Why PS3 Have a Blu-ray for Movies and Games

Next Generation games are going to be 20GB plus, and how we're going to fit them on DVD9's I don't know, they'll probably be a few of them. On the PS3, we're going to be using the majority of the space on those Blu-ray disks !___Mark Rein(Epic Games).

[Bhai]

Quotes from major industry Specialists as well as major game developers including PGR3 developer for X360 clears how blu-ray has the 'EDGE' here, clearing that the rain isn't in PGR3 for the content had to be cut off so either a game can be pretty on x360 or it can be featuristic. For a true next gen title to be on 360, its a sure trade-off.

Microsoft's concept of downloading major parts of a game are totally made short of, as Mark Rein states :

"Downloading 30Gb isn't really feasible. What online could be, is the back-channel to get additional content. Patches and things like that. I think what Valve has done is great."

The others are Team ninja, ninja Theory, ubisoft, Vivendi, Ea, dell computers and Guerilla etc.

That's really good to know that PS3 is gonna last for the time Sony has mentioned !

[andy capps]

Let the flaming begin........... NOW!

[shotty]

You based this article from a forum post. Ya real creditable.

[HyperBear]

If he says that next-gen games are at least 20GB, than how the hell did they Get Oblivion on a DVD9 disc then huh?, the top amount that it holds is 9GB, yet they still seemed to get the whole, beautiful game on there, so 20GB for a game, maybe in late 2007, early 2008, when games get longer and more creative. But for now, I dont think so.

[Anerythristic26]

How about never. Programming a game is an art form in the basic sence that you start with a blank page or a block of clay or marble. Nothing is there until it is programmed. They will never take the time to program a 20 or 30GB game. The production costs would be astronomical , the production time would fully double , it isn't going to happen this generation. I would really like someone to explain to me a 30gb game. If they could fit a game like Oblivion which people could play for well over 100 hours on a 9gb disk what would a 30gb game be like, Oblivion was in production for 4 years! How long would a 30gb game be in production for? Do you quadruple the amount of employees you have? If a game like that fits onto a DVD what do you use the other 20gb for, textures and trees? They looked fine in the 9gb game... you can't make them look better than the GPU can push anyway. It's not like games will look next-next gen because the media used. None if these questions are answered by anybody beyond the statement that
"BluRay is cool." Will games take 9 years to produce? I mean if you are writing a HUGE , HUGE , HUUUGGGEEE open ended SUPER game how long will it take to design it , write it , debug and quality assure it ? What do you use the extra 20 , 30 40gb for that can't already be done. You can't make the game run any faster in a pure high resolution because the hardware can't handle it. I can go on forever. This is a developer pipe dream they are trying to sell us. The Bluray is fine but really befor it's time. I have a prediction it will never be used as intended this generation of systems , mark my words.

[achira]

earlier there were games on a cd. and the storage of a dvd is 13 times bigger. but has the developing time increased by 13. surely not, because this is not linear. the process of developing will take longer, but not so much, perhaps 1.3 times longer, more not. if you have more space you can make better textures, this does not take longer, because you only change the output resolution on such programs like maya or 3dsmax. and you can store more level data, this does not take more time, because the process is: you desing a model with NURBS and convert it to Polygons. and this process does not take longer you have only to change the parameter for bigger polygon count of the end model and you have better models and better graphics, and it didnt take any longer.

[Anerythristic26]

I am not going to get into this with you. What you said has merit , I understand where your coming from. A few things you said are suspect because it reverts back to the hardware. If the PS3 can't push the amount of polys it can't push it...period. BRD is not going to help it do that. Also I will believe the uncompressed textures are better when I see it and will just leave it at that because I have heard so many times that it doesn't matter and the only people I hear saying it matters are PS3 fans. I really stand by the belief that it's time for Sony to taste defeat. Nintendo beat Atari and it was good for gaming , Sony beat Nintendo and it was good for gaming , When should anyone beat Sony , even if the challenger has a better product...never? If Sony gets slapped it will only make them stronger ( or maybe they will go away , which isn't good for gaming. )

[MoonDust]

This guy is on crack. With XNA coming out developer will use even less space.

[Anerythristic26]

FLIPPIN PERFECT...FOUND AN EXAMPLE , here ,

Howard, who has just finished executive producing critically acclaimed Xbox 360 and PC titles Oblivion, commented in the podcast: “Now that you can see one game do amazing grass, or another game do amazing facial animation, consumers are savvy enough to to know that the hardware does all of this... You kind of feel obligated to do all of that, and so the time it takes to really detail out all of these elements goes up exponentially.”

The Bethesda exec also added: “I think what we are sort of seeing is that you need to pick your battles. Meaning that the games overall might start doing less, but those elements are much, much more realized.”

Now I would like an example of HOW LONG WILL A 30GB GAME TAKE TO PRODUCE FROM CONCEPT TO RETAIL SHELVES???? please.

[Moostache]

One word = Crysis.

Go visit the sites and view the screenshots of THAT game and then take the time to relaize it is a PC title - meaning DVD-9 (because to the best of my knowledge no one is programming games for Blu-Ray on anything but the PS3 at the moment.

If a game like Crysis, with THAT level of detail and photorealism can fit on DVD-9 (or truth be told it may even be released on about 8 CD-ROMs...lol), then what exactly is a 20-30 GB game supposed to look like.

(and I agree 100% with the poster who was pointing out the fallacy of developers EVER taking that much time to put out a game. They can't just "hire more people" because of the costs and already razor thin margin of most games that aren't HUGE hits. They certainly can't take 9 years in development (unless they are making Duke Nuk'em Forever)....

Blu-Ray is a Sony trojan horse, plain and simple and no matter what people try to convince themselves of to the contrary....

[Anerythristic26]

It has been stated by the company that it will be a cross platform game. I read a preview page about the game in Game Informer magazine. In the magzine I am SURE they state it as a 360/PS3 title as well as PC. I am almost 100% sure they have an estimated release time for the 360 like Q4 whenever. I know the mag is still at home I'll try to find it my wife doesn't toss those magazines because my son's look at them also.

[joemutt]

Its not as bad as you think. If there were a 25GB "Call of Duty 4" just for example. The first week you are playing, you use disc 1, the French Campaign. Next week, you will play on Disc 2, the American Campaign.

There is no swapping discs like all the fanboys are saying:

"I dont want to get up in the middle of a game and have to change discs"

You wont have to, you will play for hours and hours, and finally make it to the second disc, and wont have to put disc 1 in ever again.

Multiple discs is not bad, the developers must do it right however, so you dont have to swap discs every 30 min.

[sonyISgod]

excuse, How could you come up with that lame excuse? we don't care about changing disc. We love changing disc, We have load of fun during disc change. Wow i never heard anyone want play multi-discs game over one disc game. This is completely in denial. To except that fact is one thing but this is just sad. these peoples are just sad.

[PS360PCROCKS]

blah blah...ok I am just going to say so many of you are right, except for that guy^^ he's just dumb, but your right the time it would take to produce a game with the level of visibility and creativity and realism over 30 GB would take so long people would forget about it by the time it was done, it would take 10 years, it's not that they cant use more space to make a HUGE game, but with the time spent on designing everything with more detail in the next gen, theirs not enough time for them to expand the game space by 30 times, it's just not feasible

[PittzBlitz2003]

Any way you look at it, larger disc space is not a bad thing. Sure, Oblivion may fit on a DVD9 but it is highly compressed. If it was uncompressed it would probably be closer to 13 gigs. Compression lowers the quality of information in any situation unless a lossless compression technique is used which really doesn't lower the file size much. Also not having to uncompress data before it is used saves on processing power. So being able to leave a game in its full state will be a good thing. Oblivion recirculated textures a lot too and larger disc space will help to prevent this to an extent. And not having to compress the data will save time for production.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Good point never thought about that...but we would have to see the difference of a HD-dvd one and a regular DVD one to see if their is a big difference or not

[TBAteam]

In the past year i helped work on a MMO for the PC using next gen things like Speed Tree,pixle shader 2.0,real time wind, and normal,bump,paralax mapping. The raw versions i tested out with the team came out to about 4.8GBs... and thats not compressed at all.
And everyone knows MMOs take up alot of space already.

i fail to see how next gen games will fill a DVD9 even, Oblivion wasnt close to not fitting, the PC version is only 5.2GB i beleive.

Also, is two discs really the end of the world? with RE:4 on the GC i dont think anyone minded taking 5 seconds to swap em out.