DSOGaming writes: "A couple of weeks ago, we had the pleasure of interviewing id Software’s Tiago Sousa and Axel Gneiting. And as you may have guessed, we asked the team about the advantages of OpenGL over DX11 (and vise versa) and why it chose Vulkan over DX12."
Thomas Mahler: "Since it's quite bananas that a lot of players still do not understand the economy behind game development, I thought it'd be best to just break down a real example of a really successful first-time developer who managed to make a deal with a publisher. "
I wouldnt call a game that costs 10 million to make and had over 30 people from different companies working on it an indie game.
Seriously, no.
its an independent studio that is not owned by any big studio or publisher. what else would you call them?
I don't get it..
He starts with 10M cost for the game excluding marketing and continues to detract "other"costs...
Why are the costs of storefront, engine etc not included in the 10M?
CEO makes CEO noises.
If he takes a 1 million dollar bonus every year the game is being made and the game took 5 years to be made, the "cost" isn't 10 million, it should be 5 million.
It's just more magical accounting. This industry is replete with it.
@Santouryuu
Yeah, it's weird. On top of that, he subtracts engine, tax from HIS own money, but this should be put on the publisher (or at least be split, 50%/50% or how they agree), because they're benefitting from the sales as well. On top of that, he makes it look like he didn't get a cent, but he (and his team) was paid the salary the whole way through, with bonuses and stuff. Probably rent for the office was taken care of as well and licenses/devices too.
And also, he acts like his games' average price was $10 (by the way, if the game cost $10 million, who decided to sell it for $20?! Sounds idiotic), which is ridiculous, popular indie games don't do 50% discount right after release and the most of the sales are done a few months after release (according to the publishers). As an example, look at Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, Kenshi, they either didn't have 50% discount yet or had it years after the release.
Also, he acts like the game was only sold on Steam, but that's false. And Microsoft, i'm more than sure, didn't take 30% from them (because it's a game published by them on their platform).
The only thing this tells me is that someone is trying to manipulate us and you shouldn't work with Microsoft if you want to remain sane.
because thats what he has to HAVE RIGHT NOW to develop the next game (engine, tax andso on)
Yes xbox of course did not have the 30% tax but then again he is just making a hypothetical, I am pretty sure their game did not sell exactely 20millions ^^
Its not the cost of storefront. Your game made 20million but from those 20million the store takes 30%. Steam took 30% from the 20million you made. got it?
If you make 20million in sales Steam takes 6 million.
So you only get 14millions. Then you have to pay back what you owe the publisher, so 10millions in devcost and 2million in marketing.
So you are left with 2millions.
From the 2millions of pure profit 70% goes to the publisher and 30% to the developer (depending on your contract)
So you are left with 600k to pay for your next game, for now.
lots of numbers but very clearly put
Hi-Fi Rush developer Tango Gameworks has revealed a brand new logo/website, and that it is currently working on an unannounced action game.
IO Interactive is doing their own showcase this Friday and have revealed what is in store.
It may be interesting.
I am curious about their decision to do their own show.
Vulkan and DX12 are very similar but their decision to support Vulkan was based on W7 and W8 support unlike DX12 which is W10. Supporting the ones who havent upgraded to a DX12 gpu / W10 is very considerate.
whichever works for the developers. i think DX12 though will be a popular choice.
Some will choose and some won't, don't see why somepeople are trying to constantly make directx12 look bad as they both good. Basically it will fall down to what works best for the devs and what ticks the boxes while creating there games as to what tools they will use, but this is around the 4th time in a fortnight I've seen someone trying to make a fuss over it and basically making Dx12 to look like the bad guy, which is very sad.
It seems as though there will always be haterz and despite ms having a good thing with dx12, seems as though there's some very sour grapes around who want to try and give ms and dx12 some bad rep, shame on them as it won't work. It is obvious that not every developer will like one or the other and will choose one over the other.
It's even more sad that you guys pulling dx12 down are happy enough to report which devs scrubbed dx12 in favour of vulkan, but why not try reporting on who's scrubbed vulkan in favour of dx12, report both and let's see the numbers of devs on both sides rather than trying to humiliate one party.
Does this hold true for AMD architecture only?
Obviously, if AMD had their own OS, they would be doing the same as MS. But, they don't thus it makes sense to push it across many platforms as possible since none of those platforms affect sales of any of AMD products and only increase their odds for profit.. I don't understand the hate when it comes to open-platform items. Competition is good; I like Nvidia and Windows 7, but I support FreeSync and Vulkan because that's how you keep companies on their toes. I will say that it is a shitty practice for another division of MS to hold their games hostage to help MS OS division make sells...