1up Infinite Undiscovery Review (Xbox 360)

The first few hours of Infinite Undiscovery, the first current-generation offering from acclaimed Valkyrie Profile creator tri-Ace, are so out of character for the otherwise reliable developer that they almost feel like an intentional primer for what not to do when designing an action-role-playing game.

[clintos59]

Well lets just hope the game doesnt get any lower reviews under 5.

Edit: B grade doesnt average a 7.

[gaffyh]

B is good according to 1up's grading. But on one of the 1up shows (or podcasts) one of the guys says that this game takes 20 hours to get into the main game! lol.

B is still pretty good though, I think it is ~7

[Firstkn1ghT]

Isn't a B an 8???

[twininfinitysol]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

[clintos59]

its in the 70's range which is a 7 point something not a 7, so my guess would be around 7.6

[Marceles]

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[barom]

Isn't B a B? Why do ya always gotta convert it? B means it's good, not amazing but good, not average but good.

FYI, a B for 1up could be a 7/10. I remember Stranglehold getting a 7 or 7.5 from 1up and if you look the game up on 1up, it's the same review but now it got B as a score. As for gamerankings, they think of it as the educational grading system, where it's usually
F for everything below 60%
D for everything between 60-69%
C for everything between 70-79%
B for everything between 80-89%
A for everything between 90-100%

In other words, it's not accurate as F could be anything from 1-6/10. Take the score as it is, do not become obsessive with converting them to the traditional scoring system. After all, there is a reason for why 1up changed up their scoring system. It's easy to understand, A is great/amazing/perfect, B is good or great, C is average, D is bad and F is awful. It's that easy.

[B-Rein]

......

[KingDizzi]

What is B an equivalent to then?

[TheColbertinator]

72-77 is the range of B.

edit: Somebody disagreed? Sorry,but that is a 1up B.

[Firstkn1ghT]

So I'm going to throw another 5 points to your numbers for a B+ and that equals 82. So your saying that 83-100 is an A?

[TheColbertinator]

@1st Knight

Metacritic just numbered it as a 75 1stKnight.Besides,when did you start caring about reviews? I thought after Too Human got its reviews,you said you would'nt care anymore.

[Omega4]

"Undiscovery is absolutely worth playing through at least once"

That line gives me reason to keep my pre-order at least until Gamespot or Gametrailers review it as B doesnt seem that bad at all

[Saigon]

they both also reviewed the game...i think both scores were similar to IGN's...

[Blackcanary]

Why don't you just buy and is if you like it and if not get a refund back and say game doesn't work or tryed it in for something else why do you care about reviews?

[BIoodmask]

from 1UP. I think the game looks really nice so I will be picking it up.
I hope Infinite Undiscovery does well so Square Enix/Tri-Ace will continue to take risks in making new IPs instead of just focusing on sequels.

[TheColbertinator]

I just hope Tri-Ace can make good games regardless of the franchise.For example,I want to see Valkyrie Profile go to a next gen console.Star Ocean 4 is looking good too.

But I don't feel confident about the Last Remnant.The developers behind LR were responsible for creating that horrible Drakengard game.

[typikal82]

What does the title even mean?

[name]

Something never being found I assume.

[xaphanze]

B is an 8

[hazardman]

It's funny how we live on reviews and sh!t like that..Like you can't go to blockbuster or gamefly rent the game try yourself before you buy it or a play demo. I'm still getting this game sheeit if the Japanese love it..it must be good.

[v1c1ous]

also love a lot of weird ****.

[Jandre02]

B=7.5 according to metacritic. That gives this game a 7.1 from IGN, and a 7.5 from 1up.

[militant07]

B=8.5 what an idiot

[Thoas]

Your a idiot

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

[Dyingduck]

EDIT: Above user changed crap...

[NipGrip]

Man, the 360 is getting all the hits! Too Human came out to glowing reviews, everyone loves it and now this, a 7.6! Can it get any better for the 360? I don't think it can.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

What a laugh that the PS3 last place nutters are here swooping in on a 360 game when they should be worried about here own exclusive garbage flops!

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

You will also notice nobody even commented on it except myself for the very reason that is being proved in this review. You ignore your constant string of failures but you all come out and have a parade in a 360 review.

Quest for Booty and now Ferrari Challenge? The quality just keeps rolling on the PS3 eh nip?

[InMyOpinion]

Your jealousy shows, and I understand why =)

Having 2 solid Jrpgs to look forward to is much better than having nothing at all.

@GiantEnemyCrab - No wonder they are jealous. They have no interesting titles to look forward to until LBP and Killzone 2 comes out. Besides that they only have sequels to Resistance and Motorstorm, both which were crappy games. They got higher scores than they deserved cause they were the only titles available when the PS3 launched. A generic fps and an arcade racer. I wish Sony could give them some interesting titles so they would have something to do besides crying.

[Lucreto]

Nothing interesting

I have 15 games from now to christmas and the list keeps growing and with my current 20 games and 15 blu-ray collection I am more short on time. Yes a lot are multi but that doesn't matter. While the 360 has 2 in its entire collection I am interested in.

Resistance 1 was a very good game but even the developers said it was just a taped together game compared to resistance 2. Also Killzone had a good story but was let down on the gameplay. The PSP game rekindled the hope being better than the first game. Killzone 2 will be better as they were given held from Naughty Dog and Insomnaic.

[Firstkn1ghT]

A+ = 10
A = 9.5
A- = 9
B+ = 8.7-8.9
B = 8.3-8.6
B- = 8.0-8.2

and so on and so on....

[DJ]

It's not like it's a hard system to understand. A "B" is 83~86%.

*Edit: Ohhhh, I was thinking of the school grading system.

[zo6_lover27]

No it doesn't

A+ to F is 13 grades , it's a score out of 100. Divide 100 by 13 is more or less 7.5. So it should be

A+ 100
A 92.5
A- 85
B+ 77.5
B 70
B- 62.5
C+ 55
C 47.5
C- 40
And so on

That's how there getting the ~7 rating, its also how Metacritic does it.

EDIT

@ twininfinitysol

So that means a B according to 1up is 7.5-8

BTW, its zo6, not zoe

[twininfinitysol]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

Zoe's explanation makes good sense. This is just an explanation for the grading system according to joystiq.

[Firstkn1ghT]

haha, cmon guys.

[Bladestar]

"C- 40" !!!!! ahahaha! ... so, when kids go home and say, "I got a C on my final".... does that mean they passed!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Grade Percentile of passed students
A 90–100
B 80–90
C 70-79
D 60–69
E 50–59
FX —
F —

Anti-xbox 360 trying to make this game seem as a bad game...

A+ is just simply perfect score + extra point for some super reason like the game being free.

[TheColbertinator]

@Bladestar and 1stKnight

Look,I am excited for this game too.I have been with Tri-Ace since the Saturn days.But seriously,Metacritic numbered it as 75.Its not a bad game but apparently 1up and IGN agree that it isn't AAA material.

Take a look at the Joystiq sheet before you guys start arguing effortlessly with the "fan-bois"

[Deviant]

B~7.7

twininfinitysol, zo6_lover27 bubbles up :P

[DarK-SilV]

see xbots ,WE told you ,the game really looked good at the beginning,but you xbots hyped the game too much,now the game flopped,
Infinite flop now officially added to your 2008 lineup of flops.
we will see of fable turns to be another flop (lets hope not).
the only game xbots have is Gears of bore 1.2
we Sony snipers told you early this year, 2008 belongs to Sony and Sony snipers

[Shadow Man]

Im still getting my copy meaning your comment is useless.

[TheColbertinator]

@Dark Silv

You do notice your Infinite Undiscovery avatar,don't you?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

See droid like I said above:

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Stop ignoring your flop console and coming in here.

Steven: The dude is an idiot what do you expect?

[DarK-SilV]

@Steven Colbert,I know and this is what I wrote on the gamer zone,

"I swear to god I was looking forward to the game but it seems it will end up being worse than lost odyssey ( which I didn't like).
lets hope The Last Remnant save the day which is developed by SE not Tri-Ace "

[fufotrufo]

hahahahahaha with games like Quest for Booty, Haze , Ferrari Challenge flopping harder ..all i can agree is 2008 YEAR OF THE PS3!!!

hahahaha

[TheColbertinator]

Wow you guys fight too much...or not enough.I can never tell

[Zerodin]

Well at least we have games, now go masterbate to tenitcle loli like a good chinkanese!

[Fiona]

I dont know which one to get Tales of vesperia or this one. my heads gona explode if i dont choose! for me a B is not a bad score. i cant expect perfection for every game.

PS: I never played a tales game. this would be my first. Disgaea is just not my style. thks scerick

[Scerick]

I'm really enjoying Tales of Vesperia.

If it helps at all, it's my favorite JRPG of this generation, and I've played them all :).

Edit: I just wanted to add that I am not considering Disgaea 3 in that statement, because it's in a different category IMO.

[Scerick]

@The disagree...

My bad what IS my favorite JRPG this gen?

[DarK-SilV]

I swear to god I was looking forward to the game but it seems it will end up being worse than lost odyssey ( which I didn't like).
lets hope The Last Remnant save the day which is developed by SE not Tri-Ace

[TheColbertinator]

No its developed by the guys who made the awful Drakengard game for PS2.

[Figboy]

gamers out there are waiting for AAA games only, they will be sorely disappointed.

what is with this obsession with super high, A+, 100% scores lately?

for one, that score is only ONE PERSON'S OPINION. one person, that, need i remind you, is NOT YOU. that person doesn't know what you like, or don't like. that person doesn't know what little quirks you may have that may make a game mechanic that he/she personally despises an absolute BLAST for you (ie, motion controls/no motion controls, or even leveling up and collecting loot).

all that matters, or at least that SHOULD matter, is what YOU yourself enjoy. it's your money being spent on this game, and if you were interested in this game before, that shouldn't change one bit because 1up, or ign, or ANYBODY tells you you shouldn't be interested in it.

hell, i just bought Mercenaries 2 yesterday. it's NOT a AAA title by a long shot. it's basically Mercenaries with a new coat of paint (paint that has been aged due to that year long delay), but it's still FUN. i'm having a good time with the game. it won't be for everybody, like most things in life, but as a Mercenaries 1 fan, it's a good time for me.

at least find a way to play the game for yourself before you decide to buy it or not. it's like with Too Human. i played the Too Human demo for an hour or two, and after that playtime, i decided that it really wasn't for me, so i'm not picking it up.

i'm interested in Infinite Undiscovery, but i haven't decided to buy it yet, because i'm haven't played it myself, so i can't judge the gameplay or story for myself. i'll no soon enough, however, as i'll rent it and see. all signs are pointing to me buying it, because it strikes my interest, and i like JRPGS.

a review, and a score are just someone's subjective opinion, just like my post is a subjective opinion, but at least trust yourself and what you know you yourself enjoys. nobody else can tell you that (as far as I know. unless there are mind-readers here).

[Scerick]

Just curious, have you played Tales yet?

[Alpha_Gamer]

You`re looking at it wrong. People here are not waiting for AAA games, infact, they are waiting for lower score games so they can sit around and bash it because of the "low" (anything less than 9) scores.

[DarK-SilV]

let me tell you why gamers(sorry you have to write fanboy) out there are waiting for AAA games only.
because some Xbox fanboys started saying a 7 or 8 score is a flop which is not,so now Sony fanboys are angry and when they see 7 or 8 to them its a flop.
one more thing XBox&Sony fanboys don't care about the game, they just want bash it.and to me who ever started this(Everybody know who are they) deserve the bashing from the other side.

[Lucreto]

I can see why some fanboys can be angry. 360 fanboys have bashed some PS3 exclusive games that got 6,7 or 8's as a flop but how sony fanboys have an opportunity to do the same.

[Blademask]

What you have is a history of fangirls saying that its AAA or bust. Now they are changing their tune to "buh buh 80 is just as good, reviews dont matter!" When PS3 folks were saying that this entire time. Reviews are crooked and these people have too much power with their website and meta-scores.

Its just funny to see some of the most die-hard people here, that I noticed were here last year laughing at normal scores for Uncharted\Ratchet now agreeing that 80% is a damn fine score..

Oh well, just watch them squirm. Their little world of fanboydom is crushing down around them.

I think this will settle down though soon enough, I think a few ps3 people just want to rub it in 360's owners noses. This is the reality, last year was a gimmie.

[Figboy]

but i can't wait to finally pick it up.

the only reason why i haven't bought many RPGs lately, and have been focusing on action/adventure games for the past few months is because i have this back catalog of cool PS2 RPGS i need to beat, but i ALSO don't have that much time to devote to RPGS of ANY sort these days.

i also agree with the fact that a lot of fanboys had a field day with every Playstation 3 exclusive that wasn't given a 9 or higher, i just hoped that we were made of better stuff than that.

i have plenty of "7" rated titles in my library that i absolutely ADORE and have a lot of fun with.

personally, i think a score of 7 is good enough to warrant a playthrough, and if you really like it, a purchase.

i mean, i own Obscure: The Aftermath on the PS2, and even though that game is incredibly mediocre, and received mediocre scores, i still enjoy it. i wouldn't recommend it, but i enjoy it.

my issue with last year was that even when a PS3 game was doing things that warranted a 9, they were slammed with 7's because of nitpicking.

take Heavenly Sword. which, to me, was the most egregious offense on reviewers parts:

reviewers praised:

the controls. the gorgeous graphics. the animations. the combat was a lot of fun, and wasn't just button mashing, because you had to constantly switch up your stances for the various enemies (some enemies were weak against range or speed or power stance, and often the different types of enemies would be attacking you at the same time, forcing quick-thinking and reflexes). they also liked the story, and King Bohan is probably one of the best villains i've ever seen in gaming since Liquid Ocelot. he's just an instant classic villain. you love him as much as you despise him.

what reviewers DIDN'T like about Heavenly Sword:

the "puzzles." agreed. throwing shields to solve puzzles is weak and unnecessary, but thankfully, you can count the number of times that mechanic is used on one hand. it doesn't hurt the game ultimately.

the "enter a room/door closes/kill enemies/door open," "arena" template of the game. news flash: ALL ACTION GAMES of this type utilize that template, and they never got called on it. tell me, have you never entered a room, had it seal off somehow, then fight a few waves of enemies until it opened in God of War, Ninja Gaiden, and Devil May Cry? did that stop the games from being fun? EXACTLY. this is a non-issue brought up for nit-picking's sake.

the length of the game. i beat it in 8.5 hours that first playthrough, then beat it in about 5.5 hours second playthrough. and another 5 third playthrough. i played through again to unlock everything, and because the game was FUN.

here are a few snippets from IGNs review:

on combat: "The game's biggest strength is its combat system, which in large part works very well. Instead of using only face buttons to put together combos, you have three different stances that each has its own set of moves."

"The three stances work very well in that they can be combined mid-combo to create some useful and visually impressive attack maneuvers. More so, they're actually useful in different situations, depending on whom you're up against, and how many there are."

"While the combat mechanics are generally quite strong, Heavenly Sword relies on them far too much to carry the excitement through to the end. You'll quickly find that you're fighting the same battles time and time again, and that there isn't much variety in what you need to do."

yes, because Ninja Gaiden, DMC, and GOW have SO MUCH COMBAT VARIETY.

on graphics and story: "Sony has put a lot of money into Ninja Theory's title, and a fair bit of it paid off. The presentation is great from top to bottom, with fantastic voice acting that supports absolutely stellar motion capture performances. Characters display a very wide amount of emotion thanks to facial animation that covers not only their eyes and mouth but eyebrows, forehead, cheeks and pretty much every other part of their entire body. It rivals and perhaps even surpasses what Valve did with Half-Life 2 in this regard, though in the case of Heavenly Sword all of these animations are delegated to cutscenes (not to take anything away from it). The story isn't exactly the deepest thing we've ever witnessed, but the presentation helps give it weight that wouldn't necessarily have felt like it was there otherwise."

a game of this type, in my opinion, is broken up into four main categories: controls, graphics, story, and gameplay. Heavenly Sword delivers on these in spades, but still gets a 7/10 from IGN?

here's one more example from the ign review; their final accumulation:

9.0 Presentation
The cutscene work is fantastic, as are the extras (even though you can get most of them freely online).
9.0 Graphics
Beautiful in every respect. Character models are great, and the vistas are a-plenty.
9.0 Sound
Sound effects are fantastic as is the music and voice work.
7.0 Gameplay
The combat system is mostly very good, though the battles get repetitive very quickly and some of the extra stuff (like the button matching mini-games) needed more polish.
5.0 Lasting Appeal
The experience is over fairly quickly. There are a number of really good unlockables to go back and earn, though you can already get them online right now.
7.0
Decent OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)

if you were to average out their score, it would be 7.8. basically an 8/10. but their convenient "not an average" schtick means it doesn't matter if the game adds up to a great score, if the mood so takes them, they'll dock it 3 whole points "just cuz," apparently. and when you consider the "game is too short" comment in it's proper context, what they are saying is that, "this game is so much fun, we wish there was MORE of it."

doesn't that sound like a game worthy of more than a 7/10?

THIS IS WHY i don't trust reviews, and while i wouldn't let them dictate my purchases.

Infinite Undiscovery is looking like some good 'ol classic JRPG goodness, and Tales is too, so i'll be glad when i can have them both in my 360 library.

(sorry for going off topic, by the way).

[The Lazy One]

Oh yea... way to show them how much a fanboy they are by doing the exact same thing...

[Homicide]

Pretty good score. This is my second most trusted review site. IGN is first. Maybe I'll rent it before deciding to buy it. Pretty nice review but I can't stand those dumb voice overs.

[Lucreto]

"With any luck, this could be the next Suikoden or Dark Cloud."

I think this is a little insulting considering these two games are on a pedestal along with Okami, Ico and SOTC.

[DarK-SilV]

@GiantEnemyCrab at least Ferrari Challenge scored 72 on metacritic http://www.metacritic.com/g...
too flop 68 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[THE TERMINATOR]

I new this game was crap. Enjoy your long string of flops. White Knight Chronicles will crush this.

[Says you]

When some of the games flop? but when it comes to your games when some of them get reviewed and flop you just don't accept? like too human and this game hypocrites!

and the first Killzone had 7.5 and you guys said that was a flop.

[pshizle]

i would give it a 5 out of 10

its that bad!

[devilhunterx]

Even with the PS2 graphics, the storyline seems interesting.

[PirateThom]

edit: wrong place

[IzKyD1331]

I dont think I'll see the day when an Xbox 360 exclusive JRPG gets an 8.0 average, its like a freakin curse

[militant07]

check tales ofvesperia and mabye star ocean 4 i think it will get 8.5~9

[PimpHandStrong]

he brings up a PSN title and a crap racer!

thats funny

nothing interesting huh?

Jet Packs are fun but what would u know about that!

There is nothing like that on the 360

[Bladeslayer]

Ok this guy reviewing this game at has some big complaints about this game at first until he decided to play it through now i wonder did they give too human the same courtesy as this because really once you play Too Human through to the end the game the story gets quite good and the game play becomes addicting especially online play infinite undiscovery seems like a good game and i might even purchase it but i've had it with reviews especially when they are biased..

[Blademask]

Really now? Because the 360 has more flops than the Ps3 has even released. The ps3 also has a ton of flops as well, movie games, kid games etc..

You guys are so irritating. GiantEnema/Jenzo/Naism etc, you idiots are going to be here in 2 years trying to figure out 5ths of percentages of games to see who can brag about who has a higher scoring 99.9889767574%

You live pathetic lives, and I don't think anyone has just come out and told you idiots this. 360/PS3 both have games coming out this year, to try and downplay either lineup is completely retarded, and its clearly only something dumbass fanboys like you guys do.

Do some titles have more public buzz than others? Clearly. LBP is up there as one of the most anticipated titles due out. Does that mean that some how LBP is now comparable to something else coming out around the same time with buzz? NO, its just another title.

Instead of being happy for the entire gaming community getting GOOD games this year, you idiots are going to sit here and draw hardware lines in the sand for what? no one knows. Will fanboys ever admit that the 360 isn't doing well this year? Will fanboys ever admit that they were used for bluray? No, its never going to happen. Its like explaining science to brainwashed religions. You try to act like you distance yourself and call yourself gamers, but you know damn well you aren't. Both of you probably don't even own multiple gamesystems & powerful pc's to enjoy all of the games out this generation, so you have to do this in order to make yourselves feel good.

I come back, and notice that N4G is doing a bit better, most of the fanboy nonsense has stopped because of the undeniable performance of the PS3, and that was the big deal in the first place. Just a bunch of bots saying "UH HUH!" and PS3 Fangirls saying "Nuh-UH!".

Seriously dudes, how long can you keep this up? Unless you are doing it just for fun, like i do :) But hell, even i have realized it gets boring to troll every story with what you think you are trolling it with.

[air1]

since when was a B a flop? if you little kids cam home with B's on your report card would you still be a flop?

what are you sony fanatics comparing it to for you to call it a flop? all you got is a ported oblivion. you fanaics keep on with the hate. it's a shame that sony has more studios than micro and ninty combined but yet only had 1 hit? (mgs4)and from the looks of it sony plans on giving you 1 AAA game a year, thats part of the sony 10 year plan..

[0ldb0y78]

You sir are a flop

[militant07]

mgs4 not a sony game published by konami and developed by kojima production its only exclusive the ps3

[XanderZane]

72-77 is the range of B.

edit: Somebody disagreed? Sorry,but that is a 1up B.
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For 1-up a "B" would be a 7.6-7.9. A "B-" is 7.0-7.5. Just go to the link. It's not that hard to figure out.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

For a normal school grade a B is 8.3-8.6.

Whatever the case, the game had a decent score and is probably worth checking out. I'm not going to play it until I finish Tales of Vesperia anyways.

I'm buying every game SquareEnix makes or publishes for the Xbox 360. If they see strong sales on the 360, they'll keep bringing more JRPG's to the system.

[silverchode]

ive seen more tv ads for this game than mgs4, anyone else agree?

[Scotracer]

"The 1UP Network features reviews from our panel of experts, including our editors at Electronic Gaming Monthly. We rate games on a scale of A+ through F. Anything we score in the A+ through A- range is considered excellent, B+ through B- is good, C+ through C- is average, D+ through D- is bad, and F is terrible. Here are our Infinite Undiscovery Xbox 360 reviews from editors and members."

So since when was a GOOD game a flop?

[MRMagoo123]

Flop flop flop flop flooooop (in the tune of the thong song)

[Wii60Fan]

I am getting this game day one. Anything 1up doesn't like is automatically FTW in my book.

[Yawnier]

Too human: 67 (Metacritic)
Infinite Discovery: 69 (Metacritic)

Oh well, The 360 got 2 flops this month... You Xbots should enjoy playing 20 hours until you actually get into the game!

As for Too Human = 10 hour long RPG (R0fl 10 hours for a RPG?!)

[CouchKing0]

Enjoy your flop Infinite Flopdiscovery...AHAHAHAHAHAHAH A

Cry more bots...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Swiftfox]

Why do people in this generation need a 10/A+/100% what have you, to be interested in a game? I mean if it makes a 9.0 it's a "first day buy", but a 8.9 and it's "wait for the bargin bin"?

I just don't understand.

[PSWii60 Fanboy]

Well, I'm still renting this one, it still looks good to me. If you think you'll like it, the reviews don't matter. Also, Disgaea, the PS3-exclusive, also looks vedy vedy good. Meanwhile, on the Wii, I'm still impatiently waiting for Tales of Symphonia 2, or hell, something good.

[Blackcanary]

People need to stop useing reviews to tell them if they should buy a game or if its good or not use ur brain and rent the game out and see if u like it or not and stop bashing games when you havn't even played it just becuase someone says a game is a flop or because it didn't get a high score or because the game is to short or the game is on a different console doesn't make it a flop.

God people use the IQ's god gave you. And think for ur self don't be a sheep.