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How Does Naughty Dog Continue To Outshine All Other Studios?

Somehow, this development team always remains the class of the development world. How have they managed to do this for so many years?

BiggerBoss3308d ago

Over watch, or Uncharted 4

Hmmmm real tough decision /s

ONESHOTV23308d ago (Edited 3307d ago )

that's not the only game they made check there history naughty dog can not match their talent .

since i'm getting so many disagrees let me say this ND has a good team but they have not create anything original since crash the writers at ND should get most of the credits and the animation team that i can give them credit for but everything else is bland and boring to me the world at least in uncharted is just dead with nothing moving how can you play a game like that it feels like a bland movie you watch one time for the action and never look at it again. if ND wants to be on my list of good devs with balance gameplay and story they will have to work on their games better. i'm no fanboy i'm just saying what i see wrong with some of ND games. i give every dev respect for the games they create but some are just over hyped by blind fan. i think i broke the record with this many dislikes this is what happens when you try to talk to the fanboys but they put their hand over their eye and fingers in their ears. you guys are a one of kind

Inzo3308d ago

@ONESHOTV2
Not oly has ND matched them they have surpassed them.

nX3308d ago

Not even WoW, Diablo or Warcraft can match the quality of the last few Naughty Dog titles, these guys are simply on another level.

Lennoxb633308d ago

Not really a good comparison. 1 is a single player focused game. The other is multiplayer only.

WellyUK3308d ago

Sorry but WoW's quality is massive, People don't play a game for 10 years if it's crap... Especially that many people.

kevnb3308d ago

if i could only have 1 I would take overwatch, but I must admit that I dont even usually care for the type of games naughty dog makes but I love their games.

blitz06233308d ago

It's actually really simple and literally rocket science. Naughty Dog are aliens

Big_Game_Hunters3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

MP or SP...
Wow

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remixx1163308d ago

ONE SHOT

that was the dumbest comment I've ever read on this website. You entitled to your opinion but damn dude if your gonna vomit that Ecolab thenot keep it to yourself.

P_Bomb3308d ago

[quote] the world in uncharted is dead with nothing moving[/unquote]

And with that, we've officially crossed over into stupid.

Have an opinion all day and all night, but the moment you start lying (UC4 is actually brimming with moving grass twigs leaves vines flowers wind hair clothes rain pots pans chairs ropes clouds water rocks flies goats smoke flags lights mud flames mist etc), then the conversation is over.

SUCKxITxEZ3307d ago

I have never played a ND game for more than 40 hours, and i have never played a blizzard game for less than 40 hours, so ya the answer is easy. Its one word btw, Overwatch.

indyman77773307d ago

Both please......but ...wait! Lets have a dream about their next project.

What if Naughty Dog made a Final Fantasy killing franchise? Sorry Squares suicide by trying to change the series gameplay does not count as REDRUM :)

Count_Bakula3307d ago

Ha, just another recycled FPS that wasn't even part of their plan in the first place (remnants of their failed Project Titan). Blizzard is a joke now that can't even alter their art style from game to game.

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MyOpinionIsRight3308d ago

Naughty Dog are a bunch of really talented people thats how. Only Rockstar is on their level.

nX3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Well Rockstars best game yet was RDR, GTA however has been kind of disappointing since San Andreas. Rockstar probably could make a game on the quality level of Uncharted though so I'd agree.

Deltaguy3308d ago

La Noire and Gta4 are blemishes imo

DragonDDark3308d ago

LA Noir was only published by R*

kneon3308d ago

RDR is the only Rockstar game I've ever liked, and it was a cliché filled bug fest. And not just amusing graphical bugs, but game breaking bugs as well.

wars19863308d ago

Rockstar are above Naughty dog

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Notellin3307d ago

In the business of making video games which is a very young business, I think management is what differs between the great and good studios. After reading the development hell from games like Destiny and BioShock, I would love to read about the other side of the story at Naughty Dog.

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Inzo3308d ago

The guys at ND just had a good old giggle

WelkinCole3308d ago

Blizzard yes but the problem is like with Rockstar they take forever to put out a game.

In a space of 9 years for example ND managed to put out 5 critically acclaimed and polished games. Two of which (U2, TLOU) change gaming and are right up there with GTA 5 as the game of last gen.

andrewsquall3307d ago

Rockstar aren't too bad when they get going though. If memory serves me:
GTA IV early 2008
Midnight Club LA late 2008
Nothing in 2009 because of DLC crap for the worse GTA game ever made.
Red Dead 2010
LA Noire 2011
Max Payne 3 2012
GTA V 2013
Nothing since because crappy updates for GTA Online that I've never touched ever.
@WelkinCole Maybe when people mention Rockstar they are referring to the Rockstar North developers, if so, say that then.

If anything its Remedy you can point the finger at for slowly getting games out. In the time Alan Wake came out Naughty Dog put out:
Uncharted 3
helped with Uncharted Golden Abyss
The Last of Us
critically acclaimed DLC "Left Behind" for The Last of Us
PS4 remaster of The Last of Us.
more than likely helped out Bluepoint Games with the Uncharted Drake Collection
Uncharted 4 (just released a month after Quantum Break but could have beat it if it weren't delayed)

In that time before QB, Remedy released:
Alan Wake American Nightmare

It took 6 years to make Quantum Break and it simply was not worth the time it took.

WelkinCole3307d ago

@andrew. Yes but LA Noir Team Bondi did that one.

Of the games on the list only GTA V and Red Dead really stood out.

GTA V was done by North and Red Dead by San Diego

Hold_It3308d ago

CD Project Red says "Hello".

WelkinCole3308d ago

How many games of the year has CD Project done in the last 9 years?. How many critically acclaim IP's/franchises?

You do know ND made Crash, Jak, Uncharted and TOLU for which are all highly acclaim PS franchise right?.

CD is great but they have only done one franchise sofar. ND has done many and win too many awards to count for a reason.

Hold_It3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@WelkinCole

That's all cool, and what not, but CDPR still makes great games regardless of whether its the same series or not. I'm not saying that ND isn't a great Dev, which they are a great dev. I think calling them the greatest of all time is a bit much though. For me awards and sales don't measure how great a game is/was, it's how many times I can actually want to go back and play it again, and the replay is just/almost as satisfying as my first playthrough. Besides The Witcher 3, there hasn't been a game I've played this gen that hasn't feel like a rehash of what I played last gen.

We also live in a day and age where GOTY and awards for video games don't mean anything more than an advertising label that means all DLC is included, or it was one of the most mainstream/overhyped game of [insert year here]. Once again, I'm not trying to throw shade at ND or Uncharted, I'm just saying I don't think they are the greatest of all time or anything. I don't really think any dev, or studio or publisher is deserving of that title tbh.

P_Bomb3308d ago

Not there yet. Got witcher2 free on Xbox and never felt the need to play past act 1. Too much time dropping inventory and micro managing encumbrance within layers of convoluted menus and a weird map to really enjoy myself. But hey, at least my guy got lucky.

johndoe112113308d ago

Is your comment satire? I don't get it......

masterfox3308d ago

lol blizzard light years behind ND.

WelkinCole3308d ago

Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft are highly acclaimed franchises. Blizzard however take forever to make one. U2 for example only took ND 18 months to release after U1.

Unlike ND though. Blizzard games nowdays don't set the bar like they use to. ND games do. After TOLU set a new bar. ND again has set a new standard with U4.

Fin_The_Human3308d ago

ND are awesome... Sony are lucky that they found these guys who are passionate aboit video games and committed.

With reputation and fanbase that ND have they could have left and started there own studio but they respect and love Sony that they will forever have a great team.

senorfartcushion3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

True, Blizzard are also perfectionists but this is N4G, a very Playstation-centric website.

Remedy
Rockstar
Naughty Dog
Blizzard
Inifinity Ward (2007)

BlackTar1873308d ago

Lol okay remedy is great but they are not up there. Blizzard I'll say it's a push for me. Infinity ward 2007? No way. Just cause mw no. They made some cod before but there were other games that we're just as good at the time.

senorfartcushion3308d ago

You seem to be confusing game design with single player only. In terms of how to build and maintain an mmo, Blizzard. Mp, Infinity Ward and Respawn have made incredibly polished shooters. Rockstar are Rockstar and Remedy are Microsoft's Naughty Dog; their storytelling is unmatched.

_-EDMIX-_3308d ago

? Buddy, I love Max Payne 2 and I'll tell you Remedy doesn't belong there. They are a great team, don't get me wrong, but they are NO WHERE NEAR the caliber of a Rockstar or Naughty Dog or Blizzard Please dear god don't be so silly lol They are not a bad team, but pleas...they got like 2 good games to their names, imho.

Max Payne 1 and 2, didn't care for Alan Wake as much as I liked the MP series and already read some of the bad QD reviews. I haven't cared much for that teams work for almost a decade now bud......

senorfartcushion3308d ago

Remedy have made more games than just Max Payne 2, in fact, MP2 is their weakest game.

r2oB3307d ago (Edited 3307d ago )

@ senorfartcushion

The retail games remedy has made are Max Payne 1&2, Alan Wake, and Quantum Break. Why people consider them "Microsoft's Naughty Dog" is beyond me. Within the last 9 years Naughty Dog has released 5 amazing games (Uncharted 1-4 and TLoU). Remedy are not on the same level as Naughty Dog, simple.

EDIT: Not to mention Microsoft doesnt even own Remdey. Other than partner, they arent Microsofts anything, they are independently owned.

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otherZinc3308d ago

That's the thing, Naughty Dog doesn't outshine anything. Naughty Dog is extremely overrated. Overrated by the media.

What did Uncharted 4 do differently? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Hold_It3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@otherZinc

Didn't even conclude the series either. They just retconned a bunch of shit from 1,2 and 3, so they can play it safe it and set up a bunch of sequels for more $$$$.

BlackTar1873308d ago

Lol the thought that you have to do something new to define greatness is not true. Warcraft wasn't the first rts wow wasn't the first mmo.

P_Bomb3308d ago

Blizzard's never made a penny off me. World of Warcraft's only piqued my interest as a South Park satire, and a trailer for a B movie I'll never see.

Trez12343308d ago

If you gonna hate on a game, play it first.
What other uncharted has big open spaces like uncharted 4 ?

kneon3308d ago

You don't need to do anything new to be a great developer, you just need to do it better than anyone else.

Innovation is pointless if the implementation is crap.

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jznrpg3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Diablo and Warcraft are the only games I ever really liked from Blizzard. WoW was just a crappy copy made too easy for mainstream version of Everquest

Realms3308d ago

Time Splitters say's why did you rip me off over watch, LOL there is nothing necessarily new it's a good game that has a game play hook but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Blizzard is good at polishing existing ideas but not so good at setting the bar. Their biggest games WOW, Diablo, Heart stone gameplay wise their games are good but if we are talking about pushing video games forward ND is definitely has out class them.

SilentXCaspa3308d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA what a joke. Blizzard? LOL

_-EDMIX-_3308d ago

lol smh.

You mean TF2 clone?

NovaCorps3308d ago

Lol get the hell out of here

nub_cakes1013308d ago

Blizzard is garbage now, they can't even balance wow

Saijahn3308d ago

CD Projekt Red says hello as well.

Wallstreet373307d ago

And naughty dog says "take lessons" cant believe ppl are saying blizzard is in the same level 😂 too funny lol

zackdollars3307d ago

EA, Activision, CD Project Red, and even Square Enix say hi.

goathouse7743307d ago

Oneshot, did you hurt yourself, there? While reading that monster pile of dumb, I was reminded of an ancient steampunk machine boiling over and exploding.

You are a definitive idiot.

DemonChicken3307d ago

Besides comparing apples and oranges - both develops develops different genres

Let's not forget that ND develops for PS consoles only and U4 is visually excellent on a 'console' where hardware is limited, a achievement that not many has pulled.

Clunkyd3307d ago

@Gamertk421
Blizzard? LOL X'D

Muzikguy3307d ago (Edited 3307d ago )

They probably do say hi. While they do that though, ND is hard at work on their next game. I used to think Blizzard was awesome back in Diablo 2 days. Haven't been impressed with much since. I will say that I thought Overwatch was fun. Won't be getting it though

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uth113308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

I'd argue they don't, they aren't all they are cracked up to be. Visually yes. Gameplay no

rivaldoo7773308d ago

Character yes, story-wise yes,

vickers5003308d ago

If your favorite characters and stories are action movies, yes. If you want something thought provoking, deep and emotional, no.

My bad, as I was making this comment, I forgot this is about Naughty Dog as a whole, not about Uncharted. The Last of Us definitely has some pretty good characters and stories. Uncharted? Not so much story wise. Every attempt at a joke in Uncharted 4 was so freaking cringeworthy it hurt. Easily the worst out of the Uncharted series I have played, horrible ratio of gunplay/climbing (waaaayyy too much climbing). And the entire story/game of Uncharted 4 except the epilogue, felt so tacked on and unnecessary, for me it was obvious they pulled this "long lost brother" story out of their ass and had no real long term story plan for him, Sony just wanted another Uncharted for the ps4, so they came up with this. Everything except the epilogue felt entirely pointless (in terms of story).

Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 were way better than 4. I actually breathed a sigh of relief after finishing U4, because if future Uncharted games are like 4, I won't be buying them at launch. U4 left a bad taste in my mouth for the series as you can tell, it reminded me of the order 1886 several times whilst playing, little gunplay, cutscenes with little meaning.

Well, enough of my rant, which will attract the rabid legions of Uncharted diehard fans hateful comments. And no, I'm not an xbox/pc/nintendo fanboy. My favorite exclusive of this gen on ANY console, is Ratchet and Clank.

I will say what few action sequences u4 had were brilliant, my favorite either being the bridge collapse/RPG section or the car chase scene.

nix3308d ago

Vicker,

"cringeworthy"?

Wow. You really must be desperate to find a fault. There are emotional moments in UC4 - when they take the second lift in the jungle Elena and Nate talk about what he should have done and how relationship work. After that you drive for two minutes without any rambling, jumping. The music is also sad. The driving is equally smooth. I just fell deeper as i drove further. I didn't want the sequence to get over. It was just beautiful and felt so peaceful yet sad.

Utalkin2me3308d ago

@vickers500

You're entitled to your opinion. I dont agree with it as most dont agree with it.

What i do find odd is that you say you're "ranting", then you get defensive before you even finish writing. This is not a proper approach on trying to validate your opinion. This just concludes the first thing i said. You know you're in the minority and hence why you made those comments.

FullmetalRoyale3307d ago

I love TLoU. I love basically everything about it. When I think back about the game, though, I think of how thrilling it was to PLAY. I love everything everyone else loves about it, but I hardly ever see anyone talking about the gameplay. My favorite part of that game was the human fight hotel sequence. Fighting it out on multiple floors, running away, hiding, scavenging, crafting, was just so intense. TLoU has some of my absolute favorite gameplay in it. Weird that nobody seems to share that opinion, at least vocally.

vickers5003307d ago (Edited 3307d ago )

"What i do find odd is that you say you're "ranting", then you get defensive before you even finish writing"

I find that it saves time. Had I not "gotten defensive", I'd have been accused of being an Xbox fanboy. I know how these "conversations" go here at n4g. Someone says something critical about their beloved game, and the response 99% of the time is "you're just a fanboy, your opinion doesn't matter", or something much less elegant, along those lines. I mean I mentioned the order and uncharted in the same comment, both sony exclusives, I was bound to be called a fanboy at some point.

I just avoided the unnecessary back and forth of someone saying that to me, and then me responding that I am indeed not an xbox fanboy.

This was a rant mostly, and yeah I know I'm in the minority, clearly. Doesn't mean I'm wrong (doesn't mean I'm right either). But I needed to rant. Uncharted 4 was just so utterly disappointing to me, I mean I've always thought it was a pretty good franchise (though way overpraised imo) but at least I could understand the love for the first 3. Uncharted 4 however? I truly cannot understand why people can even compare this mediocre title to the likes of Uncharted 2. It's not even better than Uncharted 1. My guess is they're either still riding the excitement/hype train from its release (you know, like when a highly anticipated game comes out that's inferior to its predecessors, but because of the excitement of it being out, people love the crap out of it, yet later when people have had some time to let the hype die down, they start judging it more objectively, like fallout 4 for example) OR they simply haven't been exposed to very good stories in their lives, so they think Uncharted stories are somehow great, when in reality, they're pretty par for the course of what's out there tv/movie wise.

@nix

I was saying the jokes were cringeworthy, not the "emotional moments". The "emotional moments" in Uncharted 4 were just boring, as it's just a "been there done that" in terms of conflict/dialogue.

But yeah, this is a rant. I'm just so disappointed with it. The story felt tacked on to the franchise (cept the epilogue), there was far too much climbing, not enough gunplay, the vibrant and colorful art style from the first 3 games is missing from half of Uncharted 4, the jokes were horrible and annoying. I am dumbfounded that people can say U4 is the best out of the Uncharted games when for me, it's such a glaring and obvious disappointment of a sequel and easily the worst Uncharted I've played (haven't played GA).

And yeah, I may be a bit overly critical, who knows. If I am, it's because people overrate the series to high heavens. It's good, but it's not as good as the Uncharted/Naughty Dog religious fans would have you believe. It's just a good franchise, it's not the second coming of christ.

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Aloy-Boyfriend3308d ago

Visually yes, gameplay yes, everything else yes. Maybe MP is where they stumble, but TLoU MP was amazing nonetheless. U4 mp is ok.

If they aren't at all they are cracked up to be, the why they are so successful in the first place? They have done enough to earn the respect.

As for the article. Outshine other studios is a strong thing to say. I'd say they have got the spotlight since TLoU overwhelming success, and U4 success just add more to their talent.

game4funz3308d ago

I'd say many other studios are just as successful if not more so.

Nothing special here. Just because a studio is successful with a series doesn't mean it outshines anything else. If anything it just adds more sunshine.

galmi3308d ago

"If they aren't at all they are cracked up to be, the why they are so successful in the first place? "

I could counter this statement with call of duty you know, but i see your point.

Personally, NDs best project to me is TLOU, not for gameplay or graphics, mainly for story, left me rather confused when it all ended cuz i was expecting more. Truly a masterpiece, story might not be original but it was done rather well and i think thats what NDs quite good at.

Utalkin2me3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@game4funz

Hate to burst your bubble....

Better yet lets use average of lifetime scores.

Rockstar
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
81

Bethesda
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
76

Naughty Dog
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
88

CDPR
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
82

It's obvious who the standout is.

Genuine-User3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

"Gameplay no"

You lot need to stop repeating this debunked point.

UC4 combat:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

http://i.imgur.com/VS6YBkx....
http://imgur.com/AiCy6Tm
http://imgur.com/ta42DdH

Semi stealth approach:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I'm playing in both of those videos and the gifs are from Gaf.

Scatpants3308d ago

I'd go as far as saying UC4s combat is right up there with Gears of War. The multiplayer is a blast.

OB1Biker3308d ago

Awesome stuff man. Thanks for sharing.

nowitzki20043308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Yeah anyone that says Uncharted does not have good gameplay imo is a complete idiot. The gameplay just flows so perfectly in UC4. Its some of the most fun i have had in an online game. Gameplay is so quick but you have total control and I feel like there is a rhythm to the matches because of the perfectly designed maps and the gameplay that goes with it.

The thing that surprised me the most about Uncharted was the amazing gameplay in UC 1. And it has improved since then a whole lot lol.

And really nice gameplay vids btw.

Ratty3308d ago

I disagree. The game has great visuals but that's not even it's strongest feature. To me, gameplay and story are. The amazing graphics are just a bonus that help to immerse the players or have them go "shiiiiiit what a great view!" once in a while.

Aloy-Boyfriend3308d ago

Never mind. The uncharted haters only think the games are just graphics.

Keep watching youtubers guys!

WellyUK3308d ago

The story in 4 was weak to me, it wasn't impactful enough for a finale in anyway. But that car scene though, probably the best action sequence in a game ever.

rainslacker3308d ago

Maybe one day they'll get a chance to actually play them and stop being so bitter.

Xavy3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

U clearly have not played there latest games if the only thing u could come up with is visuals. So your comment is invalid.

ONESHOTV23308d ago

that's true man but the fans here dont want to hear that

_-EDMIX-_3308d ago

smh. Its like this man is collecting disagrees.

nowitzki20043308d ago

Describe whats wrong with the gameplay... Can you?

The 10th Rider3307d ago

Eh, they do make some fantastic, incredibly polished games. The reason I would hesitate to label them the hands-down best would be because they're kind of a one-trick dog. They haven't really branched out much in the past decade, sticking exclusively to the same type of game. They're the best at what they do, but we haven't seen much else. If they came out with a totally different game with the same level of quality and polish, that would be a different story.

Muzikguy3307d ago

Visually, gameplay, story, character development, emotion.... ND does it all.

I'd argue the continue to do this because they're doing what they love and enjoy it. They actually WANT to learn about hardware and push it to its limits instead of other companies that do minimal amounts of work and want to get COD type of returns.

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mezati993308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Lol at the salty comments already

ND are in a league of their own, best gaming developer on the planet for me, feel sorry for anybody who don't get to play their games

WellyUK3308d ago

sorry but this is just pure fanboy...

Naughty Dog are fantastic, but saying they are in a league of their own is just plain wrong, especially when you take Rockstar who have had nothing but huge success over the past 2 gens and aren't focused into one platform. Then there is CD Projekt Red who have been making great games for years now and people have now seen how good they are with Witcher 3, a game with 200+ hours of that quality of content can't be dismissed.

Naughty Dog are stellar but they are not in a league of their own, maybe in a group of devs that are at the top of their game but I wouldn't say they are in a league of their own.

InTheLab3308d ago

Rockstar...yes. CD does not have the accolades. Tally up the goty nominations for UC2,Uc4, and the Last of Us. No other studio comes close aside from Rockstar...

WellyUK3308d ago

Witcher 3 has the most amount of awards of any game... Does not have the accolades, what a load of horse sh*te.

That one game has shown how good they are for their first real go in the console market it's nothing but a great accomplishment.

Blizzard and From software are also easily up there with Naughty Dog.

Vegamyster3308d ago

@InTheLab

They may not have as many accolades combined but they currently have the most awarded game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

DragonDDark3308d ago

@welly and @vega

@intheLab is saying if you combine these rewards, you'll have a much greater number.

TLOU alone won lots of rewards in 2013 against a big game like GTA5. It's a new IP, not a sequel too. Witcher 3 is a sequel so its fans are surely buying it... it's hard to get people into a new IP but ND managed to do that.
Plus, Witcher 3 is a multiplatform game so sites like "Xboxforever.com" can't give a Playstation exclusive a reward. And witcher 3 did get rewards from these sites.

What Naughty Dog did is a very rare thing. And exclusive getting these rewards is phenomenal imo.

You see what I mean?

Vegamyster3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@DragonDDark

"TLOU alone won lots of rewards in 2013 against a big game like GTA5."

Witcher 3 also went up against big ones like MGSV, Fallout 4, Bloodbourne ect so while it was on more systems it also had a bunch of other hyped games to go up against.

"Witcher 3 is a sequel so its fans are surely buying it."

On PC yes but the only game that came to consoles was the The Witcher 2 on 360 which came out a year afterwards.

"it's hard to get people into a new IP but ND managed to do that."

A lot of it has to do with advertising when it comes to new ip's, there is plenty of new ip's that did very well score/sales wise ranging from Dishonored to Splatoon, i saw TLOU commercials nonstop for about a month and they were very well done.

kevnb3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

blizzard and nintendo completely embarrass naughty dog overall. square does as well, even if they kind of fell of last gen. 3 fantastic games doesnt make them the best developer ever, nintendo, square and blizzard defined genres.

Germany73308d ago

Here it comes The Witcher fans, the most insecure fanboys ever, CD Projekt is nothing special, Bioware developed way better games/rpgs than this new studio.

rainslacker3308d ago

What I see is a lot of fine studios being listed, and they all make different kinds of games. Some make games closer to others in terms of comparison, but ultimately, they're all great studios.

I don't know if ND being in a league of their own is appropriate, because when you get to the best of the best, they all kind of sit at the top, and it's hard to qualify which one will top the other.

Vegamyster3308d ago

@Ratchet8

Pot calling the kettal black lol.

DragonDDark3308d ago

You can't really compare these games to GTA5 that still in the top 10 NPD Charts to this day.
@Vega

Vegamyster3308d ago

@DragonDDark

Most of the people who've bought GTA haven't played TLOU based on sales, reviewers/people at these gaming sites who hand out the awards have. If i had to chose between GTA & TLOU I'd easily say TLOU, much fresher experience compared to GTA.

nix3308d ago

Welly,

I don't think you've been playing great games and you don't know the repercussions of playing games. Please play Bloodborne and after that play Witcher 3. Please play UC4/TLOU and after that play Tomb Raider.

First thing that happens is that you don't want to even play any other games because you know they're never going to be matched.

Maybe you're used to glitch ridden games with easy combat systems with fair amount of stories. Then that's your choice. That's what you think is great. Then there's nothing we can do to convince that other games are better.

I hope that your pride doesn't come in the way to experiencing these games. That would be a huge loss on your side because you like playing games.

WellyUK3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@nix

I have played Bloodborne and Witcher 3, Witcher 3 is a better game it is only beaten by Bloodborne in terms of gameplay and only by a little everything else The Witcher 3 is far better than bloodborne at hence why it won so many awards.

You all seem to think I'm hating on Naughty Dog....

I'm not they are fantastic and make brilliant games, my issue is with people saying they are in a "league of their own" when they clearly aren't, there are devs with just as many highly rated games and devs with just as many accolades who are being dismissed just because of pure fan boys won't here anything other than Naughty Dog are the best.

I have played pretty much every Naughty Dog game and UC2 and TLOU are easily their best games and are easily 2 of the very best games ever made.

You just seem to not like any form of slight negativity towards naughty dog aka a fanboy.

@Utalkin2me

Ye but Naughty dog are just a dev, Rockstar are a publisher and a dev and have made way more games, I mean rockstar has over 6+ pages of games on metacritic, ND has 1... You can't go off averages.

Utalkin2me3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Better yet lets use average of lifetime scores.

Rockstar
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
81

Bethesda
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
76

Naughty Dog
http://www.metacritic.com/c...
88

CDPR
http://www.metacritic.com/c...

It's obvious who the standout is.

Vegamyster3307d ago

@Utalkin2me

Those numbers are misleading if you go through those links. Nearly all of Bethesda's DLC has ratings while none of ND's are, Rockstar has tons of games that run across lots platforms from handhelds, phones & home consoles. CDPR has two $2 games that drag down their score & Saints Row 2 is on there when Volition made that game, take those out and average the highest version (not all 3 copies for TW3) then they average 89 without the highly rated expansion.

Way too many variables to make a proper comparison.

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moegooner883308d ago

Last game I played that impressed me so much was TLOU, so yeah have to agree. They really are in a league of their own.

Dark_Knightmare23308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

@vegamyster yeah that's true they just barely beat the last of us record but what competition did Witcher 3 have like seriously fallout 4 lol while tlou did it in a year with gta 5 and bioshock infinite which is imo more impressive.

Jburr943308d ago

I am a huge fan of ND and Uncharted but they can be great developers along with Rockstar and other boundary pushing developers. They all are great and have their own strengths.

game4funz3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Common sense.... I don't think it belongs in the forums.

@Dragon
As opposed to what you just said. Good job.

DragonDDark3308d ago

@game
Say something useful, font troll.

rainslacker3308d ago

It's like trying to say what Italian supercar is the best. In the end, they're all still Italian super cars.

game4funz3308d ago

Don't waste time feeling sorry.... That makes me feel sorry for you. Lol

jcnba283308d ago

Yet it's your comment that sounds salty lol

Gatsu3308d ago

You're a blinded Fanboy if think they are the best. You should play more games and genres :).

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Majin-vegeta3308d ago

Its cuz they seem to be one of the only devs who have a passion for developing games.If they were under any other companies control they would have either been closed down by now or made to crank out yearly junk.

game4funz3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

Nice assumption. It made me laugh

I must edit for the intellectually challenged. Your comment speaks about a possibility that doesn't exist, hasn't existed and don't know if it ever will. Therefore it's an assumption.

If you said that naughty dog under Sony has been able to put their passion into their games... That's fact. Not an assumption. I would not have laughed at it.

I see you kids still need to grow up. Blind fanboyism is not compatible with intelligent comments. I was actually expecting some sort of interesting response.

Dark_Knightmare23308d ago

Your comments full of trolling and fanboy hate make people laugh so thank you.

CaitSith3308d ago (Edited 3308d ago )

"Nothin' personnel... Kid."
- Coldsteel the Hedgeheg, Make Sanic Great Again

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Report: Just Cause 5 Was in Development at Sumo Digital, But Got Cancelled

Recent evidence we discovered indicates that the next game in the Just Cause series may have been canceled, potentially two years ago.

RaidenBlack1d 16h ago

NOooooooooooooooooooooo....... ..............

mkis00717h ago

Well if it went back to being more like 3 I would have liked it. 4 was crap.

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Bend Studio Reportedly Lays Off 30 Percent of Staff Following Live-Service Project Cancellation

Sony's Bend Studio lays off 30 percent of its workforce following the cancellation of its live-service project.

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Jin_Sakai1d 18h ago

And to think we could’ve been playing Days Gone 2 by now.

RaidenBlack1d 16h ago

I would even pay 80 bucks for an UE5 based more immersive Days Gone 2 .... or even a new Syphon Filter.
But nah .... rather lay off staff & re-remasters Days Gone i.e Days Gone Reloaded.

Cacabunga1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

Stubborn Sony not wanting to listen to fans is paying the price of its arrogance. They could have let these studios grow and do what they do best and let others like Bungie maybe make gaas for those who want it.

Days Gone 2 is obviously what they should focus on next. We’ve had enough remasters and reeditions of the first one

Profchaos1d 1h ago

Sony's not paying the price its workers are.

z2g22h ago

They were listening to the money that games like Fortnite were pulling in. Market research shows service games when successful make more money. It’s a gamble that Sony was too cocky to worry about. Now ppl are losing their jobs in an economy that’s gonna slow down any minute.

gerbintosh13h ago

@Profchaos

The workers let go were probably hired for the live service game and released now because it was cancelled

jznrpg1d ago

People needed to buy the first game! And not at 20$

neutralgamer199222h ago

I understand the argument that if fans truly wanted a sequel to Days Gone, they should've supported it at launch at full price. But that perspective misses a lot of important context.

First of all, Days Gone launched in a broken state. It needed several patches just to become stable and playable. For many gamers, paying $60 for something clearly unfinished just wasn’t justifiable. That wasn’t a lack of support—it was a fair response to a product that didn’t meet expectations out of the gate.

Despite that, over 8 million people eventually bought the game. It built a strong, passionate fanbase—proof that the game had value and potential once it was properly patched. A sequel would’ve had a much stronger foundation: a team that had learned from the first game, a loyal audience, and way more hype around a continued story.

But Days Gone also had to contend with another challenge—it was unfairly judged against other first-party PlayStation exclusives. Critics compared it directly to polished, masterful experiences like Uncharted, The Last of Us, and God of War. And while those comparisons might make sense from a branding perspective, they didn’t reflect the reality of the situation.

Studios like Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio had years—sometimes decades—of experience working with big teams and high budgets on flagship titles. Days Gone was Sony Bend Studio’s first major AAA console release in a very long time—their last being Syphon Filter back in the PS1 era. Before that, they were mostly focused on handheld games. Expecting them to match the output of the most elite studios in the industry, right out of the gate, was unrealistic and frankly unfair.

The harsh critical reception didn’t reflect the potential Days Gone actually had, and it probably played a big role in Sony's decision not to greenlight a sequel. Instead, they pushed Bend and other talented studios like Bluepoint toward live service projects—chasing trends instead of trusting the kinds of games their fans consistently show up for. Many of those live service games have since been canceled, likely wasting hundreds of millions of dollars and valuable time that could’ve gone toward meaningful single-player experiences.

So when people say, “You should’ve bought Days Gone at launch if you wanted a sequel,” they’re ignoring the bigger picture. Gamers didn’t reject the game—they waited for it to be worth their time. And once it was, they absolutely showed up. That should’ve been seen as a foundation to build on, not a reason to walk away from the franchise

InUrFoxHole11h ago

@neutralgamer1992
Has a point. I supported this game day 1. There was either and audio sync issue or a cut scene issue that ruined the game for me early on. I dont blame gamers at all for holding off until it meets their standard.

raWfodog23h ago

I seriously wonder who makes these types of decisions. Days Gone was a solid game. It didn't get that much love at first but people eventually saw the diamond in the rough. The ending basically guaranteed a sequel, but someone said "nope, let's pitch a LS game instead". And the yes-men were all "Great idea, sir!!"

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-Foxtrot1d 18h ago

Urgh. Jim Ryan’s sh***y GaaS plans still ripple across their studios even today.

Such a shame, they should have just been allowed to make Days Gone 2.

Sony need to truly let go of their live service plans once and for all.

OMNlPOTENT1d 1h ago

Agreed. I think the live service era is dead. Even titans like Destiny are starting to fall apart. Sony needs to shift their focus back to their single player games.

ABizzel11d ago (Edited 1d ago )

I don’t think the GaaS overall was a bad idea they’ve seen the success of others, however, forcing all your studios to focus on it was absolutely insane.

Those kind of games are backed by hundreds if not thousands over 1,000 developers working on those games year-round even after release for continuous new content monthly, quarterly, and huge annual or bi-annual updates. It was stupid to expect taking your single-player focused studios and have them become GaaS focused studios when many of them have skipped Multi-player modes the entire last generation (a stepping stone into GaaS).

He was after his Fortnite, Apex, etc… and I feel they could have found that by building a singular new studio dedicated to helping developers like Naughty Dog bring Faction 2.0 to life. At most they should have had:

Factions 2.0 GaaS (PlayStation’s Open World Survival)
Destiny 3 (Bungie needs to revamp Destiny)
Horizon GaaS (PlayStation’s Monster Hunter)
A new AAA IP

That’s it. I mean technically Gran Turismo is a GaaS so that could count, and an Open World InFamous meets DC Universe Online could work with custom hero / villain classes.

raWfodog23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

"I don’t think the GaaS overall was a bad idea they’ve seen the success of others, however, forcing all your studios to focus on it was absolutely insane."

What's more interesting is that SIE was not actually 'forcing' their studios to make GaaS games. I have to find the article again but it was explained that these studios knew about Jim's plans for GaaS games and typically pitched those types of games to SIE because they would have a better chance of getting greenlit for production. They were chasing dollars instead of their ideal games.

Edit: I found the article. Take it for what it is, lol

https://wccftech.com/playst...

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Obscure_Observer1d 17h ago

Sony literally sent Playstation studios into a death trap!

They forced studios into this GaaS bs just cancel their games midway in development and fire thousand of people in the end!

WTF is happening over there? Why those CEOs still got to keep their jobs after billions and billions dollars invested in new studios and games just to so many developers fired and projects canceled in the end?

This is the worst generation of Playstation! Period!

CrimsonWing691d 4h ago

Jim Ryan got fir—err I mean, retired.

anast1d ago

Jimmy followed Phil's advice.

23h ago
raWfodog23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

They didn't actually 'force' their studios, per se, but the initiative was certainly there.

https://wccftech.com/playst...

-Foxtrot21h ago

They didn't have a choice lets be honest, a new boss comes in and lays out all these plans....what are any of them going to do? Pitch a single player game with none of the things that guy is asking for? You're just asking to be given less funding, less notice, less resources and the like. or maybe you're scared incase the guy decides to get rid of you for someone who will actually give him things that he wants.

They didn't get brutally forced but they had no choice but to go with the flow or Jim would find someone who would.

raWfodog14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

@Foxtrot
No, they definitely had a choice but many chose the path of least resistance.

We have plenty of single-player, non-LS games that began development during the LS initiative. Those projects obviously got greenlit for production. These studios just needed to have good ideas for single player games, but most just chose to come up with half-assed LS pitches.

slate911d 16h ago

Can't believe Sony has been shooting themselves in the foot this gen. Abandoning what made them great to chase industry trends

Skyfly471d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Alanah explains the reasons why in this video which goes into more detail: https://www.youtube.com/wat... But its basically down to appeasing their shareholders

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Leslie Benzies Reveals Everything You Need to Know About MindsEye

IGN : Find out everything you need to know about MindsEye, the upcoming narrative driven single player action thriller with expansive creation tools from developer Build a Rocket Boy in this interview with Leslie Benzies, Founder and Game Director.