Witcher 3 is one of the most critically and commercially successful games out there and it is clear that 2015 was it's year. It has been more than a year since it's release and taking a look back is pretty much justifiable(Or not).
Loved the world, characters and story of witcher 3. I just didn't find the gameplay very interesting. Game as a whole was brilliant though.
I'm with you for the most part there. I'm sure we'll get disagreed with to oblivion, but I coudln't get into it. Lovely graphics, nicely realized world, but it just never hooked me. And I just signed back into the game to see how many hours I've played and all of my saves have disappeared. Well, not sure I'll ever get around to getting back into it now. Lots to like, but guess it just wasn't my jam. I wish I found it as amazing as everyone else.
I'm always baffled when people say they didn't like the gameplay of Witcher 3. Do you have similar genre games where you feel the gameplay is better? Just trying to get a frame of reference since I feel like Witcher 3 has spectacular gameplay. @below LOL - no you're the only one that thinks that absurdly about the game.
Glad to see I'm not completely alone. I thought it was one of the most over rated games I've ever played. Graphics were nice and the missions were mostly well written but the 2 things that are the most important in an RPG were both terrible. One of those is the combat, boring, repetitive, and just plain not fun. Part of this is because it's the only "RPG" that doesn't let you change your fighting style. You'll always fight with a two handed sword and the same spells. No sword and shield option, no option to be a Mage or a rogue. Nope, everyone is exactly the same. And this is all compounded by the other major fault of this "RPG". It's BARELY an RPG. The character progression is practically nonexistent. Your skill points go towards tiny insignificant changes. You start with all the spells, you just basically gain NOTHING over the whole course of the game. So at the end, after 100+ hours when you are level 35, you're still fighting the exact same enemies, using the exact same weapons, and doing the exact same crappy combat as you were at level 2. It's awful. I don't get the love for it. It's a 6/10 at best. As for similar games in the genre where the gameplay was better, it'd be easier to name you those that are worse, because there aren't many. Maybe Two Worlds. That game was garbage. I can't think of another worse RPG combat off the top of my head.
The gameplay was great, imo. I want to know what RPG games you guys think have so much better gameplay.
@thekhurg,.. Maybe people played too much Souls over the years ,.. and other games where combat does not suck and movement barely works in general,.. Witcher does lots of things right,.. lots of things are incredibly clunky(to the point you wonder what the fuck were they thinking,.. this shit barely works together,.. almost of not more clunky as Bethesta's RPGs in thidr person ,.. So yes this isn't very good company to keep in third person RPG)
@starchild you need to play more rpgs then. Even being barely rpgs, the mass effect games had far better combat than the Witcher games. Then you had other action rpgs like the souls series, Bloodborne and Dragons Dogma with far better combat than the entire Witcher series. Then Monster Hunter, Divinity Original Sin, Baldurs Gate 2 and so on and so forth. I like how the majority of things Thekhurg mentions about TW3 combat, Souls series did it and has always done it far better. Fast/slow attacks, roll dodging, parry mechanics, potions, variety of weapon effects, bombs, environmental effects and more were done far better in the souls games than the Witcher games. Theres a reason why TW3 took inspiration from the combat of Souls & Arkham games and not the other way around. Everything does not flow well together in the game either. The horse controls and mechanics pale in comparison to other games like Red Dead redemption, Legend of Zelda and Ass Creed. The combat is button mashy and does not even come close to any game I mention. You control geralt and his movements drags around even with the alternate movement system. Lets not even reach to the point in which the button mapping is poor with the same button for sprinting and the same button to get on your horse. He seems to forget that the majority of the internet just followed after TW3 and gave it high scores. Look at Skyrim, another game with scores that easily rival TW3. Does anyone in their right mind believe that Skyrim's gameplay is "smooth and flows together"? no.
@pyroxxx There is a negligible amount of difference between dark souls combat and many other 3rd person fantasy RPGs. You attack, you dodge, you kill things, you die. Just because a game is by default "hard" to the majority of the playerbase, doesn't somehow make the barebones basic combat mechanics present in that game some type of genre defining system that all other games should try to mimic. If people are complaining about a lack of challenge in Witcher 3, then put it on death march and watch a pack of drowners or wolves rip you to pieces if you charge in blindly. Nothing clunky to me about witcher 3 combat though. You have side-step dodges, roll dodges, fast/slow attacks, signs, parry mechanics, potions that offer a huge variety of effects, bombs, oils for damage boosts, modified skills based on how you've assigned character points. Then you have elevation mechanics while in combat, environmental effects, mounted combat damage boosts, etc... Everything flows together very well. If it were the clunky mess that the small handful of people on the internet tried to make it out to be, it wouldn't have been a near clean sweep of GOTY awards last year, wouldn't have 90+ metacritic ratings from both press and fans. It wouldn't be at 95% overwhelmingly positive on Steam or nearly 5/5 stars on the PS4 store. It's cool you don't like it though - not every game is for everyone.
Dragons Dogma is a great example of a much better RPG in every way. The combat and the character progression was miles ahead of Witcher 3. Kingdoms of Amalur is another from that same time frame that blows it away. Dragon Age series, much better as well. Elder Scrolls is way better. I know some don't like its combat either but at least your character evolves and things change in those games. I've never been a souls fan but they are clearly better games as well. I just don't get you guys with Witcher 3. It's one of the worst RPG's around. When it's a painful chore just to freaking walk across a room and pick something up, it's not a good game.
@starchild Transistor comes to mind immediately. Not the exact same style, it's a much smaller game but combat wise and story wise blows this game out ofthe water
@thekhurg "Nothing clunky to me about witcher 3 combat though. You have side-step dodges, roll dodges, fast/slow attacks, signs, parry mechanics, potions that offer a huge variety of effects, bombs, oils for damage boosts, modified skills based on how you've assigned character points. Then you have elevation mechanics while in combat, environmental effects, mounted combat damage boosts, etc... Everything flows together very well. If it were the clunky mess that the small handful of people on the internet tried to make it out to be, it wouldn't have been a near clean sweep of GOTY awards last year, wouldn't have 90+ metacritic ratings from both press and fans. It wouldn't be at 95% overwhelmingly positive on Steam or nearly 5/5 stars on the PS4 store". I completely agree. There's nothing clunky about The Witcher 3's combat. It's true it's not as deep as the Souls games or Nioh, which I'm also a big fan of, but it's solid, has decent depth and is fairly tactical. I also think it moves well and feels good to control. @sullynathan Nah, I play more RPGs than anything else. I forgot about Dragon's Dogma. The combat in DD feels kind of clunky, but there's great depth to it and it's pretty addictive and enjoyable. Outside of combat, though, it doesn't hold a candle to the Witcher 3, in my opinion. As far as the other games you mentioned, well, I don't agree at all. Mass Effect, for example, having far better gameplay? I love the Mass Effect games, but I've never felt the combat was all that deep, challenging or engaging. Certainly not the reason I enjoy those games. Anyway, to each their own.
It's really not the same when you start reading a book at the 3rd entry is it? I assume you played the previous 2 Witcher games... If not then you your answer as to why it wasn't enjoyable. @unholy Wow kingdoms of amalur is a better game to you?? Yea just gonna pretend I didn't read that. And for the record the Witcher is more of an action adventure with some rpg elements... I wouldn't call it an rpg and boy those dragon age games are overrated as hell... Especially inquisition... I wasnt their target audience there.
The combat in Wither 3 is great! The animations feel crisp and you can block, dodge, or parry and use a variety of signs to help.
I platinumed W3 and it took me like 3 month to get it (2 playthroughts, over 300 hrs). I praised that game like no other in this site, and I agree with @Unholy. The Witcher 3 does have a problem with gameplay, but I didn't mind it. Everything else was amazing. It was the story that kept me going, not the gameplay. My only problems with the game was Skellige. It was too boring and depressing to explore compared to Novigrad and the swamps. And like he said, the gameplay didn't change after 150+ hrs. My skills had litte difference and effects. And, the story had too much padding in the main missions. I sometimes forgot about Siri completely. Thank god there wasn't a trophy that required to loot all the places. Most were just random loot and cheap armor and weapons not rewarding at all. The praise the game gets doesn't hide its issues. People just didn't mind it enough to hate the game.
I actually thought the gameplay was better than everything else. The cutscenes were very "last-gen". Everyone just stood around and talked. Most boring cut scenes ever. And the cutscenes were so long on top of it. I still haven't beaten the game. Graphics are amazing, though. I wish Bethesda would take some notes. If we could combine The Witcher's environments and open world with Uncharted's cut scenes and Skyrim's lore, we'd have a pretty sweet game.
CDP are so underrate as developers. These guys pour everything they have into the games they make.
They are great devs, no doubt! The game is technically brilliant and the lore/story/characters are very compelling! It's just the fighting wasn't interesting to me.
Second to the Souls games I haven't played any RPG with better combat than The Witcher 3. I'm truly baffled by some of you. It's like you played a different game than me.
@starchild you need to play more rpgs then. Even being barely rpgs, the mass effect games had far better combat than the Witcher games. Then you had other action rpgs like Bloodborne and Dragons Dogma with far better combat than the entire Witcher series. Then Monster Hunter, Divinity Original Sin, Baldurs Gate 2 and so on and so forth.
Agreed. Very few devs out there that pour so much love into their games. Cdpr being one of the best. I even read the books and damn did they do an awesome job capturing the essence. But honestly after watching streams and some YouTubers and some reviewers play games... I'm not surprised some gamers would fund the game play clunky. I really really have a different outlook on gamers as a whole. I no longer believe many of them know how to play games well.
Its an amazing game especially in 4K
What do you need to run it in 4k? I just started skyrim in 4k and it looks great. Not sure the Witcher will run as well though. Edit:- i saw your comment below so i will wait until i upgrade my gpu, i only have a 970. Love the game though, i owned it on ps4 but plan on getting the pc version when i can play it at 4k. I think i need to make different choices in the game as well. I end up lonely.
I agree, I have to lock it at 30 frames and turn some settings down to get a decent 4k performance, but even with settings turned down it is a marvel to behold indeed. I sometimes find myself in somewhat of a quandary, do I play this with amazing graphics at 30frames or play it at a lower res 60 frames? I often go back and forth between the 2.
What difficulty did you play on? I thought the combat was amazing and the music made it even better. You actually had to study your enemy in battles.
Dude that royal Griffin embarrass me on Death March. It took me about 1 hour to kill it. But my first playthrough I played it on normal and on my second playthrough I played it on hard (Still didn't finish it on hard difficulty yet). Death march is only a challenge before you hit lvl 7-8, then game is a breeze. NTM I only got around 25 to 30fps in 4K. I have a GTX980 getting ready to upgrade to GTX 1080 by the end of June just for 4K. I still think it's the best action open world RPG today. The soundtrack is phenomenal. Got that for free for pre-ordering it.
Yep - Witcher 3 on death march was surprisingly more difficult than any From Software game I've played (King's Field 1 & 2, Dark Souls 1, Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3).
I really need to go back and try getting into this game again. First time I don't think I was prepared to take on a game of that scale, and was easily disheartened over a stupid death. Then just got distracted by other things.
It's definitely worth giving a shot again when you have time. Despite how I feel about the combat it is still a really good game that has been very well realised. The devs did a very good job with it.
Take your time. No rush. Make sure you do not miss this game though.
The game is good, but hardly "absolutely best game ever played material" hype these days...
Ok, what is then?
Did you play the game on the harder difficulties? Playing on "Blood and Broken Bones" and especially "Death March" is the best way to play the game. Playing on any other mode is basically spamming the "Square" and "Triangle" buttons (PS4) which get's boring really quickly. One feature of the game I refused to use was the difficulty slider (Skyrim and Oblivion have this too) since IMHO this actually spoils the game. I know some will disagree with me but if the going gets tough then you either come back when you have better weapons, armour, spells or potions not just wimp out and change the difficulty. Basically, this is sort of like a cheat but in reality, the only person you are cheating is yourself. Before I get a reply like "Oh what if you don't really have the time to play on higher difficulties". My reply is "You can play on an easy difficulty" or "Bib and Dummy" as I like to call it but you will enjoy the game less. Not having the time is IMHO not an excuse. Games like The Witcher 3 are RPG's and demand a considerable amount of time for you to play and just saying you don't have the time is a contradiction.
Yeah, it's up there. I feel like going open world took away from the brilliant story telling in witcher 2. The linearity works well with the branching political paths. That is the only thing that was "downgraded" in witcher 3 though. A phenomenal game, easily in my top favorites of all time.
It's definitely the best game this gen so far.
It was until the Uncharted 4 released IMO
Uncharted 4 is not a video game.
if UC4 isn't a video game then neither is Witcher 3
In linear areas UC4 looks better, large open areas looks better in the Witcher 3 on PC (compared to the driving segments in UC) .
Uncharted 4 barely has anything going for it apart from its voice acting and animations.... I consider life is strange a better narrative. A Doom game play much more fun. Uncharted 4 should have been that epic final entry. It wasn't and I know fans have still enjoyed it but the general concensus is its not as good as uncharted 2...sooo
sorry but 200+ hours of quality content is far better than 12 hours of quality content.
Well I think Uncharted 4 is a better game,.. As is Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne ,.. and probably Doom ,.. hell even Ratchet ,.. Game has amazing things (looks great, dialogs are great,.. Story is somewhat compelling, side quests are better than anything usually made for main quest in other games, lots of things to explore and interact with),.. but combat and movement systems barely work together. Hell if Dragon's Dogma and even Dragon's dogma Online don't have much tighter combat systems,..
Such trolling. *rollseyes*
Different opinion = trolling... @star That's something called disagreement. I am not entitled to agree with everyone's opinion. Hope that you know that.
@DragonDDark 'Game has amazing things (looks great, dialogs are great,.. Story is somewhat compelling, lots of things to explore and interact with),.. but shooting and movement systems barely work together.' And if someone said the above about Uncharted 4 I'm sure you'd be just as understanding and would fiercely defend their right to their own opinion wouldn't you? Haha somehow I don't think so.
You must have a problem with controllers. The movement and combat is phenomenal. Do you have issues hitting the enemies.. Because if that's the case then yea... It's fine if you like. Other games better but I'm getting tired of reading outright ridiculous comments of the game play. It's like me saying uncharted 4 climbing mechanics suck. It's nonsensical until you realize I was trying to climb with the d-pad
@starchild,.. When is the last time you've played it,.. Playing it right now,.. and still feels like shit,..(alternative movement does not help much. Gerald has so much momentum in movement it is barely playable,.. it is the same on PC,.. and it is not that it is over-animated (we have plenty of better animated games/animation heavy ,.. like Uncharted 4 you mentioned,.. but in Uncharted it actually works) (In Witcher 3 it is just wrong),... Movement feels like shit altogether (like controlling a plane underwater),.. Eventually I will learn to stop inputs way earlier again,.. but the game that makes me wonder every few minutes if my keyboard or controller is broken is not a greatest game ever,.. sorry just isn't.) and for all the shit I've spewed that is wrong with Dark Souls 2 ,.. It is still tighter game by a mile
Honestly, I don't like the Dark Souls/Bloodborne series because they have horrible controls and atrocious combat. Gameplay feels so clunky. I simply don't find those games interesting... but that's my opinion.
You can change the movement system so it's tighter/faster. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
in your dreams.
Nope. It's great but not best. Bloodborne is better and several others are at least it's equal. It's one of the best though. Better combat would have helped.
You missed off 'imo'. Imo witcher 3 doesn't hold a candle to Dark Souls 3 or Bloodborne.
better than minecraft ? :O Kappa
Yeah wish i felt the way the author did butttttt its not even in my top ten. After Skellig i just dropped it and never finished it due to boredom. Dont get me wrong the game is beautiful, i liked the characters and i think it does alot of things right, however as others have mentioned in the past, the combat just sucked imo. People say "oh so if it sucked what are you comparing it too? " I think the Souls series as a whole have spoiled many and also dragons dogma for others. In Souls games the combat is so satisfying, everytime you fight or use magic it feels satisfying and the reward after defeating a boss is so gratifying, in Witcher 3 i felt none of that. Combat felt so bland and i was detached from it. I felt like i was just pressing buttons and the ballerina bs animation every swing didnt help smh. Also hated the tons of dialogue. In a few months im going to try to get back into it but it was seriously boring to me. I respect everyone's opinion and know others feel the complete opposite. I also wish i could have enjoyed it as much :(
Yeah thats a very subjective subject since the gameplay in both are apples to oranges. I was actually the opposite with the Souls games since it felt like I was just botton smashing and grinding to level up.
button mashing in a souls game won't get you far. grinding has and always will be optional in a souls game.
Button mashing in souls games? Ouch...... I do in a sense button mash in souls the roll button but that's it. I really really wished I loved witcher it's something I feel I'm missing out on. It's a great game I know it is but I also think the combat was a task. It is what prevented me from really loving it.
I doubt you got far button mashing in a Souls game, it would just leave you open with no stamina to dodge or to block. As for grinding, how much you do really just depends on how good you are, people can beat it at Soul Level 1.
I feel like you guys are trolling because The Witcher 3 combat is much better than the Souls series.The way Geralt moves in combat actually feels like it's a real person unlike the stiff fell of the Souls games. You guys are crazy, this game blows away the competition for modern rpgs! You have to use tactics in the Witcher 3 especially at harder difficulties, I loved the dialogue as well.
I'm not trolling. I wish I loved it I really do.
So because it's better animated, it's got better combat? I do think it's better animated than the first 3 (Demon's, 1 & 2), but 3 and Bloodborne (if you want to throw it in with them) are much better animated them those too. As for tactics all you need is the bubble shield with health regen on hits and Witcher gear, with those the hardest mode isn't all that hard. Has fantastic dialog though, can't argue with that.
Trolling? Lol because we feel the combat is subpar and nowhere as fleshed out as say a game in the souls series? Just do a google search on "Witcher 3 combat sucks" and low and behold youll find tons of articles and discussion on forums. Thousands feel this way. Again i respect everyone's opinion but i take an issue when you say you think some of us are trolling, we are not.
https://steamcommunity.com/... Just an example of ppl thinking the combat sucks other than on n4g, this is from pc steam community. You can find same duscussion on gamespot, giant bomb, etc... No we are not trolling lol :)
I don't have a favorite game, but damn if it ain't up there. So pumped for another game length expansion.
Still my favorite game of all time on it's own. I already had pre-existing love for The Witcher prior to 3, but I kept my expectations in check. Ended up a mouth-breather by how breathtaking the game was. Everything about the game is an easy 10/10 for me. Will be a while until something tops it. Maybe Cyberpunk but we'll see.
I loved 2,still haven't played 3.Waiting for complete dlc edition.
When people love a video game more for its non-video game parts than anything. The gameplay is god-awful in this game. Don't kid yourself. Hopefully the CDPR apologists and fanboys at N4G here don't crucify me too much for thinking their new favorite benevolent developer isn't very good.
Yep. Which is why I stopped playing about half way through. Wasn't for me.