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5 reasons why the PS4 Pro should have an Ultra HD Blu-ray drive

And 5 possible reasons why Sony decided against equipping PlayStation 4 Pro with an Ultra HD Blu-ray drive, few of which make much sense.

By: Yoeri Geutskens

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rlow12763d ago

I know the fanboys are saying the pro doesn't need to focus on 4k Bluerays and Sony didn't want to gouge the consumer. But I think you'll find this balanced take on why it really doesn't include it interesting.

OB1Biker2763d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Don't have time to read all but the first reason on why it should have is wrong IMHO
'PS4 Pro is positioned as a “4K” (Ultra HD) + HDR entertainment device.'

Nope it's clearly positioned as a Gaming machine for dedicated gamers.

@darth
Just like for the PS4 reveal, house said again :'The living room is no longer the center of the PlayStation universe, the gamer is,” '
For that matter you can mock it all you want but you can't deny how they position their marketing 'For the player'

My point is about how the console is 'positioned' here and it's definitely first and foremost a gaming machine, non-gaming features are a bonus like you said.

I don't remember seeing TV TV TV stuff or talk about it being 'the next water cooler'. I didn't hear House introduce the Pro like 'let me introduce our entertainment device.' The fact is the Pro is a gaming machine for dedicated gamers

@sd11
My comment was meant to correct the article saying the Pro is positioned as a '4k entertainment device.'
Of course there many non gaming features but the PS4 is positioned as a Gaming machine 'for the players' and those non gaming features are extra. It's not positioned as an 'all in one entertainment device' at all.

@Teh_Leviathan

Haha
You win the comment that blows my mind on here.
The answer is:
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Happy gaming :)

UltraNova2763d ago (Edited 2763d ago )

Agreed but if what I 've read is true (4K bluray drive costing 32 bucks) then I would like to know why they didnt go for it and take that 32 buck hit? Is it possible they are in some kind of fallout with the Blu ray Assosiation?

Something feels wrong to me when a Sony console doesnt support the latest optical drive tech.

darthv722762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

Is "gaming" not part of "entertainment"?

You are lying to yourselves if you really think sony isnt making these systems as entertainment systems. They have been since the first playstation.

People choose to ignore non-gaming features but sony doesnt. They see them as a bonus, more bang for the buck.

They are lieing to everyone when they say that streaming is where they want to go. They fully realize they are nothing in the streaming market when every other modern internet enabled smart device can stream just as good if not better than their own offering.

They screwed up and instead of just admitting they dont want to be a "me too" when it comes to UHD... they rather tell you its our way or the highway. Way to give consumers choice especially from a company with a long history of consumer choice.

MS showed them up, they didnt like that and rather than just moving forward they took a step back. All for what..... pride.

CantHealz2762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

You want to know why it doesnt support it Go to any Best uy and tell me how many Ultra Blu Rays you see. Then justify the reason why you would spend money on adding a device to support a media that doesnt have full support physically and has better support digitally.

IamTylerDurden12762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

I care about gaming 1st and foremost. It was nice when the PS3 had blu ray, but i would rather the Pro be 399 without an UHD drive than 499 with one.

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DJustinUNCHAIND2762d ago

@kingpastry

Way to ram it up the tailpipe, there.

😂😂😂

conanlifts2762d ago

Positioned for gaming, not entertainment? They they also focused on streaming capabilities in the reveal.

nitus102762d ago

If you look at the PS3 and the PS4 what do you think the HD Bluray player is predominately used for?

If you guessed gaming you got it right. If you have a PS3, PS4 or even an XB1 all games media for those machines is on Bluray. It just so happens that you can also play Bluray and even DVD movies but while this is a nice value added feature, it is not the primary purpose of the Bluray player on gaming consoles that have one.

Cue the XB1s which has a UHD Bluray player. As far as games media go they still use Bluray disks not UHD Bluray disks, why do you think that is the case? Sure you can now play UHD Bluray disks although this is rather pointless if you don't have a UHD TV that supports HDR10 but isn't this going beyond what a gaming console is about.

Yes, you are spot on it's Microsoft talking about "TV TV TV stuff or talk about it being 'the next water cooler'" when it's games, games , games and possibly the odd show for the majority of us who are gamers.

@UltraNova

The PS3 and PS4 are games machines predominately and the ability to play Bluray movie content is a value-added feature. This has been the case since the PS3 was first released.

As for a $32 USD (assuming USD) 4K Bluray drive, was that one that fell off the back of a truck or is it second hand since all HD Bluray drives from part pickers (even with discounts) are over $60 USD. Even in OEM quantities I have not seen HD Bluray drives for under $40 USD, yet here you are talking about 4K or UHD Bluray drives being cheaper than HD Bluray drives.

badz1492762d ago

Unlike MS, Sony is also in the business of making standalone 4K BD players. I do think that their decision to not include the 4K BD playback on the Pro is so the Pro will not cannibalize their standalone division's sales.

I also have no doubts that the PS4 or at least the Pro is just a FW update away from 4K BD capabilities like the HDR was for the original PS4.

I care very little for it btw, because I have only ever bought like 8 BD my entire life for their prices are kinda expensive where I live. But I do wish that someday Sony will release this 4K BD update just so they can kick these moviephiles in the teeth back to their cave.

These fanboys are hypocrites! Now, 4K movies matters to them while the Pro will be the best performing gaming console this whole coming year. But see when Scorpio release next year, they will talk back about game resolutions. What a bunch of insecure brats!

LexHazard792762d ago

If gaming is all they cared about, we would have PS Vue commercials.

LexHazard792762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

@canthealz,

That also because UHD blu rays have yet to hit the market fully. Only a few movies have come out on uhd. But its coming soon enough.

WickedLester2762d ago

Why cant it excel at both? Why does it have to be an either/or proposition? The reality is the PS4 IS an entertainment machine. Yes it plays games but it also plays blu rays, it streams Netflix, Hulu, Vue, YouTube, Spotify,etc. The whole "we're making a gaming machine for the gamers" is pure marketing drivel. The reality is Sony didnt include a 4K player because they want to push their 4K streaming services and they wanted to cut costs from the unit.

fathertime44642761d ago

@ob1biker
How is don't not posissioning it as a entertainment device? They have 4k streaming, they're promoting a digital cable service with the PlayStation platform as it's cable box, and they've gone so far as to create a 4k digital movie service. Last I checked none of that revolves around gaming in anyway.
It was the Sony fans that boo'd ms for wanting to go all digital and now it is Sony that wants to go digital (at least video wise) now and you're praising them.
Finally is like to note that a lot of countries have data capes for the internet.

If I was to guess as to why don't omitted a uhf drive, it's because they want to boost sales of their own uhd blue ray players of which will caust the consumer another 3-4 hundred usd. To me that's bs as sonny only makes 4k tvs now. They're rapping the consumer and saying It's for our benefit and fan boys like yourself are standing up for them

Sevir2761d ago

In the grand scheme of things it's the gamers who are buying PS4s, it's the gamers who will buy PS4 slims, and it's the gamers that will buy PS4 Pro. Less than half the people complaining about no UHD drive don't even use the damn thing on XBO S. Don't even have 4k and HDR capable sets, but are having an opinion because it's an checkmate MS ticked on their box... you have it? Great, how do you like it? Oh you play games not watch movies? Great!

Most people consume their entertainment digitally, there's data to support the increase in that, across all entertainment. Books movies, music, TV shows and games both big and small.

Physical media will always be around, but the market is declining. So closing to have a platform where you can have 4k content digitally isn't bad.

rlow12761d ago

I agree with completely that it's priority is gaming, but had you read the rest of the article you would've understood their aren't any compelling reasons that they don't include the 4k player.

Deadpooled2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

It's likely Sony is saving up 4k BR for their full 4k gaming machine the PS5, which by the time that releases it would likely have a better BR drive technologically than what is currently available. As pointed out by CantHealz 4k UHD BR adoption is not as mainstream at the moment compared to back when the PS3 was released, but very likely will be by the time PS5 releases.

Teh_Leviathan2761d ago

If it's for dedicated gamers, then why did a poll posted on here recently reveal that PS4 fans spend the least time gaming between Xbox, Wii and PS?

TheUndertaker852761d ago

So gamers then don't want the possibility of more content on disc?

The current PS4 allows for 50GB Blu-Ray discs. A UHD drive would allow up to 100GB Blu-Ray discs.

indyman77772761d ago (Edited 2760d ago )

At Nitus10 HD blu-ray didnt come out (to stores) until May 2016 in USA so what does the launch of PS3 have to do with it?

For all those not wanting to read the following link it is from a respected tech site and says even the original PS4 had HDR ability built into it and only needs a firmware upgrade to activate it.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

rainslacker2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@darth

I think between Sony getting so much grief over including BR, jacking up the system price of the PS3, and MS getting so much flack over the TV TV TV, maybe Sony just considered focusing, and I guess even including UHD to be counter productive. If so, then we only have ourselves to blame.

however, it likely is down more to the supposed price of the drives, although I'm dubious that it's so much more expensive than a standard laser. I've read reports that the drive itself is $16-30 depending on the source, but it doesn't say anything how much a "non-UHD" drive cost in relation to that, and from my understanding, all you need is a 6X CAV drive which can read 3 layer discs....which the stock, slim, and pro all have. Even if there is a price difference though, then a few dollars across millions of units adds up, in which case, Sony is just trying to make more profit off the console, at the expense of not gaining any revenue from UHD purchases in the future.

I am highly doubtful that Sony decided to not do it due to not wanting to seem like a "me too" company. They would have laid those plans out well before MS ever announced the Slim or Scorpio, and Sony wouldn't give two sh*ts about what MS was doing in this case because they have an actual interest in UHD media. So, for them, they'd want to be the "me too" company, or just be the company that delivers the best console UHD player available. Sony doesn't need to shy away from looking like a copycat, nor would the idiocy of trolls cause them to run and hide in the face of potential profits or gains in the UHD field.

So, no, I doubt it's because MS showed them up....otherwise, why bother with the PS4P at all, and why not just go back to the drawing board. They hadn't committed to PS4P specs or release yet, and it was all just rumors and assumption, so if they were worried about MS, they could have just not released the console in the first place.

As of right now, the only reasons I can see it not being supported are that it really was a extra cost for the systems they weren't willing to take for what they felt was going to be a marginal selling point. That they just don't have the feature ready yet. Or they are truly so short sighted that they believe by not including it they will push digital adoption of their own streaming service...which I find unlikely since the PS4 isn't necessary for that adoption, nor is it likely to actually achieve that result to such a great degree that it would make sense to have something less than the competition.

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Mr_Writer852762d ago

The fact that you have to mention fanboys as a way to valid any argument you make, says to me your arguments are a bit weak.

"Yeah well I'm countering what fanboys say so I must be right".

It's an opinion, not fact, so it shouldn't matter what fanboys say.

OB1Biker2762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

It's been edited hasn't it?
That made me smile too his calling fanboy people saying they don't need a UHD Blu-ray drive

Mr_Writer852762d ago

Also you claim this is balanced?

Liar.

All you do is look at the negatives for reasons why, And at the end claim that all the reasons not to are poor, where as all your arguments are valid?

Yet when it comes to the reason they have said, price, you don't have all the facts, yet still claim it's a poor reason?

That is not balanced.

conanlifts2762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

That's the amusing thing. I see people stating it is better they kept costs low and not include a 4k blu ray drive. Yet these same people already own a ps4 and are willing to pay hundreds for a premium ps4, yet they are happy at saving a couple of $ for a standard drive. It makes no sense. A premium ps4 should have all of the expected premium features. If you want to save a few $ then that's what the slim is for. I think sony have made a mistake and they did it because they are dominating so much.

ngaydazng72761d ago

I would rather they put that $32 into the GPU, rather than UHD-BR. Shall we put that to a vote.

Red_Renegade2761d ago

was not balanced. isn't only fanboys. almost no 4k blu ray movies. almost no demand for 4k players. ps4pro is aimed at gamers, hence the improvements for gaming. wasn't interesting. nice try though.

ABizzel12761d ago

5 reasons it shouldn't

1. Blu Ray sales have never reached 50% of what the DVD market did before it, and have been on the decline for the last 2 years, and will be the 3rd year in a row by the end of 2016. Meanwhile streaming and even 4K streaming has been on the rise for the last 2 years, and is on track to continue that trend by end of 2016. Blu Ray as a movie medium is dying and streaming is replacing it, leaving the medium sole for videophiles and audiophiles. (And yes games will be upscaled to 4K, while some AAA games like Tomb Raider will also be NATIVE 4K, fact check)

2. The XBOs does have a UHD Blu Ray player. It also will take a heavy loss because of it if they do a holiday price drop. The PS4s not having one, has plenty of room to drop price and still make a profit. The PS4 Pro not having a UHD player also allowed it to hit it's perfect $399 price point, a gaming console with 3x the graphics processing of the XBOs for just $100 more. Once again a gaming console putting gaming first, and keeping price lower in the process instead of forcing a dying medium on gamers, with no real benefit to games.

3. Being 2.25x more powerful than the PS4s is a differentiator. The CPU overclock in s differentiator. The 4k support is a differentiator. UHD does absolutely nothing to make the console "more powerful".

4. Once again Blu Ray sales are on the decline and dropping fast, which is why Sony has repositioned it's streaming service PS Vue as it's leading entertainment platform when it comes to video. Most consumers would get more from a month of PS Vue than they would an entire generation with a UHD Blu Ray player, since people aren't buying Blu Ray movies by the 10's of millions.

5. UHD does absolutely nothing for the console, besides increase the price, and give them a golden sticker for having it in the box. Blu Ray as a medium is dying slowly, 4K HDTV's represent less than 5% of the HDTV market in households, 4K Blu Ray content is even more scarce. If a UHD Blu Ray is needed it can gladly wait until the PS5, while the PS4 and PS4 Pro continue to stay at acceptable prices due to their lack of UHD BR player.

raztad2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

The "Should have" are never worth the time. Whatever reason Sony had to not include 4k bd movie capabilities were enough for them, period. It is up to you to decide whether you want the product they are offering. I am pretty sure the inmense majority of gamers dont care or even have a 4k tv. This is however what baffles me, sony advertising the pro as primary intended towards 4k gaming and leaving 1080p users with little to no information on the benefits of upgrading to a Pro. Silly mistake that could cost them a lot.

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S2Killinit2763d ago (Edited 2763d ago )

1 reason why it shouldn't: 399 price tag.

I personally believe that the reason MS is trying so hard to say this UHD drive is even in demand, is because MS thought that Sony would try to push their own UHD bluray medium using the PS4Pro, and MS felt comfortable with an expensive scorpio. Then Sony went and introduced a powerful PS4Pro at a cheap price a whole year in advance, and that spells bad news for MS. MS was counting on Pro being more expensive.

I personally hadn't even heard about UHD bluray. there is barely any movies out that support it yet. At my Bestbuy there is a tiny section devoted to them, and I had to go looking for it to find it out of curiosity.

rlow12763d ago

I can see you point. But people who buy 4k want to watch movies that will use all those pixels. Streaming 4k from a service like Netflicks doesn't even come close and produce to many artifacts. Sony really hasn't given any solid reasons why it's not in the machine. It will affect it's sales for sure.

S2Killinit2763d ago

pretty sure it won't effect its sells to the extent that an extra 100 dollars would have. But, that is your opinion and your are entitled to it.

Mr_Writer852762d ago

"But people who buy 4k want to watch movies that will use all those pixel"

So buy a UHD player?

Sony have already confirmed, price is the reason it doesn't have one.

One of the main reasons PS4 steamrolled Xbox 1 was price.

Yes it's slightly more powerful, but most gamers look at price.

The Pro was expected by many to be $500 (much like many predicted the PS4 would be) being $399 has possibly made this a lot more attractive to gamers.

You add in a UHD player, you don't get that launch price.

I was pretty sure the Pro would do pretty meh numbers. But at that price I think it will do decent numbers.

jronj2762d ago

Sony may be thinking they would make more money because PS4 Pro owners would purchase a 4k download movie directly from them (since they have the pro right in front of them) rather than buy a disk from a store.
This would make them more money than someone buying a disk at a store and bringing it home to watch, which people aren't doing as much anyway. Store movie sections are getting smaller each year.

Deadpooled2761d ago

It's likely Sony is saving up 4k BR for their full 4k gaming machine the PS5, which by the time that releases it would likely have a better BR drive technologically than what is currently available. 4k UHD BR adoption is not as mainstream at the moment compared to back when the PS3 was released, but very likely will be by the time PS5 releases.

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I_am_Batman2763d ago

I doubt that they would have to increase the price by much (if at all) considering that Sony is a member of the blu-ray disc association and are already producing UHD drives anyway. They should've done it either way just to tick a box for their 4k marketing campaign.

4k streaming is not an acceptable alternative. The bitrates of 4k streamed movies are often times below the
bitrates of standard blu-ray movies. Not to mention that HDR will increase the need for higher bitrates even further. The majority of people around the world won't have the bandwidth for streaming bitrates comparable to UHD-BD for years to come.

joeorc2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@I_am_Batman

While what you say has some merit's, the fact is every PS4 through its HDMi Controller chip has a dedicated Video & picture 4K Upscaler!

Sony is doing exactly what Toshiba & Microsoft did with HD-DVD marketing to Sony with Blu-Ray back in the PS3 Cycle about Upscaling is good enough right now.

Think about it if all your standard BD movies can be upscaled to near native 4K through Upscaler inside the PS4's , not Software only based but Hardware, with HDR also, would BD-UHD be that big of a deal for a games console?

Jeff Rigby was right about that Panasonic Series HDMi controller while others asked how Sony was able to add in HDR10 true support to every PS4..He will also be right about that HDMi Upscaler inside that same Controller chip also..

Take into account if BD-UHD adoption does not increase at a fast rate..you can forget about price of scale going down fast anytime soon for Disc authering licences or player & Disc's costs also.

PhoenixUp2763d ago

Forget just 4K UHD Blu-Ray support. All PS4s should have basic CD functionality by now

rlow12763d ago

I didn't know that, unless your just trying to be funny.

PhoenixUp2763d ago

It's true though. The PS4 cannot play basic CDs. There's nothing funny about not having the basic functionality to play PS1 games or listen to physical music.

nitus102762d ago

You are quite right, although if I want to play a PS1 game I just put the disk in my PS3 (all PS3's will play PS1 media). Since I also have a backwards compatible PS3 I can even play PS2 games.

Like I have said before you can "rip" your CD's to mp3's and play them on your PS3 or PS4 if you wish.

PhoenixUp2762d ago

Yes that's an option, but not everyone with a PS4 has a PS3. And it still doesn't make PS4 missing such a basic feature any less glaring.

rainslacker2761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Yeah, that is a bit disappointing to be honest. Not even sure if it's been verified if it's just Sony not enabling it, or using a laser which doesn't support it. Seems Sony wants people to use the laser as little as possible in the PS4.

I still buy most of my music on CD, and like to listen to it that way some times, but I do find it more convenient to simply rip it all for media server use, and now that I brought a car with USB media playback, I don't often play the CD's directly anymore.

I use my receiver for music media playback though, often controlling it through my phone or tablet. Works quite well.

Obviously, everyone's setup will be different though, but despite CD's being sold and consumed still, I do think it's one of those things many, particularly those with consoles, probably don't look for anymore.

What sucks most though is that it means that they can't even offer a emulation for PS1 games like MS does at some point for one's physical games....although I'm resigned to the fact that was probably never a consideration anyhow, since they aren't even doing it for digital PS1 games.

Kyosuke_Sanada2762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

Agreed. I do miss importing my music to the HDD especially for Gran Turismo 6 . I know that a USB can be used instead and I am not a big fan of Spotify because more than half of the music I listen to isn't even on it but in the end the absence of basic CD functionality feels like a step backward.

nitus102762d ago

So you want to buy a gaming machine to play CD's? Why don't we insist that it has to play cassette or VHS tapes or better yet vinyl records.

Well, you could use your computer to "rip" your CD's to mp3's and play them on your PS3 or PS4 just don't tell the Recording Industry Association of America you are doing this.

PhoenixUp2762d ago

@ nitus

That's a very poor example. Every PlayStation console prior has had CD playback and it's very glaring for the latest iteration to lack that feature. It's not a deal breaker obviously, but a console should never have less features than its predecessors.

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travestyj2762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

5 reasons why PS4 Pro doesn't need a 4K bluray player, which is basically the same point restated:

- physical media has been dying for many years

- Sony knows more about the bluray market than anyone, they helped create it, manufacture bluray discs and players, and make movies sold on blurays discs.

- If you think physical media is thriving go invest in a Blockbuster

- Gaming is the most important part of a video game console, not 4k bluray playback. This has been the case and will always be the case. The PS4 Pro is a powerful console at a great price that helped the original PS4 be the fastest selling console of all time at $399

- Digital media is by far the most popular standard for movie watching. Don't tell me something like "but you need powerful internet". Chances are if you are buying 4K blurays at $30+ and 4k TV's chances are you have money for fast Internet speeds and high data caps. "But physical discs still looks better", that is the case for regular blurays as well yet no one really cares.

nitus102762d ago

The PS4pro does have a normal (HD) Bluray player since all gaming media for the PS3 and PS4 is actually on Bluray disk. Having a UHD Bluray player would be a nice value added feature but unlike a standard Bluray player, it is not essential to gaming and would only benefit a few people.

Definitely, agree with the rest of your comment.

For the XBoxes who disagreed please tell me or better yet give me a URL to where it states that having a UHD player will improve games being played on the XB1s.

fathertime44642761d ago

Well if your going to add more effects or resolution to games your going to at least need a uhd drive for that. Or in the case of the pro no data cap and a ton of patients for all the day one updates needed to download all the programing for the game to run on the pro. But hey what do I know? Enjoy your large downloads

NeoGamer2322761d ago

If physical media is dying then why did everyone make such a big stink about XB1 being all digital at launch?

EB Games continues to be successful with play and trade.

There are many people who buy a gaming console because of the optical drive. Why spend $400 on a UHD Blu-ray device when you can spend the same and get a gaming console that plays UHD blu-rays. The argument is really flawed because PS2 marketed its DVD capability heavily and the PS3's main selling point for the first few years was it was a cheap Blu-ray player. Now, that Sony did not include UHD Blu-ray all of a sudden this is an unimportant feature?

4K UHD movie watching over the internet is not very viable right now. When my console is on, a few family members are surfing the net, and someone tries to stream 4K video, it sucks. I have a gaming router and a 50 Mbps Internet connection. 4K Streaming just doesn't work with a family that does almost everything digital.

stixs12762d ago

who even buys blu ray movies

Mr_Writer852762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

The real question is how many gamers buy Blu ray movies?

Or how many people who buy Blu ray movies watch them on their console rather than a dedicated player?

nitus102762d ago (Edited 2762d ago )

In over 10 years since I purchased a day one PS3, I have only watched less than 20 Bluray movies (includes 3D as well). I actually got the PS3 and now the PS4 to play games not watch movies. I do have an additional PS3 in my lounge room that my wife uses to watch Netflix on occasion although most of the time she watches free to air shows. We get over 30 FTA channels which IMHO are mostly rubbish although Foxtel does beat that with over 200 channels which IMHO are mostly rubbish. 😉

Where I live (Sydney Australia) I have noticed that many movie rental places are actually shutting down and only kiosks (predominately DVD) are being used now. Netflix and Foxtel are very popular with Netflix forcing Foxtel to reduce their prices. While I can't speak for the USA, UK and Europe I take it this is the trend there as well.

fathertime44642761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

Well I have over 500 blue rays, a 4k tv, and I'm investing in 4k movies now so here's one person. Personally I do use digital streaming, but the video quality is nothing compared to a physical disc.
I am a gamer and a videophile also.
I used to keep the two on seperate machines, but the entertainment center was just cluttered. So yes if I spend 400-500 on something I do expect a little more out of that device than say if I spend 100 on it.
So yes I believe full heartedly that the only reason why sony excluded a uhd drive is to boost sales of their own uhd players and that's the only reason they did it.
@ mr_writer85
I do believe what I said was "I believe hole heartedly"! So there for it can only be misconstrued as a fact over an opinion by someone that called English class. But thanks

Mr_Writer852761d ago (Edited 2761d ago )

@fathertime

So if it's the only reason why have they gone for such a competitive price?

It's a premium console, so why not charge a premium price?

Because price was important.

Don't try and make your opinion as a fact, when the evidence contradicts your opinion.

fathertime44642761d ago

Every gamer buys blue rays. What do you think the games are on.... Also you think they're gonna put all the info need for a 4k game on a blue ray? Nope a 4k movie doesn't even fit on one.

Mr_Writer852761d ago

My apologies for miss reading.

You are still wrong though, the evidence is clear.

Adding a UHD drive would of effected the price. And Sony have clearly intended to launch at the most attractive price possible.

Like I said, if an attractive RRP wasn't the reason, we would have a pro with a UHD drive in.

fathertime44642758d ago

@mr_writer m85
Seeing as the addition of a uhd drive didn't effect the one s price and they outsourced the drive, how would it effect the pro's price when don't is just a couple months from releasing their own uhd players in January?

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rainslacker2761d ago

I do. So do all those people at the large sections of BR movies within big box stores like Walmart, Best Buy, Target, etc, and those who purchase them through Amazon. As far as I can tell, the distributors who deal with entertainment media, still sell quite a lot of those Blu-Rays, and my own distributors send me lists every week about which movies are expected to be popular sellers, as well as when they're about to sell out, and they tend to get tens to hundreds of thousands in at any given time for a new release, which promptly get sold through pre-orders.

I dunno. Maybe stop assuming that just because digital is on the rise, that everyone, or even the vast majority, have moved on. While the market for BR has declined in the wake of digital options, there is still a pretty substantial market for them. Just now, people are more apt to consume digital media for certain kinds of content, and based on Sony's statements on the matter, they assume that because people like to stream crappy movies, old TV shows, or the occassional new release because they don't care about quality, despite there being plenty of people who actually do want the best quality available....which for the foreseeable future is going to be physical content going by what I've seen of streamed content to date.

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How to recruit Lam in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Lam is among the 120 characters available for recruitment in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes. While she is one of the many straightforward recruits, a known bug may prevent players from recruiting her if certain conditions are met. Despite developers’ assurances of fixing the bug, some early access players still encounter issues with recruiting Lam despite attempting the standard method.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow111h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos9h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos7h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje7h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon7h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum10h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum5h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola4h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum4h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

jambola4h ago

I agree
Your comment was pretty stupid

Rebel_Scum3h ago

I never said censorship is based on what I say dumbass. Just because I dont see this as censorship doesnt mean I’m saying others cant.

How about you come at me with your opinion rather than snarky comments with no thought on the matter.

SimpleDad6h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola4h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

Barlos4h ago

They'll probably make her trans

CobraKai6h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK6h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh5h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.

MrBaskerville2h ago

The game being an accurate represantation of the original was not a slap in the face to the fans. The 3D remasters looked like ass (visually) tbh.