What if the Xbox One Scorpio is actually the Xbox Two?

Microsoft could be starting from scratch next year with a brand new generation of Xbox four times as powerful as Xbox One.

[Eonjay]

The console doesn't come out (allegedly) for over a year so there will be time to market it as either or (and maybe both).

[Shubhendu_Singh]

iPhone events happens a month before they're officially released. (but ofcourse many expects those dates)

Still...3-4 months is quite enough for marketing your console in this day and age where information travels fast. If XB2 releases Sept2017, obviously they will reveal it in E32017 in June. Plenty of time as you said.

[never4get]

Surprise, it's a Windows Gaming Console!

[darthv72]

It's prowess just seem more inline with what a 9th gen system could entail. With the 9th gen NX releasing in 2017... it makes sense that Scorpio would equate to a 9th gen system as well.

[Eonjay]

If NX and Xbox are gen 9 then why not Neo?

[Rookie_Monster]

It will more than likely be forward/backward compatible with 8th gen games so it doesn't matter what it is called as it will be a beast! Also, words on the grapevine is that The Scorpio is also powerful enough to be a full fledge Windows 10 PC rig and can run all the apps on it including Steam. The games on Windows 10 store will indeed be the same code used and crossbuy/play between PC and Scorpio.

Stay tune, Jun 13

[Eonjay]

Something about this seems redundant.

How does Microsoft make a play for PC while keeping the Xbox a separate brand? I predict that Xbox Itself will become a service within Windows 10 or possibly a brand of Windows 10 PCs. If what you predict is true then the rig that Microsoft offers will be a Windows 10 PC that can play Xbox One discs. The part I can figure out is how the UWP works into all of this. Does Xbox become a part of the UWP platform? Microsoft wants one store that you can use to buy games for all devices.

[hells_supernova]

I think the Xbox scorpio is just a Microsoft branded windows 10 PC. it will be like steam boxes. It will be the eventual end of Microsoft as a "Console maker"

[darthv72]

@supernova... you make that sound like a bad thing. Hell, even sony knows that branching out with playstation being built into smart tv's and other devices is increasing their reach instead of focusing on just one market. They want to take the PS brand into more things. Renaming certain aspects of their service under the PS naming similar to Ms and the xbox brand in regards to Xbox music and Xbox movies.

these boxes are simply just the gateway to something more. It really does not surprise me if consoles as we know them do become just service oriented media / game players. It's essentially what they are now.

[Rookie_Monster]

@hells_Nova,
" It will be the eventual end of Microsoft as a "Console maker""

If you haven't notice, both XB1 and PS4 are basically Mid level desktop PC with things like having to install data on HDD, patch, updates, and now mods. The only different is the Scorpio will have a full fledge Windows 10 OS running on it in additional to the XBOX OS.

This is where Console is heading just like how your phone is becoming more and more like your PC.

@lord of Cinder below,
The XBox Scorpio will be $500 vs $1000 plus for a similar PC rig. That is heck of a difference for people looking just for a Gaming console in their entertainment center but also have a full fledge desktop as a bonus.

The thing will sell like hotcakes

[Lord_of_Cinder]

If what you say is true, then what is the purpose of getting and Xbox over a PC? On a PC you will have Steam plus xbox games without paying for xbox live.

[dcbronco]

The play for Microsoft is simple, Xbox becomes your reference platform for gaming. If you look at the direction of computer devices the last year you find Microsoft setting the tone. At Computex this week it has been one answer after another to mainly two products. Surface Pro and Surface Book.

Xbox can serve that same design reference for gaming machines. AMD and Microsoft work closely together. They have been for years. Microsoft admitted in an interview they have a couple of hundred of their computer engineers working at AMD facilities and vice versa.

The OS in Xbox One offers some unique opportunities I believe. And console design offers great opportunities for R & D as well as device design you will never find in PC. There will be an Xbox app for PC and other devices. But future Xbox units can offer design choses not found in off the shelf parts. That will become more and more the case as low end PCs become good enough for the majority of the public. Consoles will bring new ways to push technology. Ignore the past where PC pushed the majority of the new tech. Consoles will lead the way in exploiting that tech.

[Budrazor]

All the negativity! That's definitely not what they wanted to hear.

[_-EDMIX-_]

...lol, not Rookie.

I agree with Eonjay, it makes no sense based on what we know MS to be currently doing. Who would support a new platform with a lessor install base? Sounds stupid and sounds like MS would basically be failing from the start.

[Tsar4ever01]

Short answer, it's and iterative upgrade of the Xbox One. Xb1 is iterative generation "0" or "1", depending how you look at it. Ps4 Neo is a iterative upgrade of the Ps4. No more generation cycles, just hardware upgrades of the same AMD *APU(*Cpu/Gpu), memory & HDD upgrades, but the software that runs them will always remain compatible. Forwards and backwards.

[darthv72]

"If NX and Xbox are gen 9 then why not Neo?" well... it could be yet the rumored specs seem to be a bump in performance as opposed to a full on generational leap like what the NX is supposed to offer as well as the rumored scorpio.

Neo is to the PS4 what the 32x was to the Genesis. A mid gen upgrade that has some improvements but ultimately is not the same as a real full blown 9th gen platform. At least... that is what appears to be the rumored design. It could turn out totally different, just have to wait and see.

[Fin_The_Human]

I wonder if MS does reveal the XB $corpio with specs , will Sony still reveal the Neo if it was planned to be announced and the specs are as rumored which is less power than the Scorpio.

Could be a smart move for Sony to hold off and pump up the Neo specs...that is the advantage of going in stage after your competition. MS should demand with the E3 committee that they rotate who goes first each year.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

I wouldn't lie that this didn't crossed my mind. If rumours are to be believed, XB1S sports some serious power which can be considered as a generational leap, as Nvidia/AMD took a gigantic leap from 22nm to 14/12nm fabrication process.

Imagine 2017, XB2 with Halo6 as launch title right in Sept. And if this E3 I hear ReCore, Crackdown 3 and even ScaleBound shifted to 2017, what a scary launch lineup. (like how NX seems to be doing)

but I still highly doubt it. I remember reading in the leaks that it XB1 with XBS launch will become backward and FORWARD compatible. Atleast nintendo will have 4.5 years with WiiU when they will launch NX in march. XB1 will have only 4 years if XB2 launches in Sept-2017. Even with that spec boost, I think this short life will piss off some Xbox fans quite a bit.

[Crimzon]

You raise a valid point. Given the schedules of their first party studios the launch of the Xbox One could theoretically have Halo 6 and Forza Motorsport 7 ready to go, along with other potential launch titles such as Scalebound & Crackdown. If we don't hear much of the latter two at E3 this year, I think it's safe to assume that Microsoft would be saving them for Scorpio which seems reasonable given the vast scale of both titles, they would benefit tremendously from the huge leap in horsepower.

You're right as well, both Microsoft & Sony are playing a dangerous game with the hardware upgrades here, but at the same time seeing how anti-consumer practices have spread throughout the industry with little resistance, I have a feeling that most people would actually embrace new hardware, even if there's vocal opposition on the internet.

[Sharky231]

If this is true and they make Scorpio exclusive games then that splits the fan base! That would be bad for business!

[NotAFanboyyy]

If they push Recore, Crackdown and Scalebound all to 2017, 2016 will be a terrible year for the Xbox. What will have been released? Quantum Break, Gears and Sea of Thieves? Sorry but that's not gonna cut it given what Sony has released thus far and what is still on the Horizon, pun intended.

[Hold_It]

@Not A Fanboy

Imo last year Sony's first party exclusives didn't hold a candle to the lineup that Xbox had last year. What all has PS4 had (exclusively) so far this year that is worth talking about besides Uncharted 4?

If the Xbox One doesn't really have anything more than Gears 4 (Xbox One Exclusive), Quantum Break (Microsoft Exclusive), Sea of Thieves (Microsoft Exclusive), Halo Wars 2 (MS Exclusive), KI Season 3 (MS Exclusive), Cuphead (MS Exclusive) that's still four new Microsoft exclusive IPs vs Sony's No Man's Sky (Multiplatform), Uncharted 4 (PS4 Exclusive), Street Fighter V (Multiplatform), Umbrella Corps (Multiplatform), and potentially Horizon (PS4 Exclusive) Dreams (PS4 Exclusive), Persona 5 (PS Exclusive).

They're both about the same this year as far as games coming out, as so far it just comes down to what interests you the most for the console or consoles (if you have a XB1 and PS4 like myself) that you own.

I do know I will be picking up Horizon : Zero Dawn as it will be interesting to see Guerilla Games break away from doing FPS games, and will be picking up Persona 5, Halo Wars 2, Gears 4, and possibly Sea of Thieves depending on what kind of game Sea ends up being.

[MatrixxGT]

For what it's worth I'm sure forza horizon 3 this fall

[Hercules189]

There's also below, cuphead and maybe another fallout 4 type of reveal having a new major game announced and arriving in a few months.

[Budrazor]

It's tolerable. At least the Scorpio will have a few games at launch then. How many did they advertise for the Neo?

[moegooner88]

Lol @Hold_it. Go do a Google search kid lol.

[mark_parch]

killer instinct season 3, quantum break, sea of thieves, halo wars 2, gears of war 4, forza horizon 3 and I believe phil said there is another unannounced game coming this year. I'm pretty sure recore and crackdown 3 will come this year though. that's a cracking year also cuphead, ashen, below and inside

[javauns]

All their games are gonna be scaleable, thats why they are using for the UWP and they are combining pc and xbox as one. They will be in a position to have their phone running their UWP games. Thats the goal. Develop once and run across many devices, and you can only get that through their stores. I just hope they mae the scorpion powerful enough to last 5-6 years or allow some kind of modular or add on upgrade. maybe a external cpu since dx12 supports dual gpus. And imagine if the scorpion can play all the games on the windows store, their won't be anymore computer exclusives so only sony and nintendo games won't be on xbox brand. can u imagine playing a star citizen and ashes of singularity and civilization on your home console and its not the watered down version.

[Pancit_Canton]

Maybe it's a sign that Bill gates is going to run the Xbox game division as well. His zodiac sign is a Scorpio. lol

Or the fact that it's Xbox 15th year anniversary this November.

[Oreic]

Finally, someone else agrees with me.

[andresegr]

That would be a wise idea.
That way they can compete directly with the NX.
It is more than obvious that Xbox is not a competition to Playstation, theres nothing wrong to compete in the B-Leagues.

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

What the hell are you talking about?

[thexmanone]

Hate to burst your bubble, But Sony will have the weakest console of the three. I`m sure that will turn off a lot of gamers. Sony will need to step up there game if they want to stay in the this so called competition you talk about.
In my opinion Neo will be Sony`s last console. Just check the stock market.

[Lord_of_Cinder]

I don't know in what world do you live but first of all, aren't you from the group that preached that "power doesn't matter" and also, did people on PS2, the weakest of the console at that time, jumped to the more powerful consoles? Nope, and still the PS2 dominated. Also, has an xbox console ever in history surpassed a PlayStation console? Nope, the xbox has never won a single generation all this years.

[agame914]

ps2 was weaker then the og xbox and gamecube but sold more then them both combined so whats your point? either way MS is going to get trounced

[DoubleM70]

Even though Sony has the mindset of the General Public Xbox does have a chance of turning it around based on how well the 360 sold. PS2 sold well because it played DVD's out the box. I personally bought 3 PS2 over the years. The new generation of gamers are very Tech savy these days, so power does mean allot.

[nuckfuggets]

man whatever xbox . ps4 is far way better than xbox .. i mean look at its exclusives ...

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

"Far way better"

You should read a book so your English can become far way better too!

[BossBattle]

2 good games Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne. Wow.

[Highlife]

Well xbox has ummmmm hmmnnnm ahhhhhhhhhhh...........

[agame914]

and xbox has ryse and QB LOL

[gangsta_red]

Apparently you have to put "in my opinion" after every statement that you declare who's the best or worse.

[thexmanone]

That is a matter of opinion, PS4 exclusives do not interest me. I like Xbox better. Just play what you want and have fun with it.

[Waterfall101]

exactly look at the exclusive. Xbox wins by a landslide

[agame914]

you should quit being a comedian....

[DualWielding]

I think so, 4X seems too much for a half-step

[ILostMyMind]

A coherent comment. This half generation is only to raise graphics to 1080p and 60fps. Why would serve 10tf?

[ShadowKnight]

I believe the Scorpio is the Xbox 2 with lots of power. PS4 neo (if it really exist) is definitely not the PS5. Just a system with a minor update with a 4K Blu-ray player IMO. Sony would actually call their next gen system PS5.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It is Xbox 2. Phil said no .5 iterative BS.

[ShadowKnight]

Calm down we hear you. I'm sure the Scorpio is the Xbox 2.

[BossBattle]

The Neo is the PS5.

[ShadowKnight]

When did Sony say it was the PS5? We don't even know if the Neo actually exist lmao. You work for Sony lol?

[KiwiViper85]

All consoles get a code name. Chances of Neo being PS5 is 50/50...

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Here is a thought.

Lets say Sony launches PS4.5/4k this fall.

Xbox 2 launches Spring 2017 and Microsoft claims start of 9th gen.

Does Sony then counter with PS5 during the fall 2017?

[ShadowKnight]

I didn't say anything. TBH I don't think the PS4K/neo really exist but that's my opinion. Just a bunch of speculation if you ask me. But since you're a fanboy you wouldn't want Sony to do that. I don't really care what happens since I'll own all the consoles anyway lol I'm more concern with Nintendo at the moment. They need to get back to business.

[ILostMyMind]

If Microsoft advance the generation without Sony it can not convince the developers to create new content worthy of this generation. The companies would choose to maintain compatibility with PSNeo / PS4 because of its installed base. Sony would have no reason to enter this race.

[KiwiViper85]

If the rumours are true, then all games on scorpio are forward/backward compatible.

Multiplats will still come out on PS4, absolutely. But while the PS4 struggles to maintain a solid 30fps @1080p, scorpio will be running the same game at 1080p60 rock solid with any extra effects the developers wish, possibly even pushing higher resolutions/frames for people lucky enough to own high end tv/monitors.

Its no different to what devs are doing now, developing for PS4 and downscaling for XboxOne...

[jb227]

That's all according to whether or not the "forward compatible" talk is possible in terms of consoles.

PC games have hardware requirements, so in this instance, I don't see how games can be tailor made for a console coming in at 6 tflops while still being possible on a machine w/ only over 1....we've seen Sony's roadmap for Neo & we know that the caveat is there that vanilla PS4 versions can't be gimped, but to my knowledge we've seen nothing to that effect in regards to Scorpio.

If Xbox 2 launches in Spring of 2017 w.o the capability of the XBO playing the same games, then yeah MS will have started the 9th gen a scant 4 years after the launch of the last one, and the 8th gen will essentially be one of the worst in existence. This generation is just getting started in terms of quality games, if it gets cut short it'll end with a lot of upset gamers, myself included.

Either Scorpio is held back by last gen & not able to take full advantage of its extreme power gap, or last gen is cut short. Either way, it doesn't make much sense to be an early adopter of the Scorpio or the Neo.

[BossBattle]

What if the PS4 Neo is actually the PS5?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Sony might be in trouble.

[ShadowKnight]

You better hope the PS Neo is called the PS5 lol J/K. Interesting, You say Sony will be In trouble because of lower specs or exclusive games? If you don't mind me asking.

[KiwiViper85]

In trouble because the majority of gamers have no affiliation to either console manufacturer, and will jump on the console thats seen as more powerful, the one all your friends have, and the generally more favoured console.

You can still own your PSneo for Uncharted 5 and GT Sport 2...

[ILostMyMind]

Why it would kill the PS4 now?

[KiwiViper85]

Because of the stigma of being the least powerful console... Just the opposite of this current Gen.

[Godmars290]

Then MS will pull off a WiiU worse than Nintendo.

MS: "Here's our new console, uses the same name as the old one, and btw, our old console is now $300 but the new one -which is also the XB1- is $400.

"No need to thank us!"

[KiwiViper85]

Why are you saying it will also be known as XB1?...

"Here's our new console, it's the Xbox ____, and btw, it plays all Xbox One games plus these new MS Exclusives! Our old console is now deceased, but the new one is $400.

"standing ovation"

[Godmars290]

Well, for one thing MS just reduced the price of the system released just two years ago. To now outright cancel it to only introduce a new system at a higher price, even if it is fully BC, is not going to send a stable message to general consumers.

And lets be honest: Every major announcement at a trade show has gotten applause.

[agame914]

pathetic

[Aenea]

Maybe it's the Xbox Four!

[oSHINSAo]

What if PS4 Neo it's actually PS5 ??? Man this articles...

[theFAYEsorceress]

there's no way they'd already introduce a brand new console gen...

[KiwiViper85]

Why not?

The OG Xbox lasted less than 4 years before the 360 came out... It was a strategic effort to get the new console out ahead of PS3, and they pulled it off! The two consoles were neck and neck for most of the generation.

Imagine MS execs sitting in their office saying "ye we fucked up this gen, sorry, how about we release an extremely more powerful console, ahead of sony, and get the jump on them again!"

Sounds like exactly what I'd do.....

[Apex13]

Reaching much!

[objdadon]

It is the xbox 2. Phil spencer said a while ago that he doesn't believe in making a 1.5 system.

[gangsta_red]

I actually believe this. I think MS wants to put the X1 behind them and start fresh with a whole new console to market to the public.

[ScorpiusX]

Still aim to get one on day one, so not worried on weather its two or three .

[Lord_of_Cinder]

With the rumored specs, is obviously a new console and not a revised version as the PS4 NEO rumors suggests. If that is the case, then it really was a really short cycle for the xbox One.

I am under her impression that Microsoft believes that by having a more powerful console than the competition, it will fix all their problems in a nutshell. Also, you must consider that a powerful console is going to have a high price too.

[Artemidorus]

What if COD offers another season pass for 2016?

I know it's stupid and random like this very page.

[D2K]

Might as well be. Plus, Phil Spencer said that he is not interested in having a mid-range upgrade of a console. Sony won the 8th gen. That's water under the bridge. Everyone knows it. Microsoft and Nintendo just said "Screw it, let's move on." I think Scorpio is the XBOX Next/2/1080, whatever it's gonna be called.

[opinionated]

Mind blown.

[S2Killinit]

It would be terrible if its really the next xbox.

[mrkbizzle]

or you can just tag your clickbait article, "what if the xbox scorpio is actually the xbox 720", pfffft

[Babadook7]

Then Microsoft done f#%^ up. You can't come out with a new console that's only 4x more powerful (normally 10x is standard) and yet breaks compatibility with current gen, and think your going to compete with sony's 80 million strong ps4 ecosystem that has two price points. Game over. Sony would win. They need to keep backwards and forwards compatibility and be a true .5 increment - even though yes - there are drawbacks to that.

[IRetrouk]

If its only going to be 4 times the power then whats the point? Didnt someone say that with the power of the cloud the xbox one would be able to get 4 times the power? Soooooo what happened to that then?

[Brohan]

This is pure garbage

[KentBenMei]

This would be good. Then we could get PS5 by the end of 2017.

[cyber_daemonx]

Number 2 sounds about right.