PS4 Pro vs Xbox Scorpio: What Advantage Does 1.8 Teraflops Have For In-Game Scenarios?

With the PlayStation 4 Pro announcement last week, the cat's finally out of the bag: both Sony and Microsoft have broken the traditional console cycle and opted instead to release incremental, mid-cycle refreshes.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Doesn't the overclocking also add to performance? It's sad seeing the clear agendas of the ppl submitting articles.

[aconnellan]

The agenda of people submitting articles? I guess you must have forgotten all of the articles that have been popping up for the last 4 years about the difference between the PS4 and Xbox One, which was a difference of 1.84 teraflops (PS4) to 1.31 teraflops.

Apparently that difference mattered a great deal, but now I'm seeing a whole lot of "but what are teraflops anyways? There's hardly a difference"

[ThePope]

This comment right here sums this whole thing up. The Sony faithful didn't think they would have to back peddle on power for years to come. Now it was never about the power lol. Also several people keep bringing up Battlefield. It has been stated several times that the frostbite engine has struggled with the sdram on the X1.

[Angeljuice]

@acon
"Apparently that difference mattered a great deal, but now I'm seeing a whole lot of "but what are teraflops anyways? There's hardly a difference"

That isn't true. That isn't what is being said at all. The Xbox fans are not being realistic and falling for Microsofts BS all over again.
Everything they promised the XBoxOne would do before it launched proved to be bullshit, we warned you, you ignored us, we were proven right.

Now instead of being suspicious about their ridiculous claims for the replacement box, you are lapping up the BS all over again.

It isn't the "Sony faithful" that is bashing you, it's everybody in the REAL WORLD. In fact, you are being corrected more by the PC enthusiasts who know from experience that MS's is full of BS when it comes to the Scorpio.

[aconnellan]

@Angeljuice

What did they promise they would do before launch that proved to be BS? All I remember is their DRM policies that everyone hated, so they reversed them, and now they have sweetass features. What have they not delivered on?

[ninsigma]

It'll play more games at native 4k than the pro will. Not all but definitely more.

[Aenea]

About 3 a year more is my guess! :p

[shiva1]

So all third party developers all of a sudden stop developing games for Xbox?

After last E3 microsoft mentioned about 14 unannounced games in development. In 3 yrs atleast 14 are coming out for sure.

[Aenea]

@shiva

It was a joke! You might have missed the smiley, isn't Xbox always faulted for repeating the same 3 IPs every year? That's where it's coming from...

But okay, let's reply to the serious stuff:
- It will still not be easy to get games to run at native 4k on the Scorpio, which means heavy optimisations have to be done especially for it and don't see too many 3rd party devs spending a lot of time on it
- 14 games in 3 years is still only 5 more than my jab mentioned

[SpaceRanger]

"It'll play more games at native 4k than the pro will. Not all but definitely more."

I'm pretty sure you first need more games to have that even be remotely true.

[WilliamSheridan]

Nope... Because the Pro doesn't plan to do really anything in native 4k...

[EpicSandwich]

They have more? What are you trying to say I don't get it?

[IamTylerDurden1]

Did i miss something? The Pro is a 4.2 teraflops machine. The GPU upgrade and overclock make it so. 1.8 teraflops would be the difference the GPU makes, but Pro is outputting at 4.2 overall. Am i wrong or are these articles just trying to mislead?

[mark3214uk]

yes and sadly were going to get another 12 months worth of these articles and xbox trolls claiming the Scorpio is the best thing since sliced bread

and i forgot the trolls biggest thing at the moment is the ps4 not having a 4kBD player, yet i bet 99% of them don't even own a 4k tv

[GrubsterBeater]

Exactly.

And this is exactly why I wanna jump off a bridge looking at how stupid all these people sound talking about Teraflops and targeted specs while having no idea what they actually do or what they mean.

Like I said earlier in a post, what happened is that once XBox fans saw the Scorpio video at E3, all they talk about now is Teraflops, and having no knowledge whatsoever on this word before, saw the video and suddenly are masters in technology and console specifications, all while becoming instant armchair developers overnight.

It drives me nuts at the sheer stupidity I am seeing since the Scorpio video.

[XanderZane]

If 99% of gamers don't have a 4K TV, why will anyone need a PS4 Pro this year? This is why I'm waiting until next year. I don't own a 4K UHDTV with HDR10 support. So, none of these new systems are going to be purchased by me this year.

[nitus10]

@XanderZane

I think the 4K TV ownership is a little higher than 1% but I don't think (at least without reliable statistics) that it would be more than 5%. That said if given the choice of buying a PS4slim or PS4pro I would definitely opt for the PS4pro even if I don't have a 4K TV or monitor. My reasons are the price difference between the "pro" and the "slim" are fairly small although for someone who has limited funds the "slim" would be the better deal.

Of course, if you already have a PS4 as well as an HDTV and don't have any compelling reason to get a UHDTV in the foreseeable future then the "pro" would only make sense if you had the spare money to purchase one and considering that the "pro" is exactly the same price and twice as powerful as the original PS4 at launch that may be very attractive to some.

[Sixstring]

Something else people are not mentioning,the cost of Skorpio and it's practically a new console. The PS4 Pro is a reasonable improvement with a cost that is kept in line for what it is. The Skorpio is basically Microsofts next generation coming early because they were losing in sales so badly they needed a massive change. But what happens when Sony releases the PS5 in 2018-19 that is 2X or more powerful than Skorpio and cheaper?

[mark3214uk]

@XanderZane

it is double the power for the same price! need i same more

[BattleAxe]

"What Advantage Does 1.8 Teraflops Have For In-Game Scenarios"

PS4 (1.84Tflops) + PS4 Pro (4.2 Tflops) = Xbox Scorpio

You do the math!

[Angeljuice]

Scorpio + Xbox games < PS4 + PS games

[Unspoken]

Nah, those PS4 games are over rated.

Windows 4K + Xbox games > low resolution PS4 games.

[Phill-Spencer]

Scorpio + xbox games even < ps vita games^^

[BattleAxe]

I'm still trying to figure out what these great games are on PS4 that are supposed to be so much better than what's available on Xbox One. Uncharted looks great, Ratchet & Clank looks good and Infamous looks descent, but outside of those two games, I'm not seeing it. Even though Bloodborne is not my thing, I can admit that it got great reviews.

[fanboysmackdown]

And 85% are multi platform so what's your point? Everyone has their favorite exclusives and this article is on which console has more horsepower, but as typical Sony fanboys will always point out, they think they have the only games worth playing. See, when you choose more than one platform, you get to enjoy all the titles and your flag waving comes across as a spoiled little baby who has an inferior toy to the baby sitting across from you.

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

Goalposts moved

[Thatguy-310]

If the difference from ps4 to ps4 pro aren't big then the difference from ps4 pro to Scorpio won't be that big either. Plus Sony has the talent to work with the hardware that they have. MS will have the power advantage but it'll have no worth while exlusives to take advantage of it simply because they lack quality titles.

[Errorist76]

It actually just added to the argument.

[DragonDDark]

GOW4 will be on pc.

[Angeljuice]

So let me get this straight;

PS4 + 2.4 Tflops = PS4Pro
PS4PRO + 1.8 Tflops = Scorpio

But the Pro is weak because it uses inferior Tflops, whereas although the Scorpio's advantage over Pro is only 3/4 of the Pro's advantage over PS4, they are far more powerful Tflops so the difference will be multiplied by 4k?

Is that about the jist of it Xboxers?

@Captain Murk
I just used a nonsense formula that is consistent with Boner thinking, you just proved my point.

[bleedsoe9mm]

sony should sell duct tape allot here would buy it

[Silly gameAr]

Well, at least it would be some you can actually touch. MS could try to sell a cloud and call it the best thing ever, and just watch the suckers pour in.

[Muzikguy]

Fully customizable and usable duct tape in 4K with advanced AI techniques never before seen in tape. With the cloud, we are able to duct tape entire cities and utilize fully destructive and retape-able environments with “20 times the computational power of" non internet connected duct tape

😂 Sorry 😄

[bleedsoe9mm]

@Muzikguy thumbs up that was well done . added bonus once the slim is taped to the pro not only will it equal scorpio a quad decker will be more aesthetically pleasing

[nitus10]

How about:

"Scorpio" (no release date or price and at least a one-year wait).
verses
"PS4pro" (release date 10th Nov 2016 and $399 USD)

You do the math! Guess which console wins this holiday break?

[Condemnedman]

and then realising you have purchased another console with hardly much difference to the one you owned . you do the maths oh 350 down the drain!

[Muzikguy]

"Hardly much difference" get outta here with that. If it weren't different, they wouldn't be releasing it. Also it's not $350 down the drain unless you think you can buy one for $50?! I'd buy a Pro over the slim any day.

[fenome]

@Condemnedman

I like how you act like there's hardly much difference between the PS4 and the Pro, and then act like it's a huge difference between the Pro and the Scorpio. You do realize that the difference between the PS4 and the Pro is actually more than the difference between the Pro and the Scorpio right?

The difference between PS4 and Pro is 2.4, and you act like it's hardly noticeable. Yet the difference between the Pro and the Scorpio is 1.8 and it's on a whole other level? Lol

I could care less either way, but you guys are funny. People on both sides are getting ridiculous with this crap. I just wanna play my games. Hopefully they dont announce new systems right after they put these out on the market because that would just be a bunch of crap for us consumers.

[DragonPaw]

Here is what gives me concern. There are going to be three "Windows" platforms for games to be ported to. I was just reading how they were probably going to abandon ESRAM so it is going to be a much different system.

If there is not a big enough audience in the Scorpio, how well are developers going to try to port for it? Maybe they don't have to with a Windows 10 custom OS coupled with good DirectX implementation. If they do have to port, Microsoft is going to stretch developers very thin (with perhaps very little profit) in making a game work in three different hardware systems. .DirectX is here to save the day?

[senorfartcushion]

Right on time:

Here comes the other rabble of crazy hooligans to fight for their uncaring conglomerate.

[KillZallthebeast]

Sometimes I just wish I didn't wake up on a Saturday and have to request 5 untraceable orphans to feast upon to help purge my system of the toxins...but alas I do anyway...much like these articles no one really cares about them but they keep happening anyway.

[Aenea]

For 1080p?
Quite a bit!

For 4k?
Not all that much, same difference as now between X1 and PS4 on 1080p except in reverse.

For VR?
That 1.8Tflops extra is not going to be enough, it needs to push 1.875 times the number of pixels per second as the Pro has to send to PSVR for a good VR experience (23% more pixels, but also 30 frames per second more...).

[mkis007]

No advantage for either as long as they are generation locked.

[phoenixwing]

that is a very good point and the reason i have no plans to buy these upgraded versions. I'll stick with my current console and call it good. The most we'll see is upgraded resolution, possibly framerate, and maybe a little more foilage if the developer is being generous

[mkis007]

Agreed. I keep wondering what the fuss is all about with scorpio being so powerful? All games will be limited by the weakest of the systems( being the xbox one and ps4). So why exactly is this power goig to offer anything game-making? The games still have to be designed for the original consoles. Unless teams are goig to dedicate time to make completely different versions of the same game...which they dont do anymore.

[WelkinCole]

For multi plats it might make a difference. However here is the scenario.

By end of 2017 when scorpio launch the pro will have perhaps at least 10 million head start. Do you guys think 3rd party will invest more money in making the scorpio version better or will they be mindful of parity and focus on the version that gets them more money?

The other situation is the parity between X1S and Scorpio which I think will be a bigger issue with 3rd party. MS is pushing for a bigger difference between the two to make the Scorpio more relevant including against the Pro. However that difference especially against the X1s which is the weakest will literally make the X1s irrelevant like it is alast gen console because of the bigger difference.

In effect this will see even less sales of 3rd party games on the original X1s which has by then perhaps 30 million userbase which 3rd party will still want to leverage.

In the middle of it all is the pro with good enough power but also cheaper for gamers with better exclusive and bigger install base for 3rd party. Also the standard ps4 gamers will not abandon the original PS4 as the difference will not be drastic between the standard and pro but still better than the X1s as is now.

[shiva1]

Just to let you know... There are already millions of PCs with that setup. I am pretty sure developers will dumb it down to play it on ps4 pro than building it from ground up.

Rotr is classic example. Pro will get different settings and the lowest setting will run the game at best resolution for Pro.

[ShowanW]

Why are people focusing strictly on 1.8TF.

New cpu architecture as well... no Jaguar chip bottlenecking the box.

Hopefully they usomg something higher than Polaris on the GPU side as well.

On paper the power advantages, are gigantic

[phoenixwing]

and yet it would be running the games also on the original xbox one so basically all the extra power would equal a higher resolution and maybe an increase in framerate. If you were real lucky they would throw in increased foilage. That's all they would use the power for. There would be no huge increase in anything else. Which is why i'm not upgrading anything.

[shiva1]

Then whats the need for Pro. At least get the marketing straight. Its strictly for PSVR. Not for anything extra. Dumbs made all to buy base console 3yrs back and now want every one to invest again on Pro and VR for that VR gimmick.

[Angeljuice]

The problem is they are targeting 4k for all titles. That means that most of the power advantage will be diverted to the higher pixel count leaving little to nothing left for fancier graphics.

[Aenea]

@captainmurk

To realise how much graphic effects the Scorpio can use in native 4k as compared to the X1 in 1080p you might want to divide 6Tflops by 4. That's 1.5Tflops, that's only 0.2 more than the X1 has and we all know the X1 doesn't even do 1080p for many titles so I highly doubt it will be enough for 4k without sacrificing something else...

[i3eyond the Circle]

It's more than just a 1.8 tf difference.

If there's an upgraded CPU it clears certain bottleneck thresholds.

Also if there's a cut down vega inside of the Scorpio that's an entirely different GCN architecture which makes 1.8tf translate to something totally different in comparison to Polaris.

Not to mention the real deal maker... DX12.

PC and Xbox are becoming one. Any game that gets a DX12 update on PC or made with Dx12 can theoretically be easily brought to Xbox Scorpio. Games like the Witcher, Cyberpunk, and other usually PC centric titles will work on Scorpio with possible 4K support and/or the highest possible settings with no loss of resources it would simply have to scale with the nice cushion of power Microsoft has laid out for developers.

[ShowanW]

Finally... Somebody who gets it

Thank u @i3yond The Circle

[godfire21]

Very informative article, an I'm curious to see the price for the Scorpio when it comes out.

[zb1ftw777]

Massive.

The DIFFERENCE equals the entire power of the PS4.

The Scorpios power shits all over the Pro.

[GrubsterBeater]

In terms of raw power, yes. (As long as MS meets that target, and from past promises from MS, history shows that they generally fail to deliver on said promises.)

So let's say you are right, and Scorpio has wayyy more power... well.. that power doesn't mean anything if you don't have games. Throw in the fact that MS's developers aren't all that great at using all their power to it's full potential (like PS does), and you got yourself a pointless console that has a lot of power.

Look what Uncharted 4 for PS4. There is NOT game on XBOX One or even really any PC games that look as good as Uncharted 4. Now if Uncharted looks that good on Vanilla PS4, imagine what they could do with the PS4 Pro. The same can't be said for the XBOX One and Scorpio though...

So even though Scorpio has sooooo much more power, I can guarantee you that the PS4 Pro will have games that look and perform better than anything Scorpio brings to the table. Mark my words and bookmark this comment if you don't believe it. Then, when Scorpio releases, one of us will have to eat crow, and based off MS and PS's track records, I think I'm not gonna be the one eating crow. Just wait, and then watch.. all the XBox fanboys are gonna feel like morons when that day comes..

[thisgamer503]

Yes look at a game like Uncharted 4 like you all use as an example. It has sold what? ALMOST 4 million globally? Out of what? 40 million ps4's? Exclusives don't sell systems like so many people on this site like to think. Almost EVERYBODY I know that picked up a ps4 did so because it plays multiplatform games better than the xb1. I will admit that I personally DID pick up a ps4 for exclusives, but I'm in a different boat than most. I have an xb1, ps4, and a gaming PC just to be able to play with all of my friends. Most people only choose/afford 1 console and stick with the eco system.

[GrubsterBeater]

@Thisgamer

My point obviously flew right over your head. What I was saying is that regardless of the power advantage, people will still go with PS. This is because they all go where their friends are, which over 40 million people would most likely not jump ship to XBOX regardless of power due to their trophies, digital downloads, stats, etc. The other reason is that PS DOES have a wider variety of games that appeal to all. Uncharted 4 obviously didn't sell to all 40Mil plus customers, but there is over 40Mil customers BECAUSE there are games that appeal to a wider variety of people, including niche genres and JRPG as well.

Just because everyone you know got a PS4 because it played multiplats better (I call bull$#@! on that, by the way), that doesn't mean that the majority of people bought a PS4 over XBOX because it played multiplats better. I picked PS because they always deliver on GAMES and the variety, which XBOX does NOT. If they did, then I would have probably bought one.

History has shown us time and time again that it is NOT which console is more powerful, but which console delivers more games, at a higher quantity, and of general higher quality, and this ALWAYS applies to Sony, and never XBox. I wonder why...

Also, regardless of what you believe, exclusives DOES sell consoles. They don't sell all of them, but they sure as hell help A LOT in doing so.

When Scorpio gets destroyed in sales, you guys will wonder why, and maybe you will all understand that it isn't power and PR that sells consoles, but it is phenomenal games, word of mouth, and at a reasonable price.

[zb1ftw777]

Dunno. All i see is failed exclusives on the PS4, delays and a machine more than worthy of its nickname "The Indiestation".

How many decent driving games does the PS4 have? Zero.

FH3 is a stunning masterpiece.

MS are doing everything right again. PS4 Pro already looks like another failed project if you ask me.

[godfire21]

If they get the scorpio within 100 dollars of the ps4 pro I will be amazed.

[thisgamer503]

an extra 1.8 tflops after a whole year later would amaze you? Why? If I buy a gpu today, I bet in a year I could get one with an extra 2tflop for the same price.

[godfire21]

It's not just the gpu, it's the console itself. The one thing the pro cane easily do better than the scorpio is if you see the price difference like the ps4 and xbox one

[GNCFLYER]

LMAO @ the goalposts.

Suddenly power matters...

[ShowanW]

@GNCFLYER

It matter because flamers forced it to matter...

Lets flip it... Now upscaling doesnt matter

[GNCFLYER]

The framebuffera sent to the TV are 4k.

[GNCFLYER]

Lol i can see that..

I ve always been a ps gamer. Last gen was brutal on us. So when the new systems came out roles gor reversed and people were(are) vocal.

Now xbox gamers feel it.

Shit, in the end its all fun and games because we all are actually gamers.

[thisgamer503]

Yeah, the framebuffer sent from the xb1 S is also 4k. That tends to be what upscaling entails lol.

[GNCFLYER]

No it isnt a 4k framebuffer

https://www.vg247.com/2016/...

[thisgamer503]

Yes, the xbox S certainly supports a 4k frame buffer. How do you think it supports UHD? When the Pro is running a game at 1080p/1440p then guess what? It's not running in a 4k frame buffer at those times until the image is stitched into 4k. The article you're referring to is saying that current games(all games in the 1S's case) aren't rendering in a 4k frame buffer because obviously the system doesn't have the power. From the majority of what we're seeing, the Pro also will not being rendering a large majority of games at 4k either.

[phoenixwing]

practically everyone is focusing on the power difference and not on the main limitations of both the ps4 pro and the scorpio. They can't leave their base consoles behind so all games will run on the original ps4 and xbox one. So there are only three possible things which will be upgraded.
1. Resolution is 100% guaranteed to be upgraded
2. Frames per second is only a possibility of being upgraded
3. If a developer goes the extra mile you may have more foilage

That's what you're paying for with these upgrades. Because they can't use the extra power for anything else which means basically your games will run slightly better. Seems like a lot of money to ask for just for a slight improvement. I highly doubt there will be advances in effects, AI, enemies on screen, interactivity, or anything else.

[ShowanW]

@phoenixwing

Phil Slencer said he would not stop developers from making exclusive content for Project Scorpio.

[nitus10]

Phil Spencer works for Microsoft and if Microsoft's upper management say "Jump" all he could say is "How High".

[DarXyde]

I think we all expect Scorpio titles to look better. That's not really up for debate.

How much better though...that's another issue entirely.

A ~2TF difference is a lot to a point. The more power these consoles have, the more you'll need to make it look even better. I thought, for the most part, differences between PS4 and Xbox One were negligible. Pro has over 2x TF advantage over PS4, yet it doesn't look like it. I think we'll see a noticeable difference between Scorpio and Pro, but it's worth tempering expectations.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

lets remind ourselves that the entire ps4 outputs 1.82 tflops. scorpio has an entire ps4 more in gpu and more ram. it won't slay the best pc's but it will certainly be more capable than ps4 pro. MS don't even seem worried about it. More power obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it sure will make console gaming that much more pretty to look at no matter what.

[Rimeskeem]

according to MS it's the difference between not native 4K and 4K

[Aenea]

Even tho it's actually going to be not native 4k vs. not native 4k for most games...

The Scorpio is more powerful but will still need to cut down on something to be able to reach 4k, either it's the size of the render framebuffer or it's on graphic effects.

Look at it this way:
4k means a console needs to push 4 times the number of pixels to the TV (or monitor), when 1.3Tflops and 1.8Tflops consoles can't deliver 1080p@60fps for ALL GAMES then 6Tflops is not gonna deliver 4k@60fps for ALL GAMES. 6Tflops / 4 = 1.5, that's the number of Tflops it's comparable when compared to the current 1080p consoles.

Also, everyone is staring at the 1.8Tflops difference and talking about 4k, well if you want to see how that number compares to the current machines you can divide it by 4 = 0.45. So the difference in graphics fidelity in 4k between the Pro and the Scorpio is practically the same difference we see now between the X1 and PS4 in 1080p except in reverse...

Tho, yes, with 1080p content on the Pro and Scorpio it makes a lot more of a difference...

[King_Lothric]

Remember when the Xbox enthusiasts said PS4 50% power advantage over the Xbox one was nothing and barely visible?

Now they are saying that Scorpio 43% power advantage over the PS4 Pro is huge 😁.

These people has no credibility at all and will say any garbage even if it contradict its own previous statements.

[lastking95]

0.4 tf vs 2tf huge difference in gaps (wasnt 50% btw) the tf# gap between scorpio and pro is 3x bigger than the tf# gap between X1 and ps4. There wasnt an actual ps4 power sized gap between x1 and ps4 like there is with scorpio and pro.

People made a fuss about what .4 more tf could do for ps4 yet 2tf more is no big deal?

Aenea you clearly don't know how programming and development works.

[Aenea]

0.5 vs. 1.8 actually...

For 1080p content on the Pro and Scorpio it is a huge difference.
For 4k content it's about the same difference as between the X1 and PS4 now.

(divide the difference by 4 since 4k needs to render 4 times the pixels as in 1080p then you get an approximation of the difference you can compare to the PS4 and X1 on 1080p)

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@thisgamer below me

Nice!

But see it like this, if we both want to buy ehhh, let's go with stock (binging Billions!), we want to buy stock in a company, that stock costs $1 a piece. Then if I have $1 I can buy one, you have $2 you can buy 2 of them. That means you can buy TWICE the amount of stock.

If we want to buy stock that costs $100 a pop and I have $100 to spend and you $200, you can buy TWICE the amount of stock.

See totally depends on what you're using it on...

Yes, the Scorpio has more Tflops and when the Pro and the Scorpio are going to use their Tflops on 1080p it will make a huge difference, but if they are going to use it on 4k not so much...

[thisgamer503]

People are funny. If i have a penny and you have 2 then sure you have twice as much as me. When i have 100 and you have 200 but you still only have twice as me. Are we going to act like that extra 100 is the same as the initial extra 1?

[shiva1]

Go check last three years comments from all those comparison articles. You will find who started it and who made it more relevant. You will find that news shocking.

[thisgamer503]

It's pretty much the power of the whole base ps4 stacked on top of the ps4 pro. So I'd say it COULD have some good advantage for in game scenarios if devs choose to make it happen.

[GrubsterBeater]

That's not how this works...

You guys just love your new buzzword called Teraflops.

99% of the XBox fanboys had no idea what a Teraflop was until that stupid Scorpio video, and now every XBOX fanboy is a armchair developer and professional in the technology world.

Do some actual research. It's not "pretty much the power of the whole base PS4 stacked on top of the PS4". There is A LOT more to it than that, and nobody seems to have even a remedial grasp on this, but they just love to use that word Teraflop and throw it around like it is this magical power boost without taking anything else into consideration.

Edit @ this gamer

Ugh. I never said that the Scorpio won't have an advantage, I said that it won't matter, and that whatever power advantage it even has won't even be significant. Practice some reading comprehension, and then comment when you can read them correctly. We all know the "targeted" specs of Scorpio are higher than PS4 Pro. We all get understand that. What's the point of all that power though when you have developers that can't even push the boundaries graphically on the XBOX One. What's that extra power gonna do for them on the Scorpio? Almost nothing. Just wait.

[thisgamer503]

Really? It's been Sony fans this whole generation touting the tflop advantage. The only reason I mention tflops? Look at the title of this story bud, good lord.

while you're saying "Do some actual research". A lot of people have, and while not confirmed yet, there is speculation that not only will the gpu be 6+ tflop, the CPU will likely be more powerful as well. But, like I said, not confirmed. Pretending the Scorpio won't obviously have the graphical advantage is worse than xbox fans pretending the ps4 doesn't currently have a graphical advantage.

[lastking95]

Let it all out, everything will be just fine. Remember to breathe in and out.

[shiva1]

The same goes for PS4Pro. Whats the point of it when it cant do native 4k but 4k term was used just like tv,tv,tv i know it hurts but you have one yr to prepare for it

[opinionated]

i think it has a big advantage over the ps4s terrible flops.

[fullmetal297]

From my experience as a PC gamer and judging the ongoing lead of the PS4 over Xbox One, it will make considerable difference towards the resolution and framerate. I can guarantee developers will cut the resolution in favor of stable framerates this will be more of an occurrence with the PS4 Pro.

[shiva1]

Parity from sony this time around.

[thisgamer503]

And somehow the justification will change on both sides. A year from now will be interesting when both sides flip flop on their arguments. Right now its all about native resolution vs upscaling, and on the other end power doesnt matter. Now we're seeing the exact same arguments only from opposite sides. The console war is funny.

[trainsgofast]

I have to agree with this.

"FLOPS can be used as a rough stand-in for gaming performance only within the same architecture.
Eurogamer thinks that the next-generation Scorpius uses AMD’s Vega, and
Vega is a complete departure from previous the previous GCN uarch. For
proof of this, consider the GTX 580 (1.58TFLOPS of single-precision
floating point) compared to the GTX 650 Ti Boost (~1.5TFLOPs of
single-precision floating point). As Anandtech’s Bench figures show,
the GTX 580 is regularly ~30% faster than the 650 Ti Boost, even though
they have roughly equivalent GFLOPS metrics. Unless the underlying
architectures are extremely similar, GFLOPS simply isn’t a good metric
to rely on."
http://www.extremetech.com/...
So stop with the Vega = 390X crap!!!!!"

[cd1]

The whole time i was reading this article i couldnt help be think it was written by some PCMR kn0b sh!te and alas the very last sentence proved me right. "Why not just build a PC" - if that is the author's solution he really dosn't understand console gaming. Ive built many gaming rigs in the past and have always enjoyed my gaming just as much as i do now, regardless of framerate.

I will be picking up a PS4 Pro on day one regardless of an upscaled 4K experience, yes Scorpio will have a power advantage but that dosn't bother me in the slightest. People should just learn to go play on the platform that meets their personal needs as apposed to TF chasing.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

I wouldn't be concerned with the specs I would be concerned with the lack of stellar games from Microsoft.

What halo 3 was like the last actual critically acclaimed game they released

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I think it's hard to truly know what the difference will be because that is really going to be depended upon the Developers . However if we look at this generation first consoles the difference in power between the PS4 and the Xbox one is about .4 teraflops. And we know that has been the difference between 1080P and 900p on average and more stable frame rates overall. But again that is largely been dependent upon individual developers and how they use each set of hardware. Some developers have been much more capable of getting good performance out of both consoles versus others. My prediction is that the power difference will again be depended upon each developer and how they utilize that difference or if they do.

[n1kki6]

Console gamers getting into PC talk like specs. It's only a matter of time for some people to start migrating. I know it costs more to build a PC, but if you really care about visuals, that is the best place to play. On console I don't care about the visuals, I come for great games.

[filchron]

I would love to game on PC but I have the worst luck and always have to deal with driver issues, screen tearing with V-sync and a whole bunch of other junk, I just want to pop in a game and play (which is why im seriously looking at the NX if the cartridge rumor is true) dont own a PS4 or Xbone yet but will definitely need to get one when RE2 remake comes out.

[filchron]

Probably has a big advantage. But will it make the Scorpio feel like the gen where Xbox OG was the most powerful console and had the funnest games (and best Sega Exclusives) on launch? Definitely not. Most Xbox properties now are focus tested, Wall St. speculation backed garbage (bland racers, 10 billion UE4 FPS's,) and little esle. Which isnt to say all Xbox properties are bland, just most are now compared to the launch of the OG Xbox. That said Im getting whichever console RE2 Remake looks best on because playing RE2 in 480p 60FPS on Dreamcast almost feels like a different game than the PS1 original (although I enjoyed that one as well)

[Father__Merrin]

its likely have higher resolution toward 4k than what the 2k pro does

[Aenea]

Indeed! Might be 2.1k instead...

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@thisgamer

Ok, then it's 3k, whatever floats your boat!

And that there is the problem some people do not see. The PS4 Pro with it's 4.2Tflops uses checkerboard rendering of 2 times 1080p (ie. 2k). The extra 1.8Tflops of the Scorpio is not going to double that but people still seem to believe the Scorpio will be able to do native 4k with ease for ALL GAMES...

[thisgamer503]

An extra 1.8 tflop? That'll likely get them an extra whole 1080p worth of resolution considering it's essentially a whole extra ps4 gpu. Assuming of course the CPU can feed the gpu fast enough