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History Has Proven That Getting Upset Over Exclusive First-Party Games Is A Non-Issue

During Sony's E3 press conference when it was unveiled via a trailer that Insomniac Games was making...

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Hardiman3259d ago

I love exclusive games. Devs only having to worry about working with one system and trying to make it the very best it can for said system.

legionsoup3259d ago

Agreed - to add to that, if you have and support all the systems, you can get any exclusive you want.

Eonjay3258d ago

Im not convinced that exclusives really matter unless they have enough public appeal to really grab attention. I feel this way because there are really too many games out there to be worried about what you can't play.

Whirlwind_Fanfare_083259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

Same. Anybody that thinks exclusives are bad just need to stop playing games. -___-

Edit: LOL at the disagrees.

starchild3259d ago

I have the same outlook on this subject that I've had for years. Exclusives are good for the platform holders, but are not really good for gamers in general. I think our industry will eventually evolve beyond exclusives, but it may take a long time.

Imagine if we had to buy a particular brand of Blu-ray player to watch certain movies. Or a particular brand of phone or MP3 player just to listen to certain favorite songs. It would be terrible. But that's basically what we have to deal with in the gaming industry.

badz1493258d ago

"Imagine if we had to buy a particular brand of Blu-ray player to watch certain movies."

We did until last gen. Remember BD vs HD DVD? Remember when BD almost won early and a certain party hand out a couple hundred mil dollars to Paramount and Dreamworks to prolong the war? Luckily Warner did what was right for the consumer several months later to end the war for good.

But stop trying to move the goalpost regarding exclusives already! It was just last year when the Xbox camp sang in unity "biggest lineup of Xbox history" and "console with the best exclusives"! And now suddenly exclusives "...are not really good for gamers in general"?! Right after the Xbone is becoming a multiplat only console, now it all changed for you guys!

Exclusives matter! Deal with it!

starchild3258d ago

"Luckily Warner did what was right for the consumer several months later to end the war for good."

Well, at least you recognize that the exclusives situation wasn't good for consumers. The companies themselves want exclusives to help drive people to their platforms, but exclusives really don't benefit consumers as a whole.

"But stop trying to move the goalpost regarding exclusives already! It was just last year when the Xbox camp sang in unity "biggest lineup of Xbox history" and "console with the best exclusives"!

I don't even own an Xbox of any kind. I have no dog in this fight. I'm mainly concerned with taking principled positions on issues. I've never once said anything about the Xbox having the best exclusives or the best lineup in history. I challenge you to find any comment where I have said such a thing.

I see all the fanboy camps flip-flopping depending on different talking points and what their preferred platform is strong in at the moment.

But I've had the same view about this for years and I can dig up comments of mine proving that to be the case.

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SpaceRanger3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

I remember a certain fanbase last gen that thought only call of duty and other dude bro games mattered and that exclusives didn't. It really happened all last gen, and especially toward the end going into this gen.

Then all of a sudden that same fanbase now says exclusives matter. Lol? They've always mattered and there's only two systems that have pushed for them since the early 90s. Having a few exclusives coming out during the last three months of each year is nothing close to the competition.

Can't wait for all of the successful indie devs (being heavily supported this gen by the leading company) to make big budget exclusive games! That's how devs like NaughtyDog, who lead this gen in all gameplay aspects, were formed.

Edit: grammatical error

Kingthrash3603259d ago

Lol then in the beginning of this gen, including this exact time last year"some fan base" BOASTED on how it has the "best exclusives ", "most holiday exclusives ", and" best exclusive line up EVER"...now it's exclusives don't matter...

In truth..as far as selling ANYTHING AGAINST COMPETITION YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING THE COMPETITION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. Period.
No matter if it's gameing, food, movies, soda, orange juice...whatever. if you have competition that sales the same medium you have to have something for to draw customers to your product. In this case of consoles, you have 3rd party games which mostly come to all consoles so in order to sell your console via 3rd party games companies were making deals to have exclusive dlc...or dlc on their console first.
Exclusives are more important than that especially 1st party, becuse you don't have to pay extra for exclusive or timed content. ..you have a automatic draw to your console and don't have to pay extra for exclusive dlc....nor do you have to lose sales to the other platforms.....console or not....so it's very important.
I'm still baffled about MS leaving exclusives out and still think to sell consoles....that's just one reason alot of people (including myself) think MS is on its way out of console gaming and want to go full pc. Why launch a new console at a disadvantage? I know many don't want to build a pc....but still you are losing potential sales by having your major draw, drawing sales somewhere else instead of toward sellING your console.

Majister-Ludi3259d ago

Only a fool would think they were on the way out of the console market lol.

starchild3259d ago

"as far as selling ANYTHING AGAINST COMPETITION YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING THE COMPETITION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL."

You said it yourself, you have to have something the competition doesn't have. The PS4 is the Xbox One's main competition and it doesn't have those games so it really doesn't matter much if those games are available on PC. The fact they aren't available on the competitors console means they are exclusive in the console space which is where it really matters. Features and other aspects of the experience also differentiate the platforms.

Kingthrash3603259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

Only a fool would think they'll stay just to lose money on hardware every generation.
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.....lol Ya see that's where you are wrong.....pc is now it's main competition.
Not only do they just share 3rd party games, they share 1st party games as well. That's why the ps4 is no longer the xbox's main competition.
You'll see when any 1st party game comes and digital foundry compares pc vs xbox/scorpio.
If they would have kept their exclusives they would be in great shape but since it's gunna go head up against pc with games like halo and gears it's not a great thing. We've never seen halo get comparisons to any other platform.
PC is a competitor in gaming, and Xbox just left competition on equal grounds going against the ps4....bUT now you are gunna see games running much better on the competition. ...complete with mods and stuff.
Smh...but ok guess we'll ignore that fact.

starchild3258d ago

That makes no sense, Kingthrash360. How is the Xbox now competing with the PC more than with the PS4? Xbox has always shared a lot of exclusives with PC. Console gamers aren't going to suddenly switch to PC in mass just because the rest of Microsoft's exclusives are available on PC too.

The PC has always been a strong platform with a lot of benefits, but many people still chose to game on consoles. I don't see that changing to any radical degree.

Playstation consoles will continue to be the main competitors to Xbox consoles.

Kingthrash3603258d ago (Edited 3258d ago )

Last time the Xbox sold more than playstation was when halo released.
That in itself should spell it out quite clear.
The fact that halo, your biggest system seller will be available and better on another platform should tell you why sharing it with pc isn't a great idea for selling consoles.
Halo is a system seller. Always has been.
Now it's a system(s) seller. It will sell PC as well as xbox.....who is competing with who?
You telling me we gunna count pc and Xbox sales together????
Because if not then pc will be it's biggest competition.
If yes then the Xbox is a pc. No matter how you flip it you can't call what MS is doing productive for the xbox. It's productive for pc tho. Very much so.
Pc gains legendary games like halo and Xbox gains what??? Less sales?? They aren't even getting pc library of games. Smh how don't people see the obvious?
The Xbox is now a device to sell windows. That's it. It's numbers count as windows sales, windows don't count as xbox sales. Windows, being a pc thing, is of more value and they want to boast windows number using xbox even though windows is in a minimum state on xbox....MS is using former xbox exclusive games to sell windows.
This is full on fact. Buy for some reason yall areally not worried for xbox. Lol but I'm the troll because I see whats happening. Seems like only the true game fans want the Xbox to sell....and get called troll for it smdh.

Tell me....how will this help sell xbox? Just tell me that. Dont just disagree....tell me HOW WILL THIS HELP SELL XBOX CONSOLES?

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rainslacker3259d ago

Exclusives give companies something substantial to market specifically to their system. It's always been this way. No one exclusive game probably matters that much, outside the rare "system sellers", but when put in combination with the entire selection of exclusives, they most certainly help to form a perception of that particular console's game line up that will differentiate it from the competition. If a company has a good variety of high profile exclusives, and a nice mix of games that appeal to a broad audience, the perception on the larger consumer market is that it has more to offer...even if half the games don't appeal to them, because it's easy to see what is actually unique about that console....and that will almost invariably be the games selection.

Multi-plats do sell systems as well, and in those cases, people just go wherever they feel is best, and for those, neither company can really market them to the point where they are a defining feature on their own. That's why they go for the DLC stuff, because people who are into those games, are going to want that content as soon as possible, and not wait it out.

Bottom line....people buy consoles primarily for games. Not features....except in some cases...not power....not brand....but games. All other factors are ancillary, and have an effect, but a game will draw someone to buy a console faster than any other factor out there....and the more exclusives a console has, and the more variety they have in those exclusives....the more people are going to be attracted to it.

Who cares what a certain fan base said before? Games sell systems.

wonderfulmonkeyman3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

"Everything on a case-by-case basis." That's my motto.

For some third party games, it might not be a good idea due to upsetting a lot of fans.
I imagine Battlefield going exclusive for a game or two would leave a lot of people put out.
However, in cases like Bayonetta 2, where there were good reasons for it to happen and enough support was offered to make the game a reality in the first place, it's a different story.

I feel, however, that the ones most likely to be upset by third party games receiving some exclusive action, are those that are either too broke to afford a second console, or let loyalty to, or hatred against, any certain console prevent them from showing support towards the games, which are what should matter most, through purchasing the console they appear on.

Now, the first type, who are too broke, I can sympathize with.
But the second, are the ones most likely to let their emotions turn them towards port begging, which you can see happening whenever someone cries for Nintendo to drop consoles.

And port beggars, lately, due to the idiocy of many of their arguments, get me more ruffled than any cat who's ever had its tail stepped on..

hades073259d ago

@ Wonderfulmonkeyman - I would like to add a third group "too busy to play all of the awesome exclusives". All of my friends own an Xbox one mainly for multiplayer. I own two xbox ones, depending on where I am too in my home and where the wife is I can still play. I would love to have a PS4 as well but my Xbox one backlog alone is enough. I may do what I did last generation. I waited a few years, picked up a PS3 for cheap with Uncharted 1,2, 3; God of War 3 and Ascension, The Last of US, and some others. Took a year away from my x360 and played all the PS3 games I missed out on.

OB1Biker3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

Yea I certainly agree that not everyone has time and money to play all the games they d like to. Only on my consoles and handhelds I can't play everything I'd like to and honestly it's would be a waste of money for me to get a different eco system in addition simple as that. I feel it's the same thing for many gamers. They go for their preferred platform and get more games to choose from than they could manage.

rainslacker3258d ago (Edited 3258d ago )

I don't buy the too broke thing. That may be the case for some, perhaps even many, but not everyone is willing to just plop down a substantial amount of money just to play one game. As an example(which doesn't actually reflect me or my spending habits), I might be the biggest fan of Bayonetta there ever was, but doesn't mean I want to spend $300 on a system, and another $60 on the game to play it. However, Bayonetta doesn't fall into my category of practices I don't like. If a system doesn't have much else to interest me beyond that one game, then I see no reason to expend the money, despite it not even making a dent in my bank account. Even if I can play multi-plat games on it, it's still a redundant purchase, because I can also play those on whatever system does have the exclusives that would interest me.

Being prudent with one's purchases does not make one go broke...and in fact, is how one ends up not being broke in the first place.

As far as the loyalty part, in some cases I feel this may be true. But it would depend on the exclusive itself. if it's a game that has either been exclusive to one system for a while now not being available, or multi-plat for a while not being available anymore, I feel it's perfectly justifiable to be upset. Not in cases like Bayonetta where it's the best the dev could get to even make the game, but in every other instance I feel people are perfectly justified in their disdain. I like less the people who are on the end to receive the game saying it's no big deal, or trying to find some sort of hypocrisy in the fan base to excuse it and make it acceptable even lower on my respect meter.

The only time I take offense to exclusive 3rd party games, is when they're done as a way for console makers to market their system by denying a game to another system. Whether this is timed or perpetual. And I don't care for them regardless of if they're on my system of choice, or even a game I have no interest in at all. All other exclusives based on other factors are OK with me.

-Foxtrot3259d ago

Really just depends what game it is

If Gears of War wasn't bought by Microsoft and it was going to be a timed exclusive to the PS4 then I wouldn't like that....it's a Microsoft thing, always has been

Same when it's the other way round like when Tomb Raider was a timed Microsoft exclusive

Obviously Sony has more of an advantage since they have more franchises more assoicated with the PS brand but it's just a thing.

For me Tomb Raider, GTA, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts and so on need to be played on a PS

Where when you have something like a timed exclusive Dead Rising 4...it's fine because it's always been more of an Xbox thing.

darthv723259d ago

Timed exclusive is not the same as full exclusive. At least with timed, the game eventually comes out and usually improved (worth the wait is subjective). The only time where Tomb Raider was exclusive was for the 2nd and 3rd games out of the 11 in the whole series. And the 2nd was almost non exclusive to begin with.

Certain games people associate with certain systems. It usually is what they first played on and grew up with.

jb2273259d ago

I personally see timed exclusives as far worse than full ones. Full exclusives are developed hand in hand w/ their console partners, they are games that wouldn't have existed in that form w/o that console's involvement. Timed exclusives are games that are already created, somewhere in the 11th hour a console just throws a lot of money at them in order to get bragging rights. Timed exclusive deals don't create anything, they just play a game of "keep away" from the other platform's fan base in order to strong arm them into purchasing a console they may not otherwise desire. There are obviously exceptions to the rule, mainly in the form of indies that are forced to focus in on 1 or 2 platforms because they don't have the funds to go fully multi, but by & large timed exclusives are just anti consumer practices in my eyes.

Regardless of where a franchise may find its main fan base, when a game is coming along & the console's funds for timed exclusivity only results in lining the pockets of the publisher w/ a quick buck, there really is nothing decent about it really. I'm personally glad that RotTR sold poorly relative to the last installment & I'm hoping it doesn't do well on the PS4 when it releases, if for no other reason than to dissuade platforms from this quick fix mentality. Consoles should be funneling their funds towards creating wares, whether through 1st or 3rd parties, not stealing existing games from other platforms.

Timed practices also seem to push console brass to lie to potential consumers. In order for their timed deals to be worthwhile, you've got guys like Spencer & Greenberg actively trying to confuse & mislead consumers, first they tried to market it as a full exclusive in a shady manner before being forced into admitting that they didn't own the title...then Spencer went on to equate the game to Ryse or DR3, two games that obviously didn't and wouldn't hit other platforms aside from PC. This was an obvious attempt to try to trick gamers into thinking RotTR would never hit PS4, and it was shameful....he was essentially using his core fanbase to spread misinformation because his hands were tied & he couldn't spread that misinformation himself. One of the main reasons I dislike the dude as a head of Xbox. He also said during that time that he "wasn't a fan of timed deals" & that he didn't want to do them personally, yet we turn around and have DR4, another scenario where gamers were left in the dark for a few days before Capcom came out and insinuated, again w/o fully clarifying that that game would be timed.

OB1Biker3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

The worst is the 'artistic blur'.
I don't mind too much exclusives when everything is Crystal clear from the reveal, so to speak.

freshslicepizza3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

@jb227

why do you refuse to comment about timed dlc and games like destiny that sony partnered with? you are either for timed exclusive deals or you are not, you can't just pick and choose because you don't like some guy. and another game, no mans land was supposed to hit other platforms besides ps4 and pc until sony came in and decided to be the publisher. now we have no idea if it will ever come to the xbox or nx. so why is that ok?

it's becoming disingenuous on your part how you continually hold sony to a different set of standards just because you prefer their consoles.

and i agree with darth72, timed exclusives are only temporary. getting deals on place to restrict others from playing forever is not really in the best interest of gamers. so start acting like a consumer and not a brand warrior.

you also debated time and again how the xbox is losing its appeal because microsoft is also supporting the pc yet you refused to buy tomb raider for the pc and are upset it was timed exclusive to the xbox and delayed for the ps4 for a year. you keep contradicting yourself all because you are not supportive of anything mcirosoft does.

Kallisti3259d ago

If the first Gears of War was a timed exclusive and did come out on the ps3, you wouldn't be thinking of it that way. It's only because Gears of War is an established Microsoft IP with 4 games now that you see it like that.

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

dveio6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

BeHunted4h ago

Because Sony knows people will be forced to pay those prices for single player and multiplayer games, not everyone prefers PC gaming. Sony also has a monopoly on PlayStation digital games. In 2019, they stopped allowing retailers and game key sellers to sell PlayStation digital games, making them available only through the official PlayStation Store

anast6h ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

Eonjay6h ago

They should be suing the individual publishers increasing the prices to $80 instead of suing the store. There are plenty of publishers still selling game for like $50 with much success (like E33). But this proves that the publishers are the ones setting the prices.... so again nothing changes because they aren't even going after the main offender. How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD? Sony being the number one store in the market doesn't mean that publisher have to charge us an arm and a leg. Again the industry is laughing at us because consumers never get real representation. Just these fake platitudes that are meaningless.

BeHunted4h ago

"How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD"

Because Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I can purchase Call of Duty at a huge discount from CDKeys or other gaming retailers. The only way to purchase digital PlayStation games is through the PlayStation Store.

djl34853h ago

Weird, I swore GoW, Stellar Blade, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU, etc. were on the steam store....uh.....

Killer2020UK4h ago

About time. There is zero fair reason why digitally distributed products that you cannot recoup any value when you want to dispose of them, should be priced higher than that of physical copies that entail all of the costs and the benefits of owning.

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Cancelled Batman Game Featuring Damian Wayne Character Designs Surface

"Project Sabbath" was a cancelled Batman game by WB Games Montreal where Damien Wayne was set to take on the mantle of the Bat.

Terry_B2d ago

Its time Damian ...and his mother too & how his son came to be will be a big part in a background story of a Batman movie, series or game.

-Foxtrot1d 23h ago

I'd have rather seen Terry than Damian especially to see what they could have done with Terry in the Arkhamverse

excaliburps13h ago

No, WB doesn't want anything fun since suits want live service garbage for max revenue. LOL!

Shame. If we are getting any Batman games like these, it'll be years away.

LordStig1h ago

YES! make an Arkham game with Terry as Batman and call it Batman Beyond Arkham.

Babadook78h ago

Not to be confused with Damon Wayans.

jznrpg8h ago

I’m not a big superhero fan but I do enjoy the Batman and SpiderMan games. Too bad this one got cancelled. WB has been mostly shite live service.

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Undead Citadel Reaches PlayStation VR2 Next Week

Undead Citadel, a medieval-era VR action game, arrives next week on PlayStation VR2.

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Abnor_Mal1d 22h ago

Is this game one of those every time you die the enemy location is shuffled?