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Xbox One boss on working with Valve and Steam through Project Scorpio

Microsoft's recent announcement of Project Scorpio does pose the interesting question of if the new Xbox will allow Microsoft and Valve to work more closely together than ever before.

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darthv722907d ago

I remember the early days of Steam. It didn't work to good. Activation issues and patch problems with games like Half Life 2 and counter Strike... but it got better. It just took time and effort and people reporting things to Valve to fix.

I like to believe they have been working on half life 3 all this time but I'm inclined to believe they have been refining their steam box / os. If they would put their differences aside, Valve and MS could potentially turn every xb1 into a cheap steam box and they could both make some serious coin.

Paytaa2907d ago

It would officially be the biggest shake up in the console space if Steam came to Xbox. It's something I really hope happens.

This would probably be Valve's best opportunity to continue their Steambox gimmick as they would be tapping into an already large userbase.

Gaming_Cousin2907d ago

It is looking more like a PC

TXIDarkAvenger2907d ago

Seems like a dumb move.

If Xbox became a Steambox with Xbox games, that would just be a PC. People weren't even interested in Steam boxes, this wouldn't make a difference.

freshslicepizza2907d ago

the difference is those steamboxes were running linux, not windows 10. and another big difference is microsoft will likely not be making as big as profits since they recoup it on services and software. those who made the steambox didn't get those royalties, they just built the hardware.

jimmydonegood2907d ago

Gabe used to work with MS. It's time to come HOME Gabe.

Kingthrash3602907d ago

Shake up the console space?? Why? It's steam....that's a pc thing.. it will make the Xbox have more pc games than console games. Let it get steam...I wonder if you'll need xbl to play steam games online...bet it will.

ULTp0ltergeist2907d ago

Hell imagine Half Life 3 funded by Microsoft?! It's a shooter and shooters do very well on Xbox, imagine HL3 exclusive to both PC and Xbox?!!!

jrshankill2907d ago

Darkavenger

Why is this a dumb move? Is having an option for potentially more games dumb? A console that plays more games... is dumb?

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DevilOgreFish2907d ago

"Xbox One boss on working with Valve and Steam through Project Scorpio"

A great source to play lots of pc games. It would be a huge plus to the console.

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donthate2906d ago

feju:

You hit the nail on the head, because MS as it is now, is Sony's worst nightmare. Before MS tried to attract PC players to Xbox, which aligns with Sony's interest of attracting PC gamers to console. MS is now opening the flood gates, and they are ensuring PC gamers are invested into the Xbox platform at no cost. Think about that, and what will happen in 3-years?

Now think about dual console owners? Where are they going to buy their games? PC/XB or just PS4? Heck, best performance of console game will also be on Xbox Scorpio. Everything is forward compatible.

It's not a good time to be Sony heading into the future.

DLConspiracy2906d ago (Edited 2906d ago )

I realize steambox was not successful mostly because they were not able to grab the attention of the console gamer. They pretty much marketed to PC gamers. The fact that xbox has predominately a console market, then perhaps bringing the steam app to Xbox might be a huge win. It could grab the attention of millions of console gamers. A much better bridge than the steambox had. Or is MS going the route of being able to use Oculus and HTC Vive on scorpio? None of this would be too far fetched IMO. However their partnership with Oculus might make that difficult. I think it would be pretty amazing if both could utilize scorpio to game on. It would be a pretty big deal to be able to use xbox exclusives, steam games, HTC Vive games and Oculus on the scorpio.

Bigpappy2907d ago

This would be a win for both M$ and Valve. Playing Steam collection on my 4K-curve using the Monster sounds really inviting.

Magnes2906d ago

@pappy you can already do that plug your pc into your tv via an hdmi (99.9% of all pc's have hdmi) choose big picture mode and viola!

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Bigpappy2906d ago

Bg116 is correct. Plus my video card and processor are old as dirt.

NXFather2821d ago

It would be excellent to bypass the 30 fps xbox scorpio version for the steam 60 fps games to use on scorpio.

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Antnee5342907d ago

So this could mean valve is going to team up with Ms to make a steambox

marquisray2906d ago

So what is sony doing hmmmm

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Sweendog0072907d ago

I don't think steam will come to Xbox brand , what I think the interview with phill means is that they approached steam bosses to help then understand how to make the Windows store a better experience rather than steam coming to Xbox

Windows store is not well treated by users and many people don't buy games on there , project Scorpio is not just one new console , its an idea of connecting devices under one platform - Xbox live and allowing people to have a choice on what they way play , how they play.

That's my reading from the article anyway , not steam coming Xbox , but working with them to creat a better market for Windows store in the gaming industry.

conanlifts2907d ago

They have a lot of work to do, it's very slow and unresponsive. What i don't understand is the xbox one game store works well. But windows 10 store is hideous. Surely all they need to do is use the xbox store on windows.

Sweendog0072907d ago

That's what project Scorpio is , a new high end console but also a way to bring all Xbox live stuff together , Windows 10 is now part of Xbox brand

I am assuming over the next 6 months the window store will get updated on a regular basis and with the Xbox live play anywhere scheme it should unite Windows 10 gaming side ( not the operating system ) under the one banner Xbox live

darthv722907d ago

Growing pains, it took steam a while to get up to.....steam. It was very clunky at first but eventually it turned things around. heck they even copied achievements from the 360 because there was nothing like that on PC. Windows store is going through growing pains (some would say they have been since GFWL) and with effort and listening to feedback and really trying to make something better of it, the windows store will also get better.

Sweendog0072907d ago

Exactly , but steam learned and I don't think Microsoft want a disaster if they bring out a new console that is aimed to connect every Xbox brand under one roof

All developers work with each other and company's , Microsoft work with Apple on certain things vice Versa , Samsung help apple in supplying certain parts

ScorpiusX2907d ago

Maybe offer both while one learns the ropes and continue to offer both to Scorpio owners .

Sweendog0072907d ago

possible ... highly unlikely , as then it would be whats the point in a gaming console then argument.

i think its more to be with how to contain the store in high capacity and demand across a wider brand and developers. steam had to learn now steam is on thousands of pcs running different operating systems, and macs , even some tablets gets steam

yet they matin control off it and make it appealing to users ... xbox just wants advice and help in building that system for project scorpio

Maximilliam2907d ago

That makes no sense. It's like M$ asking Valve "Yo can you help us make our software better so we can pose a bigger threat to Steam?" I'd show Phil the finger if I was Gaben.

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Fin_The_Human2906d ago (Edited 2906d ago )

Very interesting indeed.

Valve and MS have not been the best of buddies in recent years which is odd sine a lot of steam employees are ex MS employees including lord Gabe.

But I heard the tension was due to the ex CEO Steve Balmmer who was very arrogant person and hard to deal with.

Satya is the total opposite and heard companies like Valve and Apple really lime him and his open minded approach.

Heck Satya even admired that he admired Apple as company because of how well built the Apple products are...something that Steve would never say.

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

lodossrage19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS716h ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Darkegg16h ago

Value of AI and value of humans will both be increased with human-AI complex. Each, by themselves, will not be independently better than the other. Whether AI will ever be independent from humans is the fear question of humans, ironically because of our doing. At this stage, most of the doing is because of humans, not because of AI. AI is doing exactly that by our design, until we have failed ourselves with an AI development that went awry. The biggest take is that humans have only ourselves to blame when things become wrong, and we have to decide what is the ultimate goal with AI we want to accomplish. It would take a person with high morals and high ethics to make right of AI. I would not want businessman to decide what AI should do or what capabilities it can have. AI should be in the hands of people with high moral fiber, or those operating on love, kindness, and compassion.

BlackOni15h ago

AI is SUPPOSED to be used as a tool, not a replacement. It's designed to do two important things artists can take advantage of immediately.

- Make the ideation/reference imaging process much quicker and easier (basically using it as a google search)
- Make mundane and time consuming tasks faster and easier so more time is spent on creation.

Unfortunately, what many have done is used it as a way to replace rather than supplement.

Einhander197212h ago(Edited 12h ago)

CS7

In the ideal world yes.

In the real world where companies have shown little desire to innovate and spent every effort to maximize profits the end result will be the same quality games (if were lucky) made by less people and more AI.

Company Real World: Fires 200 people and makes the same game cheaper using AI and the executives get record bonuses.

Edit:

Lets look at history, specifically auto manufacturing.

In the 70's and 80's the auto unions tried to oppose automation of jobs (robots) stating that they would take peoples jobs. And the people in charge who wanted to make more money said the exact same types of things that are being said about AI. But we can look at history and see that countless types of jobs were in fact replaced by automation, that was of course even compounded upon by computers.

The net effect was that the rich got richer less jobs were needed so wages were forced down by competition for the jobs that were left.

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Number1TailzFan16h ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

senorfartcushion15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

He doesn't, he's just lying. These people lay people off so they can get bonuses. If AI takes jobs, their bonus goes bigger and the workforce goes smaller.

porkChop13h ago

Because he sees AI as a tool to aid development. He wants to use AI to help make bigger and better games in the same timeframe. Other CEOs want to replace devs with AI to cut costs and make lifeless games faster for a quick buck. Strauss has the right idea, this is how AI should be used. To extend and expand the capabilities of devs.

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jambola18h ago

Ceo says stupid thing
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Zeref17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

romulus2317h ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody16h ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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FanimeCon 2024 | Persona / Shin Megami Tensei Cosplay Gathering

The Persona / Shin Megami Tensei cosplay gathering allowed fans of the acclaimed JRPG series to meet up during FanimeCon 2024.

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Can FSR 3 frame generation deliver the 120fps dream on PS5 and Xbox?

Frame generation technology has arrived on consoles, amplifying frame-rates and potentially transforming experiences.

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purple1012d ago

adds between 8.3-15.3 milliseconds of latency on the game they tested, - no thanks

darksky1d 23h ago

Base latency is 130.8ms and frame gen takes that up to 139.1ms. A 7% increase in latency is hardly a deal breaker.

Zenzuu1d 22h ago

That's hardly a deal breaker and not really noticeable. Even the folks at Digital Foundry said so as well.

darthv722d ago

Impressive results... sadly I don't have a 120hz display. I was thinking this technique could increase fps on any game that supports it regardless of the display.

purple1012d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I have a vrr telly in the lounge,

On another point, what if it were the other way around where the developer aims for higher fps, then used something like pssr to make the resolution higher, that might be better?

Any which way, PS5 pro sure looks interesting now, being they have already doubled frame rate, with JUST just this fsr3.0

sagapo1d 21h ago

It’s up to dev’s to implement FSR 3 support tho but most probably will I guess (hope).

Eonjay1d 7h ago

Yes it would increase the framerate but it would add more noticeable latency. The impact of latency goes down the more natural frames produced. So a monitor that can push bast 60 will naturally allow the game to operate much smoother. Add VRR to this and now you have a much more enjoyable experience.

BlackDoomAx1d 23h ago

Can it deliver the 60fps dream?

purple1011d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

no, it delivers approx 80fps.

which is why I say why not target 60fps with this new tech and use the upscaling pssr, (Sonys version of Nvidia's DLSS, that seems so popular in the pc realm)

then we have best of both, better believe ps5pro will be doing all the above.

andy851d 22h ago

Now I've extensively tried it I'm not too fussed about 120 fps. Give me a locked 60 and more details and I'm more than happy

anast1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

120 is a bit slow. My eyes can't look at anything less than 260fps.

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