New petition aims to remove IGN’s Doom review ’cause it affects Metacritic

Stevivor -- Here we go again.

[CoNn3r_B]

"it’s his opinion of the game" a review is not an opinion, an opinion is a personal view on something where as a review is when you look at the features and functions of a game or product and make an assessment on its functionality and use. An element of objectivity is required because you are reviewing for other people and not for yourself, I don't care if his score is a 7 or not as long as he can back it up with valid arguments.

This petition is dumb though.

[Neonridr]

a review is not an opinion?

Yes it is. It is conducted by one person, putting together all the good and bad things that THEY think about the game and then giving it a score. It is totally subjective and completely biased towards the person conducting the review. Therefore it is 100% an opinion. The next person that comes along and reviews the game may pick entirely different good and bad points and would give it an entirely different score.

[rlow1]

I agree that games can be hard to standardize, but the same can be said for movies, books, and art. It's all about opinions in the end, that's why you take a sample of multiple reviews and get a general consensus from them. What I don't like is how people behave when a review comes out they don't agree with and start stupid petitions. All because the average score will fall, how dumb.

[Kleptic]

The fact that 'gamers' care about numbers related to scores is the real issue...

AS Neonridr stated...reviews are ALWAYS subjective. There are like 4 different objective metrics that can be placed on any one game (Does it work, are there major bugs, etc.)...everything else is subjective...

but then reviewers put with an objective score...and people actually care...IGN uses a freaking 100 point scale, which is beyond arrogant. They're implying that they're so expert they can break down subjective opinion on a scale that large? Media members also love to then move the goal posts when their objective ratings are criticized...stuff like 'well, this is in comparison only to other games in the genre, or games available at the time of release', etc.

Stop caring about numbers in subjective matters, and stop comparing subjective information against other subjective information...and everyone will be fine...

but petitions and that kind of crap...seriously, who cares...All it does is shows how childish this industry remains...

[MoreRPG]

This

[rainslacker]

A review is an objective critique of a game. One's critique will obviously be based partially on their opinion, however, the idea of a review is to present the information in a way that is meaningful for the reader, not for the reviewer to simply express their opinions on certain aspects of something. The ultimate goal is to explain how the objective critique, based on subjective views, makes the game bad or good.

It really shouldn't be that complicated, as it's a fairly simple concept. But there are some reviewers who don't realize that their reviews are not opinion pieces better suited for blogs no one cares about.

[Seraphim]

that's the problem and issue I've been raising for well over a decade. A review should not be an opinion but should be an unbiased detailing of what the game offers and is. Unfortunately reviewers, or critics (which they definitely should not be in the gaming industry) hold extreme biased and offer nothing more than a poor, often heavily biased and overly judging review. When it comes to information I trust Peer reviews much more than the so called industries. Until so called professional gaming journalists can provide an article, w/o bias, reviewing and rating a game for what it is, what it offers, and not based off their opinion (which in some cases goes as far to have a reviewer write a piece on a game/genre they hate) this so called gaming journalism industry is corn holed, bull shat, etc. I refuse to look to so called professional websites for info any game I'm on the fence about. Quit being uptight arrogant fooks and start providing the true service which is need in the gaming community for those who do need or look to what they believe professionalism.

[SavingPvt_Highon]

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself, nice comment.

[extermin8or]

Someone else that gets it I've been saying this for ages... It's funny because it's literally something they teach at school at gcse...

[CoNn3r_B]

The problem is when you try to tell people that you get downvoted to hell because they don't know any better. It's good to know that someone agrees with me however.

[SavingPvt_Highon]

Wrong. A review is an opinion of how the game was based on its entirety through one persons eyes. It's their opinion on how they think the game should be scored. If reviews wern't opinions then all review scores would be exactly the same.One person might hate its features/functions or functionality as to where another person might love it, hence different scores, hence an opinion.

[extermin8or]

Their opinion can feature but it should not influence the score or the overall review. The review should be a comparison as to the quality of the game, lack if technical issues does it have a competent story, that has structure etc NOT did you personally enjoy the story etc. The score at the end shouldn't be subjective but objective however a side paragraph containing their opinion towards the end is fine. The whole review following their opinion and the score as it is atm is wrong.

[extermin8or]

27 people here that if they have qualifications in English language from school clearly shouldn't. Basic gcse English covered reviews and one of the first things you are told "a review is not about your opinion per se, it's an objective analysis of something and it's quality in relation to what it's creators claimed it was, what it seems it set out todo and can feature your personal opinion however that should be the minority of your review because your opinion is completely subjective." A review should follow guidelines for quality etc something being enjoyable and something being of high quality and worth of praise aren't always the same thing- they frequently go together but they are not always the same thing. Sooner gaming edit reviewers realise that and I everyone else on here... The better. Ffs.

[extermin8or]

There however is 0 difference between collecting up all the scores to doing statistical analysis. In which case you clearly omit the Washington posts score of uncharted as it was half the value of the next lowest score in 100 reviews and you had an explanation for why the reviewer basically admits he was biased. The doom review however far as Ivw seen fits the general spread of data and so is fine. All this argument could be avoided if metacritic used some proper statistical methods to look through the review scores they collect not even complex ones but stuff a 5 yer old could do. Secondly as I said should feature opinion but should not be ruled by it otherwise jt is simply an opinion piece not a review and should not have a score. The Oxford English dictionary definition of a review support this. Its synonyms are listed as "critique", "criticism", "write up" etc. Which are further elaborated on as being defined as: "assessment, evaluation, judgement, rating commentary. " in that order. So an opinion should feature but it should by no means be the basis of the entire thing. Unless ofc American English has somehow managed to hopelessly skew that whilst crossing the Atlantic but here in Britain that's what it means.

[Gazondaily]

This is getting out of hand now. I propose we start a petition to end all petitions

[TwoForce]

That won't work. It will cause chaos.

[Relientk77]

Petitionception

We must have a petition within a petition

[OB1Biker]

How about a petition to acknowledge petitions as a means of expression?
There are petitions every day

[Gatsu]

I agree :/, what's wrong with gamers these days lol.

[Stereotypical_gamer]

I got it, let's make a petition to get rid of IGN and Kotaku and Polygon and whoever else we can think of who's opinion we don't agree with and we can call it "the petition to end all petitions". /s

[Paytaa]

I say screw petitions and mainstream review outlets like IGN. Rather, make your own assumptions about a game, take into account the opinion of reviewers who are not about bullshit like AngryJoe, and or read legitimate user reviews.

IGN has done nothing for me in probably the last 10 years. Back then they were solid, but now I have the hardest time figuring out why people still care about them.

[Deadpooled]

I sometimes go to see the comments calling out ign on bullshit and agenda, but I go on less since they switched from disqus to livefyre and recently changed the mobile site

[uth11]

I propose a petition to automatically remove any reviews or comments from the internet that hurts my feelz ...

[alvgamin4lif]

Won't it cause a paradox?

[Condemnedman]

these petitions are ridiculous . It's just someone's opinion and if you get upset over that you just trying to force your opinion on them. get a life saddo's

[oof46]

Then someone will make a petition to end petitions that want to end petitions. This is getting Monty Pyton-esque...

[Rookie_Monster]

At this rate, we might as well go back and do a petition for every review that one don't agree with for every single game. LOL

This is madness

[TwoForce]

I can see why : The compliant of Doom from IGN giving it a low score because it not COD. That's why people hate ign for giving COD high score every years. IGN is a freaking joke of the internet.

[OB1Biker]

I watched the latest Beyond out of curiosity they are full of it really.
I dont even understand how that site became so well known with so much incompetence.

[JackBNimble]

Explain how you know that IGN gave Doom that score because it's not CoD?

[MasterCornholio]

We can just create our own metacritics and be done with this.

Like if you really like a game just ignore all the low reviews and only take the high ones into account. That way you can get a metacritic rating that's personalized to you. I've seen people do this all the time on N4G.

[Eiyuuou]

Madness...?

THIS! IS! THE! INTERNET!!!

[game4funz]

Reveiws are by nature flawed...petitions to remove them need to be complete...either no reviews for games end of story or all reviews for games.

Can't have it both ways.

[YinYangGaming]

I really hope that Uncharted 4 butthurt fans haven't started something here... Reviews are personal takes on a game, seriously this needs to stop!

[TwoForce]

Here the real difference: The Washington Post the Uncharted 4 review and the person complain the game with no reason and giving too much detail the game. That's cause a lot people question that journalists for his unprofessional review.

@maniacmayhem Sure it was satire. But here the thing, it wasn't satire after all.

[maniacmayhem]

No, that is not the real difference. People thought that Metacritic themselves handed a 4/10 score for a review that fans thought was satire because they didn't want to believe that a person might not actually like the game. It wasn't until later and the damage was done that people then shifted the argument to the equally ridiculous "unprofessional review".

[OB1Biker]

@maniacmayhem
'...the damage was done ...'
What damage???
Letting every one know how crap that review was??? and how questionable MC and other media are???
I dont call that damage for gamers... like at all

[game4funz]

Who cares...I could question anyones "professional review" and say its unprofessional.
Its just a review. If it had been ignore as it should have been then this wouldnt be happening.

[maniacmayhem]

I said people used the excuse of satire. The petition was made because people thought that not only was the review satire but that MC assigned the score themselves.

[extermin8or]

Really metacritic should work like I have to work as a scientist right doing lab work. I get 100 pieces of data in all in about the same range (80-100) and then get 1 or 2 pieces in that are like 40- you discard the anomalous results especially if you can explain them (biased reviewer for uncharted 4 as he admits as much in his review.) it's a basic data analysis technique. However if you get 100 piece OS data in and they are all varying all over the place some are 90 some ranging 60-80, some are lower the spread of the data is larger so if a final piece cones in at 35 and there are some in 40's/low 50's the amount the data is off by is smaller and it's far more feasible that it's not been skewed by other factors so you'd keep it. If anythings omitted you state what and why. Metacritic could easily adopt this method and allow mathematical statistical methods to solve this problem for them.

[Deadpooled]

@extermin8tor

Yep a system as simple as that would get rid of all the clickbait troll reviews and encourage better reviewing.

@maniac

Do you not understand that the review had no score attached to it, Metacritic added their own score, that reviewer blatantly admitted satire for that "review", Washington Post posted another review with a higher score but Metacritic has not removed the old review score.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

You don't have to worry about that YinYang.

According to some on here only sony fanboys are capable of starting petitions. All others are above that petty pathetic nonsense. Petitions will stay contained among the 'contingent.' Petitions are 'contingent'-exclusive according to some on this website. 😂

Don't you worry about it spreading.

[MasterCornholio]

Uncharted 4 fans are delighted with the games metacritic of 93. Nothing to be butthurt over when their favorite game is critically acclaimed. Pretty sure the majority of UC4 fans enjoyed the heck out of Nathan Drake's last adventure.

P.S How easy is it to create a petition?

[Doabarrelroll]

Yea blame it on Sony fanboys. I guess bragging about paying online or getting DLC first is Xbox fanboys fault right?

[rlow1]

That has statement you made has nothing to do with a petition. Yes Sony fans were not the first to ever petition for something but they did start one for Uncharted and that opens the door for more idiocy towards other reviews that people don't like.

[Rivitur]

Nice b8 m8 I r8 an IGN 7/10

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

This actually started wit GTA 5. Websites just didn't report it

[Kemo_Spear]

Mass Effect 3 says "Hi" :)

[Chivas11]

Xbots would do the same thing but since they haven't had a single exclusive all year they can't start one but we will probably see one when Gears 4 comes out

[Phill-Spencer]

I wouldn't count on gears 4 exclusivity on xbox 1. Itwill probably be on pc too.
And before the xdefenders start again. It's not exclusive when it also comes to pc. "Same ecosystem- windows 10" doesn't count. So they have to wait a lil longer for an exclusive.

[jholden3249]

What a fanboy statement. Shame on you and everyone who agreed.

[OB1Biker]

'Reviews are personal takes on a game'
That....needs to stop.
Reviews should be assessing the quality of a game, not a reviewer personal feeling and state of mind

[Kemo_Spear]

YingYang,
Thanks for showing us all your true colors. Why is it that I am not shocked that someone who works for Thisgengaming (A totally biased website against Sony) would make such a statement?

You are not helping your website one iota.

[Fin_The_Human]

Can't wait for the GT Sport petitions.

[Null1980]

I wonder if we petition enough, maybe we can alter Alien Colonial Marine's legacy into actually becoming one of the best games ever made. At least in the eyes of reviewers. Duke Nukem Forever, I've got my eye on you!

[sapejakom]

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[Majin-vegeta]

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[theXtReMe1]

This has got to stop. Seriously, how is anyone ever going to get objective reviews of games if reviewers are afraid to give scores below a certain threshold, afraid of retribution in the form of petitions?

Doom is good, but you can see why in some reviewers eyes, its too old school for their tastes. Modern shooters allow for intricate character and gear progression, which gives games long term replayability. Dooms multiplayer is fun in short spurts, but I doubt it will have the same lasting appeal as its character progression seems superficial. Its saving grace is single player and Snapmap, but even Snapmap is limited... due to very few objects being available for budding designers to use, and even those objects dont allow for any variation from the main game... Making every map designed, still look like Doom. If iD releases new, more differentiated objects and textures for the game... then it will allow for gamers to design levels that look nothing like the main game and could even resemble that of COD or Battlefield. The saving grace is that iD said that they will listen to Snapmap fans and release new objects and features based off of public appeal. Lets just hope that they dont come too late. Ive been playing with the Sanpmap editor exclusively for the past week and love its ease of use, though find it too limited for its own good. Even If you think out of the box and design rooms with objects, you cant choose the textures or color on them in order to change the feel. It makes no sense to me why they wouldnt include the ability to change the textures of every object in Snapmap. It would, at least, make rooms feel different within the confines of the small number of objects you have available to use.

Regardless, this new precedent for starting petitions to change or remove review scores has got to cease. Otherwise, nobody is ever going to get a true opinion of any game released in the future... Only what the reviewer thinks people want to hear.

[DanteVFenris666]

The new doom game has more upgrades and progression then most modern shooters so your point is mute.

Multiplyer is an extra for doom the reason to buy it has always been for single player which it delivers

[rainslacker]

Petitions rarely change anything. People complain about review scores they don't agree with all the time, and nothing changes. People complain about the actual quality of the reviews, and nothing changes. People complain that people that shouldn't be reviewing, are, and nothing changes.

Basically, nothing changes, because the hits are all that matters to many sites. Some at least have some editorial standard for writing reviews, and some people actually do take the responsibility of providing a service to the reader responsibly, and until they start bitching about these other reviewers who make all reviewers look bad, not much is going to happen. Unfortunately, people would just think they're trying to censor poor reviews they don't agree with, instead of actually looking at if reviewers are actually qualified to do their job. People are more concerned with console wars than they are with quality reviews or journalism as a whole...which is one reason our reviews and gaming news has taken a nose dive.

Heck, even this comment section is rife with blaming Sony fan boys, despite Doom is a multi-plat game, and the fact that petitions happen all the time, but don't get any notice, because like this petition, they're completely stupid. Unfortunately, people then prescribe any petition which can be used for the console war is also stupid, ignoring any reason for valid complaint...but whatever, me complaining about it isn't going to change that either.

Edit @reply

I feel petitions are a way for people to band together to express their opinion or desire for something. When used properly, they can be effective. More often than not though, the stuff we see on change.org is pointless and kind of devalues what good a petition can be used for. For the most part, when it comes to comsumer practices in gaming, there isn't much point, because there are more effective ways of protesting....such as closing one's wallet and letting the company itself know that you don't support whatever it is they're doing.

[PrinceOfAnger]

I want a petition to remove petition.

[TwoForce]

That will cause chaos.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Mayhem, Catastrophe, Insanity... petition to remove petition is not allowed.

[Kemo_Spear]

Cats & dogs living together.....

[MasterCornholio]

Just fans fighting for the games that they love.

With that said I do agree with the community that while reviewers have the right to state their opinion, their opinion must be written in a professional manner.

Example:
I don't mind low reviews for Uncharted 4 as long as the review is well written and mature in tone. Not to mention justified as well.

[rainslacker]

True, but I don't believe the community should be responsible for taking down reviews. At best, they can highlight why a review is wrong, and if one author gets enough critique, the editors can decide if they're worthy reviewers, or maybe...although a long shot....reviewers will actually take critique against them and try to provide a better service.

[hardcorehenry]

Look at the crap you started, Sony fanboys! This bs is your doing.... as is most other negative things.

[MasterCornholio]

It actually can be a very good thing if you look at it properly. This means that in the future reviewers will be more careful of releasing troll reviews. I can imagine these petitions will give an incentive for reviewers to treat XB1 exclusives better which isn't a bad thing.

@Duck

And you think no PS4 owner played Uncharted 4?

Plus signing a petition takes two seconds to do.

Your argument is weak.

P.S Oh and I'm able to game and post on N4G.

Again your argument is severely flawed and can easily be proved wrong.

[hardcorehenry]

A good thing? AAA hahaha. You ponies always try to justify your bitchin.

[Doabarrelroll]

and a meaningless comment and existence is your fault can congrats

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Don't go blaming Sony fans for your birth.

[BiggerBoss]

Cry some more HardcoreHenry, I love the taste of Xboner tears

[Kemo_Spear]

Hardcore, if you want to be honest, these started all the way back to Mass Effect 3 (at the time, an Xbox exclusive). If there was one before that, I do not remember. So, think before you go full retard.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

You were so quick to show your fanboy that you spouted off before thinking and therefore look ignorant. There was a petition for gta 5 review for example as well as a bunch of other times it wasn't something that just started with the uc 4 thing. Next time know what you're talking about before you fanboy out and look dumb.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, Xbox fans only sign petitions to bring back heavy handed DRM to a console.

This petition is unjustified. There are better ways at addressing one's disdain for a score given, like posting comments on the website why they feel the review is unjustified.

The recent petition that your using again Sony fans was about the score assigned, which is why people signed, although the creator put too much of his personal views into it.

Otherwise, petitions for gaming related stuff has been around for a while. People abuse the petition sites to express their view instead of thinking if what they're asking for has any merit.

Anyways, so what if we get a petition for every thing? What, of any significance, have these kinds of petitions actually changed?

[sdcard4gb]

I have only one thing to say about IGN:
"2006. God Hand review. 3.0 out of 10."
No comment.

[Hold_It]

@SDCard
Lol! I was just thinking about that game when I read this article.
They gave it a 3/10 because bad at videogames.
Maybe we should petition IGN's existence, because that review for God Hand alone destroyed Clover Studios.

[sdcard4gb]

Nah, it wasn't for bad scores, it was for low sales, or perhaps, more like the sales CAPCOM considered to be low.
And not of God Hand, but Okami as well.
Same like it was with Team Silent and original Silent Hill games from which only SH2 sold well.

[81BX]

Here we go again.... people these days will cry about everything.

[MasterCornholio]

In the end petitions are the same ad reviews. That is they are just opinions.

Doom has a solid metacritic so I don't see why people are complaining about this. I mean IGNs review wasn't exactly a Troll review or anything.

[MasterCornholio]

Game sitting on a metacritic of 84 which is fantastic. So seeing a score of 7.1 from IGN isn't too far away from its metacritic. I've seen other reviewers give it much lower scores.

[Rivitur]

Where is the petition to get rid of ign entirely?

[OB1Biker]

Give me link when you get it pls

[Dirtnapstor]

The author is right, this is becoming insane.
If a review provides negative feedback, then it should be tossed? Nonsense.

Imo, Doom isn't that great. Looks good but nothing special here. It's the "Doom" name that's given it a leg to stand on thus far.

[senorfartcushion]

Sooooo IGN are the dirty ones and not the idiots making these petitions?

[OB1Biker]

Double Sarcasm?

[senorfartcushion]

No. I don't buy into loony toons saying that these sites getting paid off for reviews after the whole Jeff/Gamespot/Kane and Lynch thing. People accuse these sites of being paid off while ignoring the fact that reviews are pointless and well, you can't tell someone to like a game.

I get the answer: i watch the Youtube reviewers instead, the smaller people who most likely DO get paid off.

[rlow1]

So people complain about journalistic integrity, but they themselves become unethical in a brutish mob mentality. I understand people don't like the review and that's fine, but to try and get it changed because you want to raise its meta score is censorship plain and simple. If they are successful with that then where does it stop? The next bad review that the mob disagrees with will be handled in the same childish way.......grow up.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Why would loadouts be a negative? Maybe Doom MP should have stuck with weapon pick ups, but having loadouts isn't necessarily a bad thing. Gamers may still enjoy it that way, and it is not a game breaking system.

It's a pure subjective thing that shouldn't affect a score.

[dizeestl]

look at the can of worms that uncharted and sony fanboys opened now.

crybaby losers, so sick of them.

[BiggerBoss]

Mmmmm, your tears are so yummy, give me more

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Mass Effect 3 on 360 (Before PS3 got it) had a petition over review scores. So Xbots should be blamed. Crybaby losers, so sick of Xbots.

[Kerppamaister]

This is ridiculous. Just accept different opinions.

[shuvam09]

People are more interested in the reviews than the games itself, it seems..
If your thought doesn't match the the views of the review then stop visiting the sight. Simple...
Social life is so indifferent...
In real life, people never look at those whom they hate...
On internet, people can't ignore whom they hate...
SMH...

[BlackRiderRazil]

You know, all these petitions really only highlight the issue with numerical scoring and how much weight publishers put on the metacritic score.

They should be an indication that reviewing and scoring as it exists should change for the better. Either get rid of numerical grading or kill metacritics aggregation mechanic. Ideally, though, leave it as is and have publishers stop giving a shit about the numerical value metacritic assigns their product and focus on consumer response.

[PaleMoonDeath]

So others aren't allowed opinions? stupid, touchy internet folk. I swear this is the weakest generation of our time.

[hiawa23]

Really who cares. I am loving the game, what do I care what the meta score is? Simple answer, I don't, nor should u.

[franwex]

7/10 seems about what I was expecting from Doom. Review seems fair to me. If the name of this game was anything besides Doom no one would care. Moving on.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

What's the point of a review if people petition to have it removed?
An average had to take into account every score and unless it's an obvious troll, like people who score games 1/10 because they don't like the sound track (I seriously read that somewhere) then they should be left alone.

[TheColbertinator]

Hahah we should petition to end stupidity though I'd doubt too many would sign.

[opinionated]

It's obviously mocking the retarded uncharted fanboys.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Except while ridiculous it had some merit because that review wasn't a review at all it was a fan boy rant post that was created for attention that's all. Answer me this when you read a review do you look for opinions on the game play,level design, weapons,sound design,characters,length and if mp is included mp because if you read that "review" it didn't talk about any of that instead it focused on his hate for the series has a whole and how it should have stopped after uc 1. So instead of being a fan boy how about you actually put aside your bias and hold websites to higher standards instead of worrying about what game the system was on and maybe one day we can get rid of the click bait that passes has articles nowadays.

[opinionated]

Honestly, I don't read any reviews. I had no idea about this until the untarded 4 fanboys got pissy.

There is enough information from the developers the year before launch to know if I will buy a game or not. Walkthroughs, developer diaries, first looks. I hold these to a higher standard than any reviewer. Metacritic means nothing to me.

[MrZweistein]

Those petitions are so stupid! Who cares other than the developer may have an incentive on it?

[EDKICK]

Looking at the other petitions at the bottom really put how moronic these people are in perspective, petitions like stop the dog meat festival, save a national treasure etc. and your complaining about a 7.1/10 review. As someone who signed or made this petition is it really lost on you how out of place you are on that site? is it lost on you how petty and absurd your whining is when looking at other issue on the site? Are you really that disconnected from how the world works? Here's a tip ...people do things you don't like everyday. Everyday someone will disagree with your opinion. So if your so arrogant, ignorant, and idiotic that you can't handle someone disagreeing with you. Then throw all your games away, throw away your console/PC, throw away your phone or anything you can read reviews or gaming news on, all of it. Because gaming is built on people having different opinions, people making things differently, people trying to do something unique, people trying to stand out. That's how we have different genres and different games. That's how we have different types of reviewers, and different ways of reviewing. So if your really that insecure about someone having a different opinion then you, then the gaming industry isn't for you.

[GMR_PR]

This petition thing is getting out of control.

[Sweetbrandigirl]

I think Petitioning for a score removal is a valid action when it is obvious that a game has been maligned like Uncharted 4 was by TWP & Medacritic. That said I think the Doom Petition was done to intentionally make a mockery of the Uncharted Petition and delete its quickly rising numbers.

SIGN THE PETITION https://www.change.org/p/wa...

[rainslacker]

The only thing valid about the UC petition was asking the score to be removed because TWP didn't assign a score. That's since been muddied because the reviewer actually did give it a 4/10, which makes the score itself legit, however, some people believe it should have been on the review itself on the site, but that's an issue to take up with TWP, as MC wasn't at fault in the end.

I don't personally agree with TWP review, and I think the reviewer is horrible at his job due to reading the UC review and his other work, but that is no reason to ask for it's removal, as that crosses the line into censorship, which isn't a responsibility which should be placed into the communities hands....which is why this topics petition is pointless and wrong, as there are better ways of highlighting one's perceived deficiency of a reviewer without going to a medium where editors are going to stand by what they write, and not take the time to look at the content of what they publish.

At best, our responsibility should be to highlight poor reviewers, and a score which doesn't allign with one's own is not evidence of someone unsuited to the reviews they write. Poorly written reviews are plainly obvious regardless of score, and the score should be the last thing people mention, because it makes it look like one is just mad that they gave it a low score.

[Mike04]

And so it start lmao

[SegaGamer]

So many gamer's are embarrassing, they really are. No wonder why we get viewed in such a negative way. Acting like a bunch of children.

[Saijahn]

The whiny consumer strikes again.

[ClickbaitAF]

These petitions are getting pathetic at this point

[MetroidFREAK21]

Dearest gaming community.... Stop being ridiculous. Thank you

[Mithan]

I really love the new Doom game, that being said, I didn't find that much wrong with the IGN review. My personal score would of been a good 8.5 personally, as the action is solid, but you have to take into account that many people still don't like that return to an old erra, even if its done awesome. They want a game more like Dishonored.

[Tankbusta40]

His review enjoyed the single player, in fact what he didn't like was the two gun loadouts system as he wanted pure arena(which is being subjective and not objective... Review the game how it is not how you want it to be) oh and he called it short because he rushed it.

[Tankbusta40]

Hahaha I can't wait to sign any petition that hurts IGN, man that site has gone down the drain

[Eterna1Ice]

Fanboys need to chill.

[uth11]

Lmao

[ShadowKnight]

I managed to get an early copy of the game sevaral days ago, and man is it awesome! DOOM is probably the best FPS I have played since the 90s. It looks and runs great, the gameplay is fast and brutal, and the value here is huge! It took me 10 hours to beat the campaign, but the game also has a very fun multiplayer mode and a UGC tool called SnapMap, which makes DOOM's replay value literally infinite! Go get it you fools! I will see you in Hell :)

[Tankbusta40]

I agree with everything you said, campaign has taken me longer trying to find all the secrets, but I agree snap map is gold, what the community has already come up with is outstanding

[Cy]

This is stupid. The petition to remove the WP Uncharted review at least has a legit claim that it messes with the meta score unfairly because it was a satirical review. This is a legit review, and no amount of fanboy whining should have it removed just because it doesn't fall in line with the rest of the reviews.

Also, imagine the outcry if Activision tried to do this with bad CoD reviews, just for fun.

[-Gespenst-]

If people could put this kind of energy into solving real problems the world would be a much better place. Who cares about one 7/10 review for some brainless, juvenile game that'll be forgotten about in a few months time? Baffling.

Oh and of course IGN blatantly getting bribed to review garbage games favorably is scummy, but the Doom review at least seems honest. If they had trashed it I might have suspected blackmail on IGN's part because Bethesda wouldn't bribe them or something, but 7/10 isn't a bad score. Seems honest to me. Unless of course IGN were trying to make it APPEAR honest and to make any blackmail seem less obvious, but then, it's still a 7/10 so it's hardly blackmail because it's a good score.

[n1kki6]

People do realize this is ONE persons opinion of the game, and the reason METAcritic is a thing right?

[Big_Game_Hunters]

I wouldn't put it past Sony fanboys to do something as pathetic as a petition for a review, but this is getting ridiculous. Cmon have some self respect.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Yet you showed you're just as much of a fanboy. The uc 4 review petition wasn't the first petition ever against a review and it won't be the last obviously but you just couldn't wait to come here to call other people fanboys instead of rationally speaking about why the situation in general is bad and not specific to one group of fans so grow up and come back when you can actually contribute something to the topic.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Your logic is terrible. I'm a fanboy of calling people fanboys? i dont understand what you are getting at. Just stop man, i realize i must have touched a nerve so just do yourself a favor and block/ignore me so my opinions don't hurt your feelings.

[rainslacker]

You're a fan boy because you ignore what people were actually petitioning against in favor of calling out fan boys. The actual topic means very little to you, as you'd rather make it about fan boys, than about the more ethical implications which were being protested.

It turned out to be a non-issue in the UC case, but the principal people were on about is perfectly worthy of standing one's ground on. Ignoring issues in favor of calling out fan boys instead is how so many things we bitch about every day end up becoming commonplace.

When you say what you do, I see it as you saying, Sony fan boys are willing to stand up for their principals....which I don't consider a criticism, but rather a compliment. Granted, the principals were misplaced this last time, but that didn't become known until after the petition when someone finally decided to do some research to get to the bottom of it all instead of writing useless opinion pieces.

[MasterD919]

It's getting out of hand now with these petitions. At least put that same amount of effort into something that actually matters instead of a game review.

[WharenPeace]

You can't spell ignorant without IGN!

[PlatinumGX]

Casuals care so much about scores that they would rather make dumb petitions than play games. Such a insecure bunch.

[game4funz]

Oh boy. Thank you ps4 uncharted fans. Now look what youve done.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, UC fans stood up on a matter of which they felt was ethically immoral. How dare they. Burn them all. Cast them out. Slay their puppies.

[game4funz]

Actually no. Most don't understand the situation with the review and the others simply feel the review is unprofessional. They ganged up on a poor reviewer who gave a review they didn't like. It's really that simple. Reviews are not important enough to suppress the freedom of expression whether you agree with it or not.

By all means have groups of people determine what is acceptable to say or not say. Sounds like something that's already happened in history.

[rainslacker]

I saw plenty of people that understood what they were upset about. Don't mistake those that were just pissed off at the review as the same people who were more upset about the ethicacy of the MC issue. You paint them all as one color, but it wasn't.

The poor reviewer? Whatever. I read four reviews from the guy, and all of them were just terrible....even the positive one he wrote. The reviewer is terrible at his job. Go read my comment history, or the numerous comments on the review itself to see detailed descriptions and reasons why he's piss poor at his job. He brought that hostility upon himself by making a review which didn't even review the game, and instead used it to spew his hate for the series itself.

Please, since you seem to think people ganged up on him, tell me what was good about his review. What objective information did it offer? What information about the game did it offer? I see a lot of people defending the reviewer as people just upset with the score, but haven't seen one single person be able to give an analysis on why the review itself was properly written. Not one. So please, be the first.

I agree no one should have tried to suppress his opinion, but people were well meaning when they were asking for the MC score to be removed, which was the matter of ethicacy in question. I have never once supported the removal of a printed review, and never will. I only protested the removal of the score before it was made known that that was the score the reviewer actually assigned to it. However, people have every right to say why his opinion is wrong, and every right to point out why he's a bad reviewer. Neither of those things requires the removal of the review itself. I'd rather people stand up to bad reviewers and make their practices known than have to go through all this same nonsense on the next big game. The reviewers editors can decide if they meet the publications editorial standards based on the criticism, and if it does, and people don't agree with it, they can go elsewhere for their content.

In the meantime, reviewers have a responsibility to inform the readers, and a responsibility to represent the game for the industry itself. If they can't take either of those seriously, they don't need to be doing professional reviews. People apologizing for bad reviewers is worse than people calling out bad reviewers any day of the week, and it's why so many bad reviewers exist now, because not enough people are calling them out.

So no, it's really not as simple as you make it out to be.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Even though it began with the Mass effect 3 review on 360 which was petitioned first by Xbox fanboys.

[game4funz]

Never knew about that one. Now that I do it still doesnt change the fact that asking for a review to be deleted simply because you dont like the way it was written, heck the petition itself was written very badly. History repeats itself so Im sure that wasn't the first time either.

[Bytor]

I can see Uncharted it has as many perfect scores as reviews for Doom.Doom already dropped 3 more points shit Uncharted 4 already has enough 10's to drop the rest and give it the first perfect 10 game of all time.

[SavingPvt_Highon]

If you listen or affiliate yourself with IGN in any way then you are being deceived. IGN is a hack job and IGN can suck my hairy bean bag.

[JamesBroski]

"Please, remove the IGN's review that is affect Metacritic score so I can finally buy the game"

[iTechHeads]

Obiviousky a joke.

[thelaughingwiseman]

This is what I was afraid of. How fickle gamers can be. "Uncharted 4 has one bad review??? Peition that shit!!!" "DOOM has an average score on metacritic?" Some people want a petition, and most of the rest just end up saying "Who cares move along"

If you are going to complain about certain aspects in video games, at least be consistent with your complaints. Geez. It really shows bias in that you only end up complaining about something because it is in your own personal interest. Nothing to do with the object you are complaining about. The majority of reactions would weaken previous arguments.

[Swiftfox]

The passion is admirable, but in the end the message these individuals are tossing around is if you don't think or feel as they do, then you don't matter and don't deserve a voice. When I read reviews I tend to read the ones with low/ no score attached just to have a more rounded view of what people didn't enjoy and if I might not enjoy for similar reasons--especially if certain elements of the game are left out of the high rank reviews.

Think gaming as a whole would benefit more from this energy if it was use more productively within the bigger picture.

[rainslacker]

I tend to read lower reviews as well, because I do feel at times they can offer insight which other reviewers ignore or don't go into enough detail on. I won't go to ones that are so far off the averages to make them seem trollish though, because I know that they likely aren't quality reviews based on experience.

I don't think there's anything bad with taking in multiple reviews to get a better picture of if it's a game you'd want or be interested in, I just think one needs to be able to recognize what makes a good review, as opposed to what is just an opinion piece in the guise of a review. I think most people don't look past the score, and I'm afraid many people don't understand how to recognize objective analysis over soap boxing.

Other than that, I dont' really require reviews. Review has never affected my purchasing decision. At most, I use it for reference to know how people feel about games, or to help understand how to design games that will be enjoyable, because negative critique can be quite enlightening when delivered properly.

[game4funz]

Completely agree with you. More minorities are being suppressed now more then ever... Just never though it would extend to reviews in gaming.

[Hold_It]

Thank you Uncharted fanboys for creating a trend. /s

[game4funz]

I agreed with you.... When I removed the /s

[Ra3030]

I still have no clue why anyone cares in the least about what someone thinks no matter if it's positive or negative when they are being paid to think It. For the love of gaming form your on opinion as their are just to many options to get a look at a game before you purchase it. Twitch, YouTube, Ustream, rent the game, borrow the game. Medacritic and other review sites offer nothing to gaming.......IMO!

[milliniumstylz]

Why do people care about reviews this much. I'm sorry but get a life.

[dafegamer]

The review was crap anyway, just like the washington post review. Let them do what they want

[CrimsonGuardVII]

they gave it 7.1 and were the only 1 of 3 who gave it a negative score, because he was pissed about review embargo, i got into with one of alt accounts on the website, admittedly bad format and spelling, and he keep defending with his alt account he did nothing wrong and its just opinion, and i argued your opinion biased for the wrong reasons and reviewers should have standards when they review, but he kept repeating and downplaying my opinion saying only reviewers are allowed opinions, but no one else is allowed to. and he totally didn't get my polygon joke reference.

[FPS_D3TH]

You mean the site that keeps giving Call of duty amazing scores and extreme fanboys of uncharted? Ya don't say! Either way a reviews a review so suck it up, buttercup. Metacritic is garbage nonetheless.

[kevnb]

Why?

[troylazlow]

Isn't the point of Metacritic to average out all reviews, and provide you with a blanket score? If we pick and choose what reviews can be averaged out, doesn't that defeat the assistance of such a site. just because you don't like the results doesn't mean you can change the rules.

[rainslacker]

Truthfully, people shouldn't worry about the reviews, and if they are worried about them, they should find reviewers they trust, who possibly like the same things they do. people should care less about MC because it's just an aggregate, and plenty of reviews there to decide which ones you want to agree with.

However, MC itself does not just average out the scores. They do indeed put more or less weight on certain sites scores, because they believe that sites have a reputation for accuracy, and IGN is weighted heavily, although many think that its gone downhill. However, this means that MC is indeed defeating the purpose of it's own site by taking it upon themselves to decide which sites are more reputable. I think if the user could determine which sites they want to weight individually, it'd be the best service available. I would love nothing more than to be able to filter out scores from sites I have no respect for, or remove all 0-3 scores for the user reviews which are mostly pointless and more for trolling than people giving their opinion on the game.

[troylazlow]

or better yet read the review instead of just looking at the score or bullet points

[Shaun2k5]

While IGN's review is pretty terrible (Deducting points from DOOM for an average multiplayer but not doing the same for Uncharted 4 screams of bias) they are entitled to their opinon.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Well maybe because uc 4 mp isnt average it's actually pretty good which is what most reviews have said while doom got away from what it was originally to try to attract that cod crowd and old school fans are understandably upset.

[Surt]

DOOM sits pretty with 84. All well deserved. Its a great game. Stop the bleeding dumb petitions.

[CJQNSNYC]

Okay. How about a petition to remove petitions?

This is just getting out of hand! I guess common sense is a thing of the past. If you don't agree with a review, which is simply just another opinion, ignore it and form your own! How difficult is that? Disagreeing with an opinion doesn't mean it shouldn't exist at all. People are crying to have opinions censored, of course until THEIR opinions are censored.

[game4funz]

Your opinion on the whole mater of others people opinion being that others' opinions be censored should be censored...jk

:) it's common sense and just seems to be absent in most people nowadays.

[quent]

Nice work fanf*cks, keep up the great work, who needs free speech.

[Ark_]

You just contradict yourself by complaining about their efforts and opinions. You see that, don't you?
If you like free speech: Let'em have their petitions. It's just quirky. My suggestion: take it with a smile.
... it will be forgotten next month anyways.

[Trekster_Gamer]

If you are for any petition to CENSOR any review for any game you are a whiny arse little child....

Waaa Waaa Waaa I don't like how they talked bad about my game... Waaa Waaa CRY Waaa!!!

Get a life!

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

I fear that this is about to be a new trend!

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

Lol IGN reviews are a bit all over the place... That time they gave Evolve a 9/10 and Alien Isolation a 5.9/10 crazy stuff

[PygmelionHunter]

Geez, no one saw this one coming.

Well, sh*t.

Now, when we actually need to start a petition for something important, people will laugh at it because some crybaby in 2016 started a trend that might as well be a mating cry for morons with no foresight that would actually loose sleep over a review. Good job, gaming community. You never cease to amaze me.

[TC731]

LOL how dares a critic have an opinion! Probably a Bernie Sanders supporter...moan and whine until you get your way.

[CrimsonGuardVII]

a opinion is not what this about, your complaining about opinions too, what its about inconsistencies with ign reviews lately and how they look bought and sold. and if not they always have a negative reviews to those that don't conform to there policy.

[Kallisti]

Well, you know what they say, "You can't spell ignorant without IGN."

[ScorpiusX]

Boo hoo Who cares . Enough with the useless petitions already .

[eyeDEVOUR]

Censorship from socialjusticegamers.... Facepalm

[Segata]

I knew gamers would start a bullshit trend. Granted the UC4 one was wierd on metas part but I knew would start a trend of petitions to remove any bad scores from AAA games on Meta. It's more pathetic the people making this petition than any IGN review.

[talocaca]

I gotta say that IGN should really drop scores.

I don't have a problem with giving the game a number, but in the case of Doom (and even Uncharted 4) it doesn't seem to represent what they described in the review.

It's like they love everything....then they find one negative point and ends up being a 7.

[Artemidorus]

Why arr people caring about a score? Go judge for yourself by playing or at least watch a gameplay video.

[MCTJim]

hahahahahaha another petition to have a review removed...if it takes away from your enjoyment of the game that much or it effects you so much....you need to go outside more

[DrumBeat]

Man what the hell already? I love DOOM but let these people have their opinions.

[MBobko55]

LoL People Crying Over Metacritic Score HAHAHA.. People Really Are Cry Babies. Who Gives A Crap.. PLAY THE DAMN GAME AND ENJOY STOP BEING KEYBOARD WARRIORS.

[EazyC]

I approve of petitions when it's campaigning to have some dog-lab testing facility shut down and the perpetrators to be put to trial for animal abuse (as I signed the other day), but not this sh*t.

[Devil1870]

HOW DARE YOU TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN MINE!

i fucking hate this community sometimes.

[MagicBeanz]

"We tried to be pretty neutral when this happened with Uncharted 4," lets be clear what happened with Uncharted 4 was a completely different situation.

[Hawxe_Jaeger]

Hey guys you know what we should petition for instead? To have metacritic hide the actual score average behind a number that ranges between 90-99. That way all the little kids are happy and if you wanna be an adult and see the real number you hover your mouse over it.

[Brohan]

Metacritic is a joke.

[showtimefolks]

so is this the new trend now? come on it's one review who cares

if people actually want honest reviews than look for some on youtube. most big sites are funded(advertisement wise)by big game publishers

angrycentericgamer is my go to reviewers
angryjoe(he is late but honest)
chicago charlie

[jojo319]

Why don't they just toss out the top and bottom scores like they do in some Olympic events. That way one score doesn't artificially inflate or lower the average of the game. There's only one word for the way a site like that does it: Dumb.

[tee_bag242]

Geez.. let it go. Only fanboys care about metacritic scores anyway.
IGN are a bunch of shills and we all seem to know that now.

[CanadianTurtle]

Honestly, if you're interested in a game but you choose not to buy it because of some half-ass quality reviewer gave it a bad score, then it's your loss. There are thousands upon thousands of websites/reviewers that offer reviews other than IGN. I can understand if you were the developer, then you'd probably worry because a lot of people habit IGN's website and take their reviews as "definitive opinion." It's even safe to say that a low score from big name sites like IGN/GameSpot could potentially cause lower sales. But most adults understand that reviews are just opinions. That's literally all they are.

[Tankbusta40]

I could write better articles than this and reviews, shame I have a history degree

[Hotabang]

sucks to be a gamer these days, so many whiny ppl

[Kreisen]

So now well have a petition for every game that gets lower then 9/10? lol

[Captain_Mushroom]

Here's the bad news: pathetic fanboys think they can actually change metacritic because they don't like one's opinion.
Here's the good news: they will have ZERO impact on metacritic or any other website (be it Washington or IGN).

But you can certainly go ahead and try for every last review you don't like. Seriously, when did the gaming community become such an entitled, whiny and bitchy group? I'm sure metacritic and all the other websites are laughing all the way to the bank, thanks to your number of clicks and publicity. Get a life.