in a backpack while playing on the screen of the gamepad.

Having a screen that you can hook the controller up to for short bursts of play outside does not mean that that's where it was intended to be played the most, and the current lineup of games shown thus far are not handheld games.
They are all home console games.

These things on top of three separate confirmations are enough for anyone with half a brain to figure out that it's a home console first and foremost.
Just because it has the OPTION of being portable, does not make that the system's definition.
The types games, the system it replaced, and the creator intent/confirmations of what the main point of the console is, decide that.
Not your deluded little opinion, lol.
You lost this argument a long time ago.
Step down.

[FunAndGun]

@wonderful

It is called the Switch. like switch back and forth from home and mobile. They named the damn thing with portable gaming in mind.

Plus, if this is a home gaming system first and foremost, it looks underpowered.

[_-EDMIX-_]

It's an extremely simple yes-or-no can you use this device on the go as a portable handheld?

My definition of a portable is everybody else is, (but suddenly yours) it is able to go on the go. I mean the entire marketing point of this device is that it's able to go on the go and you're now trying to refute that to win something lol

What you intend to do with it is actually irrelevant to what the device actually is I could plug my phone into a TV and use it as a media player it does not mean it's suddenly no longer portable and no longer a phone it merely means I'm deciding to use it in a manner that I feel just, that doesn't take away from its portability.

Can you take this on the go or nah?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

"Can you take this on the go or nah?"
Repeating a loaded question doesn't make you right.
"My definition of a portable is everybody else is, (but suddenly yours) it is able to go on the go"
Then by your flawed definition, the Wii U is a portable so long as you've got a battery in a backpack to plug it into, and a gamepad to play on the go with, because you're literally making the guts of the system go around with you.

Here's a more sensible bunch of questions;
Did Nintendo say it was a home console first and foremost?
Did its reveal emphasise couch play first, and moving it between docks, alongside the few moments of playing without the docks?
Were any of the games shown of the type that a typical home console gamer would immediately and casually think of as a handheld title?

Since you're still living in la-la land and covering your eyes and ears to facts, let me help you answer those;
YES.
YES.
NO.

Again, you have no ground to stand on here.
The Switch is not mainly a handheld, in intent, games, or even in marketing.
It's a hybrid that is quite blatantly home console focused first and foremost, and uses its hybrid functions as a differentiator from the competition. Nothing more or less.
If it were mainly a handheld, there would be no need for the dock, and the Wii U would not have ended early instead of the 3DS.

Take a seat and stop prattling.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@wonder- I find it hilarious that a simple yes or no question to you is this complex thing now lol

The fact that you won't even answer the question speaks absolute great volumes because you're caught between a rock and a hard place by saying yes you're merely just confirming what we all know that the device clearly has to be a portable the name is switch for a reason.

To say no it's not a portable begs the question exactly what were they doing in the park? It shows a person playing the device clearly away from an outlet clearly not on a TV but by itself is that not the pure definition of a portable? You're basically trying to win something by desperately trying to now redefine what the term means to fit a narrative but the pure term of portable simply just means it could go with you anywhere and I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to say that that's not what this is despite a video showing a human being playing the device in a setting that it could not clearly be attached to a TV and has no actual power source other than a battery which clearly defines what a portable is.

I knew you were not quite there and I knew there was something wrong with you , but this is easily one of the craziest things I think you've ever tried to dispute simply because you were wrong on a dumb post you made a couple days ago, somebody even told you in that post you probably shouldn't be saying this in case you're wrong and I think you seriously should have prepared yourself for the reality of what this was going to be.

Regardless of all the terminology you're trying to use regardless of all the semantics you're trying to play out at the end of the day the actual Hardware itself is something that you could go with you anywhere and you could use anywhere without a television, by its pure definition that is a portable and I don't see any reason to keep trying to spin that or turn it into something completely different because it just sounds insane.

It's not as if I begin to take this stance once this was announced buddy I took this stance well over a year ago when I was first theorizing that this was exactly what they were going to do.

You could do whatever you want to do a phone, that does not suddenly make it something else it simply means you're using it for another purpose. I have an old phone I use as an MP3 player, my sister uses one of her older phones as a timer to wake up, that does not take away from the portability or the actual definition of what the device is simply because somebody's using it for a different reason.

that's almost like saying if I decided to use the Wii to watch Netflix and somebody told me "oh you have a game system" do you think my next words out of my mouth is "no it's not a game system it's a media player?" Lol

You're going to say anything to fit your narrative and just like you said in a post a couple days ago it has to do with "stress" and you wanting some sort of emotional Victory, I'm sorry but you should have never said that it shows you have a very deep lack of integrity and you're not a man of your word you're simply going to say anything to win regardless of how insane it sounds and that's not necessarily something that's going to hold over well in regards to even having any belief in anything you post.

By the way I'm also not going to use any profanity or try to name call you I'll leave all that immaturity to you.

[Erik7357]

Difference between Switch and a psp is that a switch has a console style controller that you can use then take apart and connect to the NX when you want it to be a portable. Its cool that you can make Switch play like a console, you couldn't do that with a psp or ds in such a streamlined efficent way. You also have arguably console level graphics on the Switch too. So its safe to say its a console because thats probably how your gonna play it majority of the time but when you go on a roadtrip or your in the airport itll be a handheld for that time being...

Seriously people getting mad at this for no reason in this comment section. Its a dope system and way cooler than the shitty VR gimick sony is trying to sell. This actually looks useful feature that ps4/xbox one should have.

[-Foxtrot]

The damage control you are doing monkey is getting ridiculous now.

[JayPi3]

I think it's too early to say whether Nintendo will release another handheld or not. Should they choose to do so it will probably compliment the switch, but I think they will see how the switch does before releasing a new handheld as a backup plan that will be as robust and successful as the 3ds and its many iterations are.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I think the only thing they should do is just release a smaller Slimmer version of it for those who are accustomed to the smaller design but it must still have all the same functionality and support the same library because I do not believe there's a reason for them to ever release another handheld, it's literally purposeless , you have to consider that you're just talking about a device that plays games on the go , that is what a handheld actually is so what would be the point of fragmenting the market and creating another device that does the same thing?

Consider what would be the point of having another handheld that lacks the function of outing to the TV once you've already done it?

[joab777]

No. It isn't. It's a mobile gamers dream to be able to take their favorite console games on the go, or to play their favorite mobile games in a TV. But it is NOT first and foremost a home console. Look at the trailer. The focus is on mobile. They just have to hedge their bets.

I think what will make this VERY successful is if cheap apps also come to it, such as Pokémon Go etc.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees that the actual device itself is a portable, it's not as if somebody could plug a controller in the base and play a game without actually having that handheld inside of the base unit.

The device itself has to be a portable that could play on the TV so by default it is a portable.

That's it.

[joeorc]

@-EDMIX-_43m ago
[I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees that the actual device itself is a portable, it's not as if somebody could plug a controller in the base and play a game without actually having that handheld inside of the base unit.

The device itself has to be a portable that could play on the TV so by default it is a portable.

That's it.]

What I think Wonder is taking out of context is "Home" console. If you notice that does not say Living room only it just means Home like anywhere in your home!

It's a mobile 1st system because what does it matter where you are at in your home if this system can work anywhere in your home, in any room of the house.

It's a mobile 1st systen for your Home and anywhere. Living room consoles are living room or recreation or bed room etc. only really or tethered to one room with time needed to move the system to be quite a bit more than just disconnected from a docking bay..lol

When Nintendo States "Home" console they really are meaning it as the entire house , in any room anywhere anytime..you are not going to be limited anywhere in your home to play this system even on the Go. That also means quick pick up an go unlike other living room game consoles like the Xbox one & xbox360 or PS4 & PS3 for instance

Exactly what you stated it is indeed correct.

It's a mobile Go anywhere system in your house and not just for your House but anywhere on the go!

[Kreisen]

Mobile gamers dream? Yeah im sure all those people playing Pokemon Go just cant fucking wait to get home and play it on the big screen........oh wait.

[eldingo]

until the specs and confirmed game list come out for this its hard for me to see it as anything other than the wii u evolution i hoped it wouldn't be least the controllers look relatively normal if also small.feels like this thing is trying to be too many things at once and is risking pleasing nobody enough due to its muddled intended purpose.

nintendo can tout all the stuff this thing can do as much as they want but if they don't have at least a solid 3rd party support backing them this time this things dead in the water just like the wii u.

[joeorc]

@eldingo

[feels like this thing is trying to be too many things at once and is risking pleasing nobody enough due to its muddled intended purpose. ]

While I can see your post points good post by the way👏, I do not think it's a muddled intended purpose system.. It's really at this point where more consumers are now getting used to the idea of mobile devices hooked up to the HD TV's as a standard functionality now being added to your mobile device.

Take iOS and Android OS mobile devices be that they synq or link in one way shape or form to big screen TV's now be that by the device it's self or cast it's content to the smart device via Bluetooth or by cable.

Nintendo is just the same alignment that is already going on with keeping that functionality a standard feature included in the switch's system.

I think in the over all market Nintendo is on the right track with this new system design..now be that if it's a success or not will take time to see how it lays out ,but I think for myself I'm fairly optimistic based on choosing Tegra chipset and what the Tegra chipsets can do with a Nividia shield tablet is capable of.

[eldingo]

my main problem is that while they claim its a dedicated home console the majority of it's reveal video was showing off the things you could do with it on the go which has me questioning the validity of their claim that it is a home console.

my question is why is it mobile they already have a dedicated handheld device the 3ds something i own an XL version of so why even make it a mobile type device in the first place in order to do such a thing your going to have to compromise on the overall horsepower of your console along with keeping it lightweight and mobile and the controllers for anything but playing on the couch look like a hassle to me and even then im not sure how well i can even hold it they look small.

To me this smacks of them innovating for no discernible reason that i can glean i always ask why when i look at something i don't understand the reasoning behind something and right now this is all i can ask how does it being mobile benefit it in any significant capactiy when they already have a dedicated handheld along with nintendo clearly not trying to compete with the phone market for games since they have a seperate division dedicated to making phone games.

all my concerns about the hardware of their console aside the biggest thing they need for this to work (aside from a good price) is 3rd party support it has to consistently have more games for people to play on it over the course of its life cycle otherwise just like the wii u this thing is dead in the water.

[Elronza]

The Nintendo Switch is using an Nvidia Tegra Processor, and all Tegra Processors from the Tegra 4 on-wards are capable of native 4k gaming at 30fps-60fps and features HDR! The Tegra Processors are using Nvidia Kepler, and Maxwell architecture the same as Desktop and Laptop Pc's. The Tegra 4 can support an onboard.
Display
LCD 3200 x 2000 1920 x 1200
HDMI 4K (UltraHD) 1080P. I've posted below a link below of an almost 4 year old Nvidia Shield Portable which has a Tegra 4 Processor and a 720p display proving it can play games in 4k. Unlike your outdated low level PC Consoles the Ps4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio. Mobile and PC/Laptops come out with new technology all the time. So yes the Nintendo Switch is more powerful than the Ps4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio as it won't have to upscale! Links provided below as proof!

https://shield.nvidia.com/s...

https://blogs.nvidia.com/bl...

http://www.nvidia.com/objec...

http://www.nvidia.com/objec...

http://www.nvidia.com/objec...

[joeorc]

@Elronza23m ago
[The Nintendo Switch is using an Nvidia Tegra Processor, and all Tegra Processors from the Tegra 4 on-wards are capable of native 4k gaming at 30fps-60fps! So yes the Nintendo Switch is more powerful than the Ps4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio as it won't have to upscale! Links provided below as proof! ]

Hold on there, it's more powerful at a watt/ performance indexing at lower watt for what kind of performance you could get for each watt at lower power requirements. In Raw computing performance.

That would be a No! What your doing is looking at how the mobile system performs compute tasks based on mobile SOC compute tasks..there is a big difference in computing tasks between how both compute their code.

While it's indeed very powerful and very power efficient, mobile Arm Soc' and x86 are not a 1:1 comparison in how each system design will compute or how it's performance index will work vs each system movement of data through each systems board on each systems connection to in out of their respective I/O, how instructions are sent to system RAM..how each systems GPU's or CPU's can or may in effect will perform given code through instructions to in and out of systems RAM .

While it's very powerful, it's just not the same..

To put this into perspective:
http://core0.staticworld.ne...

If you notice that's with the x1 16FP pretty much 1.1 TF that's with every thing that Mobile Systems GPU could Do..

Now take a heed of the PS4Pro's GPU

“We doubled the GPU size by essentially placing it next to a mirrored image of itself, rather like the wings of a butterfly,” he said. “That gives us an extremely clean way to support the 700 existing titles, because we can turn off half the GPU and just run something that's very close to the original GPU.”

With the PS4 Pro, said Cerny, “it's possible to perform two 16-bit operations at the same time, instead of one 32-bit operation. In other words, with full floats, PS4 Pro has 4.2 teraflops of computational power. With half floats, it now has double that -- which is to say, 8.4 teraflops of computational power. As I'm sure you understand, this has the potential to radically increase the performance of games.”

That's essentially take that Tegra x1 graph of 16FP and the PS4 does that in two Pairs of 16 FP upto 4.2 TF per each Pair..! That's just the PS4Pro's GPU alone!

Where it pretty much takes every bit of computing GPU power in the Tegra's X1 mobiles Onboard GPU to reach that 1.2 TF of power @ 16FP if it tried to do the 32 or 64 it would be in the Gflops of FP. Not even in TF..but still for a mobile chipsets it's absolutely astounding the performance that we have access to today.

Now what many I think fail to ignore that 1 TF that is if the switch is using the Tegra x1 that is would be in a mobile generating over 1TF of computing performance with its GPU ..for a mobile device that's pretty awesome..think about that say 15 years ago on even desk top GPU's performance and we now have mobile devices sporting that level of computing power!

That is far from being a weak system for gaming.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Cool :)

[Bytor]

It's more like a personnel system you can hook up to a tv it's useless as a home system if you have more than one person living there.Even though I'm buying one they aren't targeting their core audience and I have a feeling it's not going to sell to well.

[DivineAssault]

Wow, theres some big time haters in here.. This will be placed right next to the PS4 Pro

[conanlifts]

Actually no....nintendo are actually classifying it as "something new".
Also it doesn't matter if nintendo say it is a home console or not. What matters is how it is viewed by customers. If it is treated by the majority of customers as a portable device then it will end up being more of a portable device.

[FinalomegaS]

3 minute trailer....

internet is dissecting that bish like it's nobodies business lol

until some people get their hands on one and can open it up to see what's under the hood... will be a custom with a guess-estimate.

If nintendo calls it a home console then...it's a home console... no internet poster can say other wise unless they want to go and make their own system.

there are more questions for sure but i'm sure we'll get more answers eventually.

if the screen unit can only be charged on the dock... and we can't plug in a usb type wall charge... that would be interesting... must always run back to the dock to charge.

the Joy-cons.. are they using batteries or rechargeable when they dock with the main controller thing...

anyways the thing looks sleek.