With both Microsoft and Sony releasing upgraded consoles mid-cycle, the rules have certainly changed.
Microsoft tried to change the rules with Xbone and FAILED hard! Whatever Sony does MS follows like this gen have shown us, and it will continue like this til the day gaming dies.
Got to love N4G, first post is fanBOY drivel. SO much for intelligent conversation. Let's battle who's got the better opinion....smh.
How about changing the rules and posting something intelligent for people to discuss instead of criticizing someone else for being unintelligent. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Replying to a shitpost with another shitpost is like releasing one obsolete game console after another one.
You comment is worse because it adds nothing to the conversation. It is pathetic for you to have such disdain for a site you so frequently visit.
What I find even funnier is you guys giving vegasgamer a hard time, probably agreed with Xavy. Lol...
MS is changing the rules with scorpio? But sonys ps4pro comes before the scorpio no? So wasn't it sony who changed the rules? I'm confused.
Exactly...MS weren't even working on Scorpio until they heard about Sony realeasing PSPro earlier this year. So who changed the rules?!
Sony is not changing anything either. Microsoft has done this before, OG XBOX. Sony is just now getting down with the wave.
Just because something releases first doesn't mean it was thought of or even worked on first.
Yeah it just leaked first, releases first, shown in action first, confirmed first, shown full specs first, will bring native 4k first, and be the first to be hated on by guys like you...also I'm implying to the title....and which is a bs title.
No disrespect intended, but how old are you? Console hardware and software has been playing tit for tat since the NES/Sega days. If you do some reading on the history of console hardware/software you will learn that you are in a looping argument and all major companies in the history of console gaming have been in the leader/follower role at some point.
What puzzles me is, How can anyone that doesn't like a particular platform enter into a room about that platform? If I hated something there is no way I would care to hear anything about it. Now to the article. I really don't think the Scorpio is targeted to users with 4k TV's so to say. I think the PS4Pro as well as the Scorpio will be targeted to gamers like myself who like now change and not later change. I have no problem for mid life consoles to come out that allows for higher FPS or graphics (I prefer 1080p\60FPS)....I have the Pro ordered and I await an order date for the Scorpio.
How i would love to buy an xbox, but i can't hardly find some games i love to play. Mostly fps war and sports...two genres i don't care about. 📈
Sports? Racing, strategy, platformer, Party, fighting, mmo, Zombie survival, Action..... So many different genres
Didn't you just state you game on PC? Why not just play all this on PC?!
I have all current game platforms. I play the game on the platform with my most friends online. Rocket league on PC, Gears on Xbox etc. Most mp games either PC or Xbox.
All genres i don't like, except for platformers. 😉
Well, more power to you.
The rules have changed, and both MS & Sony realized it had to change. Tech advances rapidly, very rapidly... Games consoles are about the only piece of tech that stays stagnant for 5+ yrs. Heck I saw an article the other day with Mark Zuckerberg (of Facebook fame) wearing a prototype Oculous Rift Headset that's completely wireless. The current Rift hasnt even been on the market for 6months and a new VR headset already appears to be in WORKING prototype stages. Thats how fast tech advances. But Sony & MS are on to something very smart. Iteratitive consoles. Iterative like cell phones, but not iterating at a pace phone pace. 4K tvs cost an arm and a leg in 2014 when the PS4 & Xbox One were still pretty new on store shelves, now as we head into 2017, u can get a 4K display (a pretty good one at that) for $800-$1000. Once PS4Pro and Project Scorpio are on store shelves for 3-4yrs or so, I believe they will become the "base model" consoles... Sony and MS will introduce official PS5 and "Next"-Box respectively and all games will continue to just work... Launch PS4 & Xbox Ones will be phased put and the cycle will continue like that if successful
PS5 will be out 2 years after Scorpio already, don't forget that.
@Errorist76 if sony is sticking with a 3yr cycle, i guess this makes sense. PS4 (2013) > 4Pro (2016)> PS5? (2019) edit: but there may be a chance that sony waits on a major technology shift (new cpu, or gpu, or better cooling) that may, convince them to wait an additional year or so.
@Showan They won't let have MS have a faster console for longer than needed. Especially since PS5 will most likely be downward compatible.
@Errorist76 - on every MS thread spreading lies and FUD. You have no idea when PS5 will be released. You also claim that MS hadn't even considered Scorpio until earlier this year, again complete crap. I'm sure you get your jollies from spreading lies but you can only cry wolf so many times buddy. Pathetic.
@Gangsta Red Do you have any of those things for the Scorpio aside from "targeted 6TF" and "Holiday 2017 target release"? Didn't think so..
Well we wouldn't need a mid gen update if ps4 was 500-600$ at start, because some people don't want to spend that much money, then we have DF counting to few pixels and people arguing how this gen is underpowered, and then pc master elitist's saying then buy a f*** pc, but honestly I don't want a pc I want a capable console, and well that's the answer a mid-gen update
This horse is beaten dead. They didn't even need to have a $500 dollar console to get better than what we got. We got two consoles with 2 year old[at launch] laptop gpus and a netbook [not even laptop class] cpu. I bet these consoles were SUPER cheap for MS and Sony. They were thinking about making money off the consoles from the outset. Usually they lose money on consoles at the beginning and make money off of software sales. They went the Nintendo route this time. Nintendo ALWAYS sells their hardware at a profit. I'm not really cross about them building a console they can make money off of from day one(gotta make that money). But they could've built consoles for a profit and not aimed this low. If they actually tried and made decent hardware the first time, we wouldn't be going through this mid-cycle refresh nonsense. When the leaks first came out, I was hoping it was some kind of hoax. There's no way MS and SONY would come with consoles this weak after dragging out last gen for 8 years. Lo and behold, they did. And here we are in this sad state.
"Microsoft says it will come with a 4K Blu-ray drive" . Since when did Microsoft announce that then? . Another article just dreamed up. Getting really bored of the same crap every day! .
Fanboy drivel is right! This article ignores the very obvious fact that Microsoft follows and does whatever Sony does nowadays. PS PRO will be the most powerful console when it is released in a months time and will remain so for a year or more until (and if) Scorpio gets released. There is nothing that Microsoft has that can compete until then. X-Box One S is far less powerful and should not be even compared with the PS PRO which is a genuine mid-generation upgrade. If and when Scorpio is released, Microsoft can shout from the rafters that it has the most powerful console and hopefully shift millions. If and when that happens, one can make the argument that Microsoft has changed the rules. However, I doubt that Microsoft will even catch up with the number of PS PRO sold by then let alone the number of PS4 and PS4 Slim consoles for one reason alone - Sony and the Playstation will always have more games and gamers want to play the games that Sony is bringing out.
What ever helps you sleep at night
@lastking95 I sleep very well at night, unlike the Microsoft supporters who drown us daily with spin about a console that is not even released and is at least a year away. They do not talk of what they have available now because they know they cannot compare on any front - quality of console or number of games.
Lol daily spin? Can you give me 1 example? Could've worn ive seen so many articles about the slim, gears 4, ea access adding more games, bc new games all from yesterday soooo plz inform of wtf you're talking about. (BS thats what) so again, if it help you sleep plz continue no rest can be a killer. #HatersGonnaHate scorpio must really get under your skin lol @Jayszen welcome to the game media first months gaming I see. That's articles not people on here and where was this complaint before? We've gotten click bait, stir the pot style article FOREVER and always will. Don't come on here spewing bs lies about ppl saying things they never said. 1 article =xbox fanbase? It's a problem when it doesn't favor your console of choice huh? So yes, haters gonna hate fits well. I call non facts out when I see it sorry has nothing to do with disagreement. If someone says the color blue is red that's not an opinion, it's bs.
@lastking95 Sorry mate, this is not about hate or self-justification. The fact is that there is not a day that goes by without an article or two or more about Scorpio, that it will do this or do that or that it is a game changer or better than PS Pro, etc. There is nothing to hate about Scorpio because it DOES NOT EXIST at the moment. In fact, if it did, I could understand this daily drip feed of spin. You may not like what I say, you may disagree but you have no right to call what I say BS. If anything, this shows you to be an Xbox fanboy and a Microsoft apologist. What gets under my skin is people like you who have no time for anyone else's opinions and yet expect everyone else to respect yours. Grow up.
I have no quarrels with them breaking Rules or changing them , beside if events like this do not occur everything just tends to remain the same and that can become very mundane . So I say let them forge ahead and change all rules as they go .
On that topic of "Microsoft changing the rules" I think this interview with Phil is interesting: http://www.kotaku.com.au/20... It clearly shows Xbox Division is evolving alongside the Microsoft core services: Xbox Live as service on multiple devices. You choose where you game. The console is the easiest plug&play device that enables you to game. Some refernces of the article: "To be clear, the console market operates at low margins. Quite often those margins don’t exist. More often than not there’s a clear operating loss." “Consoles are an enabler to make money with our partners,” explains Phil." http://www.kotaku.com.au/20... "Phil is talking about PCs, he’s talking about mobile. It speaks to a secondary Microsoft purpose — the idea of fluidity between devices. The idea that the device disappears and the service itself takes priority. Phil believes this is the philosophy that will push consoles through that glass ceiling, towards those stratospheric mainstream numbers. Then we see the domino effect of that shift. The end result: more video games and better video games. “Instead of trying to say is there a way for everyone to need a game console — I don’t think that’s true. It’s a large market and it’s a good market, but we can’t turn consoles into something like a cell phone. “But if we look at the people who are playing games on our service at any point. A lot of them are on consoles, a lot are on windows. More and more are coming from phone. That’s when we start to look at numbers like 200 million, 300 million. Is this a world where the console, as a fetishised product we purchase and worship, is dead? Not exactly, says Phil. “The device becomes the ‘on ramp’ to where I play,” says Phil. “I want there to be multiple on ramps.” Gaming without boundaries. That’s the tagline. That’s the marketing schtick. It’s also the end goal." http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...
The author needs to study business. Microsoft is and has been a reactionary business since they wanted more than just a operating system. Their heavy push in marketing and advertising has them scrambling to try figure out how to capture people to buy their products and become the leader in marketing and advertising outlets. Examples, their phone division was about ten years too late and failed. Their tablet business was about 4 years behind the curve and does not shine in the market. Their zune never found a footing for being behind. So Microsoft started depending on "future" talk of which has put them in the situation they are in. Cloud computing, hololens, and Scorpio are all examples of reactionary promises. At e3 they run out on stage and say 6tflops and the fanbase uses it as some sort of guide for midrange consoles yet make fun of Sony for showing off actual gameplay of games to come over the next year giving reasons to invest in their vision as a gamer. They create a war cry saying Microsoft showed off games that are releasing... but praise a 6tflops promise from a company that has not made a new AAA game in over 6 years? The last 6 years of Microsoft has been over promising and people are putting beliefs into "6tflops"? The cloud was used to try to convince people that their console will be more powerful, Hololens was their "creative" answer to vr but is at least two years from actually releasing and now, the fanbase is beating their chest about "6tflops" but yet can not list any games for the next year except for three delayed games shown off last year and another halo and another forza because, well.... When will people realize that power is not microsofts issue? This E3, Microsoft will need more than power to entice gaming consumers outside of their diehard fans. They will have to show games coming out and games that are in the works(going against the showing games coming out war cry of last e3). Their biggest push in the business was with the year head start with the 360 and third party games that were exclusive to the new gen of which made it appear that they had tons of exclusives. So, either Microsoft will either actually have to start making games or they will push heavily with third party deals creating a monopoly and thus absolutely leading it nowhere near to "Microsoft changing the rules". More like, they are trying to figure out the rules.
@Rude-ro A good overview of what the real issues are here. Well written. It is shocking that people cannot see how reactionary Microsoft has been and yet the company is unable to see what is right in front of it - that games are what drives the business and it is Microsoft's reluctance to invest in new IPs that has hurt them the most. People conveniently ignore the fact that the PS2, the Wii were not as powerful as their respective competitors but were still successful because gamers got what they wanted - loads of games.
Same Sony trolls on every Scorpio article saying 6tflops & it doesn't exist, yet keep screaming about a PS5 coming out in 2 or 3 years when nobody even mentions it...LOL Trolls gonna be trolls
I've always said MS needs to do what best for MS , if that mean breaking , changing or re-writing them so be it enough with the kid gloves BS.
Please guys stop talking about what might happen and what rules will be changing from over a year from now lol.
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