T3 Opinion : Did Xbox Scorpio just take PlayStation Neo back to the drawing board?

The new generation of Xbox seems to have Sony on the back foot for the first time since the days of the 360

[Zediz]

Not only that the Scorpion helped muffle the conference from Sony at E3, the topic of the moment is the bestial console that can do much the front of PS was with the 360, but with the difference that the MS this smarter and gaining more with the unification Xbox / Windows which allows more exclusives to this ecosystem to remain solid for many generations. Nice move!

and even if the sony change will not come out this year and will be even lower than Scorpio, as eurogamer in his analysis Sony would spend more money because she had already made the Devkit.

[dirkdady]

Not at all, if anything I think it put ms in a weaker position.

Ms showed their hand, Sony can release neo end of year to go head to head with Xbox S and get gear up for a rival console to match or exceed Scorpio into 2017 or 2018 as they asses the situation.

Neo > Xbox S 2016
PS5? > Scorpio 2018/2017

[freshslicepizza]

ps5 wont be out until 2019, sony will not release the ps4 neo and only have it out for 2 years and then hit consumers with the ps5. project scorpio has the sony dedicted scrambling at the moment trying to convince everyone they are now pc gamers in order to make it seem irrelvant. the irony is the ps4 neo is designed to keep playstation fans from going to the pc.

[Livecustoms]

No way Ps5 comes out 2017/2018 lol especially if Playstation releases Neo this year lol that 2 years or less between two hardware releases lol.

[dirkdady]

You say that like its some sort of impossible feat yet MS is doing exactly that within a years timeframe.

we don't know that sonys cooking up. Pretty sure next gen playstation is in the works.

How and when they decide to push it to market will probably be dependent on how much steam or lack-thereof is for Scorpio.

The bottom like is it gives Sony a way to gauge the market without showing their full hand.

[ONESHOTV2]

but what will they do about psvr ? you know the normal ps4 can't handle vr. sony has two choice release it this year or lose money on VR

[Eonjay]

A 4.2 TFlops console is still more powerful than any other console available today and Sony did win the games so I think the comments are nonsense. And for the topic question... no, it is launching this year. Microsoft better hope that Sony doesn't go back to the drawing board.

[dirkdady]

Oneshot did u miss sonys press conf? All those vr games were demo able on the E3 floor using VR and current PS4 model. batman VR and resident evil 7 getting tons of praise with some lising them as game of the show if u watch IGNs reel video.

[darthv72]

"Did Xbox Scorpio just take PlayStation Neo back to the drawing board?" As far as the Neo is concerned... more than likely not. If we are talking the PS5 then I'd say most definitely. I can also say that it is very likely there will be something better than Scorpio to come from MS later on as well.

How much time will pass between releases remains to be seen though.

[Vames]

Are you crazy? Sony cannot release Neo in 2016 then release another powerful console a year or 2 after. Do you think money grow on trees?

[Goldby]

@Moly.

its completely possible for sony to release ps5 a year or two after neom, afterall neo is comparable to the Xbox one S and is a mid gen upgrade. Scorpio in next gen just liek ps5 will be when its announced

[Vames]

Microsoft is releasing a new console 4-years after the release of the Xbox One. Stop talking like a mad man lol A console a year or 2 after the release of the previous console would kill Sony, and developers would riot. Stop talking nonsense.

[Sweendog007]

Ps5 and Xbox 2 are not what neo and Scorpio are , they are just brands to exsisting brands. The consel generation has changed.

Playsation - under that brand will be , ps4 , ps4 neo/4K ( rumoured to announced ps4 s, ). And psvr

Xbox - under that brand will be Xbox one/s , the next Xbox , and Windows 10 store.

I think people need to accept that the fact that we are no longer going to wait 6/7 years for a whole new console with new games. There is a lot of un tapped power in both Xbox one and PlayStation 4 at the moment , the Consles have not even hit 3 years old yet. It's just tlre Branding their systems to bigger markets , Xbox one s is aimed at 4K content users , and help stable games at 60 frames per second , ps4 neo is the same and may actaully have more high end graphics. Project Scorpio is a machine aimed at all users who want VR , 3D , 4K , games in 4K.

It's all about choice in one brand , I wouldn't be suprised if PlayStation neo is changed in some way to compete more on the Xbox one s side and Aimed at 4K users in content. With playsation brining out a high end ps4 next year too.

It's not going to be PlayStation 5 or Xbox 2 ... It's just going to a new console under the PlayStation family and Xbox family. Both ms and Sony had no choice to announce their ideas anyway because for the past 4 months that's all we have heard about from media , they are working on high end machines , forget what way they both announced it. If they didn't say anything before e3 or during e3 the media would have banged on about the lack of clarification on neo and project Scorpio

Even when they announced it , they are still beating this drum about lack of clarity, even this article is question what's Sony move now ? , they both have ideas so let's see it and stop adding things that don't exist or making false claims that Sony may go back to the drawing board. If Sony done what ms done they would say the same thing.

The plans are set , the wheels are being turned, plans may change but it's not down to who said it first its down to does it make sense for the company

[freshslicepizza]

@dirkdady
"You say that like its some sort of impossible feat yet MS is doing exactly that within a years timeframe."

and sony is doing it in even less time with the ps4 neo. that isn't what i am talking about, i was referring to a whole new generation. you guys seems to have reading issues, project scorpio is not a new generation xbox, it is within the xbox one family. it will not have exclusive xbox scorpio games. the ps5 is a new generation. the ps4 neo is much like project scorpio, both designed to boost current hardware within the same generation.

"we don't know that sonys cooking up. Pretty sure next gen playstation is in the works."

of course it is.

"How and when they decide to push it to market will probably be dependent on how much steam or lack-thereof is for Scorpio."

maybe as far as power but again scorpio is not the xbox two.

"The bottom like is it gives Sony a way to gauge the market without showing their full hand."

the same can be said for microsoft, they can wait a year until after the ps5 comes out and release the next generation xbox.

[Pongwater]

MS gives up on another generation, but somehow Sony is "on the back foot". Amazing logic. MS has ensured that many PC gamers won't buy an XB again, and XB console gamers can look forward to playing online against people using mouse and keyboard with higher spec PCs. Have fun with that.

[GTgamer]

We both know the xbox S will definitely not be competition to the PS4 but the Scorpio and Neo idk

[jrshankill]

Dirkady...

The problem with your post is its pure speculation, and another attempt to downplay MS' scorpio announcement.

What we know is MS have announced the most powerful console known, and Sony decided not to announce their new hardware at the biggest electronics show of the year. This is all you need to know.

You can certainly deposit the salt using the dislike button below.

[OB1Biker]

I don't get how so many think Scorpio 'plan' to release in a year and a half somehow disturbs Neo. If Neo is out this year then Scorpio will of course have better spec a year after. So what. Does that mean neo has no competition for a whole year? Doesn't sound too good for Ms either in the middle of a generation.
I actually hope the companies don't try the 'leap frog' some think they are onto.
Cool beans if Scorpio is 'beast' in a year and a half. I think what's important is the different approach the companies claim to have now (which can change fairly quickly as we saw). Ms going for a 'game beyond generation' forward compatible console and PS remaining with a more traditional console cycle meaning a PS5 with true exclusives using the potential for that console generation in 19/20 maybe

[mEATgrinder]

You think you know better than the marketing execs don't you? No one has spoke of PS5, so why include it?

[JackBNimble]

MS says that Scorpio is an upgrade for this gen and it wont have any exclusives. They also say " no one gets left behind" so really it's all going to be about 4k resolution , and unless MS have so trick up their sleave ,it will be 4k upscaling .
I think holding scorpio back in this generation is not going to do the console any favors . 6tflops could be huge if scorpio didn't have to worry about xbox one and this gens games . I think scorpio potential is huge , but what MS wants to do with console seems like such a waist , scorpio would be better off being push into next gen.

[dirkdady]

Come on we all know at some point In the future Ms is going to flip the switch and it's all Scorpio only titles taking full advantage of the 6 teralflops! And 12 GDDR5 memory.

[Gazondaily]

Scorpio could well have forced Sony's hand and make them go back to the drawing board. Neo's rumored specs are completely outclassed by the Scorpio and the former looks like it will be a limp wristed attempt at 4K versus another which stands a much better chance of achieving 4K gaming.

[objdadon]

@moldybread

The neo has nothing to do with the ps5 which will be a next gen console. The neo is just an upgraded ps4, optional upgrade.

[theRedDragon]

objdadon - So will be the Scorpio. It works the same way as Neo as it will play all existing Xbox One titles and future titles. There will be no exclusive for it and developers can choose how they want to maximize it's 6Tflop power.

By the time GTA6 comes out, the xbox one version will be the best third party console port due to the Scorpio.

[Sevir]

That's crap! And bs! They'll do what they've been doing, release games, show of and announce the New formally and then double down on the message of gaming and show off games for the machine and continue to rake in new consumers to the PS Brand...

They've already proven that the way to the top is to focus your laser on the gamers that established you. So the High End PS4 Neo is not an answer to MS it's more commitment to the gamer...

Xb owners going nuts over the specs of Scorpio proves how they were desperate to have the xb brand end the narrative as the weakest Next gem console... the reality is it doesn't change the fact that it is.

Sony isn't going to delay the Neo just to Come out swinging against 6 teraflops..

There is headway to over clock and add cooling to address heat issues on both the CPU and GPU to get performance boosts. Much the same way MS up clocked the CPU and GPU to bump it's performance from 1.2 to 1.38tflops for retail XBO...

If Sony feels the need to compete, they'll do it that way and mitigate power differences and disparities that way. Eurogamer's breakdown outlines that Sony can theoretically boost the 4.41 teraflops to some where in the ballpark of 5.15peak.. the issue they'd have to deal with is The GDDR5 memory bandwidth.

And to me, I think they are fine with what they have, they have already won the milkshake of consumers and gamers and delivered some really amazing games, they can release a weaker than Scorpio console and still be the front runner

[subtenko]

Look at the ridiculous comments up in here. Keep PS fans from switching to PC? lol Playstation fans are fans because of playstation exclusives and what sony offers.... common sense

[ONESHOTV2]

dirkdady-- no i didnt miss it i enjoyed it more than some conferences like bethesda UBI and that sh-t show EA had on lol at least BF1 looks good but i rate both MS and sony very high if i were to give a score.

[ShowanW]

@dirkdady because R&D Budget $$$ grows on trees...

Sony is on an amazing road to financial recovery, they do NOT want to get into a spending war with a company that can buy them out with the change under the couch cushions...

PS4.. Making money
PSVR .. have yet to hit the market...
PS-Neo has yet to hit the market...

Let's see how the market receives Neo and PSVR before jumping to PS5...

The gaming industry isn't a cheap business to be in.

[miyamoto]

Ain't that the truth...

[conanlifts]

Sony will not release a rival console 2 years after a premium console like neo. If they do them it shows they do not care about their customers. Unless the neo works with any ps5 Games then that would be a despicable move.

@ golby neo is not comparable to the xbox s. The xbox s is just a smaller xbox with uhd drive. The neo is a supercharged ps4. Also anyone buying an xbox s knows scorpio is being released. They also know their games will work in future consoles.

[BattleAxe]

@ dirkdaddy

If you think that PlayStation fans are going to accept three completely different PlayStation hardware revisions within 6 years, you're crazy. Xbox One S is a slightly tweaked model, which essentially uses the same hardware with a few simple upgrades, while the PS4 Neo is a serious upgrade to the PS4.

If Sony releases PS4 Neo this year, it will compete head to head with Xbox One S, which is a perfect scenario for Microsoft, since they can now market the Xbox One S as a 4K video player and a device that will upscale games to 4K, just like the PS4 Neo will. In terms of marketing, Xbox One S will compete head to head with PS4 Neo, but it is still using essentially the same hardware, and it's a cheaper console to produce. This almost totally nullifies any effect that the Neo might have had in terms of hype due to the power increase.

A year after Neo releases, Xbox Scorpio comes out, making PS4 Neo look like old news. If Sony releases the PS5 a year after Xbox Scorpio, there are going to be some pissed off people, who thought they were purchasing the latest and greatest, especially since the PS4 Neo is a 4 Tflop console. Releasing yet another upgraded console within a 6 year period, will slow momentum in a huge way for Sony.

Meanwhile, Scorpio is releasing 4 years after the launch of Xbox One, which is far more palatable, and lines up with the 4 year release time period with the original Xbox to the Xbox 360. By announcing Scorpio at E3, they are probably going to be sending out dev kits within the next month or so, if they haven't already.

I don't believe that 3rd party developers are going to try to max out PS4 Neo, at least not until Scorpio releases, where they will be making games to run natively in 4K, and then they will have to lower the settings for PS4 Neo, but because the games will require a lot of processing power by that point, the PS4 Neo will be working those 4 Tflops of power overtime just to keep up, but the games will probably be noticeably downgraded because of the power difference.

Under this scenario that Microsoft has created, the Xbox Scorpio will have had 2 years of being in the hands of developers before the PS5 even hits the store shelves. By this point, Xbox Scorpio will become the default console for developers, similar to the Xbox 360. This is the scenario that is unfolding before our very eyes. It's a big chess game, and Microsoft played the game perfectly at E3 with their hardware release timing for both Xbox One S and Xbox Scorpio. By the time Scorpio releases, it will be plainly clear to everyone, even people with their Sony blinders on, who are way behind the curve at present.

There's literally nothing Sony can do in terms of hardware release timing that will put them ahead in any way, or make themselves look good. If they release a year after Scorpio, people will not upgrade, because they've possibly already upgraded to a PS4 Neo within the last couple of years. If they release PS5 a couple of years after Scorpio, they then risk becoming a mid-cycle console. And finally, if they wait too long to release the PS5 in order to release at around the same time as the Xbox console release after Scorpio, then they will lose massive momentum, because the Neo will have been lagging behind Scorpio for 3 or 4 years, at which point, everyone will agree that the definitive console experience will be on Xbox Scorpio.

[morganfell]

No. The Neo was always planned for release in the fall and Sony would have been stupid to have announced it at E3 and rob themselves of 4 months of sales from the leading console - The PS4. At least one hardware company knows to not send mixed messages. And to Sony, the Neo is just another PS4 SKU.

Microsoft has never heard of the game Go. Sony has someone in charge now that plays it very well. Sony leaked info that the PS4 would launch with 4GB of DDR3. So many people bought into that including MS. Then the reveal caught everyone with their pants down including MS. That was the first move in the game of feints.

Sony has been ruling console sales. MS has their backs to the wall with investors calling for the Xbox division to be sold. They get desperate. Every ploy keeps failing - situations such as Tomb Raider become disasters with bad PR and no sales payoff. Sony keeps making remarks about power. Articles discuss it. MS buys into it. And that was the trap. Believing that console wars are ever about power and they are not, but Microsoft bought that story hook, line, and sinker.

MS were very concerned about their position. They heard Sony wan't announcing Neo at E3 and must have surmised, "This is our chance! Our Scorpio announcement at E3 will blow everyone away!" And the trap was sprung. How did that work out for them? They announced a very expensive console over a year away, sending convoluted messages to everyone. As soon as the MS conference ended Geoff and the staff at Youtube were asking what just happened? Why would you do that? And also, why would I buy an Xbox now?

The console war isn't about power. Haunting game forums, we all think it is relative but we are a very very small part of the gaming population. Most of the public only care about titles and message. Sony has VR in their pocket, the solution that everyone is hailing as the best employment of VR. They have a very commanding lead that is only expanding. They will have an extremely large large headstart before Scorpio ever launches with over 70 million PS4s on the street and an unequaled library of unique titles. The IPs from E3 that everyone wants. Did those Sony titles look like they needed massive graphical upgrades? No. TLG will launch this year along side Neo. Horizon Zero Dawn is coming early 2017. God of War dropped jaws at E3. These are just some of the games that drive sales and you can only play them on PS4. True exclusives. And Redmond just made the need to buy an Xbox irrelevant. A move that may seem good for the gamers but again, people looking hard at the industry know this is a sign that MS was between a rock and a hard place and needed a sales solution. In fact this move will actually cause more people interested in a console to buy a PS4. Why buy an Xbox when they can have their PC cake and eat it too? I need a reason to buy a console - games that I can only play on that console.

The Neo is just another PS4 SKU with the same basic architecture, so yes Sony has the option of announcing a PS5 next fall and no doubt PSVR 2.0 is on the drawing board somewhere. They have placed MS permanently behind the 8 ball in a perpetual catch up position. Redmond knows Sony has the upper hand and they realize E3 did not pay off. The only people at the drawing board are Phil Spencer and the Xbox team attempting to figure out how Sony did it.

[LastcenuryRob]

There will be no PS 5 in 2019. Sony's share holders are not happy with the Neo already... They won't allow another system less then three years after the Neo is released. Just won't happen! As far as MS showing their hand, they sure did and it is a straight flush! Only one hand that can beat a straight flush and Sony isn't holding it. Sony didn't just show their hand, they pretty much went all in with it. As far as I'm concerned it is still a good hand. The Neo is looking pretty good...It just won't be as good a hand as what Ms has. You need to be realistic. For the next gen or next half gen Sony won't have the most powerful console.

[Satou]

I hope it takes Sony back to the drawing board- hopefully they can add that CPU upgrade that was rumored and increase power to 4.6-5 TFLOPS.

I just don't like the idea of the console being 2x as powerful, that means most of the time they'll just be doubling FPS to 60. I want better graphics first and foremost.

[dreadz74]

lmao Ps5 wont be b4 2019. Neo is not meant to compete with Xb1 s . You guys keep saying this nonsense to make u feel better about Ps4 neo. Fact is Ps4 neo comes out this year and will be 2 tflops weaker than scorpio .. If neo was 6 tflops and Scorpio 4.1 you guys would be singing a different song. Lol the fact that PS users think they can scratch the Neo after all the money spent and devs kits sent out. This Console has begun production already and soon will ramp up sorry this time Ps got out specd. You win some you lose some always be humble or it can like in this case bite you in the ass.#DatScorpioSting

[Mr-Dude]

This generation, Sony has showed real good timing and marketing. They know exactly what they are doing. They know what the consumer want's and they do their best to archieve that. The NEO will be good priced, but I don't expect uber specs that rise above the scorpio. If they archieve 1080p 60fps native, they are set till the PS5.

What Sony has, is a good collection of studio's, and in the end that's what counts. The games..

[Docknoss]

MS has allot of studio's working on new titles.

[Unspoken]

First it was about more power, now it's about the games. While I don't disagree with that statement, as MS now has more new IPs than it has ever had before, keep moving those goal posts.

[joeorc]

@Mr-Dude
Exactly, Sony already know Microsoft. Will have the power advantage, being worried about it because Microsoft. Had always the Power Advantage.

I mean Even Microsoft considers the windows 10 now as part of the Xbox 🎮 platform.

Sony if people have not been paying attention ⚠, Has made sure its Playstation Eco system is Expanded further..but in Sony's case they are not trying to replace the Playstation console into something. Other than a Playstation console 1st.

The fact is Sony's
PS3, PS4, The New PS4Neo all have Playstation Vue functionality.

That give the PlayStations' systems useful functions outside of when a new series console comes out, that tries to shift you to upgrade faster than more for when you as a consumer is ready to do so.

Look at it this way Microsoft has marketing. Now:

Now is a great time to upgrade, to the Xbox one S, while at the same time Microsoft's. Already stated ..were phasing out the original Xbox one.

Sony on the other hand
Is Marketing , that the PS4Neo will be sold along side the Current PS4.Key point is 👉 [Throughout ]👈 the Life cycle of the generation.

That's in stark contrast is Microsoft is putting out the Xbox one S, the Original Xbox one system is being phased out.

Microsoft already has cut production. On the xbox360, while again Sony still has the PS3 in production and as a matter of fact also made the PS3 with Playstation Vue certified device along with DVR functionality inside Playstation Vue.

That is I think why some think its about Power, but its not. Playstation sell because Sony builds its Playstation Eco system with its purpose, as Does Microsoft. With theirs.

On a world wide market Level Sony Has done a better in the game console market world wide than Microsoft. Has.

[DragonPaw]

Microsoft is trying too hard to gain ground. Few are ready for this gen to be over, but either Scorpio either is going to be under utilized or there will be games that run horribly on other consoles.

Sony hit a nice middle ground with the Neo. It is basically the PS4 we all wanted in the first place and little more. Some people always buy console revisions that have significant revisions (happy to not have 360 fat fan noise). This gen, Sony's rumored revisions are just much better.

Scorpio is a premature next gen. Unless they take a huge loss on hardware, I see it succeeding as well as a Steambox.

[Sunny_D]

Wait all these troops but no one cares?!!

[trooper_]

Sony doesn't need to release Neo asap if the original is selling so well. I don't understand why people don't get this.

[SCW1982]

@ Dock

It's true but the problem is most of them can't match the quality of Sony's world wide studios. And to be honest this Halo, Forza,Gears combo that's rinse and repeat yearly since last generation is really starting to get stale.

[Nathan_Hale53]

@Unspoken
I can look at posts from a few years ago and still see people caring as much if not more about the games. The power is simply a bonus and a decision for people who want prettier/better performing multiplat games. And for years Sony also had more and more varied IP's. Now Xbox this year is getting a bunch of unique IP's, but so is Sony although a majority will be coming next year.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Sony DOES have SOME great studios, but most sony exclusives this gen have actually been flops (or atleast nowhere near the hype), so relying on those studios only goes so far. Sony isn't bad at marketing by any means, but most of their success this gen actually had NOTHING to do with what they did, they were just fortunate that MS shot themselves in the foot in 2013.

[IceKoldKilla]

Amen brother. All these specs yet no one speaks about the games. It could be super powerful and yet suck with exclusives or even multiplatform ports.

[ninsigma]

It muffled their conference?? Yet most people have been talking about the onslaught of great looking games Sony brought to e3. Even zelda, the one of like 2 games Nintendo showed, is being massively talked about.

[Sunny_D]

You know games... The thing that makes me people want to play your shiny new console. Not just talk about how much of a "monster" it is. Lol

[rainslacker]

Yes, but MS had hardware to talk about. Hardware is more important I guess. Particularly if that hardware is well into the future. Otherwise, yeah, Xbox fans are talking about hardware, PS gamers are talking about games. At least in relation to what was shown at the conference....which makes me wonder...why aren't more people talking about the Xbox games shown at the conference?

People make it out like Sony changed their plans after MS announcement, but I think Sony was just hammering home that their system is about the games, not the hardware. MS conference was they were trying to hammer home that Windows is about the games, but the games themselves kind of took a backseat to the marketing of windows and MS future plans.

Personally, I'm not happy about any of these new consoles. As it stands, my $400/$350 purchases are now obsolete, or soon will be as Sony is likely to launch a more powerful console, and MS will be releasing too. I'm less confident in MS keeping the plug on the OGX1 as they have a history of dropping support quickly when things aren't going as well as they hope/want. Sony, hard to say right now, but I wouldn't doubt they take a similar path after a year or so. All this because MS wants to get a jump start on the next gen, and that's all the Scorpio really is. A next gen system being marketed as a current gen system to try and hide it's true nature.

[Unspoken]

Social media showed Microsoft was the most talked about. So no, your statement is false. Sony did not garner as much attention and MS had the spot light.

[assdan]

What?

[objdadon]

The topics so far is confusion.

[Gol3m]

Yet its games at Sonys e3 we are all talking about. The scorpio is all you guys care about. You're not even bringing any gears 4 articles as you know it looked like a steaming turd

[TKCMuzzer]

Gaining more exclusives? Really, you mean the same exclusives, not more. Plus it didn't muffle Sony's conference at all, if anything it just proved yet again that Sony are making sure gamers are aware that games and new ones at that, are being made for the console they currently own. This gives gamers confidence in their purchase. Scorpio? Why would anyone who currently owns a PS4 swap?(this has to be their audience to gain market share, unless they are relying on their dedicated gamers over and over) Microsoft didn't exactly real of new exclusives one after the other...............oh wait there are no longer any exclusives.
Proof over the the last 5 -6 years shows that if you keep creating content for a console it will sell, the PS3 was a shining example of all the problems it had it produced quality and variety which helped pull itself back into the market.
Scorpio is papering over the cracks, no exclusives just better running third party games and thats what Microsoft are after, hoping gamers will lap it up because most cross platform games will run better on it. Judging from Sony's E3 you can say with confidence that your current PS4 will be well fed with games, you can't hold the Xbox One with the same confidence no matter what Microsoft say. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding seems to take a long time to follow the main course, a more powerful console will not rectify that issue.

[iTechHeads]

Sony won E3 by a long shot. If you saw the conference you would know why.
BTW, Sony is not a woman, you wouldn't call Sony a "she". Sony is not even human. Sony is a corporation.

(Wow, you just joined 2 days ago? I guess that explains a lot)

[killer876]

Why do.you keep calling it the scorpion? Are you an idiot?

[PistolsAtDawn]

You clearly ruffled some fanboy feathers with that one.

[JMyers]

Sony stated no Updated PS4 talk at E3 before MS revealed anything at E3 or mentioned Scorpio. Andrew House stated as much in an interview when he confirmed a high end PS4's existence.

Nothing was muffled...

[NovaCorps]

You dream too much buddy
Wake up

[fr0sty]

Scorpio is their third tier box. S is the second tier. More powerful than the One, but not as powerful as Scorpio. Sony so far has only shown (or is rumored to show) their second tier with Neo. There is nothing stopping them from releasing a third box later.

[PaleMoonDeath]

It's very likely it was taken back for MS to reveal the specs of their machine, the Days Gone demo at the end of E3 felt quickly put together and anti-climatic, my gut tells me that was originally the PS4 Neo reveal. Wise on Sony's part, we'll see how thing turn out.

[Gaming_Cousin]

If it took back Neo to the drawing board thats a good thing because they could work in ways to improve it. Sony took Microsoft out of the console race which is far more impactful.

[Paytaa]

When did Sony take Microsoft out of the console space? You do realize that Windows/Xbox was supposed to come into fruition from the get go of the original Xbox but the tech wasn't there yet.

Plus the Scorpio is going to still be a console lmao

[cleft5]

If I could get all of my Sony exclusives on PC I wouldnt buy a PS4 or PS4 Neo. I don't give money to Sony for their console because I like giving them money for nothing. I give them money for a product that has value. That value is determined by it's exclusives and the content it allows me access too. Microsoft put all of their exclusives on PC, specially Windows 10. Graphics cards, high-end graphics cards at that, are cheaper than ever. I can get a RX 480 that will do Windows 10 and Directx 12 for $199. The Xbox One, S, Scorpio has no value in the traditional sense because all of its exclusives are on PC now.

So why would I get a Xbox Scorpio? At this point the Xbox Scorpio is Microsoft's version of the Steam Box or the Windows 10 Box in there case. Will people buy it? Sure why not, that doesnt mean it has true value. I will say it again, if I could buy all of my Sony exclusives on PC I wouldnt buy a PS4 or Neo either as the console has no value anymore.

[joeorc]

@Paytaa

Tech was not there. Yet?
Excuse me? You really buy that?

Look while the Xbox 🎮. Brand is a great brand , but it does not take away from the fact is The Xbox as a system always was just an extension. Of Windows OS the Media center PC.

The PC 💻, is and Has been Microsoft's. Answer they have tried to put as your default platform sitting under the TV.

You could have Had the same experience if Microsoft just made Media center PC's with a Xbox logo on them..wait a min that's exactly what they did..the original. Xbox 🎮 was in fact a socket A Pentium III CPU.
The ink reason for making the branding of Xbox was to change the perception of the Media center Pc. As now into something its not, which Is Xbox ..not a Media center PC 💻. But the reality

The Xbox is just a windows OS media center PC 💻. With a Name! That's why Microsoft. Moved the xbox 🎮 as a platform as a service into Windows 10.

Would we be seeing this though if Xbox was in such a Lead over Playstation? No I doubt it there would be news on how Microsoft. Xbox 🎮. Is doing in the game console market as it would be growing its market.

Instead we are seeing Less and Less about the games console market. From Microsoft. And more about How the xbox's game console Eco system has grown beyond. Just a game console Eco system.

[darthv72]

@joeorc "Would we be seeing this though if Xbox was in such a Lead over Playstation?" Yes we would. Like you said yourself the original xbox was their way of trying to tap into the console market using their windows gaming experience. So why does it matter if they continue to pursue that original idea of making a gaming platform out of the core of their windows division?

360 gave them the idea to take it even further with making everything about being connected to everything else. Movies, music, internet, games... everything is an evolution to what has been done before and neither sony nor nintendo nor MS have a lock on that evolutionary road. They are all going about it their own way. If you want to close your eyes to MS and keep them open for sony then that's okay but at least be aware they are going down the same road.

[Kryptix]

"The tech wasn't there yet"

Even though with the capable 360, they barely did anything to integrate Windows into it and vice versa. And what kind of tech do they really need? It's software and Microsoft has had the manpower to merge both Windows and Xbox for a very long time.

What happened was that Microsoft wanted the Xbox division to be a separate entity so they could control the market and reconstruct it for their own ways. That way, once they became the leaders of the console market, they would be able to profit from a wider range of home entertainment, like music and television. (hence why the Xbox One was focused on that on reveal) You can't do that on PC, because they would be competing with dozens of services easily and readily available so they saw the Xbox as an opportunity to profit from movies, shows, and TV. (explains why online services were behind the Gold paywall on 360) Tactics change because things don't work and the competition is doing a better job at handling that.

Now with the failures of the Xbox One not being influential to impact the market like that, they now want to merge Xbox with PC. The new plan is to have their own Steam like market on Windows so they're bringing all their IPs to it and locking it behind DirectX versions. This would mean that soon, PC gamers will need to always upgrade their OS to play with the best graphics and newest games. Now, I could be wrong about DX lockdowns, but with 12, it's somewhat logical to come up with a conclusion like that. Putting all their IPs on the Windows Store can create a starting point before making deals with 3rd party developers to place their games on that.

There's more to it, but I'm just talking about the more apparent moves.

[Edito]

If the Xbox One was a successfully console the merge with windows 10 would not have happened. Believe me.

[Askanison4]

Why would that be something you'd want? Why is it better for you if MS don't make consoles any more?

[Livecustoms]

Fanboys, am i right ? XD, they dont understand that competition is GOOD as it produces the best out of both the companies trying to one up each other !

[PistolsAtDawn]

Well you see...if you kill off all your options, you no longer have to think and be responsible for making choices...and therefore can't be accused of making the "wrong" choice. Then you'd just get whatever Sony gives you, but at least they'd no longer have any drive to work hard for you....cause now you have no choice.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Gaming software race is a bigger game than console race.

[Gol3m]

Yep and MS don't have much on that front

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

Software makes more money than Hardware

[dirkdady]

Paytaa windows gaming has existed forever MS's renewed focus on it doesn't change anything.

What games for windows failed to achieve and was the main cause of its downfall was due to MSs inability to get third party pubs to publish their game on that platform.

I see the same challenges again. It's great u can get the handfull of Xbox one games on PC but that still doesn't mean all of the other third party devs will publish in windows store.its Games for Windows all over again.

[ONESHOTV2]

are you crazy they are still manufacturing xbox one too much salt is in your comment

[Sweendog007]

You do realise that both PlayStation and Xbox have re branded their Consles this generation

PlayStation - devices under that brand , are , ps4 , ps VR , ps neo

Xbox - Xbox , one/s , Windos 10 store and Scorpio

No one took anyone out of the race , they have both re beaded to enter new markets with new ways to experience games , Sony may have 40 million PlayStation 4s ms may have half that on Xbox one. But when you bring out Xbox one s ... It may attract more users to the idea of 4K content , a new market has opened( it's even been advertised as a UHD player in shops , yes 4K content is slow taking off , but popular none the less , and ps4 neo is doing the same )

Not all those 40 million ps4 users will upgrade to neo or buy VR - but they are making them to enter new gaming markets and expand their platforms.

The consle race is a much bigger platform now that just one console with games

[susanto1228]

Xbox one has already sold more than the 360 so how has Sony taken MSFT out of the race ..the console is still selling....reason why you have 7 downvotes and you are about to get another one.

[BiggerBoss]

Actually, as of right now the Xbox one is now trailing behind the 360, and it's been behind the PS3 for quite some time

[miyamoto]

Some people will never learn their lessons...it's not about power. How many powerful consoles have the PlayStation brand defeated?

[PistolsAtDawn]

What?!?!?! Do you even listen to yourself....in an article about how MS launching not ONE but TWO new consoles in conjunction with an existing console...you said...MS is "out of the console race". You need to see past what you WANT to see....there's a whole world out here.

You DO realize that MS also REPEATEDLY stated for over a decade that they've been wanting to do what they are doing now but were limited by tech right? So please explain, how did Sony do that? ...and how do we thank them? ...and why did Sony express interest in doing the EXACT SAME THING? Don't fool yourself into think if Sony had the opportunities MS has they wouldn't make the same move....that's fanboy thinking.

[_-EDMIX-_]

It's hard to say a company is in the console race when they've also announced that all their titles going forward are also releasing on PC for all you know Scorpio really is the code name for a form factor PC with Windows 10.

[Edito]

People seem to forget that MS is slowly leaving the console Market because Sony pressed them in such a level that they had no other option... The only option that could possibly save them are games, good games thing that they clearly don't have...

[Majin-vegeta]

Umm. No because we knew that Neo wouldnt be at E3 before Scorpio was even rumored

[marquisray]

Sony was scared to show the neo at the conference with all of the extra time we all know they pulled something why. Because microsoft said something that really scared them now if sony puts more thig in the neo the system will cost more by the time scorpio comes ot the prices will be cheaper to make very smart move by microsoft and if you think sony will keep throwing away money because of the crying sony fans yea right get ready to get a job microsoft set a high standard and didnt even show anything also if you think sony is not upset think twice. Now if Microsoft goes second next e3 we will see who copys who lol

[TKCMuzzer]

No offence the next Xbox rumours have been going round the web for ages, I doubt Sony were surprised, as I said above they were probably more surprised how far off it is which meant there was no rush to announce the NEO releasing later in the year potentially stifling current PS4 sales. That's all they have avoided, believe it or not some companies don't want to cannibalize their own products.
By announcing the NEO in September and releasing in September they pretty much keep sales momentum.

[dreadz74]

lol Neo is coming out this year they can't change specs to late.

[Livecustoms]

Yer some people dont understand that, im pretty sure sony will start manufacturing the console soon if they havent started already.

[Ron_Danger]

I missed the release announcement for this year. Can you post a link so we can all confirm your obvious fanboy claim?

[Kaneki-Ken]

Lol, you making fake statement that Neo is coming this year. Andrew only confirmed that Neo exist but never gave a release date so I wondering where you put that statement from.

[Jburr94]

You say that with such pride like you're happy or something. A year head start with a 40+ million install base vs 20M is brutal to Microsoft, "lol"

[Criti-Choco]

yea, where are people getting this 2016 release news from? People believe rumor way too deeply. There's never even been an official announcement of the Neo. Just one statement acknowledging its in the works. GDC is in august but announcements aren't common at GDC, and the next PSX is in the winter, you really think they would announce new hardware and release it that soon? You people are delusional

[OB1Biker]

Why would they? To have better specs they have to wait like a year?
For that matter isn't it weird to announce specs a year and a half before? I'm genuinely asking since I don't know much about technical details but it seems that evolves very quickly and I can't imaging AMD announcing their new polaris card a year ago for example

[MagicBeanz]

Wrong.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Neo is launching this year. The drawing board stage is over. Sony will have have a significantly weaker console until they launch PS5 in 2018...pissing off all the NEO owners.

[Pongwater]

PS4, and then Neo, will remain the stronger consoles until Scorpio launches in a year and a half, and Scorpio will have about a year to say it's the strongest before another PS launches.

OT - No, it didn't. Scorpio is NextBox. Neo is PS4.5. All Scorpio did is give Sony some specs to beat, and they have a long time to do it if that's what they want to do.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Scorpio is Xbox1.5...Xbox Gemini the Xbox 2 and will be 50 TFLOPS

[nitus10]

The Sony Neo is really just a slightly more enhanced PS4 with a three layer BluRay player and HDMI 2. The reason for this is the 4k BluRay standard was only just ratified in February last year and it is only recently that 4k BluRay players are hitting the market.

If you have a 4k TV and like to play the new three layer BluRay disks then the XBoneS and the PS4.1 (Neo) are just two of multiple players on the market although their prices will be very competitive and can do so much more than just playing three layer BluRays.

@Pongwater "OT - No, it didn't. Scorpio is NextBox. Neo is PS4.5. All Scorpio did is give Sony some specs to beat, and they have a long time to do it if that's what they want to do."

Well said.

[Errorist76]

No one will care when games like God Of War even look better on PS4 than anything Microsoft will have to show.

[Next_gen_2015]

No one cares when multiplats look and perform better on the scorpio? ok nice damage control

[Sunny_D]

@nextgen

No one cares because they don't want to be burned by MS quitting their console cycle to move to the next one so quickly. You think people want to immediately move to the next cycle? Lmao, you're delusional. Even MS said the Scorpio is for the hardcore and rich people. But, I also love how you care for resolution and framerate NOW when I bet you didn't when the PS4 was handing the Xbox one's ass.

[theRedDragon]

Sunny D.- How is MS quitting their console cycle to move to the next one that quickly when it was already said all Xbox one games and accessories are forward compatible with Scorpio? That is exactly the same as how the Neo works with PS4. The only difference will be the Scorpio will be out a year later and has a 2 Tflop advantage. Current generation third party console titles will be best play on Scorpio.

[Gol3m]

@Next_gen_2015 well that's the way it is now for xbox fans with xbox one multiplats so to say it will be different when scorpio releases is just proving the flip flopping you and your green tards like to spread around

4 years after xbox one. Safe to say it's a new gen so whatever current gen games come from this gen to scorpio should be considered remasters or ports

[Gol3m]

And here we are again thereddragon another ms advertiser. Congratulations I hope they pay you well because they're certainly not paying you in games ;)

[TKCMuzzer]

@next_gen
Did you really say that, you would be happier buying a more expensive console to play third party games? No wonder Microsoft love gamers like you, they will happily go on buying timed exclusives and making few 1st party games if you keep that attitude.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed

What is the point of updated Hardware if they haven't settled what's going on with their software?

Lol

[Kaneki-Ken]

PlayStation didn't even confirmed a release date for Neo this year rather they only mention that it exist and is High-End Console but no date so stop your non sense.

[Jburr94]

Isn't that what MS doing? What's the difference. They announce a better model of Xbox one, and then announce an even better one for next year. PS fans will know it's not a major upgrade or new console because it'll still be called "PS4" and will still be treated as such you dumb dumb. PS5 coming for that assss, it's ok if you're scared lol

[AmUnRa]

The Xbone slim is not a better model of the Xbone, the hardware is the same as the xbone one. And i mean the CPU, the GPU and the DDR3 memorybank are the same on the Xbone and the Xbone slim.

[Thatguy-310]

Would rather have a weaker Sony console than a stronger MS one. Ms can't make good exlusive games to save their life's. All the power will just be to gloat just like pc guys. A lot of power no good games to go along with it.

[JackBNimble]

Guilty_Spark
Are you really excited for your scorpio upgrade so you can play exactly the same games ? Scorpio specs are over kill for this generation if MS plans on doing nothing exclusive with the console . You can have all the bragging rights you want, but your 6tflops is going to be waisted on this gen when it has the potential to do so much more.
That's like having a race car and never getting out of second gear .
Neo doesn't need more then 4tflops to stay in this generation , and the purpose for Neo is the 4k UHD blu-ray with slight incress in cpu / gpu.
We will see if scorpio can even deliver native 4k gaming which I doubt. Both consoles will most likely be using 4k upscaling if the games are going to run at a playable frame rate.
So unless scorpio leaves the xbox one behind , then MS is just waisting power and scorpios potential .

[Sunny_D]

So what will you do with the shiny new Scorpio? There's no games for it. I guess you just want to watch movies on it lmao.

[dreadz74]

lol all games will work on Scorpio so whatever games are coming out @ the time Scorpio releases will be in 4k. You guys are going to have lots of egg on ur faces when Ps4 neo is released and announced soon lol

[Gol3m]

Dreadz74 why would we have egg on our face. If neo releases this year they will just extend their lead in the console race. The scorpio will be entering a market of 25m xbox one users while Sony will be around the 60 to 70 million. When it comes to multiplat deals and the like Sony will still have the upper hand. Expect parity between neo and scorpio albeit maybe 4k res

Look I'm sure you can lift heavy things but you're not to smart

[miyamoto]

LOL! When was "power" the winning factor?

[TKCMuzzer]

No it wouldn't. The PS5 will be a new generation, it will come with it's own exclusives and much better hardware to play those exclusives. No one is disillusioned that the PS4 and NEO are different gens compared to the PS5. Plus if the PS5 was launching in 2018 it would likely be more powerful than the Scorpio, which wont annoy PS4 or NEO owners off but may upset another group, especially as it would have dedicated games.
I don't expect to see a PS5 before 2019.

[MagicBeanz]

Really, so by your own argument I guess all the current xbone owners must be really pissed.

[DetourJones]

The million dollar question is this:
Does Sony even have the time to redesign the hardware for the Neo... It doesn't look so unless they Sony scraps it and starts over... And that's a lot of money lost right there

[Silly gameAr]

I don't thi k Sony needs to do that. They don't seem like the ones who are in desperate mode here.

[Ravenheartzero]

Sony don't need to do that. By the time Scorpio comes out ps4/neo is going to be ahead by 30+million in sales. Scorpio is not going to change that. Didn't Phil Spencer say in the xbox conference when announcing Scorpio that he wanted to go 'beyond generations'? They want to take it out of this gen as far as I can tell. I understand people want to compare Scorpio with neo so they can brag they have the bigger flop. But they shouldn't be compared. You don't go sub 1080p to 4K gaming and call it a compliment to this gen.

[uth11]

This isn't redesigning an entire console from scratch. It's enhancing existing designs with different chips from AMD and others. It's much less lead time to do so.

[dreadz74]

lmao does not work like that the SOc is already designed AMD has confirmed this in their investor call http://edge.media-server.co...

[dreadz74]

lol @ ur disagrees the Ps guys really think they can scrap all the millions of dollars to design Ps4 neo. They think they can tell AMD to scrap the production that already has started.

[Errorist76]

It's possible they slightly up the frequency. Still even upcoming PS4 games look better than anything Microsoft has shown on high-end PCs....no need to worry! Even for multiplats the most popular console will always be the development target...until 2019 when probably PS5 is already underway.

[Xbox_with_the_W]

The games they have have no release YEARS and think about of all the games they showed last year they released 8%

[Sunny_D]

Fool that was about all E3 games not just Sony.

[CrimsonWing69]

I hope so, not that I'm fanboying here, but I have all my current gen library on PS4 because I just wanted the games on the best platform. Now if Xbox is the better platform I will have to migrate and it sucks to have these games and gamerscore/trophies spread across 2 platforms. But, I want to play the best possible version of the game soooooo...

[BiggerBoss]

Are you being serious?

Hey everybody, is this guy being serious?

[CrimsonWing69]

Yup, first world problems n' all.

[Sunny_D]

Then get a PC fool. If you get a Scorpio, you'll be confined to one type of spec.

[CrimsonWing69]

No I get that but what I meant was the whole keeping in with one console for a generation. Every gen I try to keep a primary console then focus on a library being built on that one and exclusives. While the differences between the 2 aren't night and day I do want the better platform to have my library on. I'm also a trophy/achievement junkie.

That being said, it feels weird to have started this gen on one platform only to shift to another, even if it's PC. Since Sony exclusives can only be played on a Sony console and I've worked on building a trophy level, I'd like to keep with the PS4, but I've shifted from 360 to PS4 so I can still adapt to jumping platforms again to have a library on the stronger console platform. And yes PC is looking more and more enticing over an Xbone now that Microsoft is pushing UWP. Nevertheless Sony will always be a part of my gaming ecosystem.

[RegorL]

Lets see...

2016 August: PS4 v. XBox One S, think you can safely stay on PS4

2016 (rumour): PS4 NEO v. XBox One S, if you feel the need to upgrade to a NEO just do it.

2017 (announced early): PS4 NEO v. XBox Scorpio, upgrade if you must...

2018/2019 (guess): PS4 Meerkat, Sony will not let Scorpio stay on top for long...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[CrimsonWing69]

All I can say is this has to be the dumbest gen ever.

[RegorL]

@CrimsonWing69 thing is 2019 we have had PS4 for six years, time to start its retirement process...

Think we will be seeing two concurrent consoles from both Sony and Microsoft from now on going forward.

Getting stuck with almost decade old technology does not generate any buzz...

[thelaughingwiseman]

A good thing about this is Sony pushed Microsoft to make this console. The bad news is Sony isn't going to have the powerful console this gen. I hope their PS4.5 is a reasonable price none-the-less. I still plan on getting one none the less

[uth11]

did Sony really push MS to do this? There were rumors of an upgraded Xbox before we ever heard a peep about Neo.

But I do I think Sony purposely leaked Neo information to force MS to show their hand. Now Sony has the luxury to say that those rumors were never the official specs.

[thelaughingwiseman]

this started before Sony rumors of a PS4.5. This started when the two consoles were released. X Box One will always be weaker than PS4. Microsoft acknowledged that by creating an upgraded version of X Box One that pushes it's console limits.

[Sunny_D]

This isn't even this gen. The Scorpio is coming out 4 years after the Xbox one. It's more like a new console like how MS released the Xbox 360.

[MagicBeanz]

"The new generation of Xbox seems to have Sony on the back foot for the first time since the days of the 360"

Really, by announcing a console that's more then a year away with zero content so far, ok. lol

"It appears to be the next generation of hardware that Sony didn't see coming."

Didn't see coming? Really that's funny weren't they already working on a console update of their own?

Anyone who thinks Sony hasn't been talking to the very same developers Microsoft has and knows what Microsoft has been doing and how to counter them is a fool. Now could we please get some professional game journalism at this site, these articles are getting extremely laughable now. At least they had the sense to add "opinion" to the title.

[rainslacker]

I'm thinking it's time to take a break from the gaming community. All this neo/scorpio console war talk is some of the stupidest crap I've heard. Throw in the whole Windows is now an Xbox sale crap as icing on the cake...with a cherry, and the levels of idiocy are just beyond anything I've ever seen.

Too many sites making assumptions, too many people making facts out of those assumptions, and too many of these assumptions being the new go to console war talking point du jour.

Fan boys from all sides have really taken all the idiocy to brand new levels I wouldn't have thought possible, and all of it is what is heralding in the short generation and constant hardware upgrade paradigm. Gotta love competition, but not when it makes the console cycle shorter than the development cycle of many AAA games. Usually there are some people who have some semblance of reasonable thought or logic on how things will proceed, but now it's just nothing but power talks for what is essentially still two unknown spec'd consoles. But hey, 6TF sounds like a big number.

Here's something to consider Xbox fans. MS 1st party development cycles dictate that they have nothing next holiday year except Forza, and I suppose a KI season. What can their 1st party deliver in less than 3 years? Take a look at their general development times. Take a look at what's been released. Take a look at when they released. Take a look at what their 1st party could possibly deliver next year after Gears comes out. They have tapped them out. The best 1st party game for Scorpio, will be a Forza game to show it's glory. That forza will be an cross gen port just like whatever iteration Forza was on with X1 released. Have fun dropping the money on a new console.

[InTheZoneAC]

Scorpio is M$ playing their final hand since they have NOTHING left to offer. They're desperate to regain that 360 fanbase that was successful due to "first next gen console hype, yo!" and this is their attempt at that.

Seeing how PS is destroying it's competition in sales I would not be surprised to see the next iteration come out until M$ is ready to launch theirs(similar to how this gen played out originally) and again surprise the **** out of them and put them back to shame. There is a chance the next iteration(talking AFTER neo) comes out before, but I think with the sales on their side they can afford to wait.

[rainslacker]

When you look at the development times of their 1st party studios, I'm having a hard time figuring out what they could possibly release with the Scorpio to make it attractive. Forza is about the only thing that comes to mind. Halo released last year, so two years later, another Halo isn't likely coming. Gears is this holiday, so 1 year isn't enough. Forza is a yearly ping pong of Horizon and Forza proper. KI Season X is a given. but what else is there?

Scorpio is destined to release with the weakest 1st party line up of new games of any new generation in history. So that can be MS new tagline. The smallest 1st party lineup of Windows 10/X1/X1S/XScorp in Xbox history.

I guess they can offer upgrades to current games. BC seems to get Xbox fans excited to play older games on their new and expensive systems.

[corroios]

The PR news onslaught about something 16 months away is just ridiculous. This new strategy is just plain stupid.

Until the Scorpio is out microsoft will already lost so much marketplace on videogaming. They need their next gen console now and not in 16 months.

Games will take years to be made and by the time the Scorpio is out the rumors about the PS5 will increase. By E3 2018 they could drop a bomb of PS5 with 12 or 14 teraflops.... because 6 teraflops in late 2017 will be a average PC spec.

The only way to have high impact was to launch this christmas and not next christmas. So they better star working on project t-rex.

[jacksfr1]

18 months..

[corroios]

Sorry, 18 months. Damn, this is really crazy. 18 month later...

[Silly gameAr]

Are these unknown sites just click bait artist or PR stunts? The MS PR team that floods N4G every weekend is pretty crazy.

[susanto1228]

The only thing that can derail Sony's plan of console domination is if the Scorpio is price pointed below what everyone expects for that to happen MSFT has to take a hit m prediction is that they will price it below what it costs to make it (they have the cash) in hopes that it garners more attention than the neo.

[Budrazor]

Ms put them into a position where if Sony tried to get better hardware into their machine the cost would be to great and couldn't sell the machine at the same price. Too big of a hit.

[rainslacker]

Sony could likely match the price given they use mostly the same providers. If MS keeps ESRAM, sony could actually make more profit at the same price, but the overall cost of ESRAM is not that big of a factor on the consumer end.

Cost involved are likely to be on the back end, which is R&D money spent, and written off in the year it's spent. It doesn't really factor in the same way as most people do their money, because the money is already gone, so it's just about making a profit off of what they're making.

[RegorL]

I think the ESRAM will be gone. It takes area on the SOC, area much better used for GPU.
Scorpio should be strong enough to run XBox One games in some compatibility mode
- part of main memory serves as ESRAM
- Move engines copying to/from that area
- Bandwidth should be enough, latency could be a problem for games optimized against low latency.

Worst drawback, showing that Sony were right all the time...

[uth11]

Im suspicious that the whole Neo leak was orchestrated by Sony in the first place, possibly to force MS's hand.

Sony did no damage control on it, even though it could impact sales. Devs say they haven't heard of Neo until Andy House interview even though kits and docs were supposedly sent to devs, and they are supposed to have neo-enhanced games on the shelf by October. Two many devs were willing to talk about Neo, apparently in violation of their NDAs meaning they could face sanctions for doing so.

Doesn't add up

If I'm right, the leaked specs and timeline may never have been the real specs and timeline.

[rainslacker]

Neo exists in some form. As to what that form is, it's hard to say. I still haven't seen anything official yet, which leads me to believe that a release this year is already out of the question unless it's just a 4K enabled PS4...maybe with HDR and upscaling for games, which wouldn't really affect the developers themselves since they don't have to do anything on their end.

New more powerful hardware may be a possibility due to price on the back end, but as of now, I can't see this actually being a mid gen, compliance enabled upgrade of any sort...at least not for this year.

This could mean that Neo was still on the drawing board(likely since FCC, patents, and UL listings don't exist), or it was just the code name for the PS5...which means it could just be what Scorpio is to MS. Probably won't be labelled PS5 though, as MS marketing will make it more into a thing where generations no longer exist....which in itself is BS from MS, because the "no gamer left behind" basically says, "Sorry devs, you can't utilize all this power we give you".

People here, mostly, don't really understand some of the development details on what I'm talking about though, and I've given up trying to explain it.

However, I do think you may be right. Given the circumstances, which you lay out, this may have been a controlled leak from Sony. In which case, Sony isn't running scared. It may be Sony was taken by surprise, but I feel that is unlikely given how much the rumors have been circulating, and how calm the confirmation of it was. Given that MS announced their console, it would have made more sense for Sony to announce theirs, even if not giving out specs, but keeping things broad to keep people guessing...because it seems like Sony likes people guessing on the nature of the Neo...which isn't typically a good thing for hardware releasing soon with other more concrete hardware also incoming.

[uth11]

I couldnt imagine that Sony wouldn't take "what would Microsoft do" into account when planning the Neo. I'd think they would have contingency plans for different scenarios. So the idea they are shocked, scared or whatever by Scorpio doesn't make sense unless they are incompetent

[rainslacker]

They are unlikely to know 100% what the competition is doing, but would likely be able to have a good idea based on factors that are easily analyzed. Some unknowns make it harder...like release date, actual make up of the system, actual spec of the chip(not just 6TF which doesn't mean much), and things of that nature.

Contingency can be in place, but at some point a commitment has to be made, and any system releasing this year would have that commitment made. Wouldn't matter if Sony had contingencies, or were scared, they'd have to go through with what they planned or lose a bundle on R&D and all the sourcing that goes along with making a new system. While some minor changes could theoretically be made, nothing in the tune of 2TF changes or major component changes.

Every company has to consider what may happen, but ultimately, once those things are considered, all that has to be done is remain true to their plan, and hope for the best while dealing with the competition on the front end, and not the back end development end.

Truth be told, a 6TF system from MS 18 months out sounds more reactive to the rumors of Sony making a new mid gen upgrade because it actually is 18 months out. MS may have had one on the drawing board, possibly for X2, and they just sped up their plans. But 18 months out for a new generation of consoles is unheard of....when MS could have just as easily stuck to the X1S and stole Sony's thunder without causing all this idiocy and weakening the current X1/X1S that is/will be in the market.

That's why I get a kick out of people who say Sony is scraping their plans, or running scared, because MS so far are the only ones who seem to be doing any reacting, and that reaction showed it's face at the end of their conference.

[uth11]

Since Sony and MS both have AMD as their supplier, they both would know what the competition can and can't accomplish, and for what price. That's different than other gens.

Yes at some point they have to commit and go to production. But I question what state they are actually at. When PS4 devs say they've never heard of Neo until last week, when they supposedly had dev kits already and are supposed to be shipping Neo enhanced games by October, something doesn't add up. There's a certain amount of bluffing going on, lol So it could be Sony waited until MS showed their hand to finalize the spec. And these rumors that they were ready to start shipping Neo games was designed to put MS into panic mode.

[Majin-vegeta]

Memebr this whole gen its been about Sony trolling MS.Memebr when they said why go first when your opponent could just change their specs.tjen BOOM sony shows off the PS4.

[njulo]

what's the point of having a powerful console, yet the Xbox exclusives are weak and on top of that, they coming on PC as well.

[Destiny1080]

ms are on a desperate streak of desperate right now, announcing a new console 18 months out basically killing sales of the xbone

please hang on and wait for the scorpio we promise it wont suck this time

[Sm00thNinja]

As much spin AS SONY FANS WANT TO PUT ON IT. Days after E3 were not talking about Death Stranding, or Spiderman, or Days Gone or God of War. No. Were still discussing Mocrosofts Scorpio. Pretty telling who had the biggest impact at E3

[trouble_bubble]

There's articles and forum posts on all the games you listed every single day. Maybe YOU don't click on them, but it's hardly just the Scorpio news network.

Yesterday Last Guardian was heating up from salty haters, today Spider-man, Days Gone, God of War, and Horizon all have new articles on page 1. There's a new Days gone article already 500 degrees with 60+ posts and a Spider-Man one tracking right behind.

All these Scorpio articles are is redundant arguing among the same handful over the different ways they say the same thing.

[rainslacker]

Sony fans are talking about those games in the articles about those games. I see just as many MS fans talking about hardware 18 months out, so if that's the best that came out of MS E3, that's just sad. particularly since MS had a decent showing of games.

@your comment below.

MS can call this whatever they want. But Scorpio is most definitely a new generation of hardware. You don't jump 4X the power without it being a new generation. 4X is actually more than most generational leaps.

[rainslacker]

More than half the games shown at Sony's show have a release date by Q1 2017, less than a year away.

WHy is it sad? it's not really sad to talk about it, or anticipate it. But others are saying that Sony fans are in here talking about his more than the games, as if Sony fans aren't talking about the games shown. That's just not the case. I haven't seen a lot of articles about MS games shown, so haven't really seen if Xbox fans are talking about it, but they are most certainly talking about new hardware as if that's the best thing to come out of the conference, and I find that people who are more excited for the hardware than the games to be kind of sad.

[jay2]

No
.neos here this year. Itll outperfprm the s. Its not due for scropio fighting

[Playable_Gamez]

Nope it's too late specs are set and done for the PS Neo. But it honestly doesn't matter. Like I keep telling people, being the most powerful console is like being the tallest midget. It doesn't mean anything.
Sony just needs to execute the Neo flawlessly and they will be good. Which I don't see them fucking this up.

[Sm00thNinja]

Microsoft hasnt dubbed this the XBONE 2 this is a mid cycle upgrade just like Sony plans so whose to say they dont launch a generational upgrade down the stretch.

[assdan]

It depends on price. If they can make the Scorpio the same price as neo. It's significant.

[Auron]

Did you know if you guys owned all consoles you guys wouldnt be crazy fighting and arguing like you are now. its sad really.. get jobs and buy all the systems! It feels nice owning all the consoles and not having to be upset that I'm not getting this exclusive or something like that. Its really calmed me down i used to be a hardcore fanboy now im chill and always happy when e3 comes around. Because what ever the outcome i win.

[Gamist2dot0]

After E3, I think Sony acknowledges MS's move but don't care about Scorpio. I think Sony will continue to focus on what works for the consumer, e.g., not introducing Neo, but announcing PSVR and making it clear that it works great on the 40+ million PS4s owners because some people thought you need Neo for PSVR. I wouldn't be surprised after NEO (if release in 2016), Sony will announce PS5 in 2019 or 2020 when gamers and developers are ready for the 9th console generation.
We all know that MS is being competitive with hardware power right after the release of the X1; Cloud power, DX 12, now Scorpio (1.5 years away) with devs having no clue about it until weeks ago pretty much gives us a an idea what they're striving for to gain gamers' interest. What they should have done is look at the history of video games...

[ziggurcat]

quite possibly, yes. if sony wants to compete, they're going to have to adjust their specs.

[D2K]

No. If Sony is releasing PS Neo this year (which Andrew House says) it is too late in the game to make any changes to the system. The Holiday season is only 4 and 1/2 months away. You need time for mass manufacturing plus getting product into retailers. Whatever PS Neo is, that's what it is going to be. Sony will have to answer with the PS5.

I think Project Scorpio is Microsoft's next-gen console anyway so it would only make sense to answer with a PS5 far more powerful than Scorpio.

[Criti-Choco]

wait, when did andrew house say it was this year? He only confirmed neo was being developed

[D2K]

I stand corrected. He did not say it was confirmed to come out this year. Still doesn't change my point though. If PS Neo is coming out this year it's still too late to change anything significantly.

[slavish0]

dude is full of it

[Criti-Choco]

@D2K well obviously, but XBOX already put a bar for people to expect something by saying when its due. you see, the difference is they announced everything. So far sony has not said anything at all, not only was the release timing a "leak" but so were the specs. Nothing has been official news so far, I dont know why people treat it that way

[ILostMyMind]

If NEO is released this year so there is no time to redesign the console. But one way or another I hope Sony continues as planned. I do not want to pay U $ 600.00 on an console.

[81BX]

I think it did but in the end we may never know for sure... game on!

[WelkinCole]

It is obvious Sony already worked on the Neo much earlier than MS on their scoripo.

Sony is dominating and with Neo this year it will be a bloodbath.

Combine with all the excellent games shown at E3 this year that will be releasing in 2017-2018 that will Scoprio will run smack into. Sony are in a much better position that MS.

So no. Neo is not back at the drawing board. There is no reason why Sony would since they are dominating.

MS are the ones that are desperate. This whole Scoripo is just an upgraded X1 is BS. Their only option after they threw everything at the PS4 last year is to start fresh with a new console. The problem is it has been only 2 years into this gen.

So they are forced to announce their new console early and to pacify X1 owners they are claiming its just an upgrade.

An almost 6 fold increase in power is not just an upgrade people. That is a next gen console upgrade.

Funny how you xbox fans are easily fooled.

Neo is a real console upgrade as the power increase is about 2 fold. Its Sony's Trojan horse into the 9th gen with one foot in next gen and one foot in current. It is not a complete next gen and why it is called PS4.5. PS5 in late 2018 or early 2019 is the real Sony 9th gen console.

[DJ]

It might explain the lack of a Neo presence at E3. Maybe they'll ask AMD to update the Neo specs to match Scorpio? Devs already have enough to worry about with PS4 Normal and XB1 having very different specs.

[objdadon]

@TheRedDragon

The scorpio is the xbox 2. Phil spencer said everything going forward will be backwards and forwards compatible meaning everything is wildows 10. Buy one game no matter the system and scale accordingly. That's why games will not be made exclusively for it.
This is the transition phase, pc is eating off our plate and getting fat, good news for Microsoft though if the can convince pc players to use their store. Microsoft is not gonna call it their next gen system because of the backwards and forwards compatible future they're going and they want the slim to sell.
Sony has never implied anything about being backwards and forwards compatible, they're invested in ps now. The ps5 will have it's own exclusives, the neo will play the same games with better resolution and frames. These two companies are moving towards two different paths.

[DarXyde]

I mean, does it matter?

If it didn't, that just means we had more time to get a great look at what's coming to the PlayStation you own right now at E3. I'd say it was an excellent showing.

And if it did send Sony back to make revisions...why is that bad? They're taking the competition seriously and trying to give us more of what we want.

Who's losing in either scenario? Xbox gamers have a new platform to look forward to, PlayStation gamers will have an upgrade to look forward to (IF they upgrade, but not upgrading shouldn't cause problems either since the great games shown off will be available for standard PS4 as well).

Meanwhile, Nintendo is looking to push some boundaries we've taken for granted as convention in an interesting way, even if the power may not be there and absolutely killed with Breath of the Wild. Let's not forget PC only gamers basically getting confirmation that they need not worry about missing games like Cuphead or Scalebound.

Again, who's worried? Who's hurting?

[Cohagen420]

So with the sales gap growing and another GOTY contender out in 2016, Sony is the one worrying? Best comedy article yet

[agame914]

no Xbox Scorpio didn't

[jmac53]

The way I see it, I can play MS exclusives on my PC and I can buy a $199 graphics card this year that has 5.5 Teraflops. I won't be able to play Sony exclusives on my PC so the Neo makes more sense to me even if it is underpowered. I can only imagine how many Teraflops $199 will buy in 2017.

[PistolsAtDawn]

So this looks like an interesting chess match going on. DF had an interesting article/video on the whole thing saying that at this stage, both consoles are pretty much set in stone, there is SOME wiggle room, but not much...contract have been written, production has started...chips have been designed, dev kits sent out etc. So trying to make massive changes at this point would be difficult...which does seem to have some logic to it....THAT BEING SAID...it feels like MS and Sony both know there are going to be leaks of their plans...so I wonder if both companies had multiple plans in the works already. Sony made Neo...word got out....MS made Scorpio....now Sony may go with plan B....but who is to say MS doesn't ALSO have a plan B. When Scorpio rumors FIRST hit the net it was a 10 tflop machine, not 6.2 with 12 gb or Ram or whatever it is...what if MS announced 6Tflops knowing Sony would want to adjust...and knowing that later fans wouldn't complain about being MORE powerful than originally announced.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

There's little that Sony can do at this point. The console is set to release this year, and is already heading for the plants.

But it doesn't matter. Raw power has never won any console generation. The momentum is in Sony's favor and unless something drastic happens, it's going to stay that way.

[vegasgamerdawg]

Highly improbable, the NEO is rumored to be coming out in the next couple of months, that means they're already making them. You don't think MS knew that before they announced Scorpio? Evidently the author does not understand economics or reality. It would cost them billions to stop now.

[SonyAddict]

I just sold an i7 gaming rig earlier today that blew the ps4 and xbox1 out of the water!, but saying that I prefer my ps4 and use that a lot more but something I wanted to say is that pc gaming ain't all cracked up to what it's ment to be!, the pc just sat in a corner collecting dust and I'm so glad I sold it and I'm totally done with pc gaming now..

[JMyers]

40 million PS4s exists in the wild. Whatever Sony does it will take these people with them. I don't think the Neo will launch this year as Sony is pushing VR. Instead I do think they will match or outdo the Specs of the Scorpio. Either next year or following that. MS isn't losing the "war" due to power differences. They are losing due to not having worldwide appeal and new franchises that appeal to varied and broad audiences.

[Babadook7]

"The new generation of Xbox seems to have Sony on the back foot for the first time since the days of the 360"

Nope.

[theIndianNoob]

I don't think Sony would go back to drawing board based on what the Scorpio specs are. Given they were scheduled to ship the console in September.
I also don't think the Sony management is really sweating this mixed signal from MS, where they are trying to satisfy the Windows 10, Xbox One, and soon Xbox S and Xbox Scorpio.
A lot of people already own the PS4, and they have a very attractive set of games coming out on that platform.
I don't see MS putting up a fight until they have an exclusive of really stand-out games, until then I think they are gonna remain 2nd best for now.

[RegorL]

No, think it already is in pre-production (game developers are said to have development systems).
Rumoured specifications of the Neo match actual releases from AMD.
I see no reason for Sony not to release it this year.

Scorpio on the other hand looks like it is still on the drawing board, that was no capture, film and photo, of a real existing board. That was component placement 3D model generated from CAD system. Compare with actual photographs of a real XBox One board and you notice what is missing - labels, all components should have labels...

In addition to that, there is no matching product releases from AMD. Sure future products might match... delays happens...

On Sonys drawing boards are the next release, and I bet it will release within a year after Scorpios actual release. At that time it would also be about time to begin retirement the original PS4 (would be at least six years old then), no longer mandating that all game releases has to work on it.

[Mr_Writer85]

It would if power was all PS4 had over Xbox.

But it also has a lower price, exclusives, and a clear message from day one, games, games, games. They also have a strong hold on Europe and
Japan.

Xbox now has one less thing to combat, but that doesn't mean there will be a huge power shift, maybe in the US the PS4 market share might shrink a little.

But the PS4 didn't sell 40m units just because it has a slightly more power than X1.

[Hk85karlsson]

Spot on! The PS4 has been a super success, and Sony has not made a mistake yet.

Pricepoint, exclusive games and a straight forward message =40M sold through consoles.
The merge between the failed Xbox brand and the widely hated Win10 brand could be a success, or a complete and utter failure from MS.
MS Store is considered to be straight trash by PC gamers. STEAM is the shit and MS needs to put their game where everybody shops. Will they? Some people thought they bought the Xbox One Kinect 2.0 version to have real exclusives and full support from MS.

MS announces 2 new consoles at E3 =Three new boxes in 3 years (even if Scorpio releases next year) and the NEO is the bad guy at the block party? Logic is a dish someone eats on sundays apparently.

[Mr_Writer85]

Don't get me wrong I like the Xbox, don't really have the time to justify buying one, but I have nothing against Xbox or MS.

I just think in the console market Sony are stronger and losing the "most powerful" tag of their console won't equal 40m gamers dropping their PS4 and running to Neo.

And I think MS know this, I think they will shift away from consoles in future and get back into the PC game.

But they are using the Scorpio as a way of bringing 20m consoles players with them.

From scratch Xbox can't complete with GOG or Steam. But if they bring a fan base with them they will be able to build on it.

I can see future Xbox's being what Valve hoped Steambox's would be. And I can see them doing well.

[LastcenuryRob]

Sega Genesis was better than SNES

[King_Lothric]

I don't think so. There was no official information about the NEO to say that.

But I can remember how the PS4 totally destroyed the xbox One official plans and forced Microsoft to completely change their console. Remember how MS eliminated DRM, always online, sharing games and even kinect because of the PS4?

[ARESWARLORD]

I have PS4 and Xbox One and I'm very interested in Neo and Scorpio I just hope Sony ups the specs to match the Scorpio. It'd be good if they were both 6 teraflop Beasts

[Mr_Writer85]

Wouldn't hold my breath on Neo changing, it would push cost up, which would mean higher launch price.

The Scorpio is going to be a hefty console so expect the price tag to be just as hefty.

The Neo could possibly be the same price the PS4 was at launch, which will no doubt be cheaper than the Scorpio.

Don't underestimate lower price, also by the time Scorpio does come out Sony might be able to cut the base PS4 and Neo price.

Again, price has a huge effect on sales.

[Ghanja]

How people can't see this?typical Microsoft.xb1s is basically just playing catch up it looks exactly like a white ps4.Scorpio was announced to counteract what the ps4 already did as being the most technically advanced console to date. Basically the xb1s is maxed out so ideally you start working on a new console and mention it when you've been outsoled 4 to 1.oh yeah and the ps4s is a 4.5 system, with that,we now know why Scorpio was mentioned....

[rezzah]

I think it did if sony needs to match it in tech.

[feraldrgn]

We've now seen what a base PS4 can do, with Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War 5 & Uncharted 4.

Does anyone really think that Sony will want to break the bank just to outpower the promised specs of the Scorpio?
Especially when a base PS4 can put out such quality, so any kind of bump is impressive.

Also the Xbox One S is still bigger than the PS4 base model.
The amount they've slimmed it isn't even impressive, their reveal trailer was a lie:

Real comparison:
https://youtu.be/Ga8G-7TKKN...
compared to reveal:
https://youtu.be/dvyyGn3ULP...

[Mithan]

Too much speculation on the power of these consoles at this point. Nothing has been revealed about the PS4 Neo. For all we know, it will come with the same chip as the Xbox Box Scorp.

[MEGANE]

MS is doing what Sony dint want to... Divide the market. On the other hand Ms has not choice( cuz the are losing really bad) and they have lot of resurces to make a new cosole. I think the Xbox one s sounds good and i think the scorpio is to soon, but hey! Dont we pay $ for new Iphones everey 12 monts?.and i guarantee PC gamers upgraded their hardware every 2 years... So am not sure if back to drawing board but maybe rushing the next generation! Ur move Sony

[liran]

Nopz. MS can bring their strong HW but how the company works is matter.
I love PC games but I don't see a single point of buying Xbox if I'm getting all for my PC.

Sony will continue to win also with Neo, since Sony is all about exclusives and simplicity.

[Vinster]

Article isn't worth the click... I have no idea why Scorpio is being compared to Neo by um "professionals". The Xbox One S (4k -HDR) is the direct competitor to PS Neo. From what I've read I believe market refuses to acknowledge the XBox One S since Microsoft killed the public interest in it when when they mentioned project "Scorpio". Overall, this was a very weird presentation they had this year. They should of really pushed the Xbox One S for the rest of this year with their major titles to be released. Is it possible the sales predictions on the Xbox One are so bad they need to announce a next generation console? Or maybe they want to blur the line between a "console gamer" and a "PC Gamer" as soon as they can?

[JackStraw]

Has Sony officially announced & shown off the Neo? No. Therefore, no, it hasn't & didn't. We don't even know Neo's specs yet.

[Vinster]

That's my point, For all we know, these "news worthy" comparisons could be comparing Microsoft's next gen console to a PS4 slim model.

[TheOnlyGamer]

No, because Sony will launch the Neo this Holiday, but Sony were caught off-guard with this one, the specs are BEAST!

Scorpio will have the BETTER versions of multiplats 100% of the time.

[jmidd00]

Xbox is mass producing a product which; in turn, is cheaper to the consumer= comparable power to a higher end gaming rig for a fraction of the price! I don't see how this would mean that Scorpio will flop. I will get one-- especially if I am making the choice between a $500 console or a $1500+ gaming rig. I think that MS is trying to take some market share from the PC and the console market. Its somewhat a "blue ocean market strategy". I know others have made console/PC hardware, but its all been underwhelming. Maybe MS can do it right.