RX 480 Crossfire (400$) Beats GTX 1080 (700$) in Real World Performance

AMD made a short Ashes of Singularity demonstration at Computex 2016, that showed the world the power of a 200$ card. This is David VS Goliath.

[yarbie1000]

Breaking News at 11.
2 Cards beat 1 card

[Nitromonteiro]

Well, more like 400$ beats 700$. That one card is the best card in the world right now.

[yarbie1000]

i'll be getting the $600 version that'll be better than the founders card.

Would rather SLI 2 high end cards than running 2 lower end cards to meet 1 for me personally anyways

[SirBradders]

@yarbie1000$ that's cos you got the dollar b. For us poor folk we happily take the 400$ YOLL

[ShadowKnight]

Crossfire configurations don't support that many games though and it's only one game they compared this too.

[Ysmir6723]

got 2 evga 1080s for 700 euro,so win for me.

Why the disagrees???Except the connections and friends who get you these prices,just by working on wordpress for 1 hour i made 600 euro,without doing anything difficult for anyone with knowledge on pcs.

[BattleAxe]

I like the price of the RX 480, but I'd prefer to have better compatibility with the vast majority of games out there. Nvidia is what I would go with, despite the price. If I only had $200.00 to spare, then the RX 480 would be a no-brainer, and this is the demographic that the card is being aimed at, for people who don't have much money.

[Kingthrash360]

The real thing that flew over everyones head is this is a rare moment where pc only news hits a hot topic! Lol I'm a console gamer and won't dabble...but it's good to see pc parts getting cheaper to buy while being powerful. I've been thimaking about building

[TheCommentator]

Shadowknight, correct me if I'm wrong here but instead of using Crossfire, couldn't XDMA be used instead? I thought XDMA is supposed to work not only with any two GPU's, but also offer up improvements to all software run with it.

[NegativeCreepWA]

I would rather buy one high end card that works with every game, than sli two cards that may not work with every game.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

IMO Crossfire and SLI almost always have issues with games. I'd rather spend the extra money and get a single card.

[kevnb]

In ashes of the singularity benchmark run by amd , lol.

[noksucow73]

@shadowknight
I agree. I've been running 6870s CF for over 3 years and you are exactly right. I'm building another pc next year and I'm not doing the CF or SLI thing anymore. I'll stick with one very strong gpu. Waiting to see what amd brings out with their cpu lineup later, than I'm gonna start my new build.

[Genuine-User]

The main point flew over your head it seems.

You can save more than 200 dollars and end up with better overall performance with 2 RX 480's.

[yarbie1000]

Nothing flew over my head. Not buyin 4 cards to perform the equivalent of 2 high end cards. That appears to have flown over your head.

[notachance]

Not every game supports Crossfire/SLI, or optimized for it...
also a 'real world' test would also mean they have to test it on every kind of games, the ones that have Nvidia Gameworks on them, the ones with bad optimization, etc, and not only the 'fair' game as I'm certain all the buyers will want to play other games beside Ashes of Singularity.

Other things such as power consumption (150x2 vs 180 W), test case is against 1080's founder edition (lame, barebone cash grab for impatient people), card's durability, games support are also important factors to consider if you really want to buy crossfire rx480 instead of gtx1080

and with 1 card you can actually buy a cheaper motherboard that at least offset some of the price difference because motherboards that supports SLI/Crossfire are more expensive, not to mention if you're like me that only wants to upgrade the card and have a mobo that only support 1 card, there's no way I can buy dual RX480 without buying new mobo..

Soo yes, at the end of the day I'd say wait for more real world tests before you buy either cards.

[jessionpc]

@YARBIE1000

Actually, the point did fly right over your head.

Nitro made a comment on how it's the best card in the world right now, "for price/performance." It's the right choice to maximize gain over loss. And that point is also a fact.

You came back in, and made a completely subjective argument against Genuine-User who just tried to help you understand WHY Nitro posted what he did. You are willing to pay much more, for some more. Like... That's fine. So am I, but that doesn't change that what he said was true. Many people don't care about getting the best possible performance no matter the cost, they just want the best, for the best price. And this new card in Crossfire?.. Will be. Those same people aren't going to buy 2 1080's, it's a colossal waste of money in their eyes, "for good reason, because it is.", there is a reason why the 1080 launched first before it's budget cards, and that was to sucker in obsessed, inpatient consumers.

Not to mention you then counter argued again saying, "Not buying 4 cards to perform equivilent of 2".

They weren't arguing about being an enthusiast, they were arguing about price/performance.

You missed the point. And if you think you didn't, you don't know what, "Missing the point", means.

Sorry, It just triggered me, I don't dislike you.

[ProjectVulcan]

Being someone who has owned and experimented with countless multi GPU systems, you should only bother with them if you are putting very high end cards together for a monster system.

Too many extremely demanding titles don't work with it well. Even if they do, you still end up with a bunch of multi GPU niggles guaranteed, micro stutter, driver issues, hardware issues, update issues.

Just recently I have played Quantum Break- demanding, doesn't work with multi cards. Forza apex- Didn't work, still broked. Assassin's Creed Syndicate- didn't work properly. Far Cry Primal- broke. Fallout- dodgy. Arkham Knight- totally borked. Witcher 3- bad scaling. The list goes on and on.

Buy the fastest single card you can afford. Only get multi GPU systems when you're already paying like $400 for each card and it gets crazy before you can buy a single card faster.

When you buy a $600 card you get $600 performance- ALL THE TIME.

If you buy two $200 cards you'll get $500 worth of performance rarely, $400 worth some of the time, $300 a lot of the time, and $200 performance far too often....now tell me about what is value.

[freshslicepizza]

sounds to me you still have nvidia fanboys out there that don't underatand rational arguments. this card offer the best value out there and if you decide to have two of them you can have better performance than nvidia's $600 card (not sure why they use the $700 founders edition when you don't need to).

[ShadowKnight]

Vulcanproject is right

[fr0sty]

Crossfire isn't 100% efficient, however, and that performance will only scale in some applications. There will be some things you do get better performance than the 1080, but other things that the 1080 will be able to do better. In the end, having one card doing something is always going to be the preferred route to go if you can afford to. This is a great way for budget gamers to get high performance, but for people like me, who do things like CG animation, video editing, motion graphics, etc... The single card solution is better.

Plus AMDs drivers are terrible. I had nothing but problems out of my Radeon HD6870. My new GTX 970 hasn't given me any crap yet.

[notachance]

if any of you guys want to buy crossfire rx480 to 'save' money I say don't
two $200 cards doesn't mean they combine perfectly to make a $400 cards with double the power, it means you have a $200 card with extra power that HEAVILY VARY between each games, that comes with all the trouble a SLI/Crossfire setup will give you. Besides double cards means double the power consumption, I bet the saving you get from electricity bill of only 1 'more expensive card' alone will cover the money you're supposed to 'save' by buying 2 cards. And by god, the cooling system you have to make for a SLI/Crossfire setup to run comfortably...

And if you're still blind to all the good advises above and think they are just Nvidia fanboys rambling, wait for AMD's new high end cards and buy that instead.

Rule of thumb:
Always buy a single card if you're on a budget. The SLI/Crossfire setup is in no way intended for saving money, it is always meant for pushing the limit of PC's prowess.

[esemce]

CF and SLI are not worth hassle , I'd rather overclock a 1070 or wait for the RX490.

[freshslicepizza]

the gtx 970 and the gtx 980 both are still a lot more money and this apparently beats the gtx 970 and is in line with the much more expensive gtx 980. this card is also a very good fit for vr and direct 12.

[kevnb]

I think it's pretty foolish, they run a benchmark heavily optimized for amd hardware and most likely purposely gimped on nvidia hardware.
Nvidia has done this sort of thing before, but they at least went to the effort of doing it on a game people actually care about. Buy amd and play ashes of the singularity like never before!

[starchild]

@vulcanproject

Great comment. That is my thinking on it as well.

[KillZallthebeast]

Guys calm down yarbie never finished first grade math this is difficult for it.

[YinYangGaming]

Could you not sense the stupidity of your comment as you were typing it Yarbie? This is clearly referring to how one can match the performance of one high end card with two lower end cards and save $300 in the process.

[Erik7357]

would love to see the performance on any other game other than this game that we all know has been the show piece for amd cards long before this card was revealed....

[tontontam0]

Took me time to comprehend what you are trying to point out in your comment,

It's so stupid, it's like the opposite of sarcasm.

[Bobafret]

I misread your comment, a single $600 card seems like an okay choice but you are still paying out $200 more for very minimal gains.

[TFJWM]

There are many reasons why buying a single card for a higher price makes sense over getting 2 cards. Skipping the founder's edition to save 100 as well not sure where you get him as being a fool because of it

[Erik7357]

tell me why can't amd show benchmarks for any other game other than the show piece game for amd hardware?

oh and nvidia's card was put on higher settings and sli sucks

[FlameBaitGod]

Nvidia wasn't running at higher settings, this was debunked yesterday.

https://gyazo.com/2498ddb58...

[Timesplitter14]

Take this information with an immense grain of salt, though.

By experience, I can guarantee that an SLI GPU setup is almost always a bad idea. Even if dual-cards has better performance "in theory" or in some very controlled tests, it almost never really is the case in practice. Tons of games and applications don't use SLI well. I have dual GTX 970s right now, and I know for sure that getting a 980 Ti or even a basic 980 would've been a much better idea.

Rule of thumb: just get the best single card you can get for the price you would've paid for your dual cards

[yarbie1000]

Obvious most people here have never read about the many issues with Crossfire and how few games support it. But keep acting like this is the greatest thing ever lol

[Timesplitter14]

@elektranine
Crossfire/SLI is software-dependant and that is a verifiable, researchable fact

also Crossfire/SLI does not belong to AMD. You can do it with Nvidia cards too. What the hell are you on about with your "Typical nvidia fangirl... "

[Psygnosis333]

yarbie1000:
you are blessed with no brian

[Okan-Ru]

i believe what there trying to say is. Why spend $700 on a GTX 1080, instead when you can by two cards $400 for better performance then the single card?

of course there are issues with SLI/CrossFire configurations, since most games are built to handle a single card better then two or multiple cards. plus you have two cards running in different modes x16, x8, x4, etc.

[Sarcasm]

The other thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned is the fact that SLI/Crossfire always have microstutter. I used to have SLI 970's and it's terrible. Something like 55fps looks more like 40fps.

Now I have just one GTX 980, while theoretically slower than two 970s my gaming experience is much better and no worries about lack of support for SLI with certain games.

1 Faster Single GPU > 2 Slower GPUs in SLI/Crossfire.

[killer876]

Braking news at 11

Someone made a stupid comment. More at 10

[ninsigma]

Just barely, on a game that generally favours AMD cards anyway and at lesser settings. It really perplexed me.

[Nitromonteiro]

Well, it is the only game that perfectly employs DirectX 12, so that's why almost all recent benchmarks use it. This game 'favors' AMD as there is no Nvidia Gameworks applied to it. This game shows off the raw performance on a GPU.

[kevnb]

if by perfect you mean its the game most optimized for amd, then yes.

[OoglyBoogly]

@kevnb

No the game is most optimized for DirectX 12...something that Nvidia STILL doesn't fully support what with it's preemptive async compute support.

If Nvidia properly supported DX12 they'd probably be doing better. Since they don't though they will fall behind and will do so in all true DX12 games (not including ones like RoTTR or Hitman that just bolted it on last minute).

[MRMagoo123]

the extra problem is a lot of games don't like sli or crossfire much so you don't get that performance anyway. one powerful card is usually better than 2 mid cards in the long run especially when you factor in your power bill.

[tablecloth]

This is MultiGPU DX12 not Xfire/SLI.
With MultiGPU you can put an AMD and a Nvidia together ( only in DX12 games like Ashes' example ) and get atleast a 30-50% boost if not more.
If they put the 480 in Xfire and benchmarked a DX11 game, it would probably perform less compared to the 1080. But AMD is betting on DX12/Vulcan to succeed and already know that DX11 is a bottleneck for them

[OoglyBoogly]

I've been using Crossfire for years and have rarely had issues. Especially now that AMD is on the ball with it's drivers the past year or so we get very quick updates. So yeah multi-GPU setups are a lot better than they use to be.

[ninsigma]

I don't think sli or crossfire is as big a problem as a lot of people have made it out to be. Maybe I was just lucky but I've been using a 970 sli setup for a year and the only issue I had was that quantum break doesn't support it.

[Articuno76]

In thought AMD already responded to the 'lesser settings' thing. Or was their response countered and dismissed?

[Ashlen]

I'm really looking forward to the high end performance versions of Polaris. I'd like to see an dual gpu single card version of the current Polaris as well.

Either way I'm happy to see AMD really keeping the pressure on Nvidia.

[Nitromonteiro]

Polaris is not going to be high end. Only the 480 and 470 will use this architecture. Vega is their higher end offering.

[Nitromonteiro]

BTW: Can I have some votes that could make this post visible for others to see?

[2pacalypsenow]

So a benchmark demo is considered real world performance? How about we wait for unbiased 3rd party non AMD presentation benchmarks?

Do they take into account that not every game supports SLI-Crossfire?
Heat?
Power usage?

Ill take 1 more powerful card over 2 any day of the week.

[Stereotypical_gamer]

And anyone with 700 bucks just lying around would probably do the same. In the real world 700 dollars is a stupid price to pay for a gaming gpu, completely unnecessary like driving an F350 when you live in the middle of L.A. Everyone knows one card is better than two but is it a bad thing for AMD to point out that intel overvalues there gpu's? I don't think so.

[VJGenova]

For 4k performance, the highend cards are still very necessary. Now, does everyone need to play thier games in 4k? No. But it does make a big difference.

A 1 card solution that can get you the performance you want is a great thing. Sadly, a 1080, even in sli where it works, still won't achieve 60 fps on ultra 4k in some games.

[2pacalypsenow]

The 1080 is geared towards 1440p and 2160p gamers not the average gamer, AMD already lost the High end gamer market so now they are focusing on the mid to low end.

[DrKeo]

599$, not 700$.

[m2stech]

600$
There fixed it for you, not everyone will buy the ugly bland edition.
Also no mention of the 300W vs 180W TDP in article

[OoglyBoogly]

What's with people and power usage like it matters? 300 vs 180 watts? What real world tangible difference does that make to anyone? The kid that doesn't want to upgrade his 400 watt Dell power supply? The person that doesn't want to spend an extra $1 a year on electricity? Even when it comes to heat that would be a very minor if even noticeable difference.

I didn't see Nvidia people bringing up power when it was the 290X vs the 780Ti or Titan. It's only when Nvidia has lower power usage that it ALL OF A SUDDEN matters and is some big selling point/issue.

@2pacalypsenow

No shit Sherlock. Is that why the 1080 barely overclocks at all? And what do you mean "with an AMD card?". AMD cards have always been GREAT overclockers and up until recently Nvidia was right by them (if not passing them) in power usage and heat generation.

[2pacalypsenow]

"Even when it comes to heat that would be a very minor if even noticeable difference. "

With an AMD card? lol
Low TDP = Higher overclocks and temperatures

[mattxd92]

Since the article has to do with price/performance, there are other factors in play for having 2 cards. Do you have a mother board that supports it and do you have a big enough power supply? If someone does not have room for another gpu, which going on this is talking low price it's highly doubtful, a decent mobo will set you back around $100 and a good power supply will be another 80-100 depending on actual power needs of the card. Yes you will still come out ahead by, we will say on a high estimate of about $100 less and that's ONLY if they buy the founders edition. You effectively have to do far more work to get the set up at the same price as the regular 1080. Then there's the problem with how other games may run with crossfire. Personally I have used both AMD and Nvidia and when comparing cards, it usually isn't much of a difference and comes down to which side the devs decided to optimize for. I will say however that if someone already has the necessary requirements with power and mobo, there's really no reason to NOT get the dual card set up.

[conanlifts]

$1 a year on electricity? Every 8 hours is equal to 1kwh extra, which is 32 cents per 8 hours for me in australia. People willing to use dual graphics cards likely game a lot. In america i believe electricity is around 15 cents a kwh. So for a gamer in america anywhere between $18 ( 16 hours a week) to $50+( yes some people put in 40+ hours) per year for the extra power used by these cards.

Its fair enough to bring up the cost when thats the supposed benefit of buying these cards to outperform the 1080.

Oh and just for clarity im not an nvidia person. When i upgrade i will buy which ever card suits my needs the best.

[sadsatan]

1080 SLI says HI!!

[FlameBaitGod]

So does $1,200+ dollars

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol agreed. I'm not about that price.

Still like the 1080, but I'm considering getting a 480 now lol

[BossBattle]

You get what you pay for. AMD is good for consoles, but for real power, efficiency in power consumption, true game compatibility, and durability stick with nvidia.

[FlameBaitGod]

"but for real power, efficiency in power consumption"

Runs at 150 Watts and does 5 TFLOP'S, you comment made no sense, GJ!

[notachance]

what made no sense is considering only the 'TFLOPS' when judging a GPU...
This isn't a Neo/Scorpio article dude, go back lol.

[2pacalypsenow]

*Runs at 150 Watts and does 5 TFLOP'S, you comment made no sense, GJ!"

Thats for 1 card, it takes 2 of them to get to the 1080 power

[OoglyBoogly]

Is that why Nvidia drivers have been sucking for months? Please, yours is a tired and worn out false premise these days. At one point Nvidia was on top in this stuff but no longer. They're both pretty damn equal if not AMD being on top at this point.

"Real power"...is that like the lack of true async compute on ALL Nvidia GPU's? Is that like the 7970 being faster than the GTX 680? The 290X being faster than the 780 or the 390X being faster than the 980?

Sorry but you're just wrong. Go educate yourself and leave 2010 in the past.

@2pacalypsenow

I'm not talking financially, clearly, I'm talking performance and support.

[2pacalypsenow]

No im sure NVIDIA is still at the top, AMD is bleeding money

[BossBattle]

I'm talking about nvidia in general is more power efficient than amd. I'm not talking about one specific card. You guys go with your cheap amd cards, I'll stick with nvidia.

[FlameBaitGod]

*Error*

[FlameBaitGod]

Holy crap you guy's are slow, a GTX 1070 which cost almost twice ($370 basic model) only does 1.5 TFLOPS more and TFLOPS don't matter ? did you really say that lol ? that's a measure of GPU performance, here I have a shovel because you'll need it.

Yeah, you would need two to match a GTX 1080 but i'm pretty sure $400 is a lot better than $1200. Having crossfire will use 120 watts more than a GTX 1080, you know how long till I reach $1200? 12 years using the card 12 HOURS each day for 12 years. By then im pretty sure a new card will be available.

[BossBattle]

You're trying to make your cheap amd cards sound good but the reputation of amd over years hasn't been as good as your rant. Nvidia will continue to dominate over amd in technological advancements. AMD is the choice for people on a budget or consoles made to get more profit. I'm not saying it's bad at all. But it's just not as good as Nvidia. I know true pc enthusiasts would agree with me.

[FlameBaitGod]

I like how you have no evidence to back anything of what your saying lol, "I have friends bro and they really know" loL!. I build PC's

https://gyazo.com/31fc1f01b...
https://gyazo.com/8ad18ad02...

and that's just this month. Your like the apple fanboys but for PC's "its better because its apple!" lol.

"There's a reason why amd is cheaper and still doesn't dominate"

That's one of the most simple minded things I have ever read and then "I understand if your budget is on a diet" GG WP. I wish you the best in life because you'll need it with that mentality.

[BossBattle]

There's a reason why amd is cheaper and still doesn't dominate. If it performed better and still was cheaper than nvidia, nvidia wouldn't stand a chance. Nvidia would have shut down. But that's not the case because nvidia is just better. Everyone knows that except for the ones that can't afford nvidia cards. I understand if your budget is on a diet.

[Vasto]

I am getting a Rx 480.

[jonivtec]

They test it only on one game..but its good to know.One card is always the best solution but two is not bad either.

[Grap]

rx480 is amazing for that price but benchmark on a demo and one game, is just stupid.
and sli or crossfire are always a bad choice.

[dcbronco]

Crossfire and SLI are the best choice for vr if you look at what both NVIDIA and AMD are doing. VRWorks and Liquid VR are both about maximizing two GPUs for vr. So if vr is important to you the 480 looks like a great deal.

[kevnb]

in a benchmark that heavily favors amd. Im so tired of the ashes of the singularity/async compute benchmark. Show us something else, nobody plays that game anyway. how does it do in witcher 3 or tomb raider?

[starchild]

Yeah, I'm always more interested to know how a card does in the games I play most often. Synthetic benchmarks (or obscure titles) are ok, but in the end what matters is how a card runs the games you actually play.

[Bolts]

Polaris is a good card but Xfire is not what makes AMD great. Honestly Xfire is garbage. The massive frame dips makes the experience worst not better.

[TisoSpencer]

Man the spin job I'm seeing here from AMD supporters...

[Haki1112]

One Powerful card > than SLI/Crossfire setup anyday of the week. Not all games even support it, ill wait for the 480 benchmarks before making statements like this

[Asuka]

Seeing as how AOS is running dx12 and the rx 480 supports true async compute (which the 1080 does not) this doesnt surprise me. Though the rx 480 crossfire is cheaper, atm crossfire/sli support is limited until newer applications run dx12 or Vulkan. So the argument that one card solution is more stable will be a thing of the past. However, i would much rather havr a single card than two because of space and overall tdp

[FPSFox]

Crossfire / SLI is becoming less and less of a thing. Fewer games are implementing it well. If you have 400.00 to spend on graphics cards then simply buy the best 400.00 card you can buy on whichever team you prefer. You'll be thankful later as you don't deal with scaling issues, games not supporting it, stuttering, looking up ini tweaking guides to get better performance, using fake SLI profiles for non supported games... Been there done that. Huge headache.

[Testfire]

Coming from someone who prefers Amd cards just because I think Nvidia overprices their cards, I have never and will never consider stage demos from either manufacturer "real world performance". I'll wait until certain YouTubers I trust review the cards.

[Asuka]

Always the smart thing to do.

[JoeMcCallister]

I'll believe it when the first lines aren't "AMD (or NVIDIA) puts out video showing how good their card is in real world" When someone like Digital Foundry or an independent source gets their hands on everything, that's when we'll get actual real-world. At this point, it's basically still marketing tactics.

[susanto1228]

FIRST....the GTX 980 and their TI version is still very viable in today's PC gaming market and we don't give a crap about VR.

I've been building and testing PC's for a very long time and I have always gone with NVidia's high end GPUs for several reasons and when I am ready to upgrade(which at the moment I am not) I will go with the GTX 1080 regardless of the position that the ATI cards find themselves in.

These ATI cards will be outmodeled and outpriced in due time (they always are) These GTX 1080 will drop in price and when they do we will upgrade. WHY not upgrade now? Why should we....where are the games that push the boundaries and bring our PC's to their knees??? nowhere to be found...Witcher 3 at full specs barely gives my PC a hard time...the days of Crysis slapping your PC around like a stepchild are but a thing of the past.

And...2 ATI's in crossfire does not double the Ram if anything all it does is increase the power. ATI has horrible driver updates and support..for games.....NO THANKS.

[kraenk12]

Agreed...there is always trouble with bad driver support with AMD cards.

[kneon]

NVidia have had plenty of driver issues as well. In fact I've only had problems with NVidia drivers, AMD has never caused me trouble, though I know they have for others.

Going back to Windows Vista NVidia drivers were one of the main causes of BSOD and helped sink the reputation of the OS.

[quent]

We should also consider cpu performance needed when planning on going sli/cf as well, especially using 2 high end cards, bottle necking on 2 1080's will definitely exist to some degree, 20-40% drop of in performance unless your running with a high end "X" intel chip.

[WeAreLegion]

If you want VR, stay away from Crossfire or SLI setups. Just a heads up.

[ONESHOTV2]

on DX12 games maybe but at what cost your rig overheating giving your card a shorter lifespan than the competitor. goodluck to anyone getting a AMD card i will stick nvidia waiting for 1080ti

[Father__Merrin]

Cant wait for amd new high end gpu to beat the 1080. Nvidia fans wont know what to say

[kraenk12]

If only AMD drivers weren't so shit and always reason for trouble with new games.

[_LarZen_]

I wouldn't touch SLI/Crossfire with a ten foot pole today or anytime soon.

[hirobrotagonist]

crossfire support has a history of never being good, still sticking with the 1080...

[SouljAx360]

I really hope that the 480 is a legit card. A 200 dollar card that powerful would be amazing because so many more PC gamers would have "high end" PCs and the games being made will reflect that. And then there's the new (still rumored) PS4 and Xboxs that are significantly more powerful than the originals too. I feel like it's another next gen of gaming coming already.

[kraenk12]

SLI/crossfire is always a problem and VR is where the 1080 shines. Without testing VR this is no valid comparison.

[kingdom18]

I am so drawn now between the RX 480, given third party benchmarks backs up what AMD is saying, and the GTX 1070.

[masterfox]

and yet PC gamers will be never ever see what those GPUs are really capable off, cause PC games lack optimization from developers unlike console games. ;)

[MonkeyOne]

Meanwhile ... 50 million people are playing Minecraft with graphics from 1997 ...

[Stevonidas]

Great. Now let's see how the same setup handles The Witcher 3 at max settings.

[Raven722]

I'll wait for actual real world performance comparisons instead of trusting AMD or Nvidia to not rig a short demo to make their card look much better by comparison.

[Glak18]

That's the whole point of AMD...lower price with not as good performance, but competitive.

AMD vs Nvidia
AMD vs Intel

Same thing.

[Dannylew]

Abviously.

Day pf nvidia was ( finally ) finished .

[ctmaudi]

There is a lot more to this story then this article is telling. 480X's performance is about equal to the R9 390, which was to be expected. Here is an in depth discussion that has more info.
https://hardforum.com/threa...

[Dragonopolis]

I've been running Mostly Crossfire and one SLI machine in my house over the years and Myself and my family have benefited more from dual GPUs than single and save money in the process..... AMD later said that Singularity wasn't pushing the two cards and that there was a great amount of computing power left between the 2 GPUs while the game was pushing the Nvidia Card much harder to achieve the results..... There is more than enough benefits to justify having 2 cards over one....

Whats really hilarious is that I read hardcore Nvidia gamers always talking about SLI setups and often over the years have heard Nvidia fans support SLI...... Now that AMD has a solution that allows Crossfire for significantly cheaper $$ than a single Nvidia card all of a sudden Dual card setups are bad? This is a win for AMD especially when the reference cards come out and reviews can test the real world performance of AMD's new $200 card to see if it is truly as good as the performance for $200 suggest....... especially in Crossfire...... Technically 3 new AMD RX 480 cards in crossfire would cost the same as (maybe even cheaper depending circumstance) than one Nvidia GTX 1080 founders edition..... Also DirectX 12 and Vulkan API is suppose to make supporting multiple cpu and gpu much easier and smoother experience for Developers and Consumers so investing in a 2 card setup (especially if it is significantly cheaper and potentially more powerful than a single graphic card setup) is "NOT" a bad investment.

This just might be a good year for poor and semi poor gamers and maybe even AMD's year as well .....at least in the mass market category.....

[Shuckylad]

Rather the Gtx1080 personally.

[Zorkaz]

The way I see things, it's just another example of how everything nowadays is money money money (in general). Imagine what could happen if people focused a little less on the industry?

[Gwiz]

AMD stepping up.

[conanlifts]

Not every game supports crossfire or dual graphics cards well. However it is good for those that want to do this.

[3-4-5]

* Still running an AMD 7770 HD...........whenever I get an upgrade I'll probably just get a brand new computer built instead. I'd have to upgrade more than just the GPU to allow it to work well.

Good to know there are a ton of options out there and that every 6 months these prices drop drastically.

[conanlifts]

No one ever mentions the running costs. 2 rx480 cards use 300w vs 1 1080 using 180w. So to run 2 cards its 120w more per hour. 8 hours is almost an extra kwh. For me that is 32 cents ( australian dollars) extra for every 8 hours. In the long run 2 cards would still be cheaper but not as cheap as people believe due to the hidden cost to run them. Plus heavy gamers could find the difference eaten away entirely.

[kraenk12]

Very good point! Or the cost of a Crossfire capable mainboard.

Edit because of comment limit:

Seeing the 480 is only a fraction faster than a 980 which was only a fraction faster than the 970 itself the difference should be quite something.

[conanlifts]

Yeah for me i only have space for 1 gpu. I run a 970 and expect to upgrade in 9-12 months, but a dual setup would need a new psu, new motherboard and extra running costs. I'm hoping the 1080ti or alternative amd with more power is released by then.
Out of curiosity though i would like to see benchmarks for dual 1070 s. Curious how they compare to the dual 480 setup.

[dangerousbrian0]

But the thing is this prooves you dont have to pay top dollar for good performance.Most people only like working/buying Nvidia because if there is an issue Nvidia quickly brings out drivers for their cards also its because Nvidia does not share what they create like physx,hairworks and other things they have because they now maybe the AMD cards could handle things better that is a speculation because Nvidia will not share and we will not know I beleive that all technology should be shared even if its only a timed exclusive only buy a generation.So what I mean is what the 1070/1080 does AMD will not get until Nvidia brings out the 1090 and 1100 for example or what ever it will be.Because I think open source is better for the community.That goes for CPUs as well then everyone will be on level plying fields how ever much they pay.

[MazeRunner]

the gtx 1070 is the best deal in gaming

[Forum_Pirate]

I have a 280x. I like AMD. Using a game that heavily favors AMD and using 2 cards against 1 invidia card isn't really much of a test.

We need more DX12 games and actual equivelent cards with the new architecture to know anything

[dcbronco]

A lot of people are complaining about the use of AotS because it is a CPU intensive game. But the new APIs are all geared towards asynchronous compute and programming is moving in that direction. So today it's a handful of games, but that will grow with each year.

So if you're complaining because you're a NVIDIA fanboy, get over it. This will be happening a lot. Many of you had no problem applauding NVIDIA using GameWorks to gimp AMD cards. In this case, AMD designed something beneficial to everyone.

[TABSF]

To be honest people AMD very carefully selected this game!

They selected a game which favours AMD hardware furthermore Nvidia still have realised a proper DX12 driver for this game so again it favours AMD. How about we all wait for independent verification.

Whats impressive about the RX 480 is price that its, its about the same performance as a GTX 980, a 2 year old graphics card, when you put it like that is no longer impressive.

The truth is if they tested them on Battlefront, GTA, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Rainbow Six, the 1080 would smoke 480 cfx

I bet they was using Intel Core i7 for the test as well, AMD even did that fire Fury X and for AMD Quantum, they used Intel CPUs to make their performance look better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Am...

[dcbronco]

I know nobody wants multiple GPUs but what's NVLink?

[TABSF]

Also its not the best game to replicate the results as its procedural generated
Nvidia also looked like it was on a higher graphics setting, giving the AMD hardware less of a task.

Watch the video again people!
http://www.fudzilla.com/new...

[kevnb]

Amd is desperate and are currently misleading people. I'm sure they will get exposed sooner rather than later though.

[livininsin]

Nice showing for AMD for sure. Looking forward to seeing third parties running a swath of games through them to see how these guys pan out in the real world.

One thing to note though, the 4GB RX 480 is $200 so to be fair to nVidia here, AMD compared the crossfire RX 480's at "less than $500" (which would be the 8GB models and "less than $500" sounds an awful lot like $499 in corporate speak) versus the $700 GTX 1080 Founders Edition. The real test will be the crossfire 8GB RX 480's (hopefully overclocked versions) versus the faster $600 overclocked GTX 1080 versions being tested in a swath of games, resolutions, settings etc. Those will be the telltale results.

Also looking forward to seeing what kind of beasts the Fury/Titan versions turn out to be!

[DJ]

Wow, half the performance for a third of the price? That's actually pretty good, and more than enough power for most gamers.

[AbleAmazing]

That's nice. But, single GPU > Crossfire/SLI. There are still too many games that don't support SLI/Crossfire properly. I'll always take the more powerful single GPU.

[Maxor]

There are very few games with SLI support, there are even fewer games with Xfire support. It's basically a massive waste of money.

[Satyre28]

Anyone who is a serious PC gamer knows 1 beast card always is better than SLI/Xfire. Its just how it is, there are very few games that come with SLI/Xfire support, and typically problems still occur.

[1nsomniac]

The article does well at pointing out AMD ran the test 10 times with pretty much the exact same results to prove it wasn't a fluke. However it completly ignores the fact that ALL of the benchmark tests were run exclusively on Ashes of Singularity, a game that was built with help from AMD in the first place. This is the kind of move Nvidia would make & makes AMD no better than they are.

[DrKeo]

In most games the 1080GTX beats the Fury X by around 50%-60%, in Ashes of singularity only by around 25%. Ashes is a tech demo that highly prefers AMD hardware so no surprise that AMD chose to show Ashes and Ashes alone in their presentation. If in Ashes two 480 with 8GB match the 1080GTX, it means that in most games two 480 can't get to 1080GTX performance and I'm not even talking about games with no CF or SLI support or bad CF scaling.

So two 229$ cards beat a 599$ card (why do people keep calling it a 700$ card Just because there is a very specific version that cost that much?) in a single highly AMD preferring benchmark that was made by AMD them selves. Maybe we can wait for some review benchmarks from websites like Tom's hardware and Guru3d before we jump into conclusions?

[antikbaka]

i can't even grasp how can anybody seriously discus comparisong between half-ass supported 2 cards config VS stable high-end card

[No_Pantaloons]

This is great news for everyone. Nvidia needs competition, and while there are pros and cons, this is a very viable option for pc gamers. Many are just not willing to spend 600-700. Personally I'm hesitant to spend alot cause I think nvidia is holding the 1080ti in their pocket, just waiting to maximize profits.

[Jadenkorr021]

Too bad AMD has like the WORST driver support in existence.

[Zarock]

Get ready to cry for crossfire support In games once you buy this card.