Can We Finally Admit Fallout 4 Was A Let Down?

It's timed to stop forgiving Bethesda for the sins of Fallout 4.

[KiwiViper85]

Written by a Sony fan... Fallout 4 is dumb, we didn't want mods anyway, thanks Sony.

[Ashlen]

The article doesn't even talk about mods.

I play FO4 on PC and I would say many aspects of the game are a letdown. Particularly the story telling and the fact the game shoehorns you into a role instead of letting you create your persona. And it's hardly like this is the first person to say the game was a letdown. I'm fairly certain the majority of people feels like this is the weakest of the Fallout Games with New Vegas being the strongest. (of the 3d Fallouts)

[EmperorDalek]

I still reckon New Vegas sucked, such a generic world.

[kneon]

The storytelling in Fallout games is always poor, I don't think Fallout 4 was that much worse than the others in that respect.

Though it is the only Fallout game I never bothered to finish, I just don't care how it ends.

[kreate]

nothing beats fallout 3 for me

[Vegamyster]

I prefer Fallout 3 over Vegas mainly because the world is more interesting to explore and i liked the DLC more, Vegas had a lot more choice in its story but a lot of those choices involved lots of fetch quests & back tracking.

[Kurt Russell]

Agreed. I also found exploration and side missions really flat in fallout 4. I've always enjoyed the series more for the exploration that the main campaign, this one was not so good. Maybe Witcher 3 ruined me by raising that bar.

[Zorkaz]

Woah! Dammit that's basically it's redeeming feature! Though I will have to agree that I did get bored quickly. I dunno what is was, it just somehow never ... ticked right. Wasn't engaging enough.

[mark_parch]

fallout 4 is an amazing game and is even better with mods

[Utalkin2me]

@KiwiViper85

Thats funny, cause what i read said not a word about mods. Thats reported as spam.

[sullynathan]

If you believe Sony fans are the only ones that don't like fallout 4,what we're you doing last year when it was compared to TW3?

[sho0ok]

Lol yeah, seems like it.

A game that has been lunched a year ago and was well received by gamers all over the world. As soon as Sony announced no MODs on PS from fallout, this game become no so good lol.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Yes. It was a bit of a letdown. Not a bad game, but just for it being fallout and how brilliant fallout 3 was I expected more.

[yezz]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Bansai]

New Vegas is light years better than Fallout 3 in my opinion. As for Fallout 4, yes, it was a disappointment, especially the dialogues and story, but I still somehow popped that platinum trophy. Probably because there were no other games in that time.

[Erik7357]

pipboy was amazing, combat is sure to be a staple in the future fallout series, menus were well designed because all icons were animated, crafting is also sure to be a standard for other fallout games, the dialogue system was flawed in some areas, but did greatly improve the cinematic compared to the last fallout games.Power armor was way cooler to have and followers we're better.

It may not be as good some areas compared to other fallout games but I wouldn't call it "disappointing" because it brings a lot to the table that I assure you future fallout games will carry on.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

In my opinion Fallout 3 is far better. Vegas was nice but I didn't got attached to the chars and my own char as much as I did with F3

[JamesBroski]

I personally prefer F3 to New Vegas (probably because it was all new and the wasteland was so fun to explore), but I really hope that Obsidian are going to work on another Fallout game with proper story and DLC this time.

[Armaggedon]

Im not sure why the dialogues are so shunned when is basically a very similar formula used by almost every major rpg , including mass effect, dragon age, deus ex, witcher, etc. It is very si ilar, yet people seem to hate it. Strange.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@armageddon

Did any of those games limit you to 4 options and railroad you to saying yes even when you say no?

There's a copypasta joke comparing dialogue systems that gets plastered all over the steam page for this game

A baby is drowning in the lake

Fallout 1:

Ask for more information

Agree to help

Decide not to help

Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest

Reveal too much information about yourself; causing Super Mutants to track your vault more easily

Fallout 2:

Ask for more information

Agree to help

Decide not to help

Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest

Pop culture reference about the baby

Fallout 3:

Yes, I will save the baby

Depends on the caps

I will not save the baby

[Intelligence] The baby is drowning

Fallout New Vegas:

I will save the baby

I will not save the baby

[Barter 30] Double the caps, and I'll save the baby

[Medicine 30] Thanks to my medical knowledge, I will easily be able to save the baby

[Survival 15/30] Uh... yeah; I totally know how to swim

Fallout 4:

Yes

No (Yes)

Sarcastic (Yes)

Maybe (Yes)

[babadivad]

I liked New Vegas as well. It was funny and well written. But the main reason I liked it is because there are monsters that could actually kill you. And death claws were TERRIFYING. On fallout 4[and 3] you could just tank anything. I have no fear of any monsters on this game. Even at level 10 I would walk through a sea of Deathclaws and mirelurks with no fear of death. It was so easy I had to turn the difficulty all the way up to survival[old] but still couln't be touched.

On New Vegas, Deathclaws had the ability to negate the damage protection of your armor. So if you got in a fight with 3 death claws, if you couldn't escape, you were likely going to die. It kinda made it seem like the waste land was actually a tough place to survive in.

I hope the Obsidian does another New Vegas type game. I like the upgrades done to Fallout menu system and storage containers. Just needs a better tuning. I think Obsidian is up to that task.

[JamesBroski]

Same here. And when I bought the season pass before the price increase, I was hoping to see quality DLC like Fallout 3 and New Vegas that would make the game even bigger and better, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Erik7357]

Fallout 3 dlc > new vegas dlc

[Paytaa]

The problem with Fallout 4 was the lack of role-playing elements and the god awful dialogue system. It should have built on the formula Obsidian crafted with New Vegas instead of streamlining the Fallout 3 one to just an open world shooter.

New Vegas had the writing, interesting questlines, great expansions, weapon variety, characters, and overall felt like a legit role playing game.

Fallout 4 is a great game, just not a great Fallout game. Won't lie that the hype didn't blind me.

[Armaggedon]

I couldnt even start playing new Vegas some reason.

[LAWSON72]

Yeah, the formula of NV is a copy and paste of 3 just a little more refined, however far less original

3 had okay writing (so did new vegas nothing to write home about), interesting questlines, fantastic expansions (IMO maybe the best), weapon variety, characters, and felt like a role playing game like other Bethesda games before it.

[immabadguy]

To call New Vegas a "copy and paste" of Fallout 3 is absolutely absurd. If you played New Vegas and compared it to Fallout 3, you would notice vast improvements in pretty much all areas of the game, esecially the vastly fleshed out storytelling, rpg elements, and player choice. I understand that Fallout 3 was many peoples first Fallout, which would make it their favorite, however to say New Vegas is a copy and paste and far less original than Fallout 3 is quite far fetched.

[Dasteru]

No. As someone who had beaten Fallout 3 and New Vegas 15+ times each. Fallout 4 was my favorite. Yeah it dumbed down certain aspects, but not to a boring extent. The gameplay in general was an improvement imo. Also the complete removal of a level cap is awesome.

[Ashlen]

Removing the level cap is fine except for the fact that they made stats pointless especially starting stats. On top of that there is little progression, have 10 in stats just pick the final skill not that anyone would do that because they basically put all the useful skills at the top of the tree anyways.

If anything the leveling is the least interesting of the games, there is no real need to have a build or plan anything out.

[Armaggedon]

Its simple, dont level up skils after a certain point. Just takes a bit of restraint

[Bigpappy]

I am at level 58 and built the intercepter . I find that most of us, who just emerged ourselves into the world and focused on taking care of those in the waste land, enjoyed the building and the relationshipsecond we got to develop. There are many things that I have done that felt very rewarding.
I don't want to give any spoiler's, but this game goes way deeper into the roles of groups like the brotherhood. I discovered everything on my own (no tips or cheats ). Things like finding the path to the railroad and decoding the chip were not too difficult but still rewarding.
The only expansion I have used , so far, is the Robot DLC. It has made the world more interesting and Cosworth is far more deadly since I upgraded him.

This game can be played for a much longer time than previous Fallout games. It has more content even without the DLC, and there are more RPG options.

[Elwenil]

I am currently at level 101 and have played all the DLC except for Nuka World which I have only just started. I played Fallout 3 all the way through several times and enjoyed just doing the beginning and going out and exploring even after that. I never enjoyed New Vegas. I tried to play it 5 or 6 times and never got very far into it. It just seemed very tedious and never held my attention.

Fallout 4 I have enjoyed a lot. I know a lot of people disliked the building features but I had a great time building defenses for my settlements. I did really hate the repetitive missions from The Minutemen, but disconnecting their radio tower and avoiding Sanctuary solved that for the most part. I liked the upgrade system and some of the new options there and while companions can be as big of a con as they are a pro, They, like a lot of the other controversial features of the game, are completely optional except for a few missions here and there.

At the end of the day I bought Fallout 4 and the Season Pass on release and I feel like I definitely got my money's worth. I am very disappointed about the mods for PS4, but will probably eventually pick the game up on Steam for PC once it's cheap. At level 101, I've spent a lot of time with Fallout 4 with my first playthrough and I am looking forward to playing through several more times with the different factions and endings. Compared to a lot of games at the same price point, it's been a great value and one of the highlights of this gen for me.

[Bigpappy]

Thanks Elwenil. I find that many people play Bethesda RPG''s because they hear others praising the game. The they start playing that the gamesame do not take you down the road at 150 mph. These games are for exploring, learning and deciding what you want to do and when. You choose how much and what you want to focus on. They have they own type of RPG''s which are NOT for everyone.
My advice to those who can't stand the slow and "boring " pace of these games or how they had left story telling, is to stick to the Witcher, Damon Souls, Final Fantasy... or whatever type of RPG you prefer.
Those are all good games, but for some reason Bethesda games keep growing there fan base

[KyRo]

People are just waking up to Bethesda? They've make some of the most broken "AAA" games in recent years yet continuously get given some of the best reviews in the industry. Yet you will all still go out and rave about ES6 then realise yet again they've released another broken game after you've already parted your cash.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

If it's a great game, why would I not buy it? If it has bugs, I'll just wait for them to patch them out. I still haven't bought Fallout 4, because I'm waiting for an edition with all of the content.

[LAWSON72]

That is because the formula they crafted with the TES series is innovative offering immersion on a whole other level and a unique open world RPG experience offered no where else. It is not just review sites that hold these games to high degrees. They are games so good that despite being technical messes people keep coming back for the experiences. They are in countless people's top games list and for good reasons. That being said it is on the decline and I hope TESVI or an obsidian Fo4 can bounce it back.

[EDKICK]

Except Fallout 4 wasn't broken, try again idiot.

[SolidDuck]

I liked fallout 4. I think the witcher 3 hurt it for me. I loved witcher 3, but even if u didnt. Animation, graphics, writting, and voice acting are not even in the same league. It just felt like fallout 3.5. The stuff they added with base building was more annoying than fun to me.

[Dan_scruggs]

Different strokes for different folks. I put a 150 hours into it and I know I'm not alone. And whenever the next Fallout rolls around everyone is gonna buy it anyway so who cares.

[SinisterKieran]

admit its not really a fallout game to me. but neither was fallout 3 or new vegas.
but fallout 4 is one of my favourite games with over 200 hours put into it.

[Kosic]

I played a ton of fallout 4 when it first came out. Probably 70 hours within the first 2 weeks.

And then I just stopped. No reason why, just gave up. Every time I try to pick it up I get bored instantly.

Fallout 4 was fun for those 2 weeks but I felt disappointed. I rushed in the panic to buy the season pass to not use a single piece of it. A larger disappointment for me.

[Aenea]

Same for me, glad that I waited with the SP tho, I would also never have played a single thing of it...

[Paytaa]

Did the same thing. Bought the season pass once I got the game at midnight. Played through Far Harbor for maybe 1 hour and never touched any of the other content.

Fallout 3 and New Vegas add-on content was so much better.

[Livecustoms]

It wasn't for me, i rather enjoyed it. Sure technically it was a mess but in terms of 'fun' which is why we play games in the first place i had a blast.

[EazyC]

It's a good game, just not a good Fallout game. I just pray they give the "ex-Black Isle" Obsidian team the keys to the next one. Fallout 4 feels like a theme park of Fallout in an adventure FPS, with little RPG and world-building elements.

[Aenea]

I kinda expected more actually, loved it tho for more than the first half of the story, loved it so much I almost bought the SP, glad I didn't since after a while I did get bored with it...

[Psychotica]

My wife and I both loved Fallout 3 but we got bored with Fallout 4 after about 40 hours or so.

[gamer1138]

Timing?

[Number_9]

I know right?

[Scatpants]

After playing through Witcher 3 right before Fallout it just looked and played bad and the writing and quest design was much worse.

[discobastard]

Please. Can we? An all out yawnfest troubled by terrible menu UI. Dated and average experience

[opinionated]

It took me awhile to get into but in the end I thought it was good. The season pass was garbage though, no excuses there.

[sdcard4gb]

Well, it was, yeah... But then again - the moment they tried to TES Fallout it was all coming to this.
Fallout 4 is LITERALLY Skyrim with guns.
Although no, scratch that, it is more like Fallout: Borderlands edition.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

No...I can't because it wasn't

[gazgriff2k12]

Ive put 50 days into this game not 50 hours " days" I brought the game for 45 pound. Im glad mods are not coming to ps4. Means when ive finished nuka world and a settlement or two. I can get back to my life

[TheColbertinator]

Fallout NV had more overall depth than F4. Bethesda has some good ideas but they need proper understanding of how Fallout works.

[InMyOpinion]

Scrap Simulator 4.

[FPS_D3TH]

It's not a great rpg but it's still an awesome adventure game and I play it similar to stalker. You make it into what you want it to be. I've enjoyed it despite its obvious flaws.

[Night99]

I just want finally a fucking complete edition of Fallout 4 I finally want to play this game the last DLC is out so Bethesda just reales this complete edition.

[monkey602]

It took me months to finish it. And not in a good way. I would have to force myself to sit down and play it because I felt guilty for spend 70€ on it.
At first I thought all the additions were going to be amazing. Crafting, companions and building but the game was just so damn boring.

[sullynathan]

Fallout 4 and fallout 3 share the exact same problems but because fallout 3 was people's first fallout, they ignore that.

[EDKICK]

Shares the same problems as Fallout 3, lol you say that like an insult. Shares the same (few) problems as one the most critically acclaimed games of all time. But you've been on here ignorantly spouting Fallout and Bethesda hate as long as I can remember so it's not surprising to see more stupid comments from you.

[sullynathan]

Fallout 3 has a lot of problems, not a few. It is clearly overrated by lots of reviewers just like Oblivion was. Fallout 3 was a bad rpg, had bad combat, had a bad story, had bad quests, bad graphics and everything.

[EDKICK]

Or maybe your in the small minority. Maybe it's possible you didn't like a good game. Oh My God surely that's not possible surely if you dislike a game then contrary to pretty much everyone else it sucks and your the only one intelligent enough to see it and everyone else is wrong. Your opinion is the real fact, heaven forbid a game is good and popular and you don't like it. Smh. What a narrow minded, condescending way of looking at things, get over yourself.

[sullynathan]

That doesn't excuse anything I typed.

[Bigpappy]

These people make be laugh. They think Bethesda games sell because of good reviews. The truth is they buy the games because of good reviews, not knowing it is really NOT for them.

How long has Bethesda been making these games now? Do people seriously think they need reviews to sell ES and Fallout games? LOL

[titans9999]

I don't understand all the hate......I love fallout 4 and I think it is the best yet! Great job Bethesda, I cant wait for the next one!!!!

[Armaggedon]

I dont think people give it enough credit. Those whose idea of a fun rpg is to go out and do your own thing, finding all kinds of cool things to create with, and role playing in their head will like this game. Those whose idea of a good rpg being world affecting choices, storytelling, etc, will be let down by this game. I know thats what I have always liked about Bethesda games: create my character and go out and find cool stuff like the broadsider.

[Armaggedon]

I can perfectly understand that people prefer other Fallouts and other games, but I just wish people would appreciate the effort they put into alot of areas and small details: Deathclaws and other dangerous enemies usually hide now so that you cant just mash vats until you see one(this adds a layer of fear to exploring further out), how your companions actually react when you do things, how basically every piece of junk you find in the game has a purpose now, the power armor ( once you get it in the other fallout games, you had no reason to change attire.)

[Armaggedon]

Is it lacking in some areas, yes, but a good game has to ahve a decent amount of focus.

[Antifan]

The simplistic dialogue and the lack of good story quest killed this game.

[Miacosa]

Yes, yest it was. Not a huge leap over New Vegas or Fall Out 3. I'm not including mods in the decision as that is the community and not the core game. So if the question is does a community possibly improve a game viewed as a let down then the answer would be yes but that's not question asked.

[MasterD919]

I am enjoying this game to this day. Sure, mods have greatly improved the amount of time I would have been playing it for, but still. It wasn't perfect, a lot of good systems were missing from FO3 to FO4 but still not an awful game by any means. Matter of fact, easily one of my favorites this gen.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed Fallout 4 for me right now is one of my most played games this generation with a little over a 150 hours.

I like Fallout 4 just as much as I like the previous Fallout games. I don't really get why people scrutinize Fallout 4 so much regarding some changes for me the entire series is kind of always been about leveling up ,exploration and fun side quest and interesting stories and I found the writing in Fallout 4 just as good as Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

[benz109]

Woah woah woah, Fallout 4 was not a let down in the slightest way. Bethesda put a lot of time and work into the game
and it shows. Personally I've put close to 600 hours into it and am still enjoying it and now playing through Nuka World.
Anyone know if they will do more big DLC? Anyways I'm still finding little things I like about the game, enjoying the
atmosphere, locations, weapons, etc.

My rating is 9.5 out of 10. Great job Bethesda.

[Lisica]

It was, because I couldn't play it. It was badly optimized for my not so bad AMD card.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Well even though Fallout 4 isn't as good as Fallout 3, it's still amazing. I got the platinum less than a month after launch. I'm actually in the middle of a second playthrough right now and I'm enjoying it even more than I did the first time.

[joab777]

Yep. But there's a caveat. It's a letdown because of perspective. First, hats of on settlement building. Could it have been better? Yes. But it's a great start.

The problem if that our expectations after last gen were much higher. This isn't a problem w F4 exclusively. This gen has seen incremental evolution in gameplay. It's the age of remasters and slight improvements. That said, more Fallout is like more Dark Souls, it's just better than most. Unfortunately, we are still waiting for this gen's wow moment!

Last gen had a few. Gears1, Mass Effect, F3, Bioshock, and Dark Sous to name a few. This gen, not so much. It should speak volumes that I've been playing ESO and just recently STO.

I still have hope, but it dwindles every day.

[hirobrotagonist]

I've put in around 200 hours and I'm still having fun. I don't see how it's a letdown. I got bored of New Vegas and Fallout 3

[mkis007]

I like it but, its not even close to FO3 let alone the King (New
vegas for me )

[Nacho_Z]

In retrospect yes it was a slight disappointment. Still a very good game though. I'd be happy to scrap settlement building entirely and focus more on making an interesting world. That was what felt wrong to me, the lack of memorable characters, quests and locations, it was missing a sprinkle of magic in that regard.

There could still be settlement missions, each one unique but with no building done yourself and no follow up filler missions. Quality over quantity next time please.

[DeadManMMX]

Yeah these 4 or 5 or so days of fun I've had playing it and all the improvements made to the formula since Fallout 3 made it pretty disappointing for me too. Honestly the more I play it the more I'm amazed something like it even exists. With all the combinations of things an open world how doing one thing before another changes the reactions and quest lines. Nothing about Fallout 4 feels downright broken, bugs occur from time to time but the game is a masterpiece that delivers a LOT of great entertainment and fun.

[Hysteria94]

I'm a massive fallout fan and have spent thousands on merch over the years and I even have a fallout themed tattoo which I've had for years but I really do think it was a let down and I felt betrayed by Bethesda because they dumbed down and stripped back the game just to sell to the casuals plus all the dlc ( apart from nuka world which I really liked) was a copy & paste job from either mods or previous games..

[Shinkus]

To each their own, I've played every fallout from 1 to now and 4 is my favorite game. It lost some things from the series and got things the old games never had.

[Redx165]

Its a bad Fallout game but a great game overall.

Still a must buy for next gen owners. Not many great games out at the moment and this will eat your time up.

[formanbradley]

I think most of us longtime fans already did, as soon as we saw there are basically no more meaningful choices to be made, we are told our characters history, and we have to hear their generic male/female voice.

[ramsay_bolton_1]

best fallout game ever : https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Yes, we can admit that

[Tru_Blu]

I had fun with the game but have to admit it never did wow me in any way. On my personal list of fallout games this one is at the bottom of the list.

[assdan]

Yep. I admitted it November 12, 2015.

[Excalibur]

Nope, loved every minute of it and still am.

[JamesBondage]

i was letdown after playing it for 2 weeks, it just didnt have the same desolate "you're all alone in a wasteland" kind of feel

[Spacemagic]

I liked it, got the platinum, but mostly because it's all the fallout I'm really gonna get. One of my favorite franchises and fallout 4 was the worst. Most of the rpg elements were gutted or so toned down, I feel like they Skyrim'd F4. No karma, stat points, branching dialogue, hell as bad as it sounds, even slavers were nonexistent in this game. The vaults were just another "town" instead of having a cool experiment on the dwellers (regardless of what the terminals said). Sure it had some cool parts, but it was missing a lot of what fallout is. (not even a GECK!) I still enjoyed it, but again it really was because I know it's all the fallout I'm getting for a while.

[TheSaint]

Still playing it regularly so, not to me.

[Manubiggs]

After New Vegas (even if that was not from Bethesda ) it felt a step backwards in many ways. When you encounter places like the underground fighting ring, or the race track the only interaction was killing, in skyrim those would have had their own story arc.

[cfc83]

I really like Fallout 4. I didn't bother with the i.p before really, but i was anticipating a 'new gen' release. It was new to me, so while some aspects weren't great, other parts make up for it.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I admitted it within a couple of days. I keep ggoing back to it hoping to enjoy it, but i just cant.

I never liked fallout 3 either for the record, so didnt expect much.

[DrJones]

Didn't very much dig the art style, for a Fallout game