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Spencer: XB1&PS4 Are In The Same Performance Ballpark As Neo&Scorpio, Developers Will Target Them

Phil Spencer said that XB1&PS4 are still in the same performance ballpark of Neo&Scorpio, so developers will naturally target them with their games.

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Alexious3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

It's a pity, but it is also very much understandable. After all, if they left behind all those users the budget of games would likely decrease as well, so it's not all bad.

darthv723290d ago

PS4 and XB1 are much closer in specs than any two platforms before. No doubt the Neo and Scorpio would be somewhere close as well. not sure if i could tell the difference between 4.2tf of power and 6tf because I am not into that sort of thing. Just so long as both are pumping out great games is all I care about.

VenomUK3290d ago

Considering he has just revealed two new Xbox consoles, Phil Spencer is spending an awful lot of time talking about PlayStation. He needs to stop with the PR spin about how the PS4 has fewer exclusives, or how the Neo is weak in comparison to the Scorpio. Phil Spencer should just focus on trying to make sure his team get their ship back on course.

donthate3290d ago

In percentage, the power differential between Scorpio and Neo is about the same as XB1 and PS4. The actual amount though, dwarfs.

Neo is roughly twice the processing power of PS4, but the gap between Neo and Scorpio is an entire PS4 tucked in between.

If you take that power and put it into 1080p, it would be massive difference. If you take that power and put it mostly into resolution and frame rate, the difference isn't going to be that big. HDR will likely have a bigger effect, which both consoles are going to support.

So how different it will be, is dependent on how developers are willing to tune their software i.e. by resolution or by console?

Concertoine3290d ago

@darth

I disagree, the 360 and PS3 were much closer than the 8th gen consoles. There were a lot of games on both platforms that nearly matched each other. The 360 and ps3 both had distinct advantages in certain areas whereas the xbone only has a slightly better cpu that rarely makes a difference.

ThanatosDMC3290d ago

The guy sure like to talk about Sony's next gen console when there's no concrete info about it.

ULTp0ltergeist3290d ago

@darthv72
I doubt you'll tell the difference between Neo and Scorpio playing full HD because they both will handle it. We'll start seeing the difference in power which is significant by 2Tflops when they play 4k games, IF Neo can handle native 4k or upscaled 4k at stable frame rates. Phil has already stated Scorpio is designed specifically with 4k gaming in mind which they are betting 4k TVs will be much cheaper by then. Heck gaming industry influences the TV makret alot btw.

GameNameFame3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

@Darth

Most games do not run 1080P on Xbox.

Almost all games 99% runs 1080P on PS4.

@donthate

It is so hilarious to change tune...

When Xbox was behind, it didnt matter. Now you think Xbox Scorpio has and edge, it suddenly matters.

Well too bad, there isnt much reason own Scorpio. People are already preferring to buy PC and just play all Xbox games.

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xfiles20993290d ago

So basically Between the Scorpio and Neo games will look the same and run the same Unless you have a 4k television

ShadowKnight3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

It will look and run the same on both consoles regardless of 4K. Its gonna really come down to the first party developers. The Xbox one and PS4 install base is gonna stop these powerful consoles from reaching there potential. They can't leave behind the 60 million users

Fatal-Aim3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

But the teraflops is the answer

LoL

Festano3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

So these old-ass consoles will be limiting us for years to come. How sad...

Aloy-Boyfriend3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

Developers should make the games for PS4 and Xbox One, then port them over to Neo and Scorpio and use the remaining power to push graphics and framerate further. That'd eb alright. Everyone gets to play the same game but at different specs. Everyone gets what they pay for

If Neo and Scorpio version won' take advantage of their power, what's the point then?

Eidolon3290d ago

My thoughts from the beginning, pointless if developers can't take advantage, would only appeal to 4K owners. The problem he's saying is that Devs won't build for the Neo/Scorpio, and instead build for PS4/Xb1 and then port/tweak it for the Neo/Scorpio for improved framerate/graphics. The games that would be built for the Neo/Scorpio from the ground up instead would look better, no doubt.

Omnislashver363290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

Well Neo is just over 2x as powerful as PS4, so it's obvious NEO mode will be doubling framerate for many games. Other games like Battlefield/Battlefront/Parago n/FFXV will get an increase from 900p to 1080p.

I actually prefer 30fps for narrative driven games and only prefer 60fps for FPS games, so I'm hoping more games stay at 30fps and increase graphics. Or, what I might do, is keep my NEO on 1080i to keep my story-based games at 30fps, and just buy an Xbox Scorpio and make that my FPS box for 60fps games.

@Disagrees
I have my reasoning in preferring 30fps on narrative driven games, you on the otherhand, are faceless cowards.

Hold_It3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

I'd imagine it'd be bragging rights, until they both officially leave X1 and PS4 in the dust.

NirvanaInChains3290d ago

Thats what they are doing...and thats how it is now if you buy any multi plat game you can play it on ultra settings on a good pc. Nothing new. Sounds like your just use to the setting being on low/medium Due to playing console versions. No porting needed as all games currently out are THAT much better on a nice pc. Just youtube any game out now on pc ultra setting and you will see what scorpio and neo can do. Still the same game just nicer graphics, Effects ect.

_-EDMIX-_3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

"Developers should make the games for PS4 and Xbox One, then port them over to Neo and Scorpio"

No.

They will not be ports. You don't get different versions of PC games, you get 1 version and it runs on many different set ups, that is what PS4.5 and Scorpio are. Upgraded versions of the same platforms that play the same games but better.

I assume they will be using it to push better resolution and frame likely from their PC builds.

"If Neo and Scorpio version won' take advantage of their power, what's the point then?"

Performance. Its not to EXCLUSIVELY use the systems power to make a title, it is to use the power remaining to increase certain features.

When a GTX 1080 comes out, do you see games exclusively taking "advantage" of it? No developer is just going to say its GTX 1080 exclusive or anything like that. They will support it in the respect that their games can run on it, but NOT in the respect that is made for that exact GPU and only for it as it again makes very little sense.

How many do you think own high end GPUs? Well how many do you think will even own such high end consoles? Maybe not enough for a company to even do such a thing.

Upscaling to 4k and native 1080 with high frames is good enough, I don't expect any company making some huge exclusive for one or the other.

Consider what I stated about PC, do you know of a developer that is making a title that requires a GTX 1080 just to run?

The appeal is the increased performance, they won't exclusively create and render only for such devices because the actually don't on PC. Performance is good enough for most as I again don't recall it working that way with PC with most developers.

stuna13290d ago

Serious question to you or anyone that can possibly answer.

I always hear about developing for the lowest denominator and porting so that consoles and PC's can have and in a lot of regards take advantage of similar settings. My question is knowing most PC's and game engines have the ability to scale a game and its assets, for multiplatform games! Why is it so hard to downscale a game and its assets From the high end PC's that these games are made on to take advantage of lower end PC's and consoles alike, and still be able to exploit everything that these machines below it can offer at that point in time.

I understand things need to be optimized.

freshslicepizza3290d ago

i imagine as time goes by some games will be unplayable on the xbox one, then later on the xbox scorpio and so on. the pc does not fall behind the consoles even though they don't get regular generation gaps like they do. what does happen is the older hardware just ends up running the game so poorly people are pretty much forced to upgrade at that point. i expect the same thing will now happen on consoles, at least the xbox.

same dilemma with cellphones and tablets, there comes a point people pretty much need to upgrade if they want to keep up with the latest apps, games and even operating systems.

Bruh3290d ago

Or you could out-source the PS4/One ports and have the main developers work on the Neo and Scorpio versions. Just matters on how much 3rd party developers want to spend on production, along with the time in production as well.

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ninjazfistz3290d ago

Its best when they develop for PC then just downgrade the settings until console can handle them (resolution, special effects, textures, aliasing, etc)

Letthewookiewin3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

It's going to be the same situation as what the remasters offer. From PS3/360 to the HD remaster on PS4/X1. Until devs start ditching the X1 & PS4 we won't see massive differences. For instance switching a game on the PC from medium settings to High. The biggest thing these new systems will offer is better VR fidelity. And eventually exclusive games for Neo and Scorpio.

GTgamer3290d ago

Do you know how messed up it would be if they left early adopters behind -_-

_-EDMIX-_3290d ago

The new skus were never made to be new platforms ie exclusives, their own market etc.

frostypants3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

Are old-ass PCs limiting games that can also run on them?

iTechHeads3290d ago

How is that sad? How are these consoles old? They came out in 2013, not even 3 years old yet.

donthate3290d ago

They will limit you for 3-4 years or so, and then Sony/MS restarts another mid-cycle upgrade replacing XB1/PS4, and then Neo/Scorpio will be the limiting factor. The full cycle is likely to be around 5-7years per console.

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xfiles20993290d ago

All the extra power the Scorpio has is for 4k gaming and if you do not have a 4k Television you will not notice a difference between Scorpio and NEO. Both will be able to target 1080p 60 with no problems,Scorpio will be able to target 4k a bit easier NEO may have to upscale to 4k but without a 4k Television you will not be able to see a difference So you have to ask yourself is the Scorpio really worth it to you if the NEO does the same thing at a cheaper price.

Sunny_D3290d ago

Man, see I Always knew these mid gen upgraded consoles was a lot of quack. If you're going to improve specs of a console then wait for NEXT GEN.

Brandnewfan6103290d ago

This mindset of graphics over gameplay is just stupid. Ya'll act like it's the end of the world if a game doesn't look up to your standards graphically. What the hell did ya'll play back in the day. Seriously...

JackBNimble3290d ago

Old ass consoles ? Lol , these consoles have only been in the market for 2years 8 months . Old ass consoles, what the f*ck are you talking about.

Playable_Gamez3290d ago

Old consoles? They only been out for 3 years. They are still babies.

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Mithan3290d ago

The problem is that even with these new specs, 4k wont run very well, it will be the same mixed performance that 1080p today on the PS4 and Xbox One, which barely run 1080p in most games at a good frame rate.

I own a 980 Ti, it runs 1440p very well, but there are a few games that get a little clunky at that Resolution, but it sucks at 4K, unless you like 30fps or less, or worse yet, turning down graphics settings so it looks like Quake 2, which I hate.

The new consoles will not match the graphics performance of a 980 Ti, which is fine, but it gives us a prelude of what we can expect at 4K.

There is WAY too much fuss put on resolution, and not enough put on overall graphics quality (texture resolution, shaders, effects, etc, etc). Look at the PS4 version of Fallout 4, they took the fog out to increase performance and a lot of people were pissed, because it affects the look of the game.

I would prefer another 4 years of GREAT 1080p performance with incredible graphics, than cutting down graphics fidelity, so we can have 4K.

So much is going to be sacrificed so the Marketing Departments can have the 4K Check Box filled.

It is sad.

My view is that 4K gaming is probably 2 generations away, which probably puts it at 2018 or 2019 with these new "constant upgrade cycles" that Sony and Microsoft are now following.

We will see.

Alexious3290d ago

I have a 980Ti SLI and I agree with you, but don't forget that consoles can squeeze a lot more power than any GPU ever will, even with DirectX 12.

Just think that the Xbox One has a mere 1.3 TFLOPS and is capable of doing things like Gears of War 4. By comparison, the GTX 970 has over 3X TFLOPS...But you're right that obviously the consoles will still push 4K gaming at medium graphics settings. Ultra settings will remain only for high-end PC, as usual.

Eidolon3290d ago

That's why 4K will be still an option, I'll still be 1080P gaming. With Neo, they plan on improving 1080p gaming. Also, 4K is a setting in itself, haven't played on a 4K screen but woudln't it depend on how good 1080p ultra graphics looks on your screen vs 4K and medium. I know playing 720p on some games on my 1080p TV hurts my eyes(not literally).

Zeref3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

NEO probably wont be able to do 4k60fps if it launches this year. but Scorpio on the other hand is coming out late next year. They can definitely build a true 4k60fps console by then,

@below
You're probably the same guys that said 6tflops Xbox isn't true.

Pandamobile3290d ago

4k60 isn't likely unless you're rendering simplistic graphics.

Take a look at what the GTX 980/1070 can do in 4k benchmarks. That's about where Scorpio will be.

Mithan3290d ago

No, they can't, unless your playing Xbox 360 quality games.

Sunny_D3290d ago

Panda is right. He's been a PC gamer and what he said is basically what I knew of these new consoles. They will be half assed.

Eldyraen3290d ago

True as have a 980ti too but consoles don't run games on Ultra so 4K is more reasonable and possible at 30-60 quite regularly at console level graphics. Worst case scenario is we probably get more 1440p games up scaled to 4K which is still a big improvement for many games (vegetation especially sees big benefits in resolution differences as movement and small details really benefit similar to better AA).

Some games will simply be 1080/60 and Ultra as 989ti (which is close to what Scorpio is from sound of it) as it spits those games out easily. Still a big improvement in my book. Upscaled 4K and what these new consoles can push can be a great option. 4K native now and again for some though.

Bigpappy3290d ago

There is a reason they are releasing late next year and not this year like the Neo.

freshslicepizza3290d ago

hopefully the new scorpio will allow some options so you can get better performance if you dont want to play in 4k.

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Phil323290d ago

Not really interested in these newer consoles. I think I'll just go with the OG models.

Alexious3290d ago

Understandable. That's why they're not going to be discontinued for many years yet, the new consoles are for higher end consumers which are a minority.

Phil323290d ago

Yeah, I'm honestly totally ignorant about terraflops and all that technical stuff. Sometimes it's fun being dumb! hehe

ninjazfistz3290d ago (Edited 3290d ago )

Well trust me you don't want the OG ps4. This thing is loud and hot. Hopefully you buy the latest revision that is cooler or just build a PC/wait for nx

Sunny_D3290d ago

Why do act like a personal anecdote means you're speaking for everyone? I have a OG for a few years and Mine still runs perfectly fine even when I play Uncharted for hours.

one2thr3290d ago

@ninja

Clean your system.

T8 or T9, and Philips head screw drivers.

Q-Tips

1 can of compressed air or air compressor and a vacuum cleaner.

This task shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to complete, when finished your PS4 will sound like a brand new one.

(Well mine does)

JackBNimble3290d ago

I must be one of the lucky ones then , because my ps4 is pretty damn quiet .

JackBNimble3290d ago

One2thr
I would agree with everything until you mentioned the vacuum clean. Never ever use a vacuum on any of your electronic devices .

ninjazfistz3290d ago

@one2thr Good advice. Agree vote for you. I haven't disassembled mine since launch day. The person who disagreed with you probably also has a loud ps4 lol

one2thr3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

@Jack

With that mind set, no one should ever use an air compressor, seeing that it can sometimes spit out condensated water on to a water sensitive electronic device.

A can of compressed air can also spit out super cold fluid, on to an electronic device.

Each item has there own individual threats to electronics, that can easily be avoid with small precautions.

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i3eyond the Circle3290d ago

I know there's people out their just itching to raid the comments of side by side comparisons and DF analysis'

Holiday 2017 is going to be a nerd rage filled time. I think I may just not comment on here at that time lol.

SaveFerris3290d ago

PC vs Scorpio vs Neo vs Xbox One S vs PS4 vs Xbox One. Can't wait /s

iTechHeads3290d ago

Xbox One S = Xbox One
Same specs, same performance, same power, same everything.

It's just a slimmer box.

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Yoshida claims PS believes Xbox is their only competitor, truth is they don’t have one any more

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Terry_B18h ago

True, they have pretty different audiences..and some People just have both at home or a PS and a PC that emulates more or less everything from Nintendo.

Knightofelemia16h ago

Xbox hasn't been a competitor since the XB360. Last generation and this generation Sony has been running circles around Xbox. As for Sony vs Nintendo Sony runs circles yes but I don't really see Nintendo as competition. Nintendo does their own thing and it works.

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Lightning7712h ago

Details are important. Console sales yes. Overall games Xbox seems to be doing fairly well in that department.

LoveSpuds52m ago(Edited 51m ago)

MS were doing so well that they had to start selling their games on their main competitors system which in turn results in around 30% of each sale going to Sony as the platform holder.

I do think tjat MS' fortunes will improve now that they are actually selling games rather than giving them away for pennies on the dollar.

Something that occurs to me is that the more success MS published games have elsewhere, the more stark it will become that selling games is much more profitable than renting them. If that becomes highly noticable, I wonder what the shareholders (who ultimately run the show) will make of a service which has stagnated for years?

drivxr16h ago

Console wars are over.

Eventually, everyone else will catch up to this fact.

attilayavuzer15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

I think it's all PS fans have left at this point. Console wars were always a competition for fourth place behind Nintendo, PC and mobile. If Xbox evaporates into a hybrid virtual platform, then PS will be perennially left in last place.

Christopher15h ago

Strange, I recall all those FCC documents and witness testimonies saying the exact opposite... Guess Microsoft doesn't know what it's talking about?

PanicMechanic3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Great analysis. Just joking.

Pretending like companies give a f about where they “rank” against each other is just super retarded. This isn’t the World Cup.

Tell me, how does “PC” compete against a brand like PlayStation? It just doesn’t make sense at all. What you just said, is complete and utter nonsense

Destiny108016h ago

microsoft wanted to crush sony into dust and they had the money to do it, but with such weak leadership it was always going to fail

Reaper22_15h ago

Had the money? They still have the money but the industry has changed since xbox 360. Microsoft is the number one publisher in gaming. I'd hardly call that failing.

IRetrouk14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

The industry hasn't changed though, just ms, Microsoft was the no1 publisher for a month in december 2024, the actual no1 for fy2024 was tencent if game sales are all that's being counted.

Profchaos14h ago

Money doesn't mean you'll be successful large corporations have entered and failed before like Nec

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The score for the first Plants Vs Zombies is such great, iconic music that it has a timeless quality. Not quite the level of Minecraft, but wonderful in its own right.

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