Michael Pachter: PS4 Pro’s Price Puts Microsoft In A Hole With The Scorpio

The PS4 Pro reveal is generally considered to have not gone down well, with the console's disappointing specs and functionality, and with its poor on stage demonstration, having been considered to be a bit of a letdown by most fans.

[Neonridr]

well if the Pro is $349 by next year, than a $399 price point by MS for the Scorpio is fair assuming they bring more tech to the table.

[gameseveryday]

It will be interesting to see how much MS will charge for Scorpio. According to my knowledge and please correct me if am wrong on this, no console has sold well if it has be priced at $499. The Scorpio needs to be launched at $399 if MS has any chance of outselling the Pro.

[XXanderXX]

Didn't PS3 sale for 600.00 dollars

[2pacalypsenow]

Yep $499 and $599

[Kribwalker]

@xxander the PS3 floundered at $600, it started selling well when it dropped the 40gb $399 model

[2pacalypsenow]

@Kribwalker

it actually sold ok for being $600, it had over 3 million sold in just 3 months after launch but it didn't really take off until the price drops in 2007

[XStation4pio_Pro]

sorry. i disagree. i would pay more for a more powerful console. i was already expecting to pay $500+ for Scorpio. I pre-ordered the PS4 Pro as well already and to be honest - i would have paid more for the Pro to have it be better than it is because I'm a bit underwhelmed after its announcement. I still ordered it because its going to be the best Playstation but I feel Scorpio will ultimately be the superior console hardware that I want (unless sony comes out with say ps4 ultimate... who knows).

I think if Sony and MS are going to have tiered consoles then they should let the high-end ones be a bit more pricey. Theres still a lower cost option for those that don't want to pay or don't need the upgrades. A lot of people either say the PS4 Pro isn't necessary or it isn't powerful enough to do what people expect from it - so just make it more powerful and charge more for it. The people that want the upgrades will pay for it. Its certainly better than wanting the best console and still compromising to make cost priority when there are less expensive options to choose.

[badz149]

I think the Pro's 399 was a bit too low for MS's liking. most of us were expecting 459 to 499 too before the reveal.

Sony, again, dropped a megaton 399 in MS's face! they can easily dropped it even further when the Scorpio comes and it will be an even harder sell for MS!

no UHD drive is what it takes to reach it but Sony surely is not gonna give MS the room for breathing. price is a huge factor. Sony sees UHD drive as a non-crucial part of the equation and gamble without it.

I hope the Pro does well and continues the PS4 tradition of owning the Xbone in sales so these moviephiles that suddenly appeared after the S can shut the F up about UHD BD already! Sony already shut them up with their free HDR updates!

[darthv72]

$499 is not a bad price. Hell I was used to paying more for the 3do and neo geo but those were different times back then. The PS3 at $499 was the 20gb model without wifi or the media reader like the $100 more 60gb had. If the 60gb had been $499 and the 20gb been $399 before they made the revisions then things probably would have been much different for the PS3 launch.

[Wallstreet37]

Ps3 was 600 plus and outsold xbox360 world wide almost every month once it was released. Difference is Microsoft isn't Sony and don't have that type of pull.

I agree though Sony has put Microsoft in a bind, being that pro is 399 at launch and could be 350 by next year Microsoft has to try to come as low as possible if not they won't survive. Fanboys saying Microsoft put Sony in a corner with Scorpio announcement of a system two years away lol other way around. Sony has kept to their plans and pro is selling in the top on Amazon lists so I'm sure it'll sell well.

Kribwalker...

You have no idea what your talking about lol

[nix]

People need to remember that PS3 came out with 600 n 500 tag but it sold well because it's PlayStation brand. It sold well throughout its life as the price came down and even beat 360 who had a year and more than 8 millions headstart. PS4 is around 20 millions ahead this time and both Xbox 1 n PS4 came out around the same time. Imagine how lucky MS was because PS3 was delayed. A year or two into Scorpio's life ps5 announcement will happen.

As for the games, well MS will be mostly depending on 3rd party games with better graphics with Scorpio just like during 360 days.

[Eonjay]

In your honest opinion, what makes you think that the Pro was not well received by fans? That it was immediately attacked by opposition and their bloggers? How do you know this? And how do you define fans? We know you aren't a fan. To me it seems like you are trying to create an air of resentment where none exists. I have heard a lot of positive reactions from fans. And most professional publications seem to agree.

[ZeroX9876]

Price didn't stop some to buy the PS3 with it's ridiculous launch price.

When your product is good, it won't make a difference if it's a bit more powerful or not than the competition. PS1 VS N64, PS2 VS Xbox VS Gamecube, 3rd party games on PS3 VS 360. Each of those generation, Sony proved they could deliver a great product.

The PS3 since release has 1 whole year behind the 360, PLUS had an insane launch price and it still managed to overpass it in the long run. So if MS deliver a great product, it's going to be selling like previous generations did.

[NewMonday]

@Neonridr

even $500 for Scorpio is optimistic and only if Microsoft want to take a loss.

- the lower GPU prices this year come frome the die shrink, Scorp will still use the same 14nm proccess, so the bigger Scorp GPU will still be more expensive than the 4Pro GPU next year.
- the RAM is more expensive on Scorpio
- the CPU will be more expensive
- the UHD BR player is more expensive
- all of these components will generate more heat so will need a bigger case and more expensive cooling.

[XanderZane]

Anything $400-$500 I would definitely pay for the Scorpio. It'll probably be almost twice the power of the PS4 Pro, so it will be well worth it. Like the original XBox One, the PS3 was weaker then the XBox 360 when it launched and cost $100 more. This gen, it's just the opposite. For now anyways. I wouldn't get the PS4 Pro until 2 things happen. 1. I get a UHD 4K TV with HDR10 support. 2. Sony releases the PSVR with a bunch of games.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

Xbox Scorpio will reportedly have Zen architecture and new Polaris - or - New Vega line cards.

Now you don't have to be a genius to know that such fast adaption of a new technology generally comes with higher price in its first year,...especially when your console is promising native 4K resolution with more than 6Teraflops.

I will be really surprised if Xbox Scorpio comes out for anything less than 449$. Or they would be taking much muuch less profit selling them at 400$.

Not to mention the price will be jacked further because Xbox Scorpio WILL come with a blu ray drive.

[kraenk12]

MS is never going to best Sony at their own game, sorry.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

I'm going to have to agree with Pachter for the second time ever. There's going to be a twelve month gap and Sony's hardware lead and library of exclusive games is going to continue to grow, while Xbox One S sales slow and stagnate while some wait for the Scorpio. Microsoft made a strategic error announcing the Scorpio this early.

[Spenok]

Considering the target specs for the Scorpio, keep dreaming on seeing it anywhere near the $400 price point. MS has even said the console is considered a premium one, which means it will be on the more pricey side. If you do the research on the tech they're wanting to put into it, it could EASILY cost $1000 or more. Although MS wouldn't be that naive and short sided, so they will definitely eat some of the cost to help it sell better. However it will still be at LEAST $600. I honestly expect more.

[babadivad]

@XXanderXX

No, it didn't "sell" at 600 dollars. It "sold" once the price dropped.

[Godmars290]

As the XB1.5 its going to be at a disadvantage priced above $400 if only because the competition will be that price.

More to the point if MS can't justify it's existence with titles that are playable on the XB1. Nevermind their poor support in general.

[andibandit]

For the ones arguing the PS3's case:

PS2 has stopped production and final sales stopped at 155 million.
PS3 may still be in production and total sales are somewhere between 80-90m, but lets just say they reach 100m by the time they stop production.

Heres the point:
If your newest iteration of your flagship product sells 50% less than it's predecessor, YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG

Dosn't matter if your competition is doing shitty, you're basically saying
"hey atleast we are better than sh*t"

[Perjoss]

With the specs MS are talking about they will have to sell at a loss to compete, unless they are happy with selling an expensive console that has a small install base.

[blitz0623]

Given the specs of the Scorpio, $399 is a longshot and if they do decide to sell it at that price point they will be selling it at a loss despite it being 1 year later. IMO Sony is already pushing it at $399.99 for the PS4 Pro given its specs. Scorpio should be able to run most current gen games at native 4k/30 and even 4k/60 on some others. $399.99 would be a great price for it, but I expect it to be AT LEAST $449.99. I think the most realistic price is $499.99 but you never know what 12 months can do

[Thatguy-310]

Haha if the Xbox one launched at 500$ what makes you think the Scorpio which is a lot more powerful will launch at a cheaper price? Keep in mind that this machine also has to do 4k with no compromises so a 400$ price tag is out the wimdow.

[Neonridr]

tech prices have fallen since the XB1 launched. It's like how is the Pro which has a GPU that is over double as powerful cost as much as the launch PS4?

[Thatguy-310]

@neonridr
Again the console has been said to do 4k native uncompromise. No way will it launch at 400$

[darthv72]

well let's put it this way. Seeing as the Pro is launching at the same $399 price the initial PS4 did 3 years ago... the Scorpio should not be any more than what the initial XB1 did as well. Meaning the price could be the same $499.

@oreo, it may be wishful thinking but it's not unheard of. MS makes their $$ from software. Hardware is generally (not always) sold at a loss. Just have to wait and see.

[DeadlyOreo]

Lol. I genuinely can't believe people think that Scorpio is going to release at less than $500. How on earth is Microsoft going to make any profit when it's rumoured capabilities would likely cost far more than $500?

Sony has the clear advantage here with their affordable price, Xbox One Scorpio will be just an option for the hardcore.

Lmao at the disagrees, Xbox fanboys with their wishful thinking.

[CryofSilence]

There is no way either the PS4 Pro or Scorpio will do uncompromising 4k gaming. Even the GTX 1080 can't do uncompromising 4k gaming, a $750 GPU. Both will likely upscale or drop detail/frames.

I expect Scorpio to launch between $450 and $500.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

I can't believe some people actually believe that Microsoft is going to sell this 4k gaming machine for less than $500. They'll be lucky if the games don't end up being upscaled just to keep the price down.

[Kyizen]

If it launches at $499 it is doa. UHD bluray players will be cheap and the PC videocards that do 8 tflops now will be even cheaper. So a killer exclusive would be the only reason id be interested in it.

[FamilyGuy]

With all the crap they're talking about native 4k it better not have any upscaled games either.

Comparing the price to lauch X1 is incorrect logic though, it had Kinect 2.0 forced in that box raising cost. I think the Scorpio will be $500-$549

[Soulrakk]

Tech pricing is down and it's a year out. $399 isn't that far fetched to be honest. Besides, if anyone can take a hit, It's Microsoft.

[GamingSinceThe80s]

The $499 price was due to forcing Kinect on us,a useless,expensive,piece of tech,I still have mine just to remind me not to be an early adopter aka "Sucker" next time around.

[Captain_Tom]

I can build a PC as strong as the Scorpio specs RIGHT NOW for ~$500.

By next year $399 in a streamlined console won't be hard for them to do. The question is if they will even bother, because they seem obsessed with profit now over marketshare (Even if they are barely profiting).

[neoandrew]

Well, maybe it won't be cheaper, but the parts get cheaper over time too, xone debuted in 2013, scorpio will at the end o 2017, it is 4 years, 4 years difference in price and performance.

[blawren4]

4k with no compromises will not likely occur this or the next generation. Devs keep putting more detail into the visuals that consistent 1080p 60fps will still be a challenge. It took how many generations to get past 480p?, and in two we are trying to get to 4k. We need to slow down and focus on the games again.

[2pacalypsenow]

An underpowered consoles with a kinect in 2013 was $500 you think a beefy console with that much power will be $399? If they manage to do this than ill be impressed.

[badz149]

it's not the problem of whether they can manage or not but rather if they are willing to or not. this is MS we are talking about, they have money to throw away.

[2pacalypsenow]

They have been throwing money at Xbox one for years with none to very little profit, I dont think MS can keep doing it without the shareholders taking action.

[nitrogav]

If they bring it out at $399 I might just buy one for the hell of it. Not a chance at that price unless they subsidised it heavily!. However, if it looks like a VHS recorder from the 80's again I will definitely pass 😃

[zb1ftw777]

Some things are an expensive development. Kinect was most definately expensive to develop. It pushed the price up way high.

Efficiency is key.

With the scorpio requiring much less r and d and the ui and software already in place, it should be quite a bit cheaper than xb1 launch.

[sampson3121]

hahahaha! thanks i needed that joke :) the console MS promised will retail at launch no less than $499, and personally i expect it to sell for $599.

[Neonridr]

ok.. well we can circle back to this next year to see how right you were. I guess you are conceding that the tech in the Scorpio will be far above what is found in the Pro?

[sampson3121]

Neonridr: "I guess you are conceding that the tech in the Scorpio will be far above what is found in the Pro?"

well that's a fact if it's actually made, still a yr away.

if the price of the scorpio is a "Premium price" then it will have a hard time selling.
I think sony may have just tricked MS into committing to making an expensive console when they leaked that they were making an upgraded console, pro.

go look at the pro vs pc version of Tomb Raider, not much difference, plus sony is using techniques so they can increase graphics and frame rates on the pro.
and then there's Horizon Zero Dawn ps4 pro https://www.youtube.com/wat...

$399, not bad eh?

[leeeroythe3rd]

400 price will be a break even or very slight profit for scorpio. Current amd video cards show... 1 year out will be possible. Microsoft just hast a recent history of higher target prices which hasnt shown to be positive

[starchild]

"go look at the pro vs pc version of Tomb Raider, not much difference"

Not much difference? Look again. The difference is obvious and significant to anybody with a working set of eyes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[Christopher]

It really all comes down to if MS can get that $399 price point. If they do, then I think it's a pretty even wash. PS4P (still hate that name) gets a head start and limits 'how much more powerful' the Scorpio is while the Scorpio will come out eventually, be more powerful at a similar price to PS4P now, and there's nothing Sony can do about that.

[UltraNova]

Sony is 20 mil plus ahead , have the bigger and arguably the better game library(by far and by next year it will get bigger and better), PSVR will be in full swing and possibly discounted in a year and they will afford to drop the Pro to 350 bucks just before the Scorpio comes out.

Meanwhile, logic dictates that the closer we get to Scorpios's release the less xb1 s will be sold. Probably as soon as January owards.

Lets not forget that Scorpio could very well be MS's next gen console. How on earth will they ever compete with the PS4/Pro if they dont drop this gen?

Yet...
"...and there's nothing Sony can do about that."

Actually Sony doesnt need to to anything other than drop price here and there and boom! What the hell are you smoking dude?

[extermin8or]

They are unlikely to hit what they reckon it can do for that price even in a year though....

[blackblades]

Either they price it at $499 or price it at a lowering price and lose profit.

[TankCrossing]

Crossing my fingers that Microsoft (or anyone else) go for a proper premium enthusiast product, and that wouldn't come cheap.

They would definitely lose out on sales, but they'd win my heart. And that should be their number 1 priority.

[Masta Kaos]

$399...?? I wonder what you smoking...If Scorpio can be sold on that don't you think Sony would have went for the same power ?? Think!!!

[stuna1]

This ^^^^!

A hardware company that doesn't research hardware present and future is no hardware company! Sony knows the game. Just look at their TV's for a example. Many complain of the prices, but look at the tech in them! And yes their top model TV's are classified as some of the best on the market.

Now look at most tech in consoles that are already 2 to 3 years behind current tech plus the depreciated value that come with it, most with common sense would get this! Yet we have Microsoft talking about using tech from the same year their console is releasing in! Come on people really can't be that dense to believe Microsoft will or, is willing to sell the Scorpio for less than $500, and those poor unfortunate souls who truthfully believe there's a chance of it releasing for $399, well there's a better chance of Hell freezing over.

No one ever pays attention to the catch phrases these companies throw out there! Like "Premium", "Most powerful ever built","The best visual floating point ever"! My personal favorite.

Earlier I was in the process of commenting on two articles, and right in the act of making a comment,, not one but both of them were immediately failed.
The first one was a PlayStation article, it was about Sony having the ability to update the PS4 Pro Blu Ray drive to play 4K Blu Ray disc. Of course the usual suspects were there to voice and find any for it not to be true, but then again what leg would they have to stand on concerning the Xbox S having a 4K Blu Ray drive and the PS4 Pro not having one? It would have meant that the infamous chalkboard would have to be gotten out of storage.

The second failed article was about the Scorpio making use of the Zen chip in it architecture, which Microsoft never said it would, but somehow that rumor became a fact! Because you know who you are said so! Anyway the chip supposedly won't be out until 2018 which would or could mean 3 things!

1) It was never going to be in the Scorpio to begin with!

2) Microsoft would have to delay their launch window. Which would be very bad, or even disastrous to say the least.

Or

3) Microsoft is going or, was going with another chip to begin with?

Either way it obvious their are already setting themselves up to be disappointed, and possibly have to flip the chalkboard over and use the other side!?

@Neonrider

Open your eyes and realize that the tech would not have been on the market for a year, let alone 6 months! Not only that every form or bit of technology depreciates at different rates! Prime example look how long it took Sony to do a price cut! And although it could also be applied to how quick the Xbox 1 had a price drop, it has been well established that the Xbox 1 was also using older tech than Sony. Example : the different Ram
and Microsoft still sold at a higher price than Sony for what some might say was inferior tech, but Microsoft is touting to have something as extremely powerful for a console in Scorpio!!! Do you really believe they are come out practically giving it away? And it would be considered giving them away once you factor in the financial hit they would take.

Scorpio will not be less than $500, plain and simple! Premium by definition means the best, and is associated with a hefty price!

[Neonridr]

It's the tech world. Open your eyes. In a year how much have prices come down?

[FamilyGuy]

Scorpio is going to be $500, $549 or $599
In no world or scenario will it ever be launching at $399.

[starchild]

I bet you're wrong. Scorpio will cost somewhere between $399 and $499, mark my words. We'll return to this and see who's right once they've announced the price.

[XanderZane]

Patcher's been wrong before. Actually he's been wrong a lot, so most will take what he say with a grain of salt. I see gamers who don't own a PS4 at all getting the PS4 Pro. I don't see anyone buying the PS4 Slim if you already own a PS4. Hardcore gamers who own a PS4 will probably make the jump to the Pro, but casuals will be satisfied with what they got.

[fllysurfer]

No way in hell is the Scorpio going to cost $399 with the announced specs… sorry but to suggest that is to be totally clueless.

[starchild]

No, clueless are those who think it will launch at more than $500. Those people have zero understanding of the graphics hardware market or the workings of the videogame industry in general.

It's similar to how so many people thought the PS4 and XB1 would play most of their games at 60fps. I told people the vast majority of games would run at 30fps on both consoles and I was vociferously disagreed with and downvoted, but with time I was proven correct. And there have been many cases like this over the years. I've realized that many people simply lack the insight or understanding of the games industry to make accurate predictions.

All these $599, $699 and $799 price predictions are baseless and will be proven wrong in time.

[yeahokwhatever]

it would be pretty impressive for MS to take that big of a hit on scorpio to compete.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Unless MS is planning on eating over $100 a console, I don't see how $399 price point is feasible for the given scorpio specs. Or if the cpu is the exact same as before.

[leeeroythe3rd]

Rx480 is 200$ gpu that is near spec of scorpio... 400 is very doable for large run manufacturing and still have profit. Especially 1 year from now. Total cost will be in 300 to 350 range max by release. Fanboys dont want to pay attention to real numbers and markets of scale... good luck with you beoken dreams of japanese ruled gaming world

[iTechHeads]

Scorpio will be $499 at the least, assuming it actually releases by the end of next year.

Currently the 1TB Xbox One S is $349. Do you really think you're getting a 6TF console for only $50 more? Don't be delusional.

[shiva1]

But would 1tb x1s cost the same after one year? Could it fall $50 or more by then. What would the cost of same UHD be after one year? Same or doubled or 50%discounted? Its the same player nothing changed and as it was sold only through microsoft, could microsoft get it for an even cheaper price. Ddr5 ram may be first to microsoft but it came on a console in 2013 would it still cost the same next year?

Let say: When i am buying 1gb ddr5 it could cost $1, but would it cost $12 for 12 gb? Wont it come for a lil cheaper price and because im buying it in bulk it could come for even cheaper price. What about the same thing after 4yrs. It just comes in different shape/size. It will cost more if next year they discontinued the standard ddr5 with much higher frequency ddr5. That could pose problem for microsoft.

Ps4 pro lower price at $399 with same ram, disc drive, powersupply, software but with different cpu/gpu and circuit board is costing the same as PS4 after 3yrs.

[Babadook7]

$299 vs $499 would be believable.

[ITPython]

Unless MS wants to lose money on each sale, no way a 6+TF machine with a UHD drive is selling any less than $550 or $600.

[SmielmaN]

Accidentally disagreed. I agree

[Aenea]

If they can manage it for that price. Maybe they are willing to take a hit on the console for a year or two tho.

[ITPython]

Doubt it, that's just not how MS works. Sony have usually always been the ones to take a hit financially because they were looking at the bigger picture and knew it would benefit them in the end. MS hasn't done this once with any part of their Xbox franchise that I am aware of.

[mark3214uk]

to achieve the specs they have quoted they will have to put decent hardware in and that will cost $$$

so i cant see Scorpio closing any gap between the ps4 and them, esp as ps4 will be 40m+ ahead by then

[Captain_Tom]

Next year PS4 Pro will drop to $299 right before the X2 launches. I am not sure what they will price the X2 at, but it will likely be $399 - $449. Imo the price increase and lack of games will make it DOA.

[S2Killinit]

I love how they say Pro's specs are a let down. The only reason for it to be a "let down" is by comparing it to the claimed specs of a console that is not in existance yet.

Whats more the PS4Pro is actually a bigger graphical leap compared to consoles of in existence than the scorpio will be when it releases. So wouldnt the smaller graphical increase in the scorpio be a bigger "let down"?

[blawren4]

This is why we simply shouldn't try to make consoles into PCs. Console buyers just aren't willing to pay for performance.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

No way scorpio will cost less than 499.

[RomanPSX]

The scorpio will realease at 499. Same price as the xbox one. Thats why they are waiting a year for the tech to be more affordable

[OB1Biker]

Read this first paragraph with Palpatine's voice haha

[TheCommentator]

Pachter endorses the Pro? It's official then, the Pro is doomed. Pachter is never right about anything, lol!

[extermin8or]

Whilst he annoys me, he is actually right about alot. Sometimes he gets it wrong but usually the stuff he gets wrong is so out there it's like "wtf is wrong with you" as soon as you hear it. "that's clearly not correct" this isn't one such statement lol

@the commentator: he is more wrong that right but he's often halfway there or close to the mark he's usually close when it comes to sales related stuff once we know prices etc. Like he was right about digital making up about 25% of sales. He was wrong about when ps4 pro would release abd how much it'd cost. Sony are in a strong position -come next year they can cut the price of both ps4's 50-100 dollars and be sitting pretty with a big install Base and their first party exclusives only available on their console. Microsoft.... Well why buy and xbox Scorpio if you can get a pc and still play the exclusives??

[TheCommentator]

I actually don't think the Pro is doomed, it's just not everything some of us were expecting, and I think usually Sony does a better job than they did with the Pro reveal.

I disagree with you regarding Pachters abilities when it comes to video game predictions though. I think he's more wrong than right.

[boing1]

He nailed it this time though.

[Christopher]

Pretty much my first thought.

Edit: And that thought is full of snark, which I think most people are doing as well hearing this from Pachter. The guy is known for two things: making really bad predictions and making predictions that everyone already knows will come to pass.

[TheCommentator]

Yeah, it was definitely intended to be more of a dig on Pachter in this instance. Sony will be fine, in spite of all the negativity they've been recieving around here and on the web. I know I'm guilty of some of the negativity, but I honestly don't feel that the Pro is doing enough to make a big difference. I'm more interested to see if some of the PS4 games will opt for better quality at 1080p, rather than pseudo 4K, before drawing any meaningful conclusions about the subject though. Potential PSVR enhancements also pique my interest.

[thejigisup]

dagnabit

[Tussin187]

Just reading the description on this page makes me cringe. Disappointing specs and functionality. What the hell did people expect this system to do especially when its coming out this year at $400? Does it not play games? Connect to the Internet? The power button doesn't work? I'm so confused. And no I'm not going to read the article and give this site clicks. I already know the reasons because this is the 857th article saying the same sh!t.

Many people must be disappointed especially the ones on Amazon and various other outlets. /s

[extermin8or]

Really I'm not disappointed. Few months back everyone was slating the whole premise for they believed making their ps4 obsolete and making them upgrade. Sony haven't done that. They've given an option of slightly better graphics/performance but essentially we haven't jumped a generation. If we had they mightier even sold it breaking even/at a slight loss for the first 6months-a year because it future proofs it slightly and makes that initial userbase you must build easier to acquire. This isn't a new generation so that's not what was going to happen.

[Tru_Ray]

The lack of UHD Blu Ray drive is pretty disappointing. I personally enjoy watching movies as much as playing video games. I thought that the UHD Blu Ray drive would be a given in the PSPro.

Since I am PS/PC gamer, I now have to consider shelling out $300 plus dollars for a UHD Blu Ray player. It would have been nice to have this feature included with the Pro

With that being said, I still have a PSPro on pre-order because my PS games actually look slightly inferior on my 4K display than they did on my 1080p display. Also, I have the PSVR on pre-order as well, so I am looking forward to having the best possible experience on this peripheral.

I am not thrilled about having to fork out an additional $400 for a "mid-gen upgrade", but nobody is forcing me to do so I can't really complain.

Tru_

[DarXyde]

Agreed entirely. At first, I didn't quite understand Sony's approach with Pro. Then you realize that Sony is really trying to stay within the realm of this generation. Truthfully, Sony isn't pressuring anyone to upgrade and I like that. Since all PS4's are HDR-capable now, the difference is power and exclusively that. It took me a while to really understand Sony's choice, but it's actually a pretty good one.

Pro is designed with the PS4's parameters in mind. No extra RAM, no new UI, and the components are familiar. Because it doesn't overpower PS4 by crazy standards, it's still affordable and clearly a part of this generation. And suddenly, the power difference makes sense. If this was super powerful hardware, we'd never see developers taking full advantage of it. You'd think it'd be constrained by the PS4, but not really. Many of these principles do apply to Scorpio as well, but price remains to be seen.

But I will say that Sony would've done well by actually doing something about the CPU. It's very likely to still be a bottleneck concern.

[2pacalypsenow]

They want 4k/60fps for $399

[GNCFLYER]

Yep. They made the PS4 as a games first device. And people loved them for it.

They did the same with pro when u think about it. Games first and foremost.

I think its pretty sweet deal. 399 for 4k gaming box.

[shiva1]

You must be really happy that finally stable 1080p 60fps is real for all games and ps4 pro nailed that target with the specs it has.

[Mr Lahey]

"considered to be a bit of a letdown by most fans."

LOL what..?

[King_Lothric]

Is gamingbolt. What did you expected?

[G20WLY]

Well, it's that idiot at Gamingbolt again, isn't it? He either has no clue what people really think or (more likely) prefers to make up what he'd rather was true and then peddle it as 'news'. >_>

[SmielmaN]

Ya I'm not letdown at all really. I preordered it as soon as I saw it went live on Twitter.

My holidays will be me eating lots of turkey while playing batman VR and rigs in my man cave.

As far as the UHD BR goes, while it would be nice if it had it, I haven't made the switch yet to 4K so it's no big deal to me. The TV I would want is around $5,000 here in Canada and my current TV was he Beaton the market when I purchased it. It's still awesome so I just see no reason to upgrade. Plus, my 2 year old love touching/poking the screen so I'm not jumping at the chance to give him a state of the art TV to smear peanut butter and chocolate milk on XD

[Razputin]

I don't think the price point really matters. I think the tables have flipped in Sony's favor this generation substantially.

Sony has had the advantage with more exclusives and better performance, were the 360 did in the previous gen.

Now Sony is doing what Microsoft also did last gen with releasing a slightly inferior competitor but earlier and at an average price point.

I think this was the best move. I love my Xbox One, I'll be getting both a PS4 Pro this year and a Scorpio next, but Sony is just killing it with the exclusives.

And for the simple fact that all games are marginally running better on the PS4 is a plus too.

[CBaoth]

That's what the 360 did better; play multiplats better, for the most part. Now the shoes on the other foot. While better is subjective the amount of exclusives on the PS4 is not. Sony has outpaced MS in first party content . Having both and being a hundred bucks cheaper at launch doomed the One against the PS4.

What's funny though is both companies got into trouble when they allowed multimedia to interfere in the design process of a gaming console. MS gained traction last gen by just focusing on gaming. DVD be damned. Sony was the one who wanted an all in one media hub. This gen it's the exact opposite. Die hard fans for some reason can't understand this.

I was ready after the PS4 Pro reveal to come on here and eat a little crow on Sony giving up the ghost of physical media. Instead it was Xbox fans gloating that the Xbox 1 Slim and forthcoming Scorpio have UHD movie playback and condemning the Pro for not! I own nearly 300 blu-ray movies/TV series. Dirty little secret, I rarely watch them. I just end up streaming shit cause I'm lazy. And when I do watch a movie, I never put them in one of my consoles/PC. Don't like wear and tear from the constant spinning of the disc. I own a 4K set. I watch Netflix, Hulu, and YouTube4K straight from the TV. Why turn on a system at all to watch TV?

So going all the way back to 2006's argument, physical media is dead. Streaming is the future. I'm glad Sony is keeping the price low of the Pro by omitting UHD blu-ray. The current selection is shit anyway. Seems kinda pointless right now. Maybe in a year when Scorpio drops and UHD library is more robust it'll make sense.

[DigitalRaptor]

It's true.

If we're comparing, the XB1 is already struggling next to the PS4. Why do people think that a cheaper almost as powerful console launching a year in advance with impactful exclusive games and strong developer support is somehow going to struggle on the market and let Scorpio run away with the good will of the majority of gamers? Then there's the lack of common sense about what the amazing image clarity outputted via Sony's hardware-based checkerboard rendering will bring to native 4K displays, as if there is a reality where cleverly dubbed "Faux-K" is not almost as visually impressive as native 4K.

Then there's the gamechanging benefits you get from standard 1080p screens with extra graphical detail and absolutely incredible image quality from supersampling (something only previously seen from PC hardware), in addition to HDR, and increased frame rates if a developer choses to make that an option. The ones downplaying this, as expected, are the ones who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

I still can't believe Colin Moriarty and Kinda Funny are trying to convince people that the Scorpio is a greater leap over the PS4 Pro, than the difference between PS4 Pro and XB1S. I mean the amount of sheer BS and double standards that are coming out of Kinda Funny's PlayStation podcast is astounding. They're doubling down on misinformation, and from someone like Colin who is usually very astute and informed, this is just shocking. The gaming media is experiencing a unified brain fart right now, and the results of PS4 Pro on the market is going to prove just how ridiculous these people are being.

I still don't know how sources like GamingBolt are taking away from the reveal that the specs and gaming functionality of the Pro is "disappointing" or lacking purpose to the market either. The specs are the same as from the NEO leak that nobody was complaining about beforehand - not unless they're pushing an agenda to make a big deal about how it compares to Scorpio - a console 12 months away that Microsoft has told us barely anything about other than partial specs and in noticeable doublespeak, and will still be handicapped by its price and launch timing compared to the Pro, and with PS4 having more games, impactful exclusives and Sony generally having a stronger global brand with more support.

I'm actually looking forward to how both of these consoles do, and perform for the gamer, but let's be real.

[Lennoxb63]

The X1 is not struggling its selling at a normal rate for a console. What makes it look bad is that the PS4 is not. The PS4 is breaking records.

[godfire21]

if scorpio can be at a decent price, the ps4 pro will be in trouble. if the scorpio comes out at 500+ which many expect, people will look more at the pc side (after all most xbox eclusives will be on pc)

[extermin8or]

The ps4 will only have an issue if Sony can't get their exclusives out online next year. I suspect being the cynic that I am that gt sport delay will end up being a year long, and that it will be deliberately released at a similar time, I wouldn't be shocked if we see days gone just before and spiderman shortly afterwards.

[Tussin187]

Wow imagine all three of those coming out when Scorpio launches. That's would be crazy!!!

[extermin8or]

If I were Sony it's what I'd aim for and for naughty dogs next game to he announced and due 2018.

[Hedstrom]

I would be suprised if Scorpio launches for under 499$. But pleasently :)
I think the Ps4 pro is about +-0, maybe they make Some dollars on each sold. If you then add 50$ on the gpu and 50$ for the UHD player i think youre in the ballpark for what the Scorpio will cost.

[godfire21]

I doubt it considering the xbox one and they're pretty much putting in the equilivant of the 1060.

[Hedstrom]

Will be intresting to see what gpu it will be based on. I dont think they will switch to Nvida, and AMD with its current generation card doesnt fit the 6Tflops MS are talking about. Maybe an unreleased card (RX 490?)

[extermin8or]

http://www.dvdreview.com/20... interesting point about uhd.... I learned something.

[extermin8or]

@kneon yeah in a standalone player it'd need more ram to decode and play the data but in theory it could read it. But ps4's 8gb vram (ddr5) should be ample..

[rainslacker]

Not entirely accurate. While true that all BR drives should be capable of reading any number of layers, the reason some can't read UHD discs is due to the higher bitrate of the content itself. All lasers can read all layers, but they can't all read at the proper speed.

While I don't care to look up the specs of the PS4P to verify, from what I've read from potentially misinformed forum posts, is that the drive inside the PS4 is capable of reading up to 6X CAV. If true, then this article is correct, as it only requires 4X CAV reads to handle the current bitrate of UHD. It's also possible that some features of the UHD could be disabled on slower drives, and would likely mean you couldn't access some of the audio streams.

Sony designed the OGPS4 to use UHD when it released, but the change in the HDCP spec made it impossible, since the copy protection format required a change in the silicon on the system itself, namely the HDMI controller. Without anyone opening up the slim/Neo, it's hard to say if these new systems have the proper HDMI controller chip. Given the utter misinformation there is about the whole thing, I doubt we'll see it within the media, and it'll likely be in the realm of a reddit user who decides to crack open the system.

If the HDMI controller chip has hidden pins, it should be HDCP2.2 compliant. If not, we'll never see these systems support UHD.

As it stands, nothing else is preventing UHD compatibility.

I'm not sure if I accept that it's Sony Electronics that is keeping it off the PS4P/Slim. That is counter-intuitive to their overall goals with the UHD format, and it's a departure from Sony's normal MO of pushing new formats within the PS brand. It would make more sense if Sony has already given up on UHD, and instead wants to push streaming. For SCI, there is no reason for them to favor one format, but it makes more sense that they could offer both UHD and streaming and reap the benefits of both worlds, since Sony does have a stake in UHD, and obviously there is a market for it. Sony as a whole does not benefit by keeping UHD secluded to stand alones, as I feel the console and stand alone market are not going to overlap like they used to. Even the X1S won't benefit come this holiday, as sub $300 players are on the horizon, and by next year, sub $200 players are a given.

IMO, if Sony has included all the hardware, that they just don't have the feature ready, and may not be confident that they will by the time the Neo releases. If they plan it in the future, then both the Slim and Neo will likely be made compatible. They may be keeping the feature out for this holiday, but it's very possible to come soon....or maybe right around Superbowl time when there is a run on 4K TV's, and Sony may want to capitalize some extra console sales on impulse.

It is very possible that eventually it will be included

Without it, there is no reason for me to get one, and the longer they wait, the less chance I'd be willing to upgrade depending on where stand alone player prices come in. All I know now is that the X1S still isn't priced at a point that makes it worthwhile for me to upgrade just for UHD support, and UHD support is my only impetus for buying new hardware anytime in the near future.

[kneon]

You forgot the extra RAM. But the UHD drive will likely not be that much more expensive than the regular BD drive.

[vivid83]

that makes sense to me now good find

[corroios]

Patcher is saying is easy to understand. Without losing huge amount of money on each console they cant sell it at 399. We are talking new apu , new cpu, gpu, 12 gigs of ram, uhd drive and so on. Sony just overclock the same cpu, same memory and put a new gpu, no uhd to reach 399.

Now the pressure is even bigger and after a year they can cut theprice. Sony got a huge advantage. This holidays they are gonna sell like crazy.

[Kokyu]

The Ps4 Pro has the same GPU as the base it just has more unlocked cores and is upclocked.

[extermin8or]

http://www.dvdreview.com/20... on uhd... Thought this was interesting. I'm assuming they know their stuff considering its a specialist site...

[XanderZane]

So they didn't inlcude the 4K UHD Blu-Ray player because they want to sell more of their 4K UHD Blu-Ray players to the public and didn't want them getting the cheaper PS4 Pro instead? With the PS3 they marketed it as a Blu-Ray player first because HD-DVD was in competition with them. They didn't even market the PS3 as a game console. All their commercials for the PS3 was for movies. Once they won that war, they decided to market the PS3 as a game console. In any case. Gamers can now get a cheap $299 4K UHD Blu-Ray player in the XB1 S instead. Microsoft will most likely market the system with that in mind.

[Tru_Ray]

Very interesting if true. Now it all makes sense... Why cannibalize your own sales when there is no format war to be won?

Tru_

[extermin8or]

@Xanderzane well no format wars. I reckon years time when the new setup boxes have been out awhile they'll announce a patch.

[rainslacker]

I don't see how it would really cannibalize sales. The PS4P is priced the same or more than what stand alone players will be this holiday. There will be sub $400 options available this holiday, including the $300 X1S base model, so it makes no sense to give that advantage to your competitor, particularly when Sony does have an interest in UHD adoption....even if they're still hoping streaming will take off. Sony's movie studios are poised to make a lot of money off the UHD format, and Sony as a whole has a vested interest in making it a viable format.

Only way I can see them not including it for the reasons stated is if they actually are looking into abandoning the UHD market, but otherwise, I think they are just holding it back for the holidays, possibly to give some advantage to the stand alones, but I still think it's counter-intuitive to what would be reasonable to assume Sony is going for.

While there is no format war with UHD players...outside maybe Dolby Vision support, there is still very much a format war with the consoles itself, and it makes more sense for SIE to leverage the feature to help give added value to both the Slim and the Neo. OTOH, if they intend to sell expensive players, then maybe they'll think people will wonder why their stand alones are more or the same as their consoles, and be discouraged from buying them, but I think MS made it apparent these stand alone players are over priced, and if one pays attention, and really understand what's going on, they'll already know that stand alones are over priced to capitalize on the early adopter market.

[fatneal]

this is only half true...modern gamers are idiots who buy anything....remember this is the "$40 season pass" era...whatever price scorpio ends up being folks will buy because graphics and resolution and frames per second derp

[godfire21]

It depends, console gamers do not typically go high end like pc gamers. (which is why the upgraded hardware in pc will always be better.)

console gamers always like the better deal. and if scorpio is 100+ dollars more than the ps4 pro. does that turn the tide.

[fatneal]

is that a fact? explain the idiots who buy 1000 dollar tvs and 1000 iphones every year....console gaming is the casual market and they will buy whatever is hyped as the system with the best graphics

[Kokyu]

Pretty much gamers these days apprently are just swimming in money they love to give away.

[fatneal]

sure seems that way most of the time

[Barricade]

"The PS4 Pro reveal is generally considered to have not gone down well, with the console's disappointing specs and functionality, and with its poor on stage demonstration, having been considered to be a bit of a letdown by most fans."

That description is Gamingbolt at it's finest!

Dear Gamingbolt,

Please tell me who decides if the specs of a console are disappointing? Oh, you're comparing it with a console with a release date a year later, that's right. Let's compare snapdragon 810 w/ 4 GB RAM with a snapdragon 820 w/ 6 GB RAM (OnePlus 2 vs 3). Why would you upgrade any piece of hardware when there's always a better version next year?

When you look at the PS4 Pro without thinking about Scorpion, it's a good deal at a good pricepoint.

And don't speak in name of most fans, most fans are pretty erger to get their hands on that new hardware seeing as it's high in the pre-order charts online.

Yours sincerely,
Everyone.

[godfire21]

Already preordered and I'm excited for this, I don't own a hdr tv yet but the system is better than the original and not expensive at all.

[Wallstreet37]

Not to mention last I checked it was number two on Amazon's top sellers under video games , may have dropped but at least on Amazon it seems like a hot item :)

[dboyman]

Plus who is to say in maybe a 1 year or 2 Sony comes out with with a PS5 with specs that stomps Scorpio. I have a feeling something like that will happen...

[rainslacker]

Gamingbolt....in tune with the PS user base to know what they feel about things.....something never believed or even considered.

[EnigmaSG1]

"Disappointing specs" from a $399 box? You have got to be kidding me. I could not be more thrilled to go from 1.84TF to 4.2TF at essentially a nominal increase to price over the Slim.

To put that into perspective. The 1.31TF One S is $350 for their 1TB model. The 4.2TF PS4Pro is $400 for their 1TB model.

[godfire21]

It amazes me the suppose outrage but it is coming from non ps4 fans anyways.

[EnigmaSG1]

To add another perspective with maths... you are getting a minimum of 220% more power over the One S in the PS4Pro, at a hair over 14% more in retail cost 1TB to 1TB.

[Veneno]

A 499 Xbox can sell if it has the

[DragonDDark]

The wot?

[Veneno]

Exactly.

[Veneno]

A 499 Xbox can sell if it has the games but ONLY if it has the games. I believe this will be another expensive blunder by MS. Another opportunity where they could have taken all those millions of dollars and made great IPs and games or buy good studios and instead put it into the wrong investments.

They don't have to make an overpowered console, just one that 3rd parties can still develop for and put the rest of their investment in features and NEW IPS!!!!

[DGabos93]

I'm not sure on this, but did Sony officially say the PS4 Pro is the PS4 Neo? If not, I have a feeling that they may actually be releasing a Scorpio-equivalent console (Neo) next year. Thoughts?

[kraenk12]

They're not that stupid. Sony developed the Pro/NEO. MS heard it too late and decided to announce Scorpio which us nothing but hot air atm.

[BattleAxe]

Sony fan: "I love Michael Pachter, he's got an excellent record of being right all the time."

[Red_Renegade]

nobody ever says that. why lie?

[trooper_]

Said no one ever.

What he just mentioned was common sense.

[AizenSosuke]

A half-truth prediction, if the price the right yes PSpro can be the winner.

[Razzer]

Scorpio will be $550 to $600.

[KakashiHotake]

At $500+ the only way Scorpio will be able to compete with the Pro is the graphics will literally have to blow people away. The bottom line is people want to save money. They want to be able to have a high-end experience, without having to sell their car to do it.

[SethBrundlefly]

"Pachter noted that the Pro’s cheaper price and earlier launch might be enough to help it remain competitive against the Scorpio."

He "noted" that it (a real tangible object) "might" be enough against... a powerpoint slide.

Well done Mr. Pachter I guess?

[demonddel]

Wow you get flag for anything around here I'm scared to even comment on anything what's the secret

[Psychonaut85]

Microsoft and Sony both managed to sell their hardware at a small profit at the beginning of this generation. And while it's true that they make most of their money on software, the Scorpio is an extra option, and won't necessarily move much extra software (most will be upgrading their Xbox One and would have bought the software anyway). Which leads me to believe that they will be looking to make a profit on the console itself, making a less than $500 price point highly unlikely. I could be wrong though hopefully I am.

[Aclar00]

The problem i have with both Sony and MSFT is the mid-cycle upgrades. I personally dont care for them much as i think it will set a negative trend from here on out. However, depending upon the lifespan of this generation i think that Sony may have the upperhand.

Assuming this generation will be a lengthy 7 years (or less), that means we have at most 4 years (2020) until the next console gen. With that said, people who buy the PS4Pro are probably more likely to make a quicker jump to the PS5 than those who buy the Scorpio. That means that MSFT fans will have 3 or less years to enjoy the scorpio until Xbox Next comes out. Will there be people willing to upgrade so quickly, definitely, but will it be at the rate new consoles generally sell at? I dont know.

[Hotabang]

again pachter "news", again?

[Hardiman]

I just preordered my Pro and the clerk said everyone is trading in the PS4 for it and upgrading. Good times!

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

I see what's happening here....1st Xbox fans say the Scorpio is not a next gen console...it is part of the Xbox1 family...But more and more I see Xboxers talking like it is now just the PSpro going against the Scorpio for sales...As if the 40 million plus PS4 sales don't count...Clever the way Xboxers are having it both ways...well done....

[bradleejones]

Unfortunately Pachter is always wrong. I don't own or intend to own any Xbox, but it is what it is

[Aclar00]

P

[King_Lothric]

I think Scorpio is Ina very dangerous position because...

When it releases, it must provide a huge leap over the PS4 Pro with at least 15 TF to see a difference and to convince the consumer to spend a lot of money. If people said PS4 50% power advantage over the Xbox one was barely visible, then 43% power advantage of the Scorpio versus PS4 Pro is NOTHING.

And all this is without saying that the moment Sony sees any threat in the market, they will release the kraken PS5.

Checkmate!

[akaFullMetal]

No way the scorpio is releasing less than $500 ar launch!

[bicfitness]

"Most fans...." are not disappointed; they're the silent majority that have the Pro at #1 on Amazon and other retailers. The only whiners are sad, sad console warriors--you can guess which side.

[zodiac909]

DAAAMN MICHAEL!!! BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE OBVIOUS INFORMATION!!
I wish i got paid as much as this tool does for pointing out obvious things.

[PFFT]

Ohhhh Patcher. Its time for you to retire buddy. If the PS3 did fine at 599 in sure the Scorpio will do just fine as well.

[Sam Fisher]

God the man still has a job on saying the most obvious sh!t, what company is this i want to work there

[masterfox]

I'm 100 % sure that thing called Scorpio will be $499 or even more, MS is already advertising that console as premium merchandise and that only mean is going to be expensive!.

[ZeekQuattro]

Microsoft needs to bite the bullet and make the Scorpio affordable. The Xbox One got trounced when it was $500 by the PS4 and never caught up even after a steep price cut. If they go that route again with the Scorpio it be an even costlier mistake.

[leeeroythe3rd]

I was surprised by ps4 pro 400 price . Did not plan to preorder but at that price i feel its a deal. I hope microsoft does not try to extract much over same price... as it wouldnt expand the market at too high a proce

[InTheZoneAC]

here's what's going to happen

scorpio releases with lesser specs than advertised so far to keep it at a reasonable cost($400) or they take a huge risk in asking $500-$600, probably closer to $600 if we're to believe how powerful this thing is. And I'm curious to see how big this thing is going to be to keep it running efficiently.

[FastRedPonyCar]

If the scorpio launches at anything over $399, it's practically dead on arrival. The PS4 Pro will be cheaper next year and that will widen the price gap even further and the average consumer will not care about technical specs or terraflops and that kind of mumbo jumbo. They'll see both boxes do 4k and buy the cheaper one (despite the fact that the PS4 pro doesn't have UHD 4K Bluray support and the scorpio almost certainly will)

[Reaper29r]

So many pitiful fanboys here. First he's a hack. Now all the sudden he makes sense. First power matters. Now it doesn't. Make up your minds. Typical damage control people here. How do you define most fans were let down? By the tirade of comments on non Sony obsessed websites and even their own official website forums and FB page. Also there are loads of gaming publications ripping Sony a new one. Even on you tube, videos are popping up left and right telling you why it's a mediocre product. Man I swear you guy are a cancer to gaming, just enabling these companies to swindle you. Stand up for something decent. Demand a box with locked 1080p and 1440p 60 frames with mods, a UHD drive and a better network and some decent games that aren't overhyped and delayed just to be mediocre. That goes for both sides.

[HallowedSoul1]

Lol at Xbox fans even talking about scorpio being 399 lol just goes to show how illogical you guys are. Ms themselves admitted the scorpio will be a premium console yet Xbox fans are throwing around budget prices not premium prices. You guys will be lucky enough to get a 499 console and might get a 599.99. I really just don't understand some peoples thinking the scorpio is going to have all new technology in it yet you think ms will give it away at old technology prices. Ms are known to take losses for a good price point but 399.99 is ridiculous even for ms.

[Babadook7]

Well said as always Mr. Pachter. Jkjk. Pachter may actually be right this time.

[ChronoJoe]

I don't know how these articles can say things like a 'let down by most fans'.

Who have they polled to make this assertion? I would say there are people who are disappointed but a lot of others seem quite happy with it, especially with the price point. I think it's only comparisons to the Scorpio that lessen the impact but again, as other articles are staying, launching in 2016 is a huge benefit for the Pro. Sony will have other announcements at E3 2017 that can provide competition for attention over the Scorpio, but for now, the Pro is releasing considerably more powerful hardware for a very affordable price point. Painting that as a terrible move by Sony doesn't make much sense to me.

Could they have delayed it and made it more powerful than the XBOX ONE? Of course, but that doesn't seem like it would have been the smart move here. Launching a more affordable system earlier, has always been a winning formula. The Playstation 2 launched first within it's generation, and ended up being the cheapest out of its competition, and I think the XBOX 360 benefited a lot from its price point too which was lesser than the PS3. Being first to market, and the cheapest option on the market may not be as exciting as being the more powerful system, but its proven incredibly valuable in the past in regards to consumer appeal, and incidentally, that's what Sony are playing for.

[Chevalier]

The irony for me is all this chatter among the hardcore that are the minority vs the casual fanbase. My store has more preorders in the week alone for the Pro than the whole 1 1/2 month we had preorders open for the Xbox S. Yet here we have it down to fail apparently according to these individuals. How disconnected is that? It's number 1 or 2 on every Amazon website as well. By some kind of a fluke?! Yeah okay there.....

[lastking95]

I could see MS doing a 1tb $499 model with 4kdrive and a $399 500gb model without 4kdrive

[LastCenturyRob]

Why is this article up? Not one person outside of the MS heads know what the Scorpio price point will be!

[yeahokwhatever]

Sony and Nintendo are going to price Microsoft out of the console race entirely.

[Artemidorus]

If Microsoft can upgrade the graphics a little more and provide true 4k then watch the millennial hypetrain go in overdrive and people will ditch the Pro with it's throwaway attitude.

Still not quite three years and current consoles are already being pushed to the side.

[fllysurfer]

The so called console mid-teir releases should of been. Sony Pro(er) e Xbox One S(peedier). Next releases would be Sony Pro Plus(ish) and Xbox Scorio(stings). Where will the non-sense stop…?

[Artemidorus]

Patcher and Trollingbolt what a §hit combination.

They should be considered banned from this website.

[Grown Folks Talk]

By the time Scorpio actually releases, it may easily be feasible for them to release at $399 as well. Kind of depends on when production starts.

[Inzo]

WHAT!!!!!! Pachter said something negative about the xbox?!!!!

[Master of Unlocking]

For once I agree with M. Pachter. The only way MS could get out of that hole would be to accept to take a huge loss on each scorpio sold.

[Edito]

If MS drop the DVR Features maybe they can guarantee a 499 price tag i think, but again the problem will be with those o enjoyed the DVR features more that gaming...

[Donnie81]

I think the only thing xbox and PlayStation fans can agree on is this guy is a clown lol. The ps pro is gonna do great and so will the Scorpio. Serious console gamers will buy and enjoy both. I will!

[Donjune]

So now we like Pachter ? You girls kill me ijs!

[Deeke]

Michael Pachter, a PROFESSIONAL ANALYST, is comparing the PS4 Pro to Project Scorpio. Just...wow.

[DillyDilly]

I thought most of the time Patcher is wrong on here but I guess not when its something the die hards of a console agree on ?

[Tzuno]

If scorpio has full zen then even 450$ will sell it.

[objdadon]

Zen won't be out till 2018, scorpio will use jaguar

[Tzuno]

AMD Zen FX CPUs Set To Debut In Q4 2016, APUs In 2017

[NotAFanboyyy]

Sony understands that $399 is truly the sweet spot for powerful consoles. The Pro is going to sell amazingly well at that price. Given the power Microsoft has touted with Scorpio, I don't see it being any less than $499 to start, but of course gamers can hope the price is less when it comes next year.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I have no problem at all paying 500 for the Scorpio. He'll I paid 600 for my ps3 and I didn't even like the system all that much.

[Miacosa]

Agreed, if they can manage the same price point that would be awesome but most likely they will either take a per console loss or have a higher price at retail.

[fllysurfer]

Most people are not actually considering this but one this the Pro is meant for is to support PSVR (the original PS4 doesn't do a good job about it). That´s an $800 proposition or closer to $920 if you add in a camera and two move controllers.

[objdadon]

Lol, they didn't even talk about vr for the pro. What did you watch?

[fllysurfer]

They did but hardly at all… thats exactly my point.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

The 'Pachter Factor' YouTube show is very entertaining .

[Smokingunz]

That's bullshit and these guys know it! Boy these industey these Sony

[Smokingunz]

These analysts and industry Sony fans are silly. What a BS article. First of all the scorpio is entirely not just a beefed up terabyte x1 but I brand new system no matter how much Microsoft is kinda touting otherwise. The ps4 pro is BS compared to the scorpio. Not only is is pushing more teraflops but it will be a 4k hardware not just an hdr upgrade. That alone will justif the price of the scorpio. I rather have an expensive on par pc console that play true native 4k than an upgraded ps4 nuff said.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Pretend4K and no 4K Bluray player has that effect, along with launching with an overclocked launch PS4 CPU. The only reason Pro was put out is to run PSVR.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

Read the article . Pachter said PS4 Pro will be successful because the PRO will be available for a whole year before Scorpio comes out .