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Why Does Nintendo Hold Its Fans In Such Contempt?

Discussing Nintendo's increasingly awkward relationship with fans and why Nintendo may want to change course before the NX lands.

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Overload3217d ago

Because Nintendo likes to be difficult, which is why 3rd parties don't really deal with them either.

ScreenGurus3217d ago

Very likely. It staggers me that at a time when the company is in need of goodwill, it keeps scratching away at fans patience.

EddieNX 3217d ago

I know Nintendo deserves some of the things that gets said about them, but they do still make arguably the best games around. There's some ridiculously good games on WiiU and 3DS and whilst its easy to sit there hating, people are missing out on some of the absolout best games around.

Haters gunna hate, I've been a fan since SNES and they still make games now that are as good as they were back then. Super smash bros and Mario kart 8 are both perfect for example.

XisThatKid3216d ago

You guys DO know that you owe Ninty NOTHING. just because they gave us great past memories doesn't mean we are obligated to just accept what they do or lack there of. I'm glad we're getting to that time were Ninty has to earn their fans back with EFFORT.

-Foxtrot3216d ago

They really don't like meeting third parties half way on things...it feels they expect them to do all the work.

I mean Ubisoft tried and tried, yet going by interviews it's like Nintendo didn't have interest and after the delayed WatchDogs they gave up

ARESWARLORD3217d ago (Edited 3217d ago )

It's too bad that Nintendo has become a very gimmicky manufacture I wish it were Sega that survived as they would be hardcore like PlayStation and I'd be gaming on a Sega system

superchiller3217d ago

I agree. All of their recent hardware have been crippled by gimmicks coupled with underpowered, feature-lacking hardware. They really don't seem to understand how to design good gaming hardware anymore.

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gamerb63217d ago

Hardcore like PlayStation lol yh if your a casual.

Nintendo can be difficult and don't listen to fans sometimes no doubt, but if they come through with the NX and blow me away then all is forgiven.

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rjason123217d ago

Oh yeah, people bitch about Nintendo not using their IPs, Look at Sega, they literally only use Sonic and they have tons of IPs. I just don't get why people want each console to carbon-copy each other.

Segata3217d ago

I wish it was just SEGA and Nintendo only. Market was better then.

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opinionated3217d ago

They are a publicly owned business. Most companies protect their IPs. Nintendo might be more on the stricter side but it's not unusual or a personal grudge against fans. They won't change either, just accept that there won't be any fan made games using their properties.

DillyDilly3217d ago

Youtubers are lucky that Sony / Microsoft allows them to make money off of their products without permission & keep anyhting they make

opinionated3217d ago

I don't really get the whole lets play position of Nintendo but I do understand the fan games. If some random group of guys were making God of war spinoffs then Sony would come down just as hard as Nintendo does.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3217d ago (Edited 3217d ago )

You can make money off Nintendo games.
They only titles are eligible are the Nintendo in-house games, anything Miyamoto crafted or Pokemon.
Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Star Fox, Pikmin and Pokemon to name a few. The Wii series games or anything with Nintendo Headquarters development.

Everything outside of Nintendo HQ that Nintendo Published are free.

90% of the people on this site probably doesn't know this because.
1. Never uploaded Nintendo gameplay
2. Don't watch any Nintendo gameplay channels

DragonKnight3217d ago

@opinionated: Sega loves fanmade games. Nintendo has options they refuse to use.

opinionated3217d ago (Edited 3217d ago )

@dragon knight
thats sega though.. The last great game they published was condemned criminal origins lol. They will take any love they can get.

rjason123217d ago

Plus so that they can add every dime they save to making new Sonic games lol.

DragonKnight3217d ago

I'm wondering where the refutation of my point is.

opinionated3217d ago

@dragon
I'm not trying to refute your point. Your point is that segs likes fan games. That's cool, Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony are in a different league. I doubt sega would have put up with it 15-20 years ago either.

yeahright23217d ago

Nintendo is just waiting for us all to see the error of our ways and come crawling back to them for our gaming needs.

Eonjay3217d ago

Could it be because there aren't as many hardcore Nintendo fans as even the fans think. Only about 10 million or so... don't know but you can check out the Wii U sales. So to Nintendo, its fan club is nothing more than an annoying buzzing in its ear on its way to duplicate the Wii phenomenon. While Nintendo should work to keep their loyal fans satisfied, they need to also understand that Nintendo needs to do whats best for itself. People around the world love Nintendo properties (for goodness sake look at Pokemon Go) but most of us aren't going to out and buy a console just for their games.

gbsrnctaln3217d ago

The longer they chase the pot at the end of the rainbow, the further they will get from what made them great. Zelda seems to be their only franchise that has kept a linear forward progression. Mario has been held back to become more accessable (3DMW was great, but still a step backwards), and Metroid...pooooor metroid and its fans 😳

Eonjay3217d ago

Indeed Metroid fans got it the worst. Lets acknowledge that right now. But what you are saying is true and doesn't actually require them to release new hardware. Looking at how many folks started playing Pokemon, I think that Nintendo has proven that it would be the most powerful 3rd party of all time, easily. And almost over night. Would fans care about Nintendo enough to see it flourish as a 3rd party? See what I am getting at is that the thing that would work best for Nintendo is the one thing fans wont accept. And to me thats where this all come to a head. No one doubts Nintendo as a developer... well except for those Metroid fans maybe :(

gbsrnctaln3217d ago

I was adamantly against them going 3rd party at first, but Id gladly accept it if it meant getting true progression of their franchises on current/future gen consoles. So far the closest thing we have gotten to true Nintendo this gen has been R&C on ps4, and it did GREAT. Sad that other companies have been better at being Nintendo than Nintendo themselves.

EddieNX 3217d ago

There aren't as many hardcorse sony or xbox fans as we think. the majority of ps4 owners are COD FIFA gamers, not fans of Nathan Drake.

Eonjay3217d ago

Indeed, we live in a world where 3rd parties rule the world and that makes sense since they employ the vast majority of talent in the industry. I would still argue that Nintendo would have every 3rd party beat easily. Even in the case where Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all were 3rd party... Nintendo still wins. So if Nintendo doesn't want to go 3rd party then fine by them but they also need to have strong 3rd party support then.

GrimmyReaper3217d ago (Edited 3217d ago )

Yeah, but news flash

Believing the actual Nintendo fans aren't important is just dumb.
They are after the casual market?

Sure, that worked with the Wii. But all those casuals? They played it once or twice, then got phones and never looked back.
With the WiiU, Nintendo claimed to be for the "hardcore fans" and how did they do this?

Announce 2 Mario games, a console slightly stronger than the PS3 and XB360, an online infrastructure that's still way behind anything available these days and gimmicky tablet controller that they did NOT send out for third party devs to learn how to develop for.

I honestly don't know if there are Many hardcore Nintendo fans or not, but looking at the WiiU sales, the decisions Nintendo is making, their lack of communication with the fans, the image that they are portrayed as a company way behind it's time and not allowing free advertisement, all these things are crushing Nintendo's chances of getting back that crown of being the best of the generation.

And don't get me wrong. Sony and Microsoft and Steam. They ALL have serious problems too. It's just that Nintendo's problems are mostly problems only Nintendo has and because of the ignorance of Nintendo and the C&D for this remake shows what the fans want. This isn't the first time this happened and once again, Nintendo is not giving a shit on what the fans want and then are surprised they get this much flack from the community

Eonjay3217d ago

Well, one thing that the community does is voice its frustration when they feel that Nintendo is screwing up. And I agree that if the fans are where you should start. So thats me saying that yes they need to operate differently but they can do so in a way that doesn't alienate their base. Should Nintendo have a console at least as powerful as the PS4? I think so and I understand their frustration. But part of me keeps thinking that they don't care about power because the Wii wasn't even HD and it made them billions. So I think it is unreasonable to expect them to want to spend a bunch of money on hardware R&D. Its all very confusing.

Everyone thinks that Microsoft announced Scorpio to deal damage to Sony but that isn't the case. I think it had to do more with Nintendo than Sony. No one really know how powerful the system is but by Microsoft over compensating... they now say they believe that the Scorpio will be the most powerful when it launches. To me that means that they don't know NX specs yet and are going for a hail marry of sorts.

rjason123217d ago

Yeah, look at Wii U sales, 13-14 million consoles sold, mainly on the strength of their first party titles. No other company would even come close to that if the tables were turned.

That's a pretty damn good success, especially considering that most Nintendo made games on the system are passed/passing a million sales each. The Wii U definitely was the most poorly supported main console in the history of video games, and it still managed to sell over 13 million units.

Now don't let me sound like I'm praising the console itself and being a blind fanboy. By comparison it's sold horribly to the competition (though the One is barely chugging along itself) and it's likely going to be Nintendos lowest selling home console.

Hopefully the mistakes that they made ok the Wii U have been learned, and they come back better with the NX.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3217d ago

No system install base is the entire fanbase of any of the three.

Their fanbase is either between 10-50% of the system depending on the install base size.

Eonjay3217d ago

Thats a huge variance. So in the case of the 40+ million PS4 and 10+ million Wii Us what do you think the % of those two bases are the 'hardcore' fans. I assume the Wii U has a higher percentage of Platform fans.. maybe like 50%+

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3216d ago

@Eonjay
A good way to tell is by looking at each of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft IP on their system and look at the top selling games they released.

That would give you a good idea of the fans on that system. Of course the fans varies depending on the game available or whether or not a Nintendo fan only have 3DS or Sony fan only have Vita.

In this case I would like to say that Wii U has about between 35-50% of Nintendo fans but I am positive the rest of the remaining Nintendo fans are on 3DS considering many of them never made the jump.

Segata3217d ago

13 million Wii U units sold and 60 million 3DS units. So at least 73 million fans.

Stevonidas3216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

72,999,997 fans. Because I own both, and am on my 3rd 3DS (bought the original, later traded up for XL, then sold XL, recently bought "new" XL).

Still have my launch day Wii U though, and LOVE it.

Don't care about the "hardware". It's all about the GAMES.

PLAY GAMES, NOT CONSOLES.

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Nintendo wants to avoid Switch 2 scalping by making enough for demand

President Shuntaro Furukawa says he doesn’t think component shortages will be an issue due to new plan.

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ZycoFox362d ago

Probably be using 3+ year old chips by the time it launches

Tacoboto361d ago

The 2017 Switch is based on the 2015 Tegra X1 so even if Nintendo is using technology from 2022, that alone still represents a significant improvement.

Outside_ofthe_Box361d ago

How many decades has it been since Nintendo consoles been about power?

Inverno361d ago

Should open pre-orders through the E-shop for a period before making it available through stores. And now that COVID is out the way, you can make in store preorders mandatory too. People interested wouldn't have much of an issue driving by if it meant keeping scalpers at bay for a bit.

CrimsonWing69361d ago

I mean, the problem is these a-holes have bots that eat up every sites inventory. Then they sell it on eBay for stupid prices. No matter what you try to do we’re still going to have to fight through these human pieces of sh*t to get these damn consoles at launch.

phoenixwing361d ago (Edited 361d ago )

Well I'll either see if I can get one online against bots or wait till they're saturated and buy in a brick and morter store. Waiting isn't an issue anyway I have enough games to wait out the shortage

FinalFantasyFanatic360d ago (Edited 360d ago )

I can't really understand people rushing out to buy a console at release, I'll wait a year, two years, etc... until I can walk into a store and buy one if I have to, I'm not paying scalper prices.

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Are the Console Wars Over? Welcome to the Handheld Wars.

Looks like the epic console wars might be coming to an end, and a new battlefield is heating up: the Handheld Wars. With heavy hitters like the Steam Deck, Lenovo Legion Go, and the trusty Nintendo Switch, portable gaming is taking the spotlight. These handhelds bring the power of consoles to your hands, offering a variety of gaming experiences for both casual and hardcore gamers. While PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo aren't going anywhere, the rise of handheld gaming is giving us more ways to play than ever before.

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darthv72386d ago

console wars are stupid to begin with... let alone handheld wars.

GameGeeked386d ago

Console wars, and possibly handheld wars, may seem silly, but they persist because there will always be passionate fan.

darthv72386d ago

Being passionate about the games is fine. The plastic boxes... not so much.

InUrFoxHole384d ago

Passionate is one thing. But fans went full retard

Cacabunga384d ago

Darth

You need some kind of plastic box to play them games.. and people tend to choose the best one. Console wars allows games and consoles to reach new heights.

S2Killinit384d ago

You really don't get to speak. Come on.

Ironmike384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

S2killinit u just as bad

S2Killinit384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

@Ironmike
I’m not as relentless as some on here. In fact, I only respond in kind and I got pulled into this site after seeing how some commenters were always rushing in to be the first comment and detail conversations in favor of their box. Now that their console of choice is doing badly, they preach kumbaya. Just saying.

crazyCoconuts384d ago

Is it implied that "console wars" refers to the fans warring vs. the war the platform holders are constantly in?
Obviously the platform holders have been at war and will be as long as they have to compete for our dollars.

ravens52384d ago

They're fine, as long as you know this isn't REAL. I can say how much distaste I have for MS but still have a best friend that only games on Xbox. Its not that serious .

Charlieboy333384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

Darth, do you not have preferences for certain things in life ? You know like a certain brand of phone, car, clothing, restaurant, etc.

Or are you one of those boring limp people that like to sit on the fence with everything because the 'conflict' is too much for you to handle?

There is fuckall wrong with having a console war....it keeps things fun and interesting. Well unless you're a supporter of Xbox that is.

Most of the intelligent self respecting Xbox supporters have jumped ship and all that's left now are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers.

Ironmike384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

So u resort to insults to win argument, u already lost bro .

Charlieboy333384d ago

@ Ironmike Whatever you say sunshine.....yawn

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Knightofelemia386d ago

Console wars were great when it was SNES vs Genesis. Was always a great topic in the school yard. You got the Genesis port the friend got the SNES port. Always fun to compare who was better. I always looked forward after the school week and rent a game for the SNES. Now the console wars are pretty much done and over with PS3 vs XB360 was pretty much the last of the console wars. Anything after that is pretty much one sided with almost everybody going PS4 and PS5. To me the console wars started to drop after the PS3 and XB360 ran their course. Be interesting to see the handheld wars I am in the market for a new handheld system.

GameGeeked386d ago

The SNES vs Genesis days were definitely memorable. I was lucky to have both consoles :) It's interesting to see how the focus is shifting now. Handheld wars could bring back some of that excitement. Which handheld system are you considering?

anast384d ago

I was on the Genesis side. We see how well that went.

RaiderNation384d ago

I had both but I preferred the Genesis for the sports games and I liked Sega's 6 button controller better for fighting games. That D pad was a godsend to pull off Street Fighter moves!

RaiderNation384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

The "golden age" of gaming to me was between 1995 and 2000 when it was a 3 horse race between Sony, Nintendo, and Sega. For me, there WAS no console war because I genuinely loved all 3 platforms, with each bringing something unique to the table. I miss that era.

anast384d ago

I switched to Sony day 1.

PhillyDonJawn384d ago

Anast, no one would've ever thought that about you. Totally surprising news/s

Fist4achin384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

Mortal Kombat was superior on the genesis!

FinalFantasyFanatic383d ago

It also helps that back then, they used very different hardware, today's consoles have very similar internals to each other, especially modern Playstations and Xboxes.

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fsfsxii384d ago

Handheld wars aka which system is gimped more and destroys your hands faster.

anast384d ago

I would say with the defeat of Xbox and Nintendo being it's own thing in family friendly handheld gaming, the console wars are over. For those of us that enjoy that kind of entertainment and are aware of this aspect, it was fun while it lasted.

There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape.

-Foxtrot384d ago

" There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape "

If the Xbox handheld is true I won't how it will do against Nintendo, even Sony couldn't keep up and the PSP was fantastic

RaiderNation384d ago (Edited 384d ago )

The Steamdeck has currently sold around 3 million worldwide. A handheld Xbox would be lucky to double that. As others have suggested, there IS no handheld war. Nintendo owns it.

Ironmike384d ago

The defeat of xbox my god u for real it's a console u talking g like its real war the defeat that's saddest statement I read in here

anast384d ago

"that's saddest statement I read in here"

Your not very self aware. I get it.

The Wood384d ago

The xbox as a console is a shadow of what it was during the 360 era. IF the term war offends you then I guess that you lean towards the green brand.. Just a guess mind you.. Regardless, the brand has been mismanaged for way too long and that's a key factor as to why the gappage as increased yoy between it and its closest rival.

DarXyde384d ago

In a handheld war, Nintendo cannot be beaten.

PSP was a surprisingly robust effort, and it came the closest... While doing half as well as the DS.

badz149384d ago

closest? By any metric imaginable, it was not even close. it's easy to assume the that the PSP might as well be considered a success but it sold over 80mil vs over 150mil by the DS. It was not until the failure of Wii U, Xbone and Vita did people finally realize how well the PSP actually did. before all those, it was generally called a failure by many, considering how badly the DS crushed it in sales.

NotoriousWhiz384d ago

If the PSP's 80 million isn't a success, then what is the 3DS' 75 million?

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Behind The Dangerous Stunts Of Nintendo’s Iconic Mario Commercials

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