Here's the game that keeps making E3 attendees sick

Sony's big-name PlayStation VR games are pretty disappointing. One is even making people feel sick to their stomachs.

[M-M]

This has me a little worried for VR as a whole. PSVR is supposed to be the middle point for those who don't want to pay a lot of money for a good/great VR experience. Since PlayStation is a widely known brand, people are expecting it to be "the thing" that drives new users to VR without it being bad(Google Cardboard). Simulator sickness in VR comes down to either frame rate, locomotion, game design, or both. The thing that has me worried about PSVR is the interpolation that happens when converting from 60hz to 90hz or 120hz. On PC, the Vive and Rift need to maintain 90FPS at all times or else it can lead to motion sickness if it drops below that(on the Vive it drops to 45 and interpolates the rest, which isn't good from my experiences with it). I haven't tried the PSVR yet so I won't say for certain, but I think that the simulator sickness people are experiencing mostly has to do with game design. Locomotion is an ongoing thing in VR that doesn't have that definite solution yet.

[Nitrowolf2]

The thing is people get motion sickness even from regular games.

You should expect this to happen, It may be more common with vr since its new.

@"very few"

You know they ran studies on it, and it ranges, but it's estimated 10 to 50 percent of people get motion sickness. Heck I get motion sickness from games like mirror edge, a few fps, and so on. Motion sickness is pretty common

I did say we will see it more in VR thougb

[yomfweeee]

Very few people get motion sickness from a regular game. A majority of people get it from VR games... silly comparison there.

[k2d]

"Here's the game that keeps making E3 attendees sick"

Attendees which several of whom have claimed Morpheus to be their first VR experience, or even having had bad experiences before.

No shit, people.. most people experience nautia their first time in VR. Some people are are just plainly liable to get motion sickness. This is the case with all current VR.

Bottom line is - most people are able to adapt to VR.

[ShinMaster]

@ M-M

Here's what other site's had to say:
http://www.techradar.com/us...
http://www.tomshardware.com...

VR takes some getting used to when you put it on for the first time. It's common with all VR headsets. Some people adjust much quicker.

That said, CNET has been known for being somewhat biased before so I wouldn't put it past them to overblow the issue.

[nix]

Yes... It happens. I got motion sickness from playing TLOU and UC4. I don't know what they did with their engine but i could only play for 1.5 hours per session. I don't get it when i watch it on YouTube.

That way I'm little skeptical about PSVR. But I'll probably pick it up to watch movies. At least I'll get something out of it.

[Randostar]

I know 3 people who can't play fallout 4 because they get extremely motion sick from it.

[donthate]

k2d:

So how do you propose first time users experience VR?

Don't worry, you will feel sick, but keep at it a few times, and eventually it will go away! /s

That is like an instant turn off, and to ask people to further pay $500-600 for that (after games) is just plain insulting. I like VR, I think it will be a big thing, but in the future.

There are a lot of problems with VR, not just VR sickness, but mechanics like movement and so on. This is the exact same problem Kinect had, except Kinect can at least track your body. So far the only real actual mechanic that work is controller + headset in a seated environment.

This is not good advertisement Sony, pull it! Pull it NAOOOW!

[hay]

I know how it goes with the VR. Everyone has that one friend who is heavily hyped for the tech, gotten Oculus dev kit, recommended it to everyone "cuz its so awesome" and then asked them if they want to buy it cause he's selling his.
I'm gonna skip this until its capable of running 8k resolution and somehow using natural light. I've gone near blind from all those LED displays and lightbulbs, not wanna kill my eyesight completely.

[jjb1981]

I also get sick from regular games. Games usually made by Ubisoft. Or is that just their business model? Anywho, some regular games do make me sick 😝

[joeorc]

Ok' 1st of all unlike the OculusRift & HTC vive..PSVR has its refresh rate locked 🔒 to that of the refresh rate of the PSVR's screen..not to that of the game's refresh rate..thats why its Reprojection Is always on.

So every game that is going through output to the PSVR screen has its games own Refresh rate as what it is..so if its 60fps per eye it is still 60fps per eye..the reprojection is locked 🔒 @ a constant 120Fps that is what the refresh rate of the PSVR screen is. So when a game is passing through the reprojection it takes any frame drops and puts them back into the frame😉

It's like the PSVR is the river and its traveling at a constant speed but you have a motor boat with its own speed and any boaters inside iE: Is like a group of dropped. Frames 👈, but instead Reprojection because its always on those frames get pulled back into the boat before they are dropped. But not by the crew , but by the river itself😵

That's why its not upscaling , or any thing like that, the speed of the game is static to that of its native FPS , but with zteprojection it allows the simulation to remain as coherent. In throughput throught the rendering. Fro. Start to finish.

[donthate]

Yeah, except those inserted frames whom are reprojection don't do translational motion, so it will appear like the items are flickering a little bit.

Reprojection is a very cheap computational processing technique to try and fix the deficit, but there is a reason why Oculus and Valve is trying to avoid it. They could have just said 60fps, then we re-project and it would reach a much wider audience with lower PC specs, but there is a reaons why they just went up instead. They didn't want to poison the well, by turning away customers due to bad VR experience and ruin the industry.

[Ashunderfire86]

Dude this is just one game that needs to be tweak. Most of the games at launch are fine with no discomfort like this.

[spoonard]

I think we got ourselves a nervous Nelly on our hands here, folks. lol

[JackVagina]

Theres nothing wrong the the fps. people are getting sick because they are walking in the game but not irl. this causes a dissonance between the player and your character. thats why so many vr games put you in a cockpit.

[Raiden]

I once posted a comment about 6 months back about the trouble I expect from VR, BUT my comments were removed by THIS SITE, now I feel vindicated as what I said is happening, motion sickness is just the beginning next will be eye and brain issues, question yourself, how many hours we spend playing games, we can't spend that time in VR, imagine COD VR, how many hours do gamers spend in that game in one week, sitting too close to TV is meant to cause eye issues, now you have a TV on face. Good luck to you all if you choose VR.

What developers needs to do is create the games with choice, VR MODE, so gamers don't always have to play the game in VR MODE.

[Akasus]

Like many playstation games...

[Casepbx]

Like what?

[Clunkyd]

Don't expect a reply, he/she won't have a legit answer.

[trooper_]

Says the blatant troll.

You guys are too predictable now.

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[Fist4achin]

Don't do it,... Next thing you know your stay at home ma becomes the next internet porn star. You've been warned!

[LastcenuryRob]

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[Casepbx]

It's RE7 if anyone didn't feel like clicking.

[the_dark_one]

you are the real MVP

[extermin8or]

Sure it was motion sickness and not just people getting scared hahaha tbf actually I can see why this is, I played the standard demo and the movement is abut odd I would imagine for a VR headset. Ofc you play RE7 in VR and you are actually insane lol

[Ingram]

Ah yes, this is the guy that tried a hololens and devoted several lines to say it wobbled and he had to adjust it all the time and then proceeded to say that he forgot to use the middle headstrap for it. The same guy that proudly traded a Mega Drive for a few baud modem. That genius. He now comes back with tweets from a couple of pseudonerd girls with plastic glasses as news.

[WelkinCole]

Oh booh hoo. If people think they would be able to play full games like 8+ hrs in VR they are fooling themselves. Who wants to do that in anycase?. I think I would only be able to stomach 2hrs at best for some time. VR games will be between 20-60 for a reason.

[Goldby]

explain endurance races in GT Sport then? those take much longer than an hour to complete. shortest is normally 5 hours

[WelkinCole]

I will not be able to sit for more than 2 hrs with a headset on my head let alone 5. So no I will not use VR for those. Just for the short races which is fine and what I am looking for.

Even with Uncharted for example I can't imagine playing the whole game in VR.

[joeorc]

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👉 Work in progress👈

Is being made to 👀 look like there is a major problem with PSVR..😪

Can the media be anymore transparent ❔

Come on with a headline like that❔
,😁

[Neonridr]

Guys, motion sickness has very little to do with framerates. Don't blame people getting sick because the demo dipped to 59fps or anything like that.

The Rift running at 90fps does not eliminate motion sickness. This has everything to do with people's own bodies and how their brain and eyes interpret something as being real, but their bodies are conflicted with that information because they aren't actually moving themselves. This conflicting information can definitely have ill effects on some users.

VR sickness is not something to joke about. You are going to see A LOT of PSVR users reporting in about how these things make them feel sick. It's just what comes with the territory. Lots of Rift/Vive users are experiencing the same thing. It's hard to describe, but like anything in life, the more you expose yourself to it, the better your body will handle it. My VR legs are almost there as I can play for extended play periods now without feeling sick.

[Fin_The_Human]

This why Sony needs to get the PSVR out at Walmart and game stores so people can try it to see if PSVR is for them and does not get them sick.

Most people I know have not tried VR yet but they are hype about it.

[preciousdeath]

Sickness Simulator VII
But hey, look at the brightside, you can actually make yourself sick and don’t have to fake/lie to get out of school/work!

[cabbitwithscissors]

Great...the author is a pussy that can't keep his lunch down in his stomach and he complains about it. If you can't handle it, don't do it.

Some people get seasick in boats, cars and planes, so he's one of these people, and he complains about it.

[nitrogav]

A similar thing came over me with Dreadhalls on Gear VR. Had to stop playing that one. That's the only one had an issue with though. Everything else has been great. Just can't wait until PSVR though!.

[madpuppy]

VR is bound to make some people sick regardless of how tested and refined the experience is. This article isn't really all that bad, The title is unnecessary, The author could have just as easily titled it positively and mentioned That RE Biohazard still needs refining before it's release date. He was positive about 5 games as well as mentioning that there are 5 plus indie VR games that he didn't name That his colleague Ashley Esqueda tried that were fantastic (probably didn't mention the game names to get us to read her article).

Overall, The worst part of the article is its unfortunate clickbait name.

[Errorist76]

Funny how almost all hands on impressions state the opposite of this stupid article.

[Aenea]

Exactly...

[Kribwalker]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/...

http://www.gamecrate.com/re...

http://technewscapital.com/...

[Aenea]

Have you actually read those?

The first one is actually saying it in a complimentary way.
The second one talks about how the control method combined with VR can make anyone sick, no matter the game or device used
The third is just a headline and 2 pictures and is thus meaningless to me

The problem with this article is that they don't put the blame by the developers but make it out that all Sony VR games are crap. That is the thing I don't like about this article...

[ShadowKnight]

Click bait lol

[Elda]

Lmao! Love my PS4 but no VR for me.

[Bobafret]

Man, you Sony fanboys are truly incapable of ANY criticism of Sony. Half the players could be projectile vomiting and you would tell them they are stupid and to walk it off.

[Aenea]

Tell me what parts you thought were excellent journalism?

[maniacmayhem]

Tell us what parts weren't. Let us guess though, the parts where any thing Sony was criticized?

[Aenea]

@maniac

The parts where they have a sensationalised headline, the first sentence underneath makes it sound like these are Sony's VR games while they are 3rd party but also makes it look like all PSVR games are crap. Journalist not realising that Arkham is just an experience, see it as a "let's see what we can do with VR and see if it works" thing from the developer and that FF15 is as well.

The whole article seems rather negative. He tries to save it in the last paragraph but the damage is already done and the anti-Sony peepz are lapping it up...

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Lol 100% agree

[SCW1982]

I love how the first thing it says is Sony's big name VR games are disappointing. Yeah thats not flame bait right there.

[UncertainCategory]

I only had the chance to play Farpoint at E3 this year. Got to say I was floored at how good the demo was! And it was running on a normal ps4, amazing.

Having said that the Oculus screen is noticeably clearer in VR. But hey it's also like $200 more expensive.

Anyway, to any who has concerns about PSVR , no need to worry, it is an amazing experience

[thisgamer503]

THE FUTURE OF GAMING!!!

[magiciandude]

Yeah I am definitely not getting a PSVR.

[mark3214uk]

i had the same on the oculus dk1 on poorly coded games where the FR was all over the place,some games were fine, resi 7 is still in beta so hopefully this will be fixed by the time it is released

[MaxCompiler]

Leave Watchdogs 2 alone... XD

[AutoCad]

Gotta agree with the article. I tried almost every Vr game and this and farpoimt was pretty awful in that area. No buy for me

[dillhole]

I have the Gear VR and for most games I am absolutely fine - but it's the ones that use both analog sticks on the controller that trigger nausea. Just looking around, flying, jumping etc. all feels great, it's just when you are turning a corner with your right stick instead of your head that feels all wrong. I found horror games like this and also VR Minecraft to be the absolute worst for nausea - and I am not even usually prone to it.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

is this article for complete morons? lol if you get motion sickness from vr, it doesn't matter what hardware, peripheral, or gadget you're using- you're gonna get motion sickness. that's like saying, "here's the boat that's getting people seasick! only this boat though." like, wtf? lol

[Kribwalker]

They didn't get it from other vr games tho

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

nowhere in the article does it say that.

[Kribwalker]

"One is even making people feel sick to their stomachs."

It's in the headline, which they go on to name

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

you don't really think about what you read, do you? lol

[Kribwalker]

Please fill me in on what I'm missing here. They stated in the title "the one game making everyone sick" then they say it again one game, then they say they get nauseous from resident evil vr and u are calling them idiots for that...

[frostypants]

This tool bag again? This guy is the kind of moron who would drop a Cheerio and react by throwing his whole bowl of cereal at the wall. He's a dolt.

[pyroxxx]

I am pretty sure some people can adapt,.. and some cannot,.. It is not for everybody to begin with,.. It is like sea sickness,.. Some people puke for months , some are ill for few days and get used to it quicker. I did hear many people had problems with resi 7,.. because how the movement works,.. but we will see.

[Nodoze]

THIS issue (motion sickness) will impact a significant number of potential customers. If the product/games are making people physically sick, that is pretty significant. I have played bad games before but never ones that have made me puke. As a point of note this issue is not isolated to the PSVR. It happens to people using Occulus as well. I think it is pretty signifcant detriment that will prevent wide spread adoption of this technology.

[HawaiianDreads]

Nature of the beast when it comes to VR. Some people will be able to handle it from the get go and others won't. All I can say is experience it yourself instead of listening to people on the internet because "who knows" you may be able to handle it without any issue.

Edit: Though people may find my reason stupid, just the way I was raised. Parents always told me to try something out before I start bitching about it.

[Iceball2000]

When ever your feeling weird just pause the game and close your eyes and breath slowly... Duh!

[Kosic]

I got a gear vr and tested minecraft vr. Felt sick from the trick it plays on your system. It's something you need to train your body to understand that it's a game motion and not your body.

This was the reason why I didn't pre order a psvr. It's a lot of money for a tester into gaming vr and something that could be exciting to play but a sickness feeling that follows would disappoint.

[SmokingMonkey]

"Sony's big-name PlayStation VR games are pretty disappointing"

Here's one Capcom is making that is making people sick, so PSVR is bad!

So cringey....it's sad.

Is RIGS making people sick, cause that game looks sick!

Plus dismissing new tech like this is unprofessional IMO.

[Mr_Luke]

Bah, CNET... if this is true and "dozen of journalists" felt the same, why are these crybabies the only ones whining about that?

[formanbradley]

You guys can beta test this for me at launch.

[SojournUK]

Maybe it's a lady thing, can't help but notice the three tweets were all from women, maybe it's the inherent lack of spacial awareness ladies have that makes them sick in VR

[bluebenjamin]

This is probally why Neo is coming

[corroios]

VR is gonna be cool. Of course it will not be for everyone, but i think it will be something fresh for videogaming. Its gonna be a very good end of year.

[Jurat]

Nothing to be concerned about; new tech will always having teething troubles and VR can be a jarring experience the first time. Remember when 3DS launched and all the news outlets complained the effect was causing headaches and making people sick? Same principle here. PSVR will rock. as someone who owns a few headsets, I'm looking forward to having a console based HMD in my living room.

[SuperbVillain]

game looks like shit anyway

[King_Lothric]

PSVR is so far away 😔. I want it now.

[its_JEFF]

been hearing the same thing. They seem to be using a control scheme that is different from other VR games... and it's not working out for them. I'm guessing a control scheme change will happen in the near future.

[Gamist2dot0]

So the article is about the game and some of the people here blame VR... I should blame my PC because I got dizzy from playing Octodad.. smh.

[maybelovehate]

Most VR games that have any locomotion make me sick unless there is a cockpit of some sort. Not sure how they get around that.

[XboxInnovation]

Here is the problem. When the body thinks it's moving but it's not moving that's when you get motion sickness. The only way to avoid this is if you actually move along with the motions. And who the hell is going to want to exercise when playing a game? No one. Therefore VR is an automatic bust. Well, bust I mean in the long run, it won't last. Sony may actually do well just like the Wii did well but then died off.

[masteroftheclaw]

I'm surprised to see others report the same nausea issues that I had after trying RE in VR. Until now, I basically thought it was all on me. In general, video games rarely get me motion sick, and I have already spent a fair amount of time with Gear VR and Oculus Rift.

Played a super fast-paced game on HTC Vive recently (Raw Data) and that didn't get me motion sick at all. I feel like the problem with RE (at least for some of us) is the speed of the camera movement. Luckily that is something which should be an easy fix. That's my hope!

[no_more_heroes]

Just came back from demoing PSVR at Best Buy. It was...good enough to be effective. The demo was Ocean Descent, which was basically my worst nightmare. and freaked me the f*** out...

Now that I'm settled and coherent again, thinking back on what I saw...the framerate was smooth, but graphically it was definitely not top tier. I suspect that at least part of that may be because it was Ocean Descent and not a AAA VR produciton. No adverse physical effects though, unless I just didn't play it long enough.

It actually makes me really wanna see Oculus Rift now, since that's supposed to be of higher quality.

[Fist4achin]

Funny thing is that when I first started playing the original portal, it used to make me nauseous. I don't have that problem anymore thank goodness.

[Fist4achin]

I thought they were going to say The Last Guardian after all these years...

[Babadook7]

This is the exception to psvr demo's.

[TeamLeaptrade]

I have a feeling the motion sickness will be something temporary and players will have to eventually get used to it. We all have to realize this is new and once people start to use it and play around with it, they will slowly ease their way into getting used to it.

[Garethvk]

I do not get motion sick and have had no issues with PSVR. Oculus has bothered me I played an underwater game at E3 and they could not get the clarity set. The other was a W.W. II fighter game and turns did get unsettling.

[PizzaSteve]

I said it then, I will say it now, and I will keep saying it in the future, VR is a gimmick. It may be fun for a while but I'm giving it at least 2 years of hype, then the hype will fad away.

[Smokingunz]

That's to be expected, it's different from how the 3ds where giving people headaches, some people will have them some people won't, everyone's body is different and will react accordingly. Capcom as well as other studios have time to iron out the problem.

[hahaha]

This PlayStation VR is sick!

[trollpsg]

face it the ps4 as it is is not powerful enough for vr get a pc and get over it

[1nsomniac]

This site is so full of cry babies it's unreal. Get a grip & grow up. People can make a genuine critique without your ridiculously childish obsession for Sony being damaged.

[2cents]

Still early days. Im sure the kinks will be ironed out before release.

Or maybe the special editions will come with an exclusive branded sick bag :)

[CannonB8]

I read pretty much everything coming out of E3 (I own all three consoles) and never heard or read anything about games giving people motion sickness. There was some concern a few months ago about it, but it was aimed at all three platforms (Vive, Oculus and PSVR).
To single out PSVR just because, arguably, it's the most mainstream is a bit unfair. Motion sickness has long been an unfortunate by-product of VR, not just PSVR.

[Zorkaz]

There are things the developpers can do about sim sickness, but in the end, it comes down to the fact that it's the possibility of people getting dizzy against some of the core game mechanics. What I'm tryna say is unless people are willing to crawl around the room and constantly bang into walls, lots of the key points of motion sickness can't be resolved right now. What can be resolved like M-M has said is the frame rate, but even that's not going to completely solve the problem. The truth is that these are still rather early days for VR, and many issues are yet to be resolved. Maybe in the future we'll have a pad that moves under our feet so that we can stay in the same place. And even if we can sort out all of this, it brings up the question: do we want games to be fully VR in the first place. I mean imagine playing the new Outlast with an Oculus, now imagine doing that while you move around and crouch. It won't be real life level, but it'll be scarily close. Now imagine that with photorealistic graphics, and where you can use your hands. A jumpscare is bad when you're looking at a screen, so like this, it just becomes unenjoyable. This is only really true for horror games, and there are many fun experiences (like Batman) to be had, but it goes to show that at some point in the future, the question will inevitably be raised.

[GribbleGrunger]

That's really odd because I've been reading stacks of positive responses with many people saying they're now interested in PSVR. Perhaps some people have their filter set to 'narrow'.

[Dyldog69]

Avoid vr. Hype

[Exvalos]

I really get tired of hearing about people whining over virtual sickness, I've never once felt anything other then excitement when I play VR, I just did a high speed roller coaster on my vr gear and I felt nothing but excitement.