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Can Microsoft's "monster" next-gen console truly run games at 4K and 60fps?

Although both Sony and Nintendo have confirmed new consoles in development, neither of the two were present or talked about at this year’s E3. Surprisingly, it was actually Microsoft who ended their E3 2016 media briefing with a huge new console announcement that shocked us all.

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Kingthrash3602949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

It's not a console.
It's a pc. MS has pulled out of the console game.
Before yall get to saying I'm trolling just know I'm not. It's reality. The scorpio will compete with pc....they share the same games. Play on the same network. ...all the Xbox is now is a way for ms to get more win 10 sales.
All you guys getting ready to play pc guys on the same network should invest in a key&mouse and get used to it or get owned.
All scorpio games will be better on pc. It has no exclusives now it's powerful and that's nice. ...but pc has always been powerful and will always be more powerful. There is just no reason to compare them. The Xboxs main competition is pc. That's just fact.
And it will run games at 4k....but not at 60 frames. Some of the best rigs out there have problems running 4k. The scorpio would cost like 700+ to run 4k at 60..

Below....I don't think you realize how it works...ok let's say the card is 350 alone....ok how much for processer? Ram? Design? Bluray drive? Controller? Production cost...then the extra for profit
They have to make a profit on this stuff. Then there's the upgrades every 3 years god know how much it will be...
But whatever yall just gunna flip and spin.
Ms can do no wrong...can't wait until they say how much this thing will be. Lol enjoy

Erik73572949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

I agree, it would be stupid if it wasn't a PC running windows 10.If it did run games at 4k 30fps games I would seriously expect it to be like $1000 dollars!Like it's one thing to claim 4k but 4k at 60fps but this would be EVEN MORE expensive if true, much more than $1000!! If it wants to run good looking up to date games at 4k/30fps it will sell for $1000 dollars.

Like a gtx980 (not founders edition) will cost 600 dollars and can potentially run games at 4k well on highest settings at stable 30fps. Microsoft could probably get a gpu set up by amd with that performance for $500 dollars by 2017 fall (year and a half from now) but THATS JUST THE GPU LOL. You also have a 8 core cpu that would probably cost them $200 atleast, so $700 dollars right there! Then the ram which would cost $60 dollars, next the storage which would cost like $100 at best case scenario for a 2 terabyte hybrid drive by 2017 second quarter, then the motherboard which idk what console motherboards would cost but that combined with the sound card would cost atleast $75 , then the fans and casing and everything else I forgot for manufacturing could be $45 dollars (Im setting good prices for this so best case scenario here)

So it would cost $970 dollars to make a 4k console that could run good looking up to date games at 30fps and will sell for $1000. IF anyone wants to add to this with estimating the cost please do! Maybe $900 (This is best case scenario don't expect that price) if they can cut deals I guess, supposidly they get gpus as cheap as possible but then they would literately only make like $1-$5 dollars on each unit which is terrible lol. Sony makes like a solid $50 dollars or around that for each ps4 they sell.

$900 (Probably will be a $1000) would be pretty damn good price for something that can run 4k up to date games at stable 30fps and even if $1000 dollars thats still a competitive price, but it would still suck compared to pc if its a console because of its limitations and if you could get all xbox software/games/community on pc its kinda silly to buy this "super xbox one".

Erik73572949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

LOl at fanboys on this site...

Kingthrash3602949d ago

One of the points of console gaming is the price...

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kickerz2949d ago

Guys they most likely will use AMD graphics which is alot cheaper then Nvidia. So please stop saying it will be at least $1000

darthv722949d ago

Do you both seriouly think MS is shopping for parts at newegg or something? You guys are laying out retail when MS gets their parts wholesale. And in a years time the parts will be cheaper.

Im calling it right now that Scorpio will be no more than $599 at the high but leaning to the $499 range. They would take a hit on hardware to make the $$ back on software. It's how it's usually been done.

ShadowKnight2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

I agree it will be expensive. I still think it will be $499.00 to $599.00 which is still to much IMO

Omnislashver362949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

6 TFLOPS is not 4K gaming, atleast by M$ math

Halo 5 runs 900p-1080p graphics not as good as PS4 even
So with 4.5x the power how could
Halo 6 run 4K and improve graphics beyond PS4 level

It doesn't add up. You'd be with the same exact graphics or less, and still not hit 4K the entire time, what's the point? They'll likely stay at 1080p and improve graphics beyond belief and market it as '4K' and dumbass consumers not knowing the difference. 1080p is a perfect 1:4 scale to 4K, they'll likely not miss a chance to do better graphics at 1080p getting 'more for less', not to mention feasible.

Games that are a solid 1080p on XB1 may get a 4K mode, like Scalebound or Recore, but you can bet their lookers are going to be 1080p and 60fps. I'm not even a huge fan of 60fps but it looks to be the next big thing. Graphics/fps are going to subversively be marketed off as 4K and customers won't know the difference.

Edit- disagrees, ha, wait until PS5-gen for 4K. Still 3-4 years off.

conanlifts2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

What are you taking about. You realise the 1070 outperforms the 980 and is being released this year for $379. This is a 6.5tflop gpu. So by 2017 it will be cheaper. In addition $379 is the consumer price, ms will not be charged a fraction of this for a similiar card. In addition amd cards are also cheaper than nvidia cards (radeon 480 runs around 5tflops for a $199 consumer price) .Most likely it will drop in at around 499-$599 when released. Not 1k as you mention.
If this new console works i predict in 3 years time a new xbox bring released. The scorpio will then be the base model and the next model the premium.

starchild2949d ago

Microsoft hasn't announced a price, but if we're going to make wild guesses we should at least be realistic. All these $600 to $1,000 figures are pure fantasy and have no basis in the facts.

Right now the GTX 1070 can maintain over 30fps at 4k resolution in the majority of games. That is a 6.5 TFLOP card. AMD is also about to release the RX 480, which is a 5.5 TFLOP card that retails for $199 for the 4gb version. Although it's true that TFLOPS aren't everything and aren't directly comparable between different architectures, it's still easy to see that by the end of 2017 it should be easy for Microsoft to release a 6 TFLOP console capable of 4k/30fps for a price of around $400.

Considering a PC with a 6.5 TFLOP card can maintain above 30fps at 4k in the vast majority of games (and at higher settings than the console versions) it should be no problem for a console with a 6 TFLOP GPU to do 4k resolution at 30fps, given the more efficient and less abstracted nature of game software running on fixed console hardware.

As for the price, we have to consider that if a 5.5 TFLOP card today is selling to consumers for only $199 it is conceivable that a 6 TFLOP GPU in a year in a half may cost only $130. And that's consumer pricing. Microsoft would obviously be buying millions of these from AMD and would likely get them for nearly half that. So something like $70 for the GPU. And if they're still going to be using a SoC design there's savings involved there too.

I don't see any problem at all with them being able to release the Xbox Scorpio for a price similar to what the PS4 and XB1 launched at.

sinspirit2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

Sorry, that math is terrible.

We have $200 AMD cards coming that have 5Tflops in just a few days. By late next year we will have even better for the same. I don't know how much all the other parts cost but since they are using mostly the same hardware with slight upgrades which could add a 6Tflop card, even at retail cost, and make profit at the $500 price point. Maybe at the $400-$450 considering that they wouldn't be paying retail cost for the GPU in bulk. But, factor in that I said "card". I don't know how the heck they are going to have a 6TFlop GPU chip on the same di as the CPU but that's basically what they've said. Sounds like they've announced specs that are exaggerated or rely on AMD's expected hardware that have not come to fruition quite yet. Maybe the smaller nanometers are just that much smaller and I just haven't realized it.

And, geez. No one cares about your 4k arguments, guys. With that much GPU power we will have some astounding 4K games with about the same graphics as we have from our best games right now. But, everyone keeps forgetting that if they properly optimize that they can do 4K much better than equivalent PC hardware. But, the point is that this much power CAN actually do 4K gaming at 30 and even 60fps in certain games if optimized correctly. But, what if I told you guys something secret.. 1080p is still great looking and the difference in 4K on a TV is not so important to merit downgrading other graphical details. I want all the current powerhouse games at full 60fps, looking even better, at 1080p with AA, anisotropic filtering(I love long and view distances with clear detail), and maybe with VR support rather than 4K. 4K is just a statement of it's capability. It's not the most important factor but just a nice luxury at the moment that some games will reach without sacrificing good visuals.

freshslicepizza2949d ago

hmmm, so it was ok for sony to charge $599 for a super computer but project scorpio is not allowed to be released ALONGSIDE the xbox one and xbox one s? it's embarassing to see the same people talk so much about a product they have no intentions of ever supporting. constantly trying to downplay it because they are now going to be pc gamers and let the world know that the best thing to do is buy a ps4 and a 4k gaming computer instead just to keep the agenda of the xbox brand is irrelevant now.

Bigpappy2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

When you set out to build a monster, you build a darn MONSTER. Can't compromise to meet a price point. You end up with a wolf when you really wanted a Lion.

I want them to build the monster. If it really is a Monster, I am willing to pay more than you think. But it would be nice if M$ tanks an upfront hit to let us trade in the X1 for a nice savings. But I can afford a $1000 Monster. You are free to call it whatever you want. As long as it plays all my Xbox games and has all the Xbox features, I am ready for that leaves of power.

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Zeref2949d ago

you need to look at AMD cards for price comparisons. NVIDIA cards are known to be expensive.

_-EDMIX-_2949d ago

@sd11 and Starchild 100% agree.

Great points, good reads.

pyroxxx2949d ago

@moldybread ,.. They are allowed,.. but they will fail even harder than PS3 did at the beginning,.. PS3 actually had brand recognition and later on when they lowered price, had quality games ,.. managed to catch up and surpass 360,.. and took them 7-8 years for a 8.5 mil lead.

IceKoldKilla2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

Uuuh. You don't know anything about how companies buy hardware and build products, huh? You are talking about consumer prices. Microsoft isn't going to their local hardware store to buy hardware to build Scorpio. They make a deal with the manufacturers and get a shit ton of shipment for a reduced price.

game4funz2949d ago

Actually no. New cards on the way.

cyclindk2949d ago (Edited 2949d ago )

Microsoft will not be paying anywhere near the "off-the-shelf" price for any of those components. Just readjust all your numbers to take this into account. Slash at LEAST half off all those numbers I'd say, if not more, if you want to make a decent guestimated/extrapolation here.

Please actually do this in your reply, I'd like to see what it comes out to as I think your general choices for achieving the visual results would probably hold true. Just re-crunch the numbers.

I've seen that GTX980 on the shelf for 450.00, so maybe Micro pays 175 or 200 max if they cut a deal for mass inclusion in their boxes? Same goes for every other piece of hardware inside the shell.

darthv722949d ago

@pyroxx... ps3 at $599 failed because its games were no better than 360 at half the price. Sony said the high price was because of bluray.

No matter how many cuts they made to the system... the games still were no better than the cheaper 360. And funny thing is this is two generations in a row where MS is adding features and keeping the price competitive. Dont know anything about scorpio but it seems like it would be worth the $599 unlike the ps3 no matter how you spin it.

DDMNeo2949d ago

I think the thing you might be forgetting is that the prices you're providing are consumer prices. Microsoft will not be paying those prices. I can't tell you the exact price it costs to make each GPU in a factory, but I can assure you it's under $100. This is because the cost of all the parts (and Chinese labor) is not that much on a bulk scale, Microsoft will be probably paying a little more than that for each. The reason we pay that much on our end is for a few reasons. Transportation being a big part, but it's also R&D, marketing, and because (as most PC gamers know) the GPU companies licence out their tech to be made by other companies (such as MSI and EVGA). However Microsoft pays just for the units (because the don't licence the brand).

kamisama2949d ago

I just built a 4k gaming rig in December it cost me $1700 so this guy is being optimitistic . I have a 980ti zotac ampd extreme, i7 6700k, 16g ram, Asus sabertooth s motherboard, Samsung ssd 500g etc...

UltimateMaster2949d ago

Monster PCs can't run games in 4k 60fps on a single GPU.
If they can't, Xbox One Scorpio can't. 30fps is likely.

darthv722949d ago

@ultimate master... 4k games @ 60fps on a single GPU... sure they can. It just depends on how much graphical fidelity there is going on in that game. And who said anything about the scorpio being just a single GPU?

Pure speculation but what if the system has an expansion slot and therefore you could literally add in a 2nd gpu to improve the performance? Phil did say not to long ago about making the console expandable not simply replaceable.

Dabigsiebowski2948d ago

The only way it would be a PC is if it could run steam as well. Soon as that happens then I'd agree.

UltimateMaster2948d ago (Edited 2948d ago )

Again, you have just acknowledge my point. You can't have games to run in 4k 60fps at max settings.
You have to lower the settings and that is just taking a step backwards as car as gaming is conserned.
Benchmarks of the 10Tflops 1080 GPU shows around 53 fps. Again, this is 10Tflops people, not 6.
Go do your homework before misleading people into believing unproven facts.