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What Next If The Nintendo NX Fails To Be A Success?

ScreenGurus Shaun explores what the prospects for Nintendo NX are and what Nintendo's Plan B could be should it all fail to stick the landing.

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ziggurcat3174d ago

we need to know what the heck this thing is first.

ninjazfistz3173d ago (Edited 3173d ago )

I think all of the major 3 console makers have backup plans or last legs to stay in the console space. To stay on topic though, this could be a test for Nintendo if graphics really matter when they have the backing of all the major 3rd party studios yet less horsepower than the other 2 three-year-old home consoles.

If this fails, they could be forced to finally give its fans what they desire: a comparatively powered system, or mobile and PC games (PC games are much more likely because they could make their own store and not pay anyone a cut. With handhelds, they are very much in the thick and could still release handheld hardware or pay Google, Apple or Microsoft)

Kaneki-Ken3173d ago

Nintendo games on PC in your dreams since there no huge market for them there. If their Console fail, they would rather go third-party and make a huge amount of money either with PlayStation/Xbox or go completely Mobile which there is huge market for them and can make more than millions of dollars like Pokemon Go.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

@kan- "Nintendo games on PC in your dreams"

Funny...remember when we said that about mobile? Yet here we are.

Also with 190 million lost consumers in 1 generation, its clear they lost LOTS of ground, sorry but they won't just go out of business like idiots because "some" like to buy a system for their games. Where are those 190 million that DIDN'T RETURN this gen?

" there no huge market for them there" How do you know where those 190 million left to? Sorry but PC gamers are still GAMERS! I would buy Animal Crossing DAY 1 on PC NO issue, you don't speak for all gamers. Gamers play games based on fun, not based on publisher, you know not of how their games can do on PC.

Minecraft.

but hey, " there no huge market for them there " because you know what 200 million gamers will buy or not?

" If their Console fail, they would rather go third-party" That would also include PC buddy....I mean, why would they miss out on an open source platform with a high install base when they can enter at a low entry level in terms of specs? Their games are not that demanding. Your fooling yourself if you seriously think they won't make titles on PC, yet are fine with mobile and even you saying PS XB etc.

So yes, make ALLLLL that money, but don't make more on PC.....that just isn't likely.

There is not such thing as "enough" with businesses bud, their goal is to make as much money, not a set amount, so this concept like they would do xy but not z, makes zero sense.

MasterCornholio3173d ago (Edited 3173d ago )

The wait for the reveal is ridiculous.

@Ziggur

Yeah they did. Kind of like how Andrew acknowledges the existence of the NEO (PS4 Pro).

ziggurcat3173d ago

Have I lost my mind or did they announce the thing (or at least acknowledge that it exists) 2 years ago?

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

handheld that outs to a tv.

EddieNX 3174d ago

As much as I absolutely want it to succeed, if they decided to start making games for other platforms i'd still buy them. I think the NX has a good chance to fo just fine.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

Agreed. I'd buy their titles anywhere, gamers play games for fun, not based on platform. Animal Crossing on PC or PS or XB etc would still be a day 1 for me.

I also agree that I think NX will do fine if its indeed a handheld that outs to a tv. I think they can get the best of both worlds while saving lots of money.

EddieNX 3170d ago

Definitely, Splitting their resources between 2 platform isn't viable anymore. The two sectors should naturally merge together.

Red_Renegade3174d ago

it will only be their own fault.

PhoenixUp3174d ago

I still don't see why people are so excited about a supposed hybrid console. If you are thinking about a handheld that plays console quality games on the go while also having the ability to also be played on a big screen television with some enhancements, then PSP and Vita already did that idea years ago.

That idea would at the end of the day be considered a handheld and not a legitimate console. I really don't see it feasible for developers to make two separate versions of a game on the same platform. So realistically the thought of a hybrid console doesn't sound plausible.

MrSec843173d ago

Reggie has already called the system a home console, so it's not going to be what Eurogamer call it, that would be a portable or handheld system, I don't think Reg is the only one to call the system a console either.
Ubisoft have also said that NX brings Nintendo back into the race, they were never out of the handheld race, but they were out of the console race with the Wii U selling so much less than the competition.
No NX is going to be a home console at it's core, maybe it'll have a smaller device that you can take on the go with you, to play a scaled down version of the full console experience or something that the console can stream gameplay to like Vita does with PS4/PS3, but all built into the same package, but it won't be the tablet, with detachable controllers and a dock for the TV.

As far as the hybrid idea, making games work on more than one device is no different than making PC games that scale across different levels of performance and that works fine when it's handled right.
Nintendo would have things even easier because they'd only have to support a few devices, instead of dozens and dozens of different specs and processing architecture.

Iwata wouldn't have mentioned integrating Wii U's Architecture into the device if it wasn't meant to be a console either, that's why the whole NVidia idea makes no sense, Nintendo has nothing but love for AMD and AMD are also the main vendor for processing technology within the console hardware market.
Nvidia haven't even shown any interest in making SOCs for the dedicated gaming market, if they were involved then the company would have told investors that they had new business within that market sector.

Kokyu3173d ago

Yeah ignore all the pattens that have been found, they are meaningless. Typical Nintendo fanboy

MrSec843173d ago

@Kokyu: I'm a Playstation fanboy, haven't been a Nintendo one for years.
Pattens? LMFAO I think you mean Patents and there are umpteen things that companies patent which don't get used any products made by those companies, patents are just there to protect in party tries to use that idea and profit off of it.

Reggie has outright stated NX is a home console, for Nintendo to make a portable that can't fit in anyone's pocket when they travel or only pack tech that's marginally better than Wii U is the stupidest thing any company could do.

A fanboy would think Eurogamer's rumors are cool because Nintendo are making a system with those features.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

"Reggie has already called the system a home console" LMFAO! I see you don't get they are merely marketing it as that to gain sales.

They are not going to come out and say "its a handheld, but you can plug it in the TV too"

I mean....we all know that is likely what it is, but that just isn't marketable. They will say something like "its a hybrid, its both" .

They are still a company folks. We get that we all know its just PSP 2000 and 3000 series, but no company is legit just going to come out and say its only a handheld that can out to a tv, they won't market LESSOR, they will market BOTH! By default we know its a portable. Portable is merely the ability to have on the go, as by default that is what we are hearing NX to actually be.

PSP is not a console, PS Vita is not a console, my Galaxy Phone is not a console and any iphone are not consoles....yet they can out to tvs.

Lets at least face that its very, very likely its a handheld with some ability to out to a tv as suppose to now magically moving goal post. I don't recall Sony or anyone calling PSP a "console"

smashman983173d ago

Don't ignore the comments from Pokemon company president stating Nintendo is changing what it means to be a handheld or a console. Mind you the most recent official description of the system despite being vague

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higgins783173d ago

Did somebody say the words "PSP and "Vita"?

*smells cow pats*

BenRage33173d ago

I don't understand two things you just said.
A) I own a Vita and used to own a psp and neither can just plug into the TV and play games.
B) Two separate versions of games? I don't think that is the intent. I think the idea is to buy a single game and have the option to play it as a handheld or on the TV via some type of dongle.

Forgive me for maybe being dense, but could you clarify your thinking?

ABizzel13173d ago

The PSP could, some versions of it had HDMI-out.

I have no clue why they removed it from the rest and Vita.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

"A) I own a Vita and used to own a psp and neither can just plug into the TV and play games."

You own every model of the PSP? PSP has several models that can out to the TV.

PS Vita actually can out to the TV but its only for developers and I believe some folks have hacked it or I might be thinking of the PSP, but yes......you can out them to the TV bud.

Kokyu3173d ago

Yep the innovations Nintendo has been credited with are actually hust rehashed ideas, some from Atari back in the 70's and Sega in the 80's, motion control was tried in the 80's with powergove, the tablet controller or second screen was tried by Sega with the Dreamcast in 99. Now they try the same idea vita and PsP did and do and people are all "oh wow what a great idea Im excited". I just want them to make stronger hardware so they can get more third party support.

deafdani3172d ago

While I agree with some of your post - Nintendo aren't always the first to market with some of their hardware implementations, like the examples you mentioned - I also think you're discrediting them way too much here.

Because even if they aren't the first to market with certain things, they are usually the ones that compromise fully with said hardware ideas by making them native to their consoles, or making them work functionally.

- The Atari joystick was a great control for most of Atari's games, no denying that. But it was Nintendo who first came to implement it properly to use in 3D games, with the N64.

- Motion control with the Powerglove (or the SEGA Activator, to name another example) just plain sucked. They were horrible. And yes, Sony experimented with their own motion controls with a precursor of the Move controller, and even with the PS2's EyeToy... but it was Nintendo who ran away with the idea by making it NATIVE to the Wii console and making it work, if implemented correctly (examples: Wario Ware, Wii Sports, ExciteTruck, Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, Rayman Raving Rabbids... not to mention the games that improved with Motion+, like Wii Sports Resort, Red Steel 2 and Skyward Sword. Hell, even the motion-controlled parts of the Mario Galaxy games were a lot of fun).

- The Dreamcast's VMU just can't be compared with the Wii U's gamepad, period. They are as comparable as Nintendo's Virtual Boy and Playstation's VR...

So, I'm willing to bet that, if the NX ends up being a hybrid console as pretty much all the rumors and patents suggest, it will be a far more integrated and cohesive experience than the Vita and PSP examples, which, again, never went beyond the experimentation phase.

pompombrum3173d ago

I'd be excited if Nintendo could nail the hybrid console and honestly think it's their best move, merging their Wii and DS brands and allowing their developers to all focus their efforts on a single platform would make logical sense. However as you questioned, it doesn't sound very plausible.

Manashake3173d ago

Vita and psp looked not so nice on my 40 inch, to be honest .

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

"If you are thinking about a handheld that plays console quality games on the go while also having the ability to also be played on a big screen television with some enhancements, then PSP and Vita already did that idea years ago"

I mean.....yes, but what is Nintendo to do? Say "Oh here is a feature you've already seen from PSP" They are going to market it like a "hybrid" even though we all know what it really is.... they are still a company.

Also the big excitement is due to Nintendo FINALLY just working on 1 device as suppose to 2. Everyone gets the same games, all Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing etc now get to be played by all regardless of handheld fans or console fans.

You are correct and wrong at the same time.

Yes....its not a new features.

No, the excitement is justified because Sony wasn't just putting 100% support behind PSP with all their teams, Nintendo would do better with this feature then Sony because Nintendo is clearly prepared to exit the dedicated console market after the failed Wii U. This isn't a half measure. Its Nintendo saying we are putting 100% games on 1 platform now, no more "3DS gets this" or "Wii U gets this" now ALL get the same games. That will by default give NX the greatest support they've ever given an device.

smashman983173d ago (Edited 3173d ago )

Cmon be honest with yourself. Vita and PSP and out put capabilities but not anything like what's rumored with the nx

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OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3174d ago

Nothing. Nintendo will try again, again and again.

superchiller3173d ago

Nope. If the NX bombs, it will be their last model of gaming hardware produced. They can't afford to keep failing in this market.

rjason123173d ago

Keep dreaming Schiller. It's already been proven that each of their consoles have made them a profit, (other than the beginning of Wii U).

wonderfulmonkeyman3173d ago

Nope.
Everything Nintendo's made, with maybe the exception of the Virtual Boy, has ended in making profit, when software is included.
Even the Wii U, for all the low sales, will be ending up making Nintendo more than they lost by the time they finally stop selling it.
If you think the NX is Nintendo's last chance, you're clueless. PERIOD.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago (Edited 3173d ago )

Agreed.

I think its very likely if NX fails, they will have an exit strategy and go 3rd party. If NX is a handheld that outs to a TV, I actually see them doing pretty well. Going mobile and exiting the dedicated console market is very telling as its saying they just can't afford to solely focus on only console. They must go handheld only and have a feature for console fans like playing on the TV.

Those that keep denying what is so clear.......

Thought they were not going mobile? Yet they are making mobile games and even teaming up with Apple?

If we believe Nintendo is doing well, where are those 190 million that in merely 1 gen left Nintendo?

Sorry folks but 190 million is not joke, its not merely a fluff or bs number, its a MASSIVE amount of lost ground that is clearly negiatvely effecting Nintendo if NX is even rumored to be what it is.

Its suggesting that they can't afford a dedicated console and NX MUST be only a handheld with a feature to out to a tv as they have no plans to ever make a dedicated console.

Exiting the dedicated console market and entering mobile is exactly what many have guessed would happen years ago, yet here we are. Some fanboys won't get it legit until Nintendo is on stage announcing they are now a software only company.

@Wonder- you know how much they spent on marketing, R&D and clearly cancelled games?

Horzion Zero Dawn started development in 2011....before PS4's release. ie companies start games legit, years in advance before a systems release, how much titles do you think Nintendo canceled or moved on to NX based on Wii U's failure?

They thought it was going to move 100 million....soooooo they might have spent money on teams with at belief that they would be covered based on the high install base.

Or do you now just magically think that games are made in mere days based on exact current market conditions? lol

Why do you keep adding up just the hardware? LMFAO! That actually isn't how one determines if something is profitable or not. They spent MORE then just the money for the hardware bud, as to why you believe this is beyond me

gbsrnctaln3173d ago

Except with the NX they have already abandoned the home console market in favor of a handheld that plugs into your tv.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3173d ago

ever heard of Aikun Morphus X300 Gaming Tablet
http://www.aikun.co/index.p...

The Eurogamer NX Rumor is fake.

rjason123173d ago (Edited 3172d ago )

Except that you're treating rumor as fact.

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@Edmix, wouldn't bother me any, because I'll likely still enjoy their games regardless of what the console is, people just need to stop treating rumors as facts, hell I still see people trying to push that fake controller rumor that was confirmed false just so that they can push their anti-Nintendo agenda.

gbsrnctaln3173d ago

Rjason12

I hope to god that these "rumors" arent true, but there is a LOT of smoke pointing in the same direction. And with Nintendo's recent track record, I am inclined to believe them.

_-EDMIX-_3173d ago

lol buddy, they are going to be in tears when this thing is announced. All signs point to it being a handheld that outs to a tv.

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