PSU looks into whether Sony should position PS4 Neo as a VR console, with the base PS4 model restricted to traditional gaming?
My opinion: this article is as poor as the rest with rumor and speculation. If you're going to have an opinion with journalistic intentions, why not seek out the facts and bring it to us rather than more speculation and rumors? Not one site is determined to seek out and present the truth.It also doesn't make sense to position this rumored console for VR when Sony put out PSVR preorders for the PS4. That happens to play VR just fine. What other VR console is PS4 being compared against to seem weak? Sony has commented "we don't comment on rumor and speculation." If Sony was rumored to be controlled by space aliens, should Sony comment on the rumor? Why bother? When and if they have something to show to the game industry, they will. Saying **and while Sony isn't in any way required to provide a response it would certainly give some clarity.**basic translation: they don't have to but they should... Huh? They don't have to. Point blank. If neo exists, and cool guy Darren walks into a store and sees two consoles, you ask him point blank "do you have a 4K TV? No? Then here's the PS4. As for PS4 power, no one is complaining except the graphics whores. When they should be complaining about poorly made, unoptimized game code and broken games and not buy them. And push reviewers and game sites to tell the truth and not give free passes to broken games. **Is the current system behind the technological curve, lacking in performance, and dreadfully underpowered? Yes**....COMPARED TO WHAT? A cellphone? A tablet? A $300 PC? Consoles were never trying to "keep up" with PCs. Only graphics whores expect them to. Just look at the whores downplaying Ready at Dawn's new game. How come they are not downloading the game the former drive club developers are making called Filthy Lucre? Be consistent in your whoring. Long story short, PS4 is powerful. It can do VR. Neo is unnecessary and go find the facts and stop all this speculation.
These are the REAL complaints we should be hearing - another great comment. ------- "It also doesn't make sense to position this rumored console for VR when Sony put out PSVR preorders for the PS4. That happens to play VR just fine. What other VR console is PS4 being compared against to seem weak?" OK.... so I've been away from here for a short while, but that article with the developer talking about VR on the current PS4 being "truly awful" - can you let me know, did we have the same obvious concern trolls trying their very best to downplay VR on the currently available PS4? I mean it's obvious that guy was talking nonsense, as soon as the words came out of his mouth, since hands-on impressions for VR and its games on the current PS4 have been more than "fine", but overwhelmingly positive. The disconnect is clear.
lol... denial! PS VR on PS4 may or may not be good, but denying it won't change what it is. For some it might be acceptable, and for others it might not be. So let's just say it as it is, PS VR is the bare minimum of what VR experience should be and implements a bunch of band aids to get there. Sony recognizes this and is now pushing PS4k/Neo. It is coming. I think the disconnect is pretty clear, especially when PS4k/Neo is coming. It is a dang good confirmation and no co-incidence it is coming this holiday. Wait two months and it will all be true.
@ donthate Sony is not new to the hardware business , they have been around quite along time now. Do you really think that they would mass produce the psvr, put it on sale for pre-ordered for the ps4 at bare minimum specs or experience with out mentioning that you will need the ps4k or neo to get the full potential out of it ? You must really think Sony is stupid, because that would most definitely full under false advertisement and would be subject to a class action law suit . Not only that but having to buy a psvr and a neo to get an adequate preformance out of it ,puts psvr more expensive then any other VR on the market , and sony needs to sell their product . If the Neo is real , and I think it just maybe , it is not going to be that magic upgrade that you think it is. Secret sauce sound familiar . Why would sony upgrade the fastest selling console in history with a 20 million lead on second place ? There is definitely something that you don't know , and if you thought about it for a minute you may realize sony does more then gaming . And neo may just be a 4k blu-ray and UHD upgrade with a slight power boost for 4k blu-ray preformance . If sony can push that format in the ps4 you bet it would sell consoles and that theory is more sound then a mid gen upgrade for the leading console that is out selling the closet competition by 20 million units.
all of this sounds like some people don't like the idea they may have a weaker ps4 than others and want the new neo but just don't want to pay for it. you also have to remember sony also pushes video and wants 4k out there. the ps4 currently does not support ultra hd disks, this new system will rectify that. sony doesn't want to wait another 3 o4 4 years for the ps5 to push 4k ultra hd. we also know sony suffers from superiority complex. they don't want to have an inferior vr system out there that can barely handle vr compared to what the other two offer and rumor has it amd is upgrading the chips and sony may have a hard time keeping the same design. sounds like ps4 neo will replace the original ps4. sony is also not stupid enough to allow ps4 neo exclusive games so i'm not sure why current ps4 onwers are worried other than what i said earlier, they don't like the idea their ps4 is now not as good as the new one.
@ donthate Saying "lol... denial!" proves nothing and doesn't extinguish the majority of positive PSVR impressions that have been doing the rounds for many, many months. PSVR will have its limitations just like any and every consoles on the market ever has. PS4K will alleviate some of the limitations for those that want it. Yet, the PSVR and its games you buy in October for you current PS4 will play just like the same games that people have been playing for months in demo form and saying lots of great things about. There has also been absolutely ZERO confirmation that PS4K is coming this holiday. The lack of information from Sony up until E3 pretty much confirms it's a no show until Spring of 2017 at the earliest. But that's just my personal speculation, just like your attempt at mocking of me for being "in denial" is just your own personal opinion. Wait a few days and you might get confirmation that completely demolishes your confidence in a PS4K coming this year. And what if Sony nor Microsoft say absolutely anything about their rumoured iterative consoles this E3? ------- @ moldybread No you're just here to try and paint something that nobody ever said, to project negativity onto a certain fanbase. Everybody interested in technology and gaming should want more power when it's on offer to them at a reasonable cost. That is just about it. "we also know sony suffers from superiority complex" Christ. Okay moldy, okay... You're basically telling us that Sony has the absolutely best products out there in every single category compared to its competitors, and when they don't they will immediately spend more money than its worth having better products than every other corporation in the business to make sure they aren't inferior? You've gone mad. Even with an incremental power upgrade, PSVR is not touching the HTC Vive. Now that is not complex! And as usual.... you are putting words in other people's (read: Sony fans) mouths. Worried? You should see how worried some people are about Sony having the most powerful console, that they are now hyping up a so far non-existent Scorpio, going all-in with a rumour, worried enough that it might not be true to convince themselves that it's real, despite being the same folks that have been downplaying power differences AND the important of having more of it, all generation so far. Observe the Xbox community on Twitter. On the flip side, Sony fans have been talking about power being important enough to be consistent when more is coming, and wanting it.
@DigitalRaptor this isn't about a certain 'fanbase' because even xbox fans may not like the idea of a more powerful xbox because some of them also don't want an inferior system around the corner. that's life since technology doesn't stand still but for consoles it usually does for an average of 5 or 6 years. but that looks like it's about to change even though both ms and sony will not comment. just because you detest the xbopx community doesn't mean they are actually quite different from another. what you fail to see time and again because of your narrow views and loyalty to sony is xbox and sony fans at the end of the day are gamers but you want to make them seem worlds apart because this feeds into your whole console warz mentality which you seem to enjoy supporting. this generation has been underwhelming as far as power goes when they are already struggling to hit 1080p. i don't want to see consoles holding back technology because of their popularity and with vr putting even more pressure on the hardware it's no wonder they are both looking at revamping their current hardware sooner rather than later. we already know games like driveclub have had to make concessions to handle vr. this is why i think the new gt sport doesn't look as good as it could because they are going to have vr support on that game as well. microsoft's xbox one can't even handle oculus rift properly and the current system is kind of a band-aid solution. the rumored scorpio would handle it fine. does microsoft want to wait another 3 years for a whole new xbox to get into vr? who knows but they have commented on future backwards compatability which is why i am not worried about consoles becoming almost like pc upgrades.
Bravo good sir. Bravo.
I agree with most of what you said but since Dreamcast consoles have tried taking on PCs and with some success. Dreamcast Shenmue looked better than anything on PC at the time. Original Xbox was a PC with a custom OS and custom connectors for USB ports for the controllers. It even used a Geforce 3 based GPU. PS3 and 360 were on par with high end PCs at the time for a good 2-3 years. PS4 and XBO basically use PC parts but have reverted back to the era when consoles were far less powerful form the start. PS4 is a pretty low end machine but I agree that games look plenty good on it.
PSVR is compatible with both PS4 and the upcoming Neo. That's what gives Sony the advantage over their competitors. They have a potential 40 million install base that supports VR.
That is definitely an advantage, but a minor advantage. I think most consumers that bought a PS4 where price sensitive customers that responds to $50 price drops and bundled games/accessories and gift cards to make the purchase. I don't think they will be buying a VR headset for $500 i.e. that cost more than their console, barely any games and questionable content. On top of this, Sony is now releasing PS4k/Neo basically admitting PS4 isn't really up to snuff. However, I believe Sony is doing the right move by introducing PS4k/Neo at 4Tflops. Why? Because now you are aiming towards PC gamers that might have purchased a PC + Vive/Rift, and see that the experience is very close. Basically Sony gets the low end market (however little it is), and the high end market (to an extent). That is a good business strategy and sensible in my opinion especially at the launch of the headset.
4teraflops really can't run much games on PC on high settings.
Yes it is.It is the one,and i'll buy it day 1.And it will sell like crazy.Bring on the dislikes idgaf, i will buy it and millions of others will too.People are going to convert once they see gow 4 and tlou 2 on the neo.
Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead...only try to realize the truth.
There is no spoon. Mind blown.
No way ps4 can play AAA vr games in good quality and here comes the new ps4k. If u ok with indie vr games u can stuck with the original. It's relative easy... 1.84 tf and crap cpu don't have the power for real vr... common guys there a lot of games only with 900p or 1080p/30 fps... for vr u need min 90 fps
And what quality is that? Is GT Sport an Indy game? Is Eve Valkyrie? Is Rigs? How about Battlezone? Ace Combat? Does London Heist look like say Minecraft? No? Are you doing research and seeing what you're saying is true? And you've played these games to know? Including the ones not announced? What is REAL VR? Do you even know? Are you a gamer who plays games or graphics? Are you a graphics whore? PSVR does 90fps and 120fps. Are you researching? Or just BSing us with an opinion? How about looking for facts. If a cellphone can do VR, I would think the PS4 is more than capable of doing VR. Come back to reality.
Hahaha please stop talking shit... If u ok with smartphone vr u can stuck with ps. You mean quality like this ? https://youtu.be/rTWZeBu4uL... Or this https://youtu.be/g2Ra24FLgz... That's from graphical point indie quality. I don't say psvr it's bad. Only the ps4 lack of power is bad. U will understand what i mean with the neo. Or u think its only business, pc need high specs for real vr?! I don't need indie vr games. Will wait for neo and AAA vr games. Sorry but i don't pay 500-600 bucks for shitty indie vr. But that's only my opinion. U can make with your money what ever u want.
Have yourself seen these games? They are massively downgraded, and the physics simulation is approaching Wii level from has been shown. I can deal with lower graphics, and I think VR is cool, but what we are getting served isn't the proper AAA experience for sure. We are getting served a different experience and that is fine, but to talk about VR from phones as a comparison is just disingenuous at best. The entire environment is bland, and now more than ever processing power is needed when it comes to VR. So I must say I kind of agree with JoeDG, the experience looks like souped up indie games. PS4k/Neo will mitigate this, and bring us closer to PC (albeit with lower resolution).
@donthate Still trying to convince people PSVR is shit huh? Who are you trying to fool anyways? You're clearly an Xbox fanboy...
Show me a VR game on PC that has the visual quality you seek? On PC they can't be held back, so show me one that looks mind-blowingly beautiful and is an actual game to boot! I don't think there are any, I could be wrong and missed a few, but there aren't many, that's for sure. This tells me that VR games are just in their infancy, not that the hardware it's running on is 'crap' as you seem to believe...
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No the Xbox One Scorpio is the One
Nope that would be the Two.
Nope the PC is the one. Everything else is just speculation.
The thought the Xbox one was the one now it's needs bettering? Hard to keep up.
PC do it every month and if rumors are correct the PS4 is doing the same thing
Do people keep forgetting that PSVR has its own processor?
That's what I was just wondering it's got a processor unit sure it's not gonna turn your old ps4 to this rumoured 4k's/Neo's specs but surely it's there to help smooth the experience along for day one ps4 owners or at least the first 40 million or so.
So did 32X. Seeing Sony's history with add ons and abandoning them quickly,this could easily be another 32X or PS Move or PS Eye or Wonder book or Vita..
The psvr processor will not add any cpu or gpu power .
Yeah I know I listed handheld consoles hence why I ended first paragraph it's just happening for some consoles now... Clues in the words.
I see what you did there, very lame.
I thought that name was already taken by Xbox this generation.
The One to rule them all, The One to find them, The One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them greatness awaits
here is my question what if E3 comes and we don't hear anything about neo or scorpio? ask yourself that. will you be disappointed or reassured in sony/ms commitment to support current consoles? i for one think neo and scorpio are great ideas and could be one of the biggest changes to gaming landscape. it's new to a lot of fear and some unwanted hate.
Yeah Nintendo have Been doing it for years and not even upgrading the hardware sometimes GBA went to SP sure there were improvements then it went to Micro. The DS got the DSi, 3DS Got the XL then the "New" it's just happening for some consoles now. I for one have no problem with this your not forced into upgrading its all dependent on wether or not the improvements of the newer rumoured consoles will even benefit you for new owners it's a great way to start or they can just get the older models on the cheap. As long as it's not a new version of the console each year I'm fine with that I got my ps4 day one it's been swapped to the Star Wars version but that was my choice sold my old one and got a great deal. At the end of the day if there's a need for me to get a Neo I'll grab one but still undecided on VR yet ps4 was a day one for me moment it got announced revealed didn't even see the console it was just a winner. If they are gonna offer me a bigger (not literally) better version 3 years later I'll consider it it's not the end of the world tho as I'll just game on on my existing console otherwise. Sure I've been paying for it also but the ps+ games over the 2-3 years have pretty much paid for my console so hey why not get a newer one if they are coming (seems likely) I'll just not grab one of the very first ones as we all know there will be coloured bundles a year or so down the line so I'll grab the golden GTA6 Ps4 Neo bundle in 2017/2018... Here's hoping ;) Ever since golden n64!l that gold controller been obsessed with a gold tinge to my consoles, never adverse to a Pokemon plastered over it either tho (Pikachu 64/3ds XL) If your like me and look after your stuff so it doesn't look like ex demostration GAME demo units then you can normally sell your stuff on for a pretty good price. Specially if sold to friends or not through eBay or trade In shops that offer you peanuts.
Yet everything you said about nintendo and upgrades was for hand held devices and not home consoles .
Nope :Spoiler: Agent Smith is the one.
I thought it was Bill. Excellent!
To answer the headline, i have no idea because sony hasn't said shit about it.
Exactly let's hear from the horses mouth before we start saving all our cash and trading in our worldly possessions
The PS4 Neo is the one for PSVR. I expect the performance on the original PS4 to go no further than what it is now. The PSVR is already pushing the PS4 to its limits.
Every new console is "the ONE" within its brand, which is replaced by a newer "the ONE" after a certain number of years.
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