No Man’s Sky – Patch 1.07 released and detailed, described as “the largest update to date”

Hello Games has released the largest patch for No Man’s Sky. This patch comes with a large number of bug fixes and tweaks, as well as specific PC improvements (synchronising frame capping with the first vsync for example).

[glenisahat]

IMHO they need to fix a lot more things for the game to even live up to half its expectations.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Expectations that you set. These are your expectations, perhaps your expectations were off.

Maybe u should mention what the other things are that need to be fixed? It would be more helpful than making empty remarks.

[Artemidorus]

They can start by giving us the game in presentations and not the garbage we all got as a retail product.

[cleft5]

The major thing they are going to need to patch in is the multiplayer the way they originally said it would be in there. I dont think its beyond them to do that so we will see in time if they manage to do it. Still its good to see them hard at work on the game.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Naming your ships, sandworms, rings around planets amongst other things were not just expectations, they were actually factual promises...

I understand that some people exaggerated and that they thought the game would be ,but clearly there are lots of people that believed it was going to be what the director has promised and for a fact there's many things that they promised that are not in the final game without them ever clarifying this to Consumers, please stop making it sound as if everyone's just delusional that these people lied.

[Spike20XX]

what's your fixation on replying to every comment here?

This way you won't feel cheated from the 60 bucks you paid instead of enjoying your game and staying away from the negativity?

[fr0sty]

I'm willing to give them time to add content, but I have reached a point where I just can't play it anymore. The few tasks that are there to do have been worn out long ago. Last night I jumped into a game. Flew around in space for a bit and realized I needed to fix my warp drive. Got into a predictable space battle (1.07 did make space fighting WAY better, your ship turns more quickly now and enemies don't just fly straight towards you as soon as your first laser/bullet hits them, making them easy targets... but it was still too easy) which was over in 1 minute. Flew to land, got my supplies, befriended a critter who dug up some rare elements for me, but in the end I realized... I could jump to another star and do more of the same, but I've already done everything there is to do and there isn't any way for me to climb any higher, no way for me to level up any more, nothing that I will find in these other star systems that won't be a rearranged version of what I've already found in the last several, no new items to discover, no new tech to learn, any new ships I get will do nothing but add more slots to their inventory...

As a single player game, it gets very boring very quickly. If it were more like Destiny, with new content being added all the time, new items, new levels to reach, and a multiplayer element that made exploration more fun and would definitely make space battles better, bases and freighters to defend from actual human, non AI attackers... this game has potential to be something amazing, but as of now it's just a promising looking platform that all that could be built on.

Hopefully, like Minecraft, Driveclub and Destiny, it will grow into a better game with time.

[TacoTurtlePower]

Expectations we set ? Have you seen the trailers and gameplay videos they released ? The features THEY listed that would be in the game ? The game isn't a finished product or the one they showed.

[sampson3121]

yup! all i hear and read are people complaining about all the lies and features missing from the game. not one actually articulated what it's missing. someone left a list of 13 things Sean Murray supposedly promised in NMS on my youtube channel. i research the first five, giant creature(check) creatures hunting down other creatures(check). faction battles (check). jungle planets(check). i told him to research the rest because he was wrong about the others. people are hating, without knowing what was and wasn't promised.
the last one i researched was MP not being in the game. well, he said a few times that it has MP aspects to the game, but it's not an mmo. easy to find, but here is a link, here is the quote

Q "Jill: Are characters pre-made, or customizable? What was the reasoning for the decision?"

A"Murray: So you don't get to see yourself in the game, which was a very specific decision we made early on. We wanted it so that you only see the world through your own eyes. No Man's Sky isn't an MMO"

LINK http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

this kind of hate only really happens when xbots are left out of a game. they start the hate train and the idiots hop on board.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

to be fair (and I actually don't hate NMS) Hello Games did promise some things that didn't quite make it in the game. I'd say to some degree those are expectations the developer set. To expand on that - most of the general public didn't know what expectations to set as nobody really knew much about the game even after presentations.

[DogJosha]

@sampson3121
Are you serious? You are trying to defend it not having multiplayer by quoting him saying that it will not have a massive amount of people playing together? Do you not know the difference between regular multiplayer and an MMO? The simple fact is that the guy lied when asked about there being multiplayer. He wasn't obscure, he flat out lied.

Considering the obvious limitations of the game, multiplayer is the only thing that would have made me consider buying the game. I'm just glad I didn't jump on the hype train and buy this game early. As for those who did buy it, everyone who bought the game within the first week, maybe two, should be entitled a full refund. After that point, the lies were already out in the open so a little research would have told you the game isn't what you were looking for if you wanted multiplayer. Selling a product based on features that don't exist is illegal for a reason.

[SonyWarrior]

more like the expectations the devs set with their lies

[KiwiViper85]

Rookies comment got spammed so I will leave this here too.

IamTylerDurden1 173d ago
" No Man's Sky will have so much more than ppl expect. Compare the multitude of features it has (dialogue options included) to Elite Dangerous. Yet, i don't hear the mass criticism of that game. This just confirms that No Man's Sky has plenty of meaningful things to do. I guess there will be intelligent interaction with advanced alien life forms. You obviously will build some sort of narrative, i am so excited."

Sucks to be you Tyler

[donthate]

You mean expectations set by the developer?

I wonder if this patch includes the lies, I mean omissions this time, or not.

[tee_bag242]

Wow, 1st stage is denial.. But I didn't think people were still in denial they had been scammed. For that you're truly exceptional.

[Gazondaily]

Damn tyler....you seriously got absolutely MERKED there 😂 Gotta bookmark that one for the lols

So, in light of your old comment, did NMS live up to your expectations?? Gotta say, your tenacity to defend mediocrity is astounding

[IamTylerDurden1]

Yea, comments i made 173 days ago before we knew intimate details about the game. Very relevant.

It's funny how your expectations can actually change. U know, like when more details come out and we have have a more clear picture of exactly what the game is. Or do expectations from half a year ago supersede expectations from 1 month ago? After all the prelaunch demos and all the information that came out in the month or 2 before launch everybody should've had a clear picture of what the game is.

I fail to see what exactly the point of Rookie's post is. That 173 days ago i was excited about the possibilities of what NMS could be? How is Viper's post not Spam when it's a repost of a comment that got spammed?

Those were expectations that i set 173 days, and those expectations changed when HG came out with more information and a thousand demos of the game. I had set unrealistic expectations 173 days ago, but with the numerous demos and all the prelaunch coverage we all got to see what the game actually was. The game was exactly what i expected it to be.

[gangsta_red]

"Yea, comments i made 173 days ago before we knew intimate details about the game. Very relevant."

So basically you were hyping the game up talking and bragging about features that you just assumed were in the game while downplaying Elite in the process.

And then you wonder why people were so let down when they actually played NMS. Don't you think that people like you were part of the problem when hyping this game up and putting high expectations on the game? Maybe it wasn't the media, maybe it was you and other like you that go around constantly in PR mode.

The thing is, you never changed those expectations, you kept hyping this game up and that is what Kiwi and Septic are pointing out. Maybe if you had just been genuinely excited without having to resort to shitting on other games for other consoles or devices in the process these type of comments wouldn't come back to you.

[Hoffmann]

Your expectations are OBSOLETE!

[Deadpooled]

Broken Matt Hardy

[pcz]

a full refund is the only patch that will fix this game

[Orbilator]

With a user name like that i expect nothing less

[Muzikguy]

This is getting really old. I wasn't expecting much from this game and I love it.

[donthate]

Well, since you weren't expecting much, it sounds like you got exactly that for $60. How does it feel?

Glad I didn't support this scam.

[fr0sty]

Guy who never played the game is glad he didn't play the game because some people said it wasn't good... Don't hate, go troll somewhere else.

I did buy the game, and I did play it, and while I do have my disappointments with it, I do not regret the purchase at all. I see that this game can grow into a platform much like Minecraft and Destiny did. Driveclub sucked when it launched as well, then went on to become one of the best arcade racers ever in a few short months. So, unlike many around here, I'm going to show a little patience and, as long as the updates remain free, give Hello Games time to redeem themselves.

[Muzikguy]

I've played NMS more than many other full retail releases. So yeah, my expectations were fine. I'm not the one here screaming about wanting my money back. This is an obvious issue going on in the industry right now. More than just Hello Games have been lying about their products. I guess it's just easier for me on NMS because like I said, I wasn't expecting much

[rainslacker]

I'm sure if you funded something based on your expectations, then they'd probably deliver it at some point. In the meantime, the game does actually deliver on almost everything it said it would, so maybe stop with the generalizations of "half".

[donthate]

I believe a lot of people disagree with you.

I expected very little, and paid nothing, so I got exactly what I predicted.

[kraenk12]

You're sad rookie.

[Majister-Ludi]

7 patches since launch well done hello games. You released one hell of a mess.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Well done is right, it's admirable that they are hard at work. How many patches have TT released for 7 Days to Die?

U know, The Witcher 3 had many more patches when you count all 3 systems, was that also a "mess"?

[hirobrotagonist]

Right by the Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever made and CDPR's level of support for their product is incredible. It's also a fully fleshed out game with an amazing story and gameplay. It's not a glorified tech demo with a bunch of missing features that have been advertised in videos and various interviews with Sean Murray.

I'm a fan of all the NMS patches though, maybe in time it will more closely resemble what was advertised. I liked parts of this game for sure, but I was bored after 20 hours.

[_-EDMIX-_]

That's true but the Witcher 3 still actually offered the features that were promised to consumers in the first place....

Nothing's wrong with a developer hard at work the problem is consumers were not told that they intended for this to be a work in progress prior to release, I don't even have a problem with the developer continuing to add features to the game I just have a problem that they were not transparent to Consumers that they were purchasing an unfinished product.

Keep in mind that the feature is that it sounds like they're continuously adding all the junk that was kind of promised in the first place.

[Imalwaysright]

What's admirable about releasing a broken game?

[Avin1973]

Comparing a full interactive game such as Witcher to NMS? You jest. I deleted that crap from my ps4 and won't install it anymore.

[Rachel_Alucard]

Yeah lets count updates for an early access title and not only count the patches for a game thats been out since May 2015 but also combine all platforms into one number, because that's totally not some asinine levels of mental gymnastics and Stockholm syndrome.

[Scatpants]

Why are you such a defender of this game? Whether they lied or not or people expected too much or not it is still average at best and dull and repetitive with ugly graphics at worst.

[cash_longfellow]

@hirobrotagonist....good game, yes...but you lost me when you said "one of the best games ever made." Haha!

[Lon3wolf]

7 patches since launch, shows how they are prepared to support it (more so than some much bigger devs Batman Arkham Knight PC and Quantum Break PC spring to mind as they are as fixed as they will ever be), nothing to be ashamed of.

[Imalwaysright]

The only thing that it shows is that they released a broken game.

[pcz]

i dont think its about showing their support for the game, its more about avoiding lawsuits, and trying to save their business and reputation which would almost certainly be ruined after delivering a broken and incomplete game.

to not patch the game so relentlessly would be commercial suicide.

[_-EDMIX-_]

How come they weren't prepared to be truthful to Consumers about the product?

I don't disagree I think it's great that the developer supports their game post-launch but my problem is they're spending a lot of time focusing on patching a game that is built upon lies I'll come none of this time is spent communicating to the consumers about what the actual game is in comparison to what they were shown in trailers?

None of the things you mentioned absolve this company from not being transparent to Consumers.

At the end of the day Arkham Knight and Quantum break we're still exactly what they were marketed to be in regards to Features, no man's sky is not.

The hate does not come from the game being under finished, the hate comes from the company's lack of transparency on something that is extremely fraudulent and when you have Demos in trailers of features that are inside a game that never make it to the final game and the all while the developer says absolutely nothing while they're pocketing your money.

Something is wrong.

[donthate]

So support is measured in the number of patches in short time now?

Minor stability update incoming!

[cleft5]

So if they dont fix their game they are bad guys, but if they do fix their game its broken and they didnt do a good job. No pleasing people like you. People that probably played the game for 40+ hours and got a refund.

I am glad they are continuing to work on the game and I believe a year out this game will live up to what they promised. It's sad that the game wasnt what it should have been a launch and its good that people who are really upset managed to get refunds. For the rest of us, we can enjoy a chill game for what it is and what it will be.

[Imalwaysright]

So you defend broken and incomplete games? No wonder that this industry is an anti-consumer joke. We get what we deserve.

[Yetter]

They misrepresented what this game was, thats why they are bad guys. Its nice that they are trying to fix the broken mess but they've got a years worth of content patches to get this game up to the bar that Hello games has set

[pcz]

if you pay somebody to paint and decorate your house, and when they say they are finished they have left entire walls unpainted, wallpaper hanging off the walls and paint all over the carpet, it doesnt matter if they spend the next month bringing it up to the standard they originally promised- the damage is already done.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@pcz- agreed and an amazing analogy.

the reality is this team marketed openly and demoed this game to be something clearly the final version is not , I'm not even upset at that, I'm upset that they lied and we're not even transparent to Consumers on what the final game would entail in regards to those features.

Yet happily accepted people's money.

The issue is not that the game was unfinished because I would have no problem paying full-price knowing that what it's going tobe a work-in-progress I'm completely fine with that, my issue is that they were not transparent about this to Consumers lots of people bought this game based on what they seen from demos and trailers in from the damned directors mouth himself.

I was literally watching one of my friends play the game and I told them name their ship, as that something they could do...... only to ironically find out you can't even do that in the game. there was so much that I was finding out during my own damn play through that these people lied about to the point where there was no more defending.

If the game is unfinished let us know, if the game is an MMO in these features will come over time that's completely fine let us know, but to lie to me about the features is disheartening because it means that we're probably not even guaranteed to get those features in years to come , even me stating that it could be a work in progress is merely guessing.

if the company lied initially about this game's release, whos to say they wouldn't lie about upcoming content that never comes out? The sad part is is I'm merely saying theoretically it could be a work-in-progress we have no evidence to suggest that those features ever be in this game as hello games has not even acknowledged their lies regarding the game.

[ssmilloy36]

they could wait half a year and do one big one troll.

[Deadpooled]

7 patches in a month? Is that a record?

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

Cool! Lots of bug fixes. For a small studio they sure are fast af with patches. Still like this game regardless of all the hate.

[jojo319]

I can't understand why people constantly bring up the size of the development team as a defense of a half baked game. It would be like hiring a guy to paint your house. You come home and it's a complete mess. The guy says "well I had my 7 year old son help me". So that makes it OK??? No. It's still a crappy paint job!

[TimmermanV]

Except that you knew in advance you were hiring a 7 year old.

[COMMENT-OF-THE-YEAR]

Oh I wasn't making a statement defending the game ha ha! Said I liked the game and they are fast with patches.. I could care less if you don't like it to be honest. I enjoy the shit out of the game. What your opinion of the game is has no barring on my enjoyment or my statement.

That said. All games have issues when they are released regardless of peoples opinion. It's part of programming. My statement about them being a small studio isn't about your opinion of how it's a half baked or "It's still a crappy paint job" as they are mostly bug fixes and at the speed in which they are patching bugs in the game. All games have bugs. Even several weeks/months out. What I am saying is they are really fast for a small team to deploy bug fixes. You don't typically see bug fixes deployed so quick from bigger companies with bigger budgets/teams that release games.. That is what I am talking about.

You opinions to push a narrative on what makes it okay or if the game is good or not only really applys to you. While you think the things you do about the game and surely you have played many hours of it and have first hand experience to make these judgement has nothing to do with the frequency of fixing the bugs. One is bug fixes.. the other is your opinion. Big difference.

So does it make it okay? I'm not sure. But what I am sure of is that you don't determine whether I think it is or not. The developers job is to listen to criticisms and decide how they want to change the game depending on those criticisms through bug fixes and features. If they choose to try to make the product better for people.. isn't that a good thing? In many peoples minds on this site and other sites regardless if they played it or not is the opinion the game is bad just as many people like it.. Should they not try to make the game better for those who don't like it? Is that not what their job is?.. bug fixes are a good thing for both who do and don't like it as it fixes and alleviates issues that people might use to purchase or play the game.

[susanto1228]

You only get ONE CHANCE this game is done.

[IamTylerDurden1]

You have no idea just how wrong you are..

Diablo 3

Driveclub

Do some research.

[iTechHeads]

He's absolutely right. They had one chance to make a good impression. Now no matter what they do, it will ever be enough. A lot of people just don't care anymore. They've moved on.

[Rachel_Alucard]

You do some research. Both games suffered from poor design from the get go and Jay Wilson doubling his chin. The cancelled PVP in Diablo 3 was directly told to people when it happened and was explained that it would not be available at launch unlike NMS, which flatout said it was there with no corrections. Sean Murray flat out twisted words and lied directly in interviews and never bothered to correct info when things changed. The studio who made Driveclub was defunct, and I can see this following suit because I don't see them turning it into a service, at best they could develop a sequel which will most likely sell less due to the sour taste of the first.

[Aenea]

@rook (or should I say NoMansLie?)

How much are you being paid to shill for and defend the almighty Xbox?

Just go away as you promised... Oh wait, you lied! :p

[donthate]

DriveClub was a disaster and should have never gotten a second chance. All that shows is gamers will support crap behavior.

[kraenk12]

@donthaterookie

You're embarrassing.

[uth11]

Wasn't this patch a few days ago?

[RosweeSon]

Yep and I've turned my ps4 on and oh we're already on Update 1.08 haha

[donthate]

There is space for at least 91 more, before they hit the big 2.0.

[Hoffmann]

Still won't buy this game before it is below 30 bucks.

[Lon3wolf]

Fair enough, value is down to the individual after all. I spent £40 on it and have just about 120 hours now, yes it needs more content which they say is coming, but not regretted it at that price.

[Hoffmann]

Fuuuuu I wish I had 120 hours for gaming in the last weeks. Maybe that is really a factor for me too. You know I have maybe 5-7 hours per week to play something, so I try to get just the best games for 50-70 euro

[stiggs]

@Lon3wolf

If you purchased NMS on launch day then your 120 hours of play time would mean that you average about 5 hours per day! That estimation is assuming that you bought it on release day but the £40 price tag leads me to believe that you purchased it at later date, which would indicate that you play even more per day.

As Hoffman mentioned, where do you find the time (or the will) to play that much?

I'm lucky if I can squeeze in 120 hours of gaming in an entire year....and that's pushing it.

[Deadpooled]

Stig

Games in the UK cost around £40 at launch (even cheaper shopping around)

[Lon3wolf]

Stiggs not that I care about your very odd investigation into my play time but we have had summer holidays here, I have had holiday time.

[stiggs]

@Lon3wolf

Why do you find it odd that someone responded to you assertion? If you don't want people to reply to you comments then perhaps you shouldn't post them online.

I wasn't making any assumptions about your lifestyle. Although, I will admit that I find it interesting that you responded in such a defensive manner. I was simply expressing my amazement (and slight envy) at the fact that someone has that much time to dedicate to their hobby.

[Lon3wolf]

@Stiggs,

Edit: Misread the reply completely...

Yeah I only have that time due to holiday, I just thought it was an odd assumption to make that I must of bought the game after release for £40 (well 39.99) but it has always been that price in the UK.

[stiggs]

@Lon3wolf

It's all good. Enjoy the game.

[Lon3wolf]

:( I'm lucky in that way (at the moment), some people have over 400 hrs on it on Steam.

[Hoffmann]

O-o how is that even possible without you know, using that app ..

[_-EDMIX-_]

At this point I don't really blame you in fact I would only buy this game when you read the damn features that they promised are even in it, it's not a bad game for what it is but personally I don't really know what your expecting from the game so I don't know if I could even recommend it in its current state, as all I really wanted to do was fly around planets lol

[donthate]

This game should have released for $20 as an indie game, and then promptly been discounted to $10. GameStop is giving you a $12 trade-in for it. Give it another month, and you can find it in GS used for $15.

[Skankinruby]

Everyone with absurd expectations can hate all they want, this is exactly the game I was expecting. Any patches and updates from here on out are just a huge bonus.

[Gh05t]

You were expecting all these bugs? You expected to be able to redeem a preorder bonus and have that take away the ability to learn the hyperdive formula. You expected that? You expected it to harrass you to refill your cannon that isnt refillable?

You people amaze me.

These are bug fixes that WERE OBVIOUS and should have been found way before launch. This game had so little QA it should be embarrassing, but they arent because they made a truck load of money.

[Skankinruby]

No, I'm not talking about that, any bugs or legitimate defects are valid arguments. I got the ps4 limited edition and didn't experience any of these however I do understand that was a thing and that should have most definitely been fixed before launch. I'm talking strictly about the idiots going on and on about how they said this game was multiplayer and lied about it. They're clinging to one question Murray was asked one time that he goofed on. But ignore the entire pre release advertising of this being a single player game that was never designed to be multiplayer.

[Gh05t]

Forgive me, but you said "Any patches and updates from here on out are just a huge bonus." and on topic of this article my point is that these "Patches" are for bug fixes that should have been worked out and aren't a BONUS, for many they are to fix what is BROKEN.

"They're clinging to one question Murray was asked one time that he goofed on."

Seriously one time he was asked about multiplayer... For the people that claim to have seen everything and researched this game to death it amazes me how you didn't notice he said it multiple times (Interviews with Game Informer, Colbert, GRTV, I mean come on he even compared the game to feeling like Journey and Dark Souls and said "there is the ability to communicate and work with other people."). And to be honest I could give a rats ass about multiplayer (But that doesn't let him off the hook for saying it over and over until one day before release when he tweeted saying no) There are so many other things that were patently false that didn't make it into the game without saying "Hey guys you know that stuff I talked about or AM STILL SHOWING YOU ON STEAM, yeah that is not in the game yet, but its still a good game and we will add it later."

Where is the planetary physics ( they don't move rotate or orbit anything, which I might add goes against him making fun of games that have skyboxes), where is the if the planet is further or closer to the sun it affects the life of the planet. where is the hacking to steal ships, where is the hacking to get into building, where is the "...and as you travel further towards the center of the galaxy, uh, things become much more mutated and the crazier things exist there." <-- Direct quote. Where is the ability to destroy space stations. Where is the difference between ship types. These are not things people fabricated, these are things we have read or heard DIRECTLY FROM THE CEO.

And these aren't even all of them. So go pound sand with your "one question" BS your only fooling yourself.

[CraftyGaz]

Too Fucking late

[T2X]

Oh Please. Enough of this shit. It's a game. If you think it sucks, buy something else for Christ's sake. It was pretty much exactly as I thought it would be. It's nice, But I don't care for these games too much as I don't have the time to sink into them anymore. And I DO have the game and DID play it. It was pretty much as advertised. People who are so incredibly disappointed have unfortunately set their expectations unreasonably high and let themselves down. The end.

[Servbot41]

So you expected zero multiplayer despite Murray going on national television and stating that there would be multiplayer?

[IamTylerDurden1]

Servbot,

Yes, i expected ZERO multiplayer bc this was always advertised as a singleplayer game. You really have no idea and are just going with "what u hear" on this one. Are you joking? Multiplayer? Did u see ANY of the actual pre launch coverage or demos? I recall Sean saying literally dozens of times that you will never encounter another player due to the astronomically low chance of there even being a possibility that it would happen. Anyone who expected to be playing multiplayer in NMS is either delusional or simply didn't pay attention.

[Skankinruby]

Another ignorant mouthy child who can't pay attention. Read the description of the game from day one, this was NEVER advertised as a multiplayer game.

[JasonKCK]

"bc this was always advertised as a singleplayer game."

Except that time that it wasn't.

[Aenea]

Only once I reached the centre of the galaxy I finally found places others had already discovered, the chances are really low to find someone. So no, I didn't expect to meet anyone.

And when I thought about it I also feel it would be rather ridiculous if it had been in the game, can you imagine how much data would be sent back and forth to and from the servers to keep track of players that are near each other? And for what? Just so people might have a tiny chance to see each other? I find it weird people were really expecting that and I hope that they either don't bother adding this or when they do they add actual more functional multiplayer aspects as well otherwise it would be rather pointless...

[rainslacker]

Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. Got to wait until the next big disappointment comes out, then they'll hate on that for a few days and move on like is typical in these situations when the press tires of reporting on it, and they have no more outlet since they won't go complain where it matters, and instead just follow around the inciteful articles so they can be all crabby about something and act morally righteous to the point of being absolutely rediculous....so rediculous, I don't even think most of them realize just how silly and childish they are sounding.

I could understand a good calling out of unethical practices or false marketing, or things of that nature, and I'd be right there with them, but the utter contempt and complete disregard of any semblance of balanced debate or accepting of any facts outside what backs up a person's preconceived opinion on the matter has made this whole subject practically impossible to take seriously except for maybe the 1-2 people in any comment thread which actually make some sort of reasonable argument without jumping straight to extreme hyperbole and over-exaggeration.

I don't even try to discuss it with any kind of logic anymore, which is hard for me, because people too often just won't accept anything that doesn't outright 100% agree with their view on the matter. Even if you manage to have a decent discussion in one thread about it with someone, in the very next article, they're right back to the over sensationalized comments which make the matter so stupid now to begin with.

[Imalwaysright]

Pre-conceived opinions? People aren't still talking about this game because of pre-conceived opinions. They're talking about it because Sean's interviews, NMS trailers and live gameplays prior to the game releasing are plastered all over the internet and because they experienced the game 1st hand. The publisher of the game on the Ps4 and Steam would never allow refunds based on pre-conceived opinions or childish people saying that the game was falsely advertised.

Logic? You don't need logic to prove that the game was falsely advertised. All you need is the retail version and a simple youtube video of Sean saying that we could play with our friends and that his game would have a competitive element to it. Those that need logic (if you can call it that) to defend their point of view and a heavy dose of mental gymnastics are the ones saying that NMS was never advertised or promoted as having MP when those videos exist.

Also, this is not about agreeing or disagreeing with other people. It's about accepting or refusing to accept reality. The reality: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[rainslacker]

So you're saying people's expectations that it would be a meaningful MP game weren't pre-conceived by them excluding what they didn't want to hear, and only allowing in the stuff they wanted to hear? Not saying their notions on the game didn't have some basis, just the overall expectations that people seemed to place on the game seem to be well beyond what a small team could reasonably deliver.

By logic I mean that people are going off the deep end on the reactionary, and refuse to accept anything other than what they want to believe, or even try to look at it rationally.

As far as the videos that exist, why don't you tell me what you think of the more numerous interviews or videos or tweets which state that it is not a MP game, and people shouldn't go into it expecting that. I'd be interested in what some people who obsess over the lack of being able to meet up actually have to say about that, because whenever it's brought up, all people do is say...."but look at these few interviews"....where even then he says it would be exceptionally rare to meet up with someone else in at least one of the cases.

Care to tell me what you think about all that, and apply it to original comment?

[Imalwaysright]

Meaningful MP?

http://www.reactiongifs.com...

THERE IS NO MP. There is no playing with your friends (what more do you need), there is no seeing how other characters look like (US national TV), there is no ability to communicate with other players, there is no sense of playing with other people on the same universe, there is no competitive element in the game. There were many MP features that he talked about to promote and sell his game and NONE of them are present in it.

Regardless of MP being meaningful or not, selling and promoting your game as having it when you knew that your game wouldn't have even the most basic MP features is false advertising.

"just the overall expectations"

This is not about wanting the game to have the best or worst MP features in the world. It's about the game having ZERO MP features.

Where are those videos and tweets? Please, I hope you're not talking about the impossibility of players finding each other crapolla (2 guys tried to meet on the same exact planet 1 or 2 days after the game was released). He is NOT saying that his game wouldn't have MP. On the contrary, he is reeinforcing the idea that his game would indeed have MP despite the size of the universe they created.

I also hope that you're not talking about the tweet that he wrote less than 24 hours away from his game being released. Not after online retailers sending the game to those that pre-ordered it or as if everyone was obliged to follow that liar on twitter. Not after MONTHS of advertising his game as having MP.

We're just talking about MP here but there are more features that he talked about that aren't present in the game.

[rainslacker]

It allows you to upload your discoveries, and others can see what you've done. That is the biggest thing he's always stressed about what the MP was about, but he's also mostly stressed that there was not this thing where it would be traditional, or that you would ever likely meet up with another person or see another person.

I concede, along with everyone else who's trying to say they are setting up more expectations for the MP than what was likely intended, that he did say some things would exist that didn't make it into the final product.

Like I said, people built up their notions as something much grader by taking things to higher levels than what the game eventually delivered.

Did he lie? I don't think so. I think he had intentions of doing such things, but couldn't deliver. The biggest failing in it is that he didn't do what he should have done before launch to clarify exactly what people were getting.

Beyond that, people's reactions to all this is completely overblown to the point where it's become absolutely impossible for me to take people seriously over their stated grievances. Even if some of them are valid, no one will for once state that their expectations were set way too high, and you are the absolute first person I've seen state anything involving what the MP was mostly marketed as, and even then, you ignore the numerous statements that were the original intent of said MP.

[Kokyu]

They need to add a better way to find tech you need. The best hyper drive Ive come across only lets me jump 300 lyrs at a time. Ive been researching every planet I land on and cant find a Tua. At this rate its going to take me 580 jumps to the center.

[Yo Mama]

I LOVED this game. But, when it started getting a little monotonous, I started doing the item glitch for unlimited fast money. Now that they've patched it, I've stopped playing. It was the one thing keeping it interesting for me. There's only so many similar planets you can explore before it gets repetitive. Being able to shop around and buying the most expensive ships was keeping me occupied..

[Valkron1]

How many patches till the game looks like the game footage on Steams store page?????

[Gh05t]

Version 2.0 which will cost you another $60 and will also be missing features talked about by the developers themselves.

[Aenea]

Can you give an itemised list of everything that is in that footage that is not in the current state of the game?

Because I looked at it and can't find anything that isn't...

[Yetter]

There is a ton that needs to be added to this game, but on the tech side of things just fixing the awful texture draw in would go a long way

[brandonbittle89]

Now this is some deja vu stuff right here.

http://n4g.com/news/1587360...

Only time will tell with everything that gets added to the game. Just like compared to vanilla Destiny (/\)here. If it wasn't upto what you invisioned then you should have learned to temper expectations and that things change in the games industry. Start up your own game with 11 or 12 friends and don't kickstart it. And I pray for you it goes well to prove me wrong, but Hello Games was given a golden goose of PR with Sony. And I knew there was nooo way it would live upto expectation, but I still enjoy(ed) the game.

[Dunban67]

The BS and abundant lies re what would be in the game did not help either

[Aenea]

Before someone listed all these so called lies about missing features, would you've been able to list them by heart? At least 5? 2? 1? I'm curious....

Though in hindsight it's easy to say you did tho, but still...

[Scatpants]

I didn't feel like there was all that much lying. I just felt the game wasn't very good.

[RosweeSon]

1.08 is also now out

[ssmilloy36]

k thanks for the info. when did a patch become front page news.

[ssmilloy36]

arc is selling dlc for an unfinished game and that's not bigger news? haters goon hate

[Dunban67]

Is anyone else getting internet security/malware warning messages when trying to click on the articles? I get the same warning message every time i click on an article- can t get through to any of them thru N4G

[Aenea]

Yep

[Dunban67]

I m glad i m not the only one but i am sorry you are getting the same message as well- I have been getting them since yesterday - i have ot go direct tot eh articles web site to read them- can t get ot them thru N4G

[Aenea]

It has happened a while back as well, a couple of times even, was resolved after a while...

It's this website that has the issue, not all the others....

[Dunban67]

thanks hopefully they will address it soon

[ITPython]

"It is now easier to scan flying animals". Nice! It was like a mini game of controller stick dexterity trying to get some of those dang birds to scan. Reminded me a bit like those drinking mini games in watch dogs.

These are some good fixes though, almost all if the main issues I had were listed as fixed. I'm a bit preoccupied with deus ex MD right now, but I look forward to jumping back to NMS when I finish (might be a few months). Which should be much more improved thanks to all the patches its getting.

[Aenea]

Just shoot them when a sentinel is close, it will then fly to it to scan it marking the spot for you where the dang bird landed, then walk up to it, say hi to the sentinel saying "wasn't me! just here to scan, like you!" and scan the bird! Voila!

But, that's now not needed anymore which is nice! Could've used that before I got the Platinum trophy :D

[ITPython]

Good thinking about the sentinal part. As I've resorted to blowing them out of the sky, but if the terrain is anything but barren, finding the bird is next to impossible.

[Scatpants]

I'll be looking out for the patch that makes it not boring.

[Aenea]

They don't do brain transplants yet :p

[Scatpants]

That must be painful for you to find out. Perhaps there's some other way you could reach my level. I've heard they're doing good things with tdcs and nootropics.

[hahaha]

I think it would be easier to develop a patch for refund.

[ITPython]

Sorry Scat, no plans for XB1 yet. So it will be many many many patches before you can know if it is boring or not.

[Scatpants]

Sorry dude I have both systems, and a gaming PC. I play games that are fun. I had high hopes for this game and bought it and it was dull and overly simplistic and repetitive.

[ITPython]

Maybe next time watch more than just the teaser trailer and hype alone before buying a game.

Just a thought.

[Enigma_2099]

what's in it... the rest of the game?

[SoulMisaki]

So it's dissapointing then.

[Themba76]

I had to explain this to a friend the other day we are in a age where you no longer get a full game straight from the package anymore those days are now gone. we are in an age where games are constantly evolving now. so in a sense what you buy from retail by the end of the year your game will be completely different we are in an age of patches,dlc and microtransactions how I miss the old days.

[jjb1981]

They should patch in some fun. That is all

[Lon3wolf]

Fun is subjective.................... ...

[MagicBeanz]

Judging by the comment section this patch isn't big enough to remove the salt from the gaming community. And these are probably by and large people that got their money back but for some reason still haven't moved on.

[Scatpants]

I believe what you're seeing is not salt, but people that bought the game and judged it to suck by playing it. I share this opinion. I don't care about all the procedural marketing BS, the game just plain isn't very fun. None of it's mechanics or features are implemented very well. Anyone that's played other far better 4X games sees this as soon as they start playing.

[MagicBeanz]

All that's fine accept for a few things. One, this is not the first time we've seen un-kept promises in gaming, not by a long shot and yet for some reason this game was placed under a very big microscope, where other games get a pass or patience to get patches out this game was given none. Two, all anyone had to do was wait for the reviews from reputable sources to know rather the game was worth purchasing. Three, as I said we have had games in the past that didn't live up to hype, expectations, or promise and we didn't see the mass outrage, backlash and rush to refund that we see here. Hate is common in the childish self entitled gaming community, a place with very little patience or understanding, a place that demands innovation and then scoffs at those who try it and maybe come up short, but I haven't seen hate for a game spread like this in some time. That's not an attack on you just my two cents.

[loxim]

Seriously, what is with N4G these last two days, all I get when I click on "read full story" is a big warning that says this is an attack page, it happens on every article I click. Anyone know?

[Lon3wolf]

Certificate issues usually, you using Chrome?

[feraldrgn]

Same issue here, using Firefox.

[loxim]

I'm using Firefox.

[DOOMZ]

At this point, who cares!

[Saito]

Ppl still trying to tear down people for liking NMS even after feature debacle? Do you guys ever got something positive to say? Or you just want your superiority complex to run rampant on the internet? Sad humans

[Scatpants]

So what you're saying is no one should ever say a negative thing about anything even if that thing deserves it?

[Saito]

Take a comprehension class.