Sony says the 4K PS4 Pro is 'where we think the market wants to go'

Yesterday at the PlayStation Theater in New York City, Sony announced two new iterations of the PlayStation 4, both of which are due to launch this year.

[Overload]

"I think the fact that we’re going to put this on the market on November 10th, and we’ve been working on it for two, two and a half years, if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started."

Of course it did.

Also, the PS4 Pro seems to be doing quite well, it will be interesting to see if it can maintain or if the cheaper slim overtakes it during the holidays.
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[MasterCornholio]

I personally believe the Slim will sell more just because Sony is probably producing more of them.

[donthate]

Doesn't matter when you started. That's just baloney, because I don't buy stuff based on how long people have been working on a console. I buy a console, because it gives values in the area I'm interested in. When you started isn't one of them, and lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive is the opposite of value.

But Sony is not reacting right, they are leading with lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive. I see now that Sony learned a lot from the Xbox 360 that stuck to DVD! o_0

[rainslacker]

You know, in all the time we've both been on here, and had our differences, I was thinking this would be the first time I'd ever agree with you, because you were spot on in that first paragraph, and then you go an kind of ruin it with those last two sentences. The first part is fair enough to emphasize your point, and show that they aren't adding value, but that last part just kind of came across as bitter, and the two scenarios are entirely different, with different implications to the consumer.

MS keeping DVD on the 360 affected all gamers across the board, as most games ended up having to conform to that medium despite a better medium being available. The lack of inclusion of a UHD player just means people that want that feature can't use it for said feature, and ultimately only affects their willingness to buy the system with that intent. Beyond that, the PS4P and X1S are relatively equal outside the PS4P having the obvious power advantage, with real world examples shown of the different options it can provide to games themselves, which do extend beyond just HDR, some of which are relevant to the entire install base, instead of just those with 4K TV's.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

It's a brand new product.

I would be surprised if it wasn't at the top of Amazon.

[Bansai]

Still damage controlling, nice. Must be nice to have all that time for pointless things in life like that.

[YinYangGaming]

"if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started." That's the one bit I don't agree with. I would imagine Microsoft started on Scorpio as soon as the weak, underpowered X1 was released in 2013

[Overload]

Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?

[ARESWARLORD]

Because it's using a different GPU the GPU that will be in the Xbox Scorpio hasn't even been released in the market yet I do have to say as a computer guy there's no way Sony has been planning this for two and a half years all they did is wait for the new GPU architecture to drop overclock their CPU and drop in a new GPU you can do the same with any PC that being said I just got back from EB Games and fully paid for the PS4 Pro

[uth11]

Because they are dependent on AMD tech which is not available yet. Just like PS4Pro couldn't release until now because the Polaris chips only recently became available.

[donthate]

Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed a more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out. MS did what is best for gamers, and waited a year to give you best bang for your buck possible.

MS are going with new architecture for both CPU and GPU with Vega and Zen. No half measures, no stopgap. Just full on raw performance to make your eyes bleed!

Chrissy:

I didn't say I have no interest in VR. I actuallly have VR on my PC, which I upgraded specifically for VR. I just don't think the general public will accept it as it is which is quite different.

[Christopher]

***Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out.***

You keep creating that narrative of yours. Even though everything shown has been confirmed to run on PS4 with only minor issues that are typical in alpha/beta stages occurring in the floor demos. And this is coming from the guy who has no interest in VR, PS4 Pro, or the like. It just gets annoying seeing you try to create this narrative by posting it so often without any actual facts.

[freshslicepizza]

@Overload
"Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?"

for technology/price ratio to catch up. sony's ps4 pro seems more aimed at enhancing psvr by not including a ultra bluray drive and by merely having some upscale technique to achieve non-native 4k. the cpu is basically the same as the original ps4 as well. i seriously doubt scorpio will be the same cpu.

[ThePope]

I think they started development the moment Phil took over. The funny thing is the only thing these moves by Sony and MS show is that consoles aren't going any where which is awesome.

[MatrixxGT]

Well said.

[miyamoto]

MS revealed their hand first again...

[MilkMan]

Nope. We want better and more triple A games.
Sony should stick with movies and games and leave the TV selling to Samsung and Vizio.

[Overload]

Who has better and more AAA games than PlayStation?

[gangsta_red]

Nintendo has more AAA games that are rated higher.

[Overload]

The Wii U does have great games, albeit none recently.

[Christopher]

PC also has better and more AAA games than PlayStation...

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Multiplats matter more than Sony exclusives

[Overload]

@christopher

That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.

[ShadowKnight]

@Gangsta_red that makes Microsoft look even worse without first party studio's. Nintendo and Sony is doing a great job in that department. Even PC has more AAA games lol 😅

[gangsta_red]

@ShadowKnight

"that makes Microsoft look even worse..."

Okay...if you say so...I was under the impression that Overload wanted to know who had better or more AAA games.

When did this turn into a "lol @ Microsoft" jamboree and why should I care?

[Christopher]

***That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.***

I guarantee the list of higher rated, AAA exclusives on PC will easily beat any other platform out there. It may not have the 'highest rated' game, but it will have more higher rated (90+ metacritic) games than any other platform. It will also have more crap games than all the other platform put together, but, you know, that's the part of PC gaming we don't talk about in public.

[nix]

Christ,

Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?

[Christopher]

***Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?***

Wait, is this about 'better and more AAA games' or is this just about 'GotY winners'? Which is it? What goal post are we moving now and to where? Need help?

The reason PC doesn't get recognition is because so much focus has been put on consoles or third-party titles available on all platforms. But, you want a Game of the Year winner? Pillars of Eternity. Best RPG from last year, completely overlooked solely because The Witcher 3, which is a great game, has the mass market focus due to being on all platforms.

I'll tell you what, though, look at streaming and activity, and PC games come out on top. Look at competitive games? PC games come out on top. Look at MMO/MP games? PC games come out on top.

The fact is, there are more games available on PC that are not available on any console. From those games, a good number of them are very highly rated and are AAA games. Even moreso, a game on PC will always work. You don't need to save an old PC or PC component to play a past game. You can play it on your current PC and the next and so on. In addition, PC gaming brings out the latest technology first and has the best looking games of each generation, even if people choose to ignore that PC exists and go with something like Uncharted 4 (it's a beautiful game, but better than what you can get on PC? C'mon now...). And, further, never ever discount what PC gaming has done to make console gaming what it is today. It's because of PC games that consoles have many of the games we do today.

[2pacalypsenow]

Sony has some of the best 4k TV's on the market, only thing is most people are too cheap to buy them.

[MilkMan]

Right, wich is why 4K gaming is not a "thing" right now.
It's less than 1% adoption rate.

[LexHazard79]

Well yeah when the competition is selling better TVs cheaper.

[trooper_]

Okay, let me know when Microsoft invests in new IPs because Sony is the only game company doing it.

[-Mezzo-]

Like myself, people have themselves to blame more than Sony, the Hype/Rumors ( Like Always ) got way out of hand and not that we look at what was revealed, it's actually not bad, not bad at all keeping $399 Price Tag in mind.

Plus, this simply is not an Answer to Scorpio, i am almost willing to bet that a proper Next-Gen system like Scorpio will come Late 2018/early 2019.

[BlackTar187]

I agree i think 2018 reveal 2019 release. If this is a mid gen like they say 2019 would be the release date. I believe MS said every 4 years for them so that's 2021 for the new system.

[donthate]

I'm looking forward to 2019-2020, because we are going to get the Xbox Kracken to fight the PS4 Pro 2: The sequel.

[LexHazard79]

@donthate, you mean PS5.

[Overload]

Completely agree.

[vergilxx3]

Im glad that they are doing pro version i really want ps4 for it's exclusives
better graphics and higher frame rate is a bonus
day 1 for me and i don't care what people think about it i'm still getting it

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Good deal already pre ordered mine. :)

[343_Guilty_Spark]

PS5 will come 2020 at the earliest. But then Scorpio 2 will be there in 2021.

[ShadowKnight]

Announcement E3 2018 and release early 2019 with EXCLUSIVE GAMES buddy. There I fixed it for you 😅😂

Xbox isn't a threat anymore. They can't even sell 25 million consoles in 4 years 😂😅

[BlackTar187]

lol at the comment AT THE EARLIEST and then Scorpio 2 in 2021.

3 yrs from now for ps5 is so attainable and is in line with the Term MID gen upgrade on the nose.

[LexHazard79]

@shadowKnight, but it hasnt been 4yrs.

[rainslacker]

I think it's more down to people have been saying since the beginning it's not enough for this gen, despite it probably being OK overall. The 4K stuff is just overhyping all this even more though, and if this new paradigm continues in some form going forward, it's only going to become more rediculous where it leads to too much potential for companies to start focusing on the wrong thing.

I don't think Sony is really wrong overall in what they're saying here, but it seems both companies tried to start the gen too early, instead of toughing it out another year or two to get to a point where it would actually be beneficial for the consumer as a whole, and not require more investment to stay ahead of the curve.

More specifically though, I think both console makers kind of forced the market to want to go this way by releasing consoles which were perceived as under powered across the board. Before this gen, I've never once heard someone hope for more console releases which blur the lines between generations, or give multiple options to the consumer. Even before the rumors started I never heard people asking for that, they just complained about the power of the systems. Complaining about it isn't the same as the market wanting this new option, it's just them complaining that the companies didn't do something right the first time.

Other than that, the PS4P specs are fine, and the features are nice regardless of if you own a 4K TV or not. Whether it's worth it will be up to the individual. The only thing which made me say I wouldn't get one is the lack of the UHD player, since that is the only thing I would conceivably want from it at this time. Despite some games taking advantage of the new features, I have this feeling that most software still won't fully utilize the Neo's benefits until next holiday season.

[Immorals]

It's definitely getting alot of backlash on social media, but haters gonna hate.

I wish Sony the best of luck, and expect the Pro to do well.

[gangsta_red]

Pretty sure that is where Sony 'wants it to go'. They have a lot invested in 4k, from content, streaming to hardware and they have always used their gaming consoles to push their next media format.

[LexHazard79]

Yeah they didnt use the PS4 slim or Pro to push UHD..not this time.

[rainslacker]

Edit: Realize you weren't probably talking about UHD when you said 4K. I'm really starting to get annoyed with the term 4K.

He didn't seem to be talking about that so much, just more from a gaming perspective.

but that was my initial thought as well.....specifically, "why not think of where the market is now as well?"

Leaving out a market for where they think the market wants to go is just kind of allowing potential customers to look elsewhere, and hindering what other products or interest they also have.

I'm honestly rather baffled by their exclusion of the feature, and for now, I'm hoping it's just something they won't have implemented for release, so they didn't want to announce it yet. But since I"ve been wrong about a lot of what I felt Sony would do based on their history so far in terms of features, I'm not going to expect anything, and also won't be buying a PS4P anytime soon, if ever, since I can wait it out for whatever comes next, or simply buy a stand alone when they get cheap enough.

[bleedsoe9mm]

shouldn't have bothered with the bluray drive ,streaming 4k netflix takes more bandwidth than gaming

[Christopher]

The 'market' wants good looking and well-performing games. Going to '4k' isn't really 'where the market wants to go' per se since the market would be happy with blown away 1080p games that don't have artifacts, glitches, or bugs.

I think this is Sony's way of getting halfway there. It's not going to be as powerful as the Scorpio, but it is releasing now and at the "below $400" cost that most gamers want. So, I see it as Sony doing that now to get it out there first while MS taking their time to get some more power out of it.

In either case, neither are going to do much natively without a ton of performance issues. The GPU power just isn't there. But, for a year, Sony can claim the most powerful console, and after that MS can take that title off of their hands.

This is the type of competition that is good for the gamers. Both companies are working in different, but similar, ways to try and win gamers over. This is what we need. I don't need a more powerful PS4 or a more powerful XBO, but the fact that they are both working towards that tells me they are still both trying to stay on top. That's good news no matter where my interests lie.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Quute possibly the best comment i have seen on the internet in regards to the PS4 Pro and Scorpio since the reveals. Gamers seriously need sense like you do.

Maybe the typical gamer mindset in the gaming industry wouldnt be so messed up right now if gamers were more like you.

Hit the nail right on the head my friend. Gamers are seriously a plague and do not understand this industry like they should.

[TheColbertinator]

@blade92

Christopher is rather sharp. I rarely agree with him honestly but I can tell he looks at the big picture before making a well structured comment.

[DragoonsScaleLegends]

Well they have been claiming the most powerful forever so another year doesn't really matter, actually the claim itself doesn't even matter to begin with if we are talking about computer performance. I'm getting the Pro since it will improve some of the games I already own and future games but I still have no plans to get a 4KTV anytime soon. But games are what matter the most and I've only enjoyed a very select few games on PS4 since launch which is crazy since that was 3 years ago already and the future doesn't look too bright for my gaming tastes, Spider-Man is probably the only game announced so far that I'm looking forward to. My PlayStation fandom died a lot this generation and was probably at it's highest with the PS2 though I enjoyed my PS1 just as much. My Nintendo fandom can't die which is why I actually owned a Wii U at one point.

[S2Killinit]

Personally Im pretty excited for a more powerful console IN A MONTHS TIME! Plus PSVR... I cant wait to get my hand on it.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It's a half measure, a stop gap.

[Christopher]

Both consoles are kind of that, just the Scorpio takes a bit more time to be about a two-thirds stop gap. Neither are going to really achieve native 4k as a standard, let alone anywhere close to 4k/60fps.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The Scorpio is designed with native 4K in mind. The PS4 Pro is not. Who said anything about 4k/60?

[Christopher]

***The Scorpio is designed with native 4K in mind. The PS4 Pro is not. Who said anything about 4k/60?***

If you're not talking 60fps, then you're not talking anything worth being native. They go hand-in-hand. Or has that suddenly changed? I personally don't give a crap, but it is the standard for games now, 60fps, right? Did we suddenly drop back to 30fps being the general market desired point? If so, why the heck do we even need new consoles at all? Just upscale the stuff for another 5+ years.

And, if it was design with native 4k in mind, then it needs to prove it can run, at minimum, 75% of the AAA games out there at that resolution natively. Currently, the specs we have don't support that when compared to PC games of similar spec who struggle to hit 4k and 30 fps or close to that with more TFlops and same memory.

[Salooh]

Exactly, Sony and ms may be in different directions but they are only offering solutions for those who desire such experience early. Only naive or uninformed would expect them to make 4k standard. For 400$ + year 2016 + the result compared to a native 4k experience in pc it surely is mind blowing despite the fact that only those who attended the playstation meeting really understood what sony is truly offering(same thing as VR, you have to try it by your self ). Scorpio obviously will do better in term of hardware since they will be late and with beyond generation concept, ms should monitor what sony is facing and try to do what gamers want not what they want. Sony should focus on encouraging developers to do different modes for their games and allow owners of the pro to choose from, that should be the real selling point which i think they are doing but not advertising it well like how they presented the difference between HDR and no HDR or what pro will offer for 1080p tv owners. They did a much better job at announcing such console compared to ms, but they needed more examples.

[donthate]

Nope, Doom on RX 480 at 5.8 TFlops and lower memory bandwidth can do 4K at 35+ fps right now. With 6+ Tflops, improved architecture, and better efficiency due to fixed hardware optimization. Expect 4K@60fps to be possible. Happy gaming!

[corroios]

The market want i high end console and not some weak spec machine. Average consumer can buy a slim hardcore gamer hig end pro machine but not with crap spec lets overclock the cpu and put gpu at 911 and its done. What a fail.

[TheColbertinator]

High end console is a weak machine anyway. Outdated the moment they release.

[Kallisti]

I think it's trying to communicate

[rainslacker]

Majority of the market will buy what works for them. Specs were never really an issue unless it was so underpowered it couldn't perform well enough, and even then it hasn't always mattered.

There is more than one market out there though, and you are only looking at it from the perspective of one or two markets that exist in the larger whole. Even those average consumers may partake in something better if they can be convinced it is of a better value overall.

[rataranian]

So they want me to buy a new ps4 just so it upscales some games to 4k. Which would require me to also buy a new tv. And only watch digital 4k content.

:/

[LexHazard79]

That weird I dont have a 4K TV. Oh yeah but Sony did say 1080p gamers are also in for a treat with better graphics. They showed as well.

[Kallisti]

The lack of a 4k bluray drive says otherwise

[XXanderXX]

Really .

[sadsatan]

the market will log onto amazon to buy an xbox one s because they wan't to watch UHD blu-rays on their nice new 4ktv, sony missed a trick here

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Isn't the market shifting to 4K everything? I mean native 4K? Seems like if you're marketing something to that crowd, you'd do native 4K gaming as well as 4K Blu-ray player for media.

[rainslacker]

Not really....at least if you're talking about the gaming market. It just seems that way because people keep harping on it as if it's a current accepted mainstream standard for gaming performance. Outside "hardcore" forums, no one really cares, and while 4K TV's are pretty good and all, it isn't the same kind of feeling that we had with going to HD, and seems that it's just a thing that will be adopted through attrition of people replacing TV's for the most part.

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA]

Im buying the pro. It doesnt matter to me at all about the uhdbd player coz i dont own any 4k movies and dont intend to buy any 4k movie (on a disc that is). The only way ill get movies is digitally and thats some what rare for me now a days. but even then im sure you can play 4k video via usb/hdd (fat32) just like you can play movies with the ps4.
Im sure the ps5 will have a uhdbd player (or possibly something else. But as for this gen its not really needed its a console 1st more then its a media center feel free to try and tell me other wise.
Im not saying not a good feature either. Just for me its not needed.