We found RX 480 Gaming Benchmarks And They Aren't What We Expected From A 199$ Card

The RX 480 was benchmarked running on games like GTA 5, The Witcher 3, Doom, CSGO and Overwatch. Hint: The benchmarks are much better than we expected.

[pyroxxx]

So this runs in Neo? Seams pretty beastly card for so cheap,..

[Deeke]

I don't think the Neo sports an RX 480, despite the sites matching the specs. Project Scorpio, however, will likely use a customized RX 480.

According to AMD's own slides, the Radeon RX 480 has 5+ TFLOPs of power and delivers "beyond HD" gaming, which is a clear indicator.

[TheCommentator]

Exactly. Sony will be using the same architecture of the PS4, but will double the Aces and bump the clock speeds up on the GPU side, which will also improve the RAM bandwidth just as rumors have suggested. On the CPU side, it seems likely that they will use new cores with a higher clock rather than try to overclock, but the new cores will probably share similar architecture to that of the standard PS4 CPU in order to better maintain compatibility and simplify programming for both Neo and standard PS4.

I don't believe Neo is using an RX480. If anything, the RX480 is much closer to both the performance of Scorpio and the architecture of the XB1.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

Signs show PS4Neo does use RX480, DigitalFoundry even said it matches point to pint with what their sources say.

The 4.4TF of PS4Neo comes from a slightly weaker CPU which bottlenecks the AMD RX480. Ofcourse, we don't know SHIT !
It can be that Sony will opt for a better CPU which will make them utilize that 5TF+ power.

[objdadon]

Actually no one knows what the neo is using, there are reports that there are two different versions being tested.

[Aenea]

Neo will probably use Polaris but downclocked to be more energy efficient.

Scorpio probably will use next year's Vega but also downclocked to be more energy efficient.

@TheCommentator
They can't just add a few CUs on the older GPUs since that type of chip doesn't exist in that configuration, they probably use Polaris like on the rx 480

[Soapboxhero]

Was about to come in and reply the same as Aenea, the rumored Neo spec is a rx480 running at 953Mhz instead of the 1200Mhz that the PC card does which would result in the tflops number being closer to 4 instead of 5.

Where as the scorpio will likely run a slightly underclocked version of Vega, the only point of contention with the vega theory is that it seems that the scorpio will be using some form of gddr5 vram either 8gbps on a 384 bit bus or gddr5x (therefore 10+ gbps) on a 256bit bus, these numbers come from the memory bandwidth listed by microsoft in the conference and the die shot clearly showing more traditional memory chips and not stacked memory, either way Vega is intended to be HBM2 not G5.

Anyways, personally very excited for the RX480 because of its ridiculously low power draw this card could be an absolute beast when overclocked. Hopefully will become "the" card to get when building a decent midrange computer.

[GeeksULTD]

I dont think so, the RX480 is a separate dedicated GPU, its unlike how consoles are built.

[dreadz74]

lol Rx480 and leaked ps4 neo specs are the same. reason lower tflop is because GPU inside console can't be clocked so high therefore less tflops. please do some research b4 making statements as facts. Bottom line Rx 480 in Ps4 neo is clocked lower so expect lower results. Scorpio is not using Rx480 as Overclocked Rx 480 is under 6 tflops but once again Console gpu can't be the same as CPu gpu or OC version too much heat.. Scorpio is using Vega most likely Rx 490 which has not been announced yet .

[dantesparda]

Wow, the level of ignorance here is astronomical, the Neo almost certainly uses a Polaris 10 GPU core, its just that its clocked at a lower speed (911mhz) instead of its PC card speed of 1266mhz. Which is what makes the Neo 4.2TF vs 5.8TF on the PC. But Sony could easily up the GPU clock and just make sure the Neo has the proper cooling and power supply, heck they can even take out the PSU like the X1 did to keep the heat down. I also dont believe that Scorpio is going to have a Vega core, but instead is just going using the regular Polaris 10 core at is normal speed of 1266mhz, thereby having 5.8TF on the GPU, add the CPUs TFlops and call it 6TF. Also, did nobody notice just how terrible the card was at keeping a steady 60fps at only 1080p? Yet, you people actually think they going to achieve 4K 60fps on AAA games? Prepare to be disappointed.

[Mithan]

We don't know the neo specs. Could be a 480 in it.

[TheCommentator]

@ Aenea

PS4's GPU doesn't exist in its configuration either... because it was modified. Sony doubled the Aces from the original spec of the GPU they chose when they built the PS4, so of course they can modify it again. The question is will they modify it again or go with the downclocked 480?

To anybody who claims there's a lot of ignorance around here: You guys need to remind yourselves that you are speculating just like anybody else, therefore everyone here is ignorant because there's no data to prove one theory over the other. Both theories end up coming to approximately the same performance.

[Errorist76]

Funny how people disagree. I'm a Sony guy but those are just facts.

[demonddel]

So I thought Sony didn't announced anything yet

[Sharky231]

They just said that it exist. That's it no specs or release window.

[ONESHOTV2]

not the full version i think maybe a bit cut down the full cards normally produces a lot of heat that's why console makers use laptop parts because the box is a bit small

[ninsigma]

Not necessarily cut down per se but certainly it'll be custom and not just a clear cut rx 480. We don't know jack about it anyway, so it might not even use this card.

[babadivad]

it's assumed the Neo runs a down-clocked version of this GPU.

[uth11]

Digital Foundry thinks it does, but clocked slower.

[Errorist76]

No it doesn't. It will run Scorpio however.

[bmf7364]

My friend considered selling his 390x for two of these.

Remember, the issue with crossfire/SLI is that only a select amount of games support the feature. Otherwise you're better off running on a single-card. That would have to be the pro of considering xFire 480's vs. a single 1080.

[cleft5]

Well supposedly Windows 10/Direct X12 is suppose to release architecture that allows any two cards of similar type to work together and have the game just use that power like it would one card. If this ends up happening it will be huge for AMD.

[Lon3wolf]

I thought it enabled you to use any cards mix and match NVida with AMD if you wished, sure I have read that somewhere?

[TheCommentator]

Yup. XDMA is an Explicit Multi Adapter. SLI and Crossfire are Implicit Multi Adapters. EMA has the advantage, not only to utilize any two cards, but also to create a single memory pool from the two seperate cards, and even direct processing to specific hardware within the cards themselves.

In theory, one could have an AMD card for FL 12.0 and an Nvidia card for FL12.1 features, and the EMA will split code to each card according to those features. Really cool stuff.

[bmf7364]

@TheCommentator

Again a feature limited to certain games (as of right now it's a DX12 exclusive feature) with games like Ashes of Singularity supporting it.

[Ysmir6723]

90% of my games support sli.Use nvidia inspector.

[Stevonidas]

Love this comment from their Witcher 3 "benchmark":

"The game was played on a system with an i5-6400 and had the terribly optimized hairworks off."

Funny, my two year-old GTX 980 handles the "terribly optimized" Hairworks just fine at 1080p with all settings on their maximum value. That's the difference between a $200 card and a $400-500 card. If you want to play the game the way it was meant to be played, you gotta pony up some coin. Otherwise, stick to consoles.

Face it: the RX 480 simply can't hack it when it comes to AAA games.

And hell yes I'm biased. I wasn't always an nVidia user. AMD made me into one.

[FPSFox]

Absolute BS. I have an overclocked Titan X and needed to find a mod that turned hairworks off on just Geralt as my FPS would drop to 40s if the camera got too close to his head. Settle down please.

[SunnyZ]

Somethings wrong with your setup/card then.
Running game max settings, hair works max. Never drops below 60fps with my 980 @ 1080...

[FPSFox]

@ SunnyZ Wow, look at this. FPS dropping below 60 just riding around on a horse in this benchmark and that's not even getting close to the hair. Looks like someone can't tell the difference between 60 and 30 I guess

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Stevonidas]

Update your drivers, Chief.

@ONESHOTV2

i7 3700k OC'd @ 4.2 GHz
EVGA GTX 980 Superclocked
32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 memory
Windows 10

[ONESHOTV2]

why dont you give out your full specs your comment sounds a bit fishy i doubt it's true

[Krew_92]

I remember turning the aliasing down or off on Hair Works to get it running almost perfect

[Mystogan]

Isnt hairworks an NVIDIA technology? That could explain why it runs better on NVIDIA cards.

[TheCommentator]

^^ This.

[fanboysmackdown]

The card hasn't even released and you're giving us your biased/unbiased opinion. Yep, the knowitalls are aplenty around these parts.

[Deeke]

Hairworks was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to work better with Nvidia cards.

[GameBoyColor]

Only the top end cards too, they shafted their older cards

[FPSFox]

No, sorry, bud. Only the latest drivers in my rig. I suggest selling that magical 980 though. I mean it's better than a Titan X. Could probably sell it for 700.00 at least ;)

[TheFirstClassic]

The huge difference in fps from such a small effect makes it unoptimized. Doesn't matter if a beastly card can run it.

"Face it: the RX 480 simply can't hack it when it comes to AAA games."

LOL

[jessionpc]

<- pc builder of 14 years.

Hairworks is a proprietary software from Nvidia. It also runs like absolute trash, I have a Titan X and I'm amazed Nvidia EVER put that, "technology", up for grabs. ANYTHING to keep tricking trashy stupid consumers into thinking they're the best. And the funny thing? It works. Ive tested every main AMD/Nvidia top card since the 5870 and 480 generation. I've given them fair treatment and they BOTH had issues.

The last time I saw problems with AMD was with the 5870. THAT is were the bias should have ended because they upped their game. The 6970 was one of the highest overclockable cards I've ever used in my life, it was a fucking MONSTER, and was almost able to go toe to toe to the 580 for significantly less. The 7970 was less impressive but it still offered awesome value. The 290rx is still to this day 1 of the greatest cards I've ever used, where it's single and only drawback was it's heat making CF unreasonable. And ever since they've offered BETTER performance for LESS. And people STILL fanboy Nvidia! HAHA!

BTW, the 580 was a cheap rebrand, the 780 generation brought on the biggest scam ever, "Rebranding the x80 as a TITAN version, upping the performance by 10% over previous years and charging almost TWICE the cards worth." the 970 was a fkn LIE, the 780 was SUPPOSED to be a 4k card, but they quietly never told you it never used HDMI 2.0 standard and was glitchy as FK. They lie with their benchmarks, they send their reviewers golden cards, they invite all their fanboy youtubers to big ass ranch vacations and give them free gear to, "help promote the industry ;)" And I'm sure they've done worse, "I said what I KNOW, I didn't even go digging."

And now we have them continuing to, "push the envelope", by sticking their nose in the air and not trying to help push the industry forward with consoles because of their pc master race bias. AMD owns the consoles, has no competition and you can bet your ass they're milkin that SWEET apu cash and slacking it HARD, where as we COULD have had an arms race, "sellers market", and had better bang for our buck.

But hey, fk being pro consumer when you can be a blind fanboy lapdog siren who squeels in all directions converting everything in sight.

[shmowboyfebop]

Ruthless

[Nathan_Hale53]

First, hairworks was optimized for Nvidia cards, it will run a lot better for Nvidia cards thanks to Gimpworks, and secondly I haven't seen a single video of a 980 run ultra Witcher 3 with hairworks on completely stay 60 fps. Every video bench marking the 980, typically shows it droping a lot into the high 40's. Now, a Titan X should be running it fine so I call BS, but a 980 doesn't run hairworks particularly well.

[Errorist76]

BS. Also the reason for that is the one is an AMD card and yours is from NVIDIA.

[ShadowKnight]

What about in 4K 60fps?

[Pandamobile]

You're not gonna find that in a $200 GPU just yet. It could probably manage that in older games though.

[jukins]

Yea don't get too far ahead of yourself. This card is for people looking to get greater performance 5han consoles whiles not breaking the band

[Stevonidas]

In Castle Crashers? Sure.

[ShadowKnight]

I'll stick with the GTX 1080

[FlameBaitGod]

You really expect to get 4k + 60 FPS out of $200 bucks lol, the GTX 1080 barely does that and its three to four times its price.

[ShadowKnight]

I actually already ordered the GTX 1080 from MSI for 4K content

[FlameBaitGod]

Then y ask "What about in 4K 60fps?"

GG WP

[ShadowKnight]

I wanted to know if it could play 4K content in 60fps and compare the difference.

[m2stech]

They keep saying 199$ but show the performance of the 8gb card which is 229$ while the 199$ is the 4gb version

[NatureOfLogic_]

Wow! BIG difference in price there.

[FlameBaitGod]

30 bucks diff lol

[shmowboyfebop]

It is an important distinction.

[jznrpg]

30$ is pretty harsh for going from 4gb to 8gb card , what are they thinking??

[ocelot07]

Still thinking off getting 2 of these or a single 1070. I know some games don't support crossfire.

[FlameBaitGod]

Yeah, I'm planning on doing the same thing. I've had Nvidia all my life and got tired of their over priced products. AMD is releasing new software and I believe they are making it a lot easier for crossfire set up to work as one card.

[ONESHOTV2]

too much heat i have 4 fans and water cooling on the cpu to keep my 970 under 60c at max settings i cant imagine trying to controll 2 cards that produce more heat it's too much

[ninsigma]

I've had SLI and honestly I haven't had a problem (maybe I got lucky). So from my experience dual RX 480 shouldn't be a problem however I will agree that a single card that has around the same performance would be better. Personally I'd go 1070 but neither will do you wrong I'd imagine.

Edit:
Thanks dude :)
I do have my preferences/biases from time to time but a try my best to keep it under wraps so we can have actual discussion around here xD

[Nathan_Hale53]

I like you a lot on this forum, simply cause you seem very unbiased on almost all the 'fact' posts/replies. If it is an opinion you also accept another's opinion and never seem to state anything as fact.

[ocelot07]

Thanks for the input guys.

[hells_supernova]

Might need to upgrade my r9 290 I'll wait for the aftermarket coolers I'm not making the mistake of going reference again

[Nathan_Hale53]

Yeah, I plan to buy one of those "Beast mode" 480's. Wanna OC the shit outta it. I always had bought cards a generation old and this would be my first 'new' purchase

[ONESHOTV2]

not that good almost the same performance of the 970. it's cheap and good but i will wait for the 1080ti

[ninsigma]

That's what I'm doing now. I sold my 2 970s (and a whole bunch of other stuff) to buy the 1080 but with all the stock problems, I bought a 960 to keep me going on less intensive games that I still need to play until the 1080 ti is released. By then, the new games that I want will be cheaper :D

[3-4-5]

* Maybe it's because in the last year there has been a breakthrough in tech for CPUs & GPUs.

* They hinted to us the gamers back in 2011 that this gen will be a "stop gap" type of gen that is just treading water until the tech advancements allow them to really push things in the new direction they are going.

* Things changed drastically in what can be put on a chip and the prices have decreased enough to make this possible now.

* We will see a significant graphics upgrade with the next consoles....not sure if the Scorpio & Neo will be those consoles that we will the upgrade on though.

I'm guessing the consoles after those will blow us away .

[Tzuno]

Enjoy http://i.imgur.com/Q512mfX....

[ONESHOTV2]

he doesnt have any hair lol i guess when you are inside with a lot of npc it will chug. i'm a still an nvidia guy i dont like the way amd drivers are on and off

[Nathan_Hale53]

It is a joke... It was a CGI trailer for the new Hitman.

[Ysmir6723]

@Shubhendu_Singh Slightly weaker cpu???Comparing the ps4 cpu and mine(5820 4.2 ghz),the diffrence is more than extreme.

[kevnb]

Im interested to see what 199 gets you by next christmas.

[Cweed]

Yeah I'm a little upset I expected more. Still a good deal but I was a little overhyped for this bad boy. Might pick one up just to replace my wife's old Gtx 760.

[Mithan]

Fantastic card. I own a 980 Ti and love this competition. Hope nvidia gets a kick in the ass with this. Rip off artists.

[SV66]

AMD is the go to Graphics card. Never understood why people boosted about Nivida i guess it comes down to preference for people

[SV66]

I'm speaking from the point of Radeon R9 295x2 card

[SonyWarrior]

its funny how uneducated people are with computers. this card comes out for 200 they market it as being able to run vr and all a sudden a sea of idiots swarm to it acting like its heaven sent.... this card does even benchmark higher then the 3 year old gtx 970 i bet this rx480 is more like the gtx 960 we will have to wait for official benchmarks for that however.... amd is garbage and are always behind the curve in tech its just funny how marketing gets the idiots all up thinking something is so great when its not

[iistuii]

It's out in a few days yet no un-bias benchmarks to be found anywhere, I will await true results before commenting about how good it is...

[potedude]

Team Red!

[VJGenova]

Seems good for 1080p gaming. Certainly a very good mainstream, entry-level card, if you will.

I forget what site does this, but giving the averages, 10% lowest frames and 1% lowest frames gives a much better picture of overall performance.

Got to say, just keeps getting better!

[AndreR]

aa

[Vasto]

I will be getting mine soon.

So glad to see AMD go back to their roots with aggressive pricing / performance.