Rockstar Games Having "Tremendous Success" With its PS4 Releases of PS2 Games

During Take-Two Interactive’s quarterly financial conference call, CEO Strauss Zelnick talked about the performance of Rockstar Games’ PS2 titles recently released on PS4.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

I'm haven't given up on Agent yet

[poppinslops]

You probably should - the last bit of info on Agent came from one of Rockstar's environmental artists, who was taken off the game in 2009 to work on GTAV... his work was solid (he released a bunch of concept images), but he never went back to work on Agent and has since left R*.

Yes, they're holding onto the name, but who wouldn't? It's a good name for a game - one they might eventually decide to make - but the odds of their next game being anything other than Red Dead 3 are very, very low... that leaked map ('authenticated' by Shinobi602) was the clincher, plus Take-Two have all but confirmed it.

[freshslicepizza]

they would also have great success if they could put ps3 games on it too. does playstation now have rockstar games?

[gangsta_red]

Good to see that the classics are still being played.

[poppinslops]

I think the only way a game (or any work of art) can be defined as a 'classic' is by transcending it's 'life-cycle' and being enjoyed for years after it's release - which is why I can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want backwards compatibility... at the very least this report shows all these "backwards compatibility is worthless - no one uses it" types how ridiculous they sound.

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Wholeheartedly agree but it's a case of sour grapes in my opinion. I remember years ago on n4g during the Dual Shock debacle how people agreed with Sony's hollow words of controller vibration being unneeded so I am not surprised of the yes man reaction to this issue as well.
I don't want to want to repeat myself on why I think backwards compatibility is a great add-on especially during the early years of a new console but a lot of modern gamers disagree on the notion of some games being timeless.

[Angeljuice]

Accept your perception of what makes a classic isn't shared by everyone and figures show that a tiny percentage of people with backwards compatibility on their system actually use it regularly.

So no, they don't sound ridiculous at all.
No figures have been released so any success is relative (the highest selling title could have 50k sales for all you know).

[poppinslops]

Amazon just reported sales for CoD:Blops increased by 13000% - it's number 2 on their charts... UK stores are reporting the game is now effectively 'sold out'.

80000 players online, and noone's using it?

[joeorc]

@poppinslops2m ago
[I think the only way a game (or any work of art) can be defined as a 'classic' is by transcending it's 'life-cycle' and being enjoyed for years after it's release - which is why I can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want backwards compatibility... at the very least this report shows all these "backwards compatibility is worthless - no one uses it" types how ridiculous they soundsound]

" "backwards compatibility is worthless - no one uses it" types how ridiculous they sound."

I would say its a little bit of both.
Being its not being seen by a number of gamers as a useless feature , but at the same time it does show its not as big of an importance as many are trying to make it be as a lever in console wars.

What it shows is people are willing to buy older games on a newer console again. Yes backwards compatible console saved the consumer money..but all last generation the Xbox360 had very few BC with original Xbox games and many gamers stated..I bought my xbox360 to play new game's.

While many made fun of PS3 Users stating we had backward compability.. But again many stated ..what.you have backwards compability..? Those...games that I can play already on my PC with Emulation!

Now it's being made out to be this big thing because Xbox one has it but PS4 does not..its ironic that while the xbox360 was easy to code for and PS3 was such a pain in the @ss..now backward compatibility is being made out to be the "Must have" function when Sony had backwards compatible system even up to the PS3 and it was counted by many as not that big of a deal or meh..

Or downplayed because I can just Emulate that game on my PC!
Gamers throwing it up in the face of playstation gamers face now..

well that is good call for those to have that attitude but let's see how this plays out in the future when game consoles evolve further.

I'm going to bet its not really going to matter all that much like it really has not have that big of a deal already as is.

[sammarshall102]

I thought Xbox owners were only playing Black ops because they had no new games to play /s

[Germany7]

Many games of Rockstar are avaliable already, but please, don't forget about Manhunt 2, Max Payne 2, Red Dead Revolver and The Warriors.

[wars1986]

Manhunt 2 with censors is horrible, ruins the game. I still have my CFW psp with the uncensored version on it.

[Silly gameAr]

I still have my PS2 version of the game.

[RosweeSon]

They'll be here

[P_Bomb]

Picked up Bully and Max Payne from their set. May get Manhunt during a lull. Good fun, especially since cheats don't disable trophies. There's something liberating about that.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

Definitely! Games really need to stop disabling trophies when using cheats, or come up with a new solution. It always persuades me in a lot of games to not even use them, which is terrible. It's not like these GTA games are easier than other games in terms of trophies either.

[CorndogBurglar]

Lol what?

Trophies are meant to be earned by completing specific accomplishments. Why shouldn't they be disabled if you used cheats to get it?

Thats the equivalent of saying its okay to go to a test in college with answers, or even your notes hidden in your sleeve. You really aren't earning the trophy as intended if you use cheats to make it easier.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

@CorndogBurglar

I understand what you are saying. Hmm. Maybe I need to explain this a different way. Basically, I feel like trophies (or at least some) should be created with cheats in mind. Trophies shouldn't always make the player feel that they shouldn't be using cheats. Whenever you activate cheats in modern games, they give you a stern warning, deactivate trophies, turn off autosave, and just kind of make them feel like a hassle to use. "Can't get any trophies - lets not use them to be safe."

As I was saying, maybe they need to come up with some solutions for this. Example, a trophy for activating a cheat and achieving a heightened challenge based around that cheat. For example, you've activated Explosive bullets - blow up 50 cars in a minute. This challenge would be borderline-impossible usually, but it would be a nice reasonable challenge with the cheat enabled. Trophies shouldn't clash with cheats as much as they do.

[P_Bomb]

@corndogburglar
Who says the cheats have to be tied to the trophies? Spawning a rhino has nothing to do with finding all the collectibles. Having a money cheat to buy all the vanity items like clothing has no bearing on finishing difficulty x,y or z.

These rockstar ps2-ers are dinosaur games that I've already owned and finished multiple times anyways. Big part of the appeal for me has been replaying these games without trophies getting in the way and disabling things I used to enjoy doing.

It's kinda liberating to just have fun again and knock off a stress free 100% without grinding your way through 33hrs of Minecraft survival mode only to have the developer accidentally glitch the trophy out with a patch. Which they did. Digital copy here, stuck at 98%. Thx mojang

[RosweeSon]

Still great games even now. Bought GTA3 for its soundtrack alone the fact the game is epic is a bonus.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Vice City had the all-time ultimate game sound track hands down.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah I've got that to come but I loved the tunes on GTA3 Gaaaame classics... I'm the King produced by Alchemist. I'm a ride til I can't ride no more ;)

Vice city is great as well tho can't beat a bit of Jacko when you get on your first moped.

[Oschino1907]

I would argue the game in my avatar Interstate 76 had the best video game soundtrack ever. It was composed by the founding member of Third Eye Blind and featured many other accomplished musicians. Also the music was all original.
http://interstate76.wikia.c...

My runner up would be Streets of Rage series also with all original and at the time groundbreaking music.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Although I will say I do very much enjoy every GTA soundtrack from the original to V.

@Roweeson, referring to arguably the greatest musical performer of all time as "Jacko" shows you have little to no respect for him and honestly you aren't worthy of listening to his greatness.

[XanderZane]

I had the bonus soundtrack that game with the collector edition. It's a large box with a 5 pack CD. It looks like this. Mine was still sealed as well. This it may be in storage.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW...

[mozzie]

What really astonishes me is that BC even allows you to play against other Xbox 360 players AND use xbox one features like game DVR or screenshots on top of that. that's some awesome work there which MS did.

[Jon_Targaryen]

How dare you compliment a company for innovating and removing all the stops!!!

[supraman21]

This whole BC thing has made me ashamed to be Playstation fan. So many salty fanboys that are jealous that Xbox has BC and the PS4 doesn't. BC is a big deal and its a big deal that PS4 doesn't have it. We are getting milked by having to buy games over again.

I'd be more Ok if all these developers went the Insomniac route and totally remade their games and charged a cheaper price. So far I had the most fun playing Ratchet and Clank. Never before have I finished a game and started it all over again after the credits.

[Silly gameAr]

Can you point me to where these salty fanboys are? What I see is indifference, and other fanboys trying to throw BC up in people's faces and then getting laughed at.

[ShaunCameron]

Who's we? Judging the sales of the remasters (TLOU, GOWIII, etc.), PS4 gamers don't really share your sentiments that they're getting milked.

[jcnba28]

You'd think they'd release a physical copy of the GTA trilogy.

[USMC_POLICE]

Midnight club 2&3 please!

[XanderZane]

Hell yes. Give me the DUB edition as well.

https://capadedvd.files.wor...

[USMC_POLICE]

That be 3 bro lol

[esmittystud101]

Hoping PS4.5 has B.C. feature. I really want to play a few PS3 exclusives thats actually not on the PS Now serivice. To be perfectly honost, I really don't want to stream games. I'd settle for download if thats all they offered but would rather be able to go on Amazon or somewhere and buy a brand new disc. Especailly older games, even new for a disc is usually no more that $20 at max for those older titles. Have found some for like $8.99 or so.

Now comes the part which confuses me the most and kinda worries me. Everytime I post something regarding the new PS4.5 having a chance of being able to have the B.C. feature.........a non PS4.5 buyer (usually a regular PS4 player) argues that we don't need the feature and thinks up of anything they can to say how the feature is either not wanted or I should just go out and buy a PS3. I would just go out and get a PS3, but they are still $299. With the success of the B.C. feature on the Xbox One (Cod BO1 sales are up 13,000% this week, yes thats 13,000%) why wouldn't Sony want this. The most played game I've had these past two month is Dark Souls on Xbox 360 using B.C. feature.

It would steal the show at E3 like Microsoft did last year with there B.C. announcement.

[joeorc]

@esmittystud101

As i Look and read your great post..thumbs up by the way.
√
its not about why would Sony not want it ..its because you just cannot add in the hardware without being a high cost or the emulation software would just not be very cost effective or practical. Because of how it would need a redesign on top of adding in such a chipset or on too of existing chips..

Unlike the Xbox360.. You just cannot add the CellBE chip set and that would allow you to run the PS3 games..there is several problems.

One of The big problem's is how the data was moved and coded for the PS3 with its EIB..that bus in there was 204GB/sec!

The Bus connection to and from the iO in the current PS4 is not designed anywhere like that of the PS3 let alone that PS3 EIB.

The xbox360 has no such limitation when the design of the Xbox one is designed "like" the design of the power PC design of that xbox360 even though the new Xbox one is x86.

The xbox360 processor was a PowerPC design on its processing chip. The PS3's processing chip design was a hybrid core chip design a GPCPU/GPU design.

The SPE' processor's they are graphics acceleration processor design..they are not just s simple coprocessor.. Those SPE's are full compliance code to metal processor with its own local store , that was not just "cache" but real Local store of 256Kb of local store memory!

[whitesoxfalife1976]

"joeorc"

during the ps3 era there was nobody downplaying the BC at all its just you right now saying all that. If any i remember the SONY fans were pissed that Sony took the feature out in later revisions. Sony reasoning was to cut cost down.

BC has been going on for years dude. All the way back to Gameboy color.
Your favorite system started with ps2 playing ps1 games and ends with PSNOW

PC doesnt count in the BC well its a PC!!!!

When MS announced BC on 360 We were all excited for it, it was matching the ps3 for BC but it was not fully supported by MS with its limited catalog. Still nobody really complain just were happy that they did it.

These same arguments yall having today has been going on for decades. jus sayn

[joeorc]

@whitesoxfalife197632m ago
"joeorc"

[during the ps3 era there was nobody downplaying the BC at all its just you right now saying all that. If any i remember the SONY fans were pissed that Sony took the feature out in later revisions. Sony reasoning was to cut cost down. ]

What? Day one the PS3 had backwards compability off the batt. And when games were slow to release for the PS3 many said ..we can play PS1 & PS2 games along with PS3 games that have been released.

Many gamers did in fact pointed out that , PS3 gamers saying we have backwards compability pointed out how the xbox360 was getting new games..and many said I am not paying $599.00 just to play older game's.

Sony removes backward compatibility.. Hardware & software in order to lower the cost of the system.

That in fact was stated over and over all over the internet.

[PC doesnt count in the BC well its a PC!!!! ]

Tell that to Microsoft now, because Microsoft has a whole other tune this generation.. Xbox & Windows 10 are = as one unified platform.

[Lord_of_Cinder]

Looks like PS4 backwards compatibility solution is working fine for the publishers, gamers and Sony.

[Jon_Targaryen]

This is not BC. This is rebuying a game, plain and simple. BC is if you already own the game then just pop in and play. This is capitalizing on peoples nostalgia.

There's a difference.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

X1 doesn't play 360 games off the disc. The disc is used for authentication of ownership and a digital copy is downloaded to the HDD and ran through an emulator. While still free, no rebuying of the game, it's not technically BC. PS3 models with BC were actually BC.

@nowitzki2004

I only own the original San Andreas (AO rated Hot Coffee version) for PS2 and many PS3 games since I still have 2 PS3's in the house.

[nowitzki2004]

How many PS2 games do people still have? Last time I checked to play a game with BC you need to own the game, meaning if you dont have it then you have to buy it.. I have RE4 PS2 version and thats it (0 ps3 games), pretty sure thats more than most people have.

And he is saying that Sony might look at this and see that there is some demand for BC and come up with a quick solution. Hes not saying anything about it the way it currently is or anything like that lol.

[InTheZoneAC]

I bought Bully, but won't buy the older GTA's because they are so clunky and bland compared to V, just shows how much of an improvement they have done since. I don't think the older GTA's have aged well at all.

[whyisthehorsestaring]

Hurry up and release The Warriors then.

[Jon_Targaryen]

I bought GTA Vice City years ago on PS3 via PSN... Now I have to rebuy it AGAIN to enjoy it on my PS4 too? Not gonna happen.

This isnt BC... ITS A RIP OFF!!

[TwoForce]

Sure, but remember Sony used this back in PS3 days. You can buy PS1 and PS2 games on PSN. For me, it's no surprise that Sony use this again on PS4.

[TheUndertaker85]

PSOne games are playable on all models of PS3... Even discs.

Said this multiple times. There's really zero reason why the PS4 shouldn't be able to do the same.

https://www.playstation.com...

Newest PS3 model manual; Check pages 12 and 13. PS2 software is a no go though PSOne software works, both digitally and physically. Again, every single model of PS3 supports PSOne games.

Further not every PS3 that allowed BC with PS2 games had the PS2 chip inside; Certain iterations allowed PS2 BC via software emulation. This is also noted in the manual as a definitive yes for PS2 playback became limited compatibility, as can be seen in the manuals.

60GB PS3; Page 19 highlights PS2/PSOne options
https://www.playstation.com...

80GB PS3; Page 4 lists limited compatibility followed by pages 21 & 22
https://www.playstation.com...

[XanderZane]

I would just used my 60GB PS3 which is 100% B/C with all PS1 and PS2 games. Why would I ever re-buy these games? I already have them on XBox 360 digital anyways. Just waiting for B/C so I can play them on my XB1. Along with RDR, ManHunt 2 and RS presents Table Tennis. Make it so MS.

https://images-na.ssl-image...
http://vgboxart.com/boxes/3...
http://www.covershut.com/co...

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Xand- "Why would I ever re-buy these games?" ??

When did those games run at 1080p 60fps with trophies?

Just saying bud, I also own a PS2, PS3 and PS4 and I'm pretty sure I never owed a 1080p 60fps version of those games prior to PS4.

[joeorc]

So let's get this straight..

Sony has the PS2 and you could pop in PS1 discs and play game's.
Sony released the PS3 and you could pop in PS1 and PS2 games on the PS3 and many stated I am not going to pay $500.00 & $599.00
Just for Games I already played.

Fast forward today now its this big factor..

Funny thing is:
Xbox360 games still on shelf.
While PS1 & PS2 are not only 2nd hand, so that just means Mainly about PS3..games

Ironic thing again Microsoft has stopped production on xbox360 systems.

But Sony is still selling PS3's what happened to the PSVita when all of its main games was ported to the PS4 mainly?

Carry on than.

[_-EDMIX-_]

" Now I have to rebuy it"

? "have to" ? Why? Who put the gun to you're head?

Also...whats with this "rebuy" When did PS3 have a 1080p 60fps version of that game? Ummmm sure bud.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Yes "have to". Seeing I already own it on PS3 one would think I'd be able to just download it again on my PS4.. Nope doesnt work that way...

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Yes "have to". Seeing I already own it on PS3" Why do you "have to"? Who is forcing you to? Or do you not understand what the concept of force is? LMFAO! Do you have a problem? An addiction? Pretty sure the terms of force or "have to" don't apply to this bud.

" Seeing I already own it on PS3 " OH you own one that is 1080p 60fps with trophies? Link?

That is as dumb as saying you own a VHS copy of Titanic, thus the DVD copy should be free as you um " "have to". Seeing I already own it"

Do you? You own the VHS version, not a uprezed DVD version, not a upscaled 1080p Bluray version, not a upscaled 4K version. Thus.....when did you buy a 4K version of a VHS film?

Do you still not understand you are not talking about the same things orrrrr?

"Nope doesnt work that way" It doesn't bud, it doesn't work that way in regards to you buy one version, thus own every version that will exist in the future. What damn product do you know that to even apply to?

Music? Do they just go out and give you all the future albums that have at track on it, that you owned years ago? Do you get all you're MP3's for free by the studio because you bought the cassette?

Film? Do you get all the future versions of films for free because you again own the VHS? ie DVD, Bluray, 4K etc?

Sorry Snow, that has NEVER worked that way before, not sure why it would apply to this. You own a game that was made for PS3, standard definition with a select amount of features.

You do not own the IP, you don't have a RIGHT to all versions that will release in the future. Read you're EULA buddy, get back to me and show me where any consumer had the right to the IP and all future versions of it, regardless of how close the previous where to the current.

[joeorc]

@Imalwaysright8m
[Those €600 were mostly due to the blu ray drive. At the time the least expensive blu ray player cost more than a brand new €600 PS3 and Sony lost money on each and every PS3 sold. If you want to "blame" something for the PS3 price, "blame" the fact that Sony had interest in winning the format war]

Format war? See that's the very misconceptions I was talking about.
Sony along with 22 other optical drive manufacturing companies back in 2002 already was geared to back Blu-Ray. Reason why Blu-Ray was already set to go on to the market in 2003. Which it did in Asia and Japan.

HDDVD was not even ready than. The only reason why there ever was , because Toshiba which was the only manufacturing company making HDDVD drives wanted to go against the majority in the DVD forums. And Microsoft because the Blu-Ray consortium group chose BDjava over iHD control software.

Think about it..1 manufacturing company vs 22 of the largest optical drive companies Toshiba & Microsoft did not have a chance of winning that. They could extend the time to market as a "spoiler" but not win it.

They came out cheaper yes, but Blu-Ray was just the more mature and ready technology's.

Sony worked on another Evolution of DVD for HD format of the screens of TV's all Blu-Ray players already play DVD's winning the so called Blu-Ray format war was just that a distraction to what the real problem was.

You had the majority on one side and you had two companies on the other that did not agree on the evolution.
Blu-Ray was as a optical format , Sony was working on since 1997 do you really think Sony was going to dump that in favor of supporting another format that was in direct competition with Blu-Ray was ready and HDDVD was not?

[Imalwaysright]

What misconceptions? Sony had interest in winning the format wars. That's why they put the blu ray drive on the PS3. That was one of the main reasons why Sony was losing money on each PS3 sold.

It was also one of the main reasons why we got a console that was constantly being outperformed by a console that cost €200 less than the PS3. You're the one with the misconceptions blaming the PS3 price on a an ancient PS2 chip that cost $27 to produce.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...

[joeorc]

Where did i say that blu-ray was not a big expense?
The PS2 chip is expensive to add to the system no matter how you slice it..it just added further costs along with software and support to go right along with it.
Even without the PS3 by sheer number of optical drive manufacturing.. Blu-Ray was going to win!

Unless you think HDDVD with only one optical drive manufacturing company that made HDDVD optical drives was going to win?

When it was not even ready? When three years Blu-Ray was already in use three years on a consumer market level before HDDVD even had one optical drive device even on the market!

Again they had investment into the format, so did 22 other companies and content creators!

Before the PS3 was even released Sony already had a Blu-Ray optical disc recorder for the living room for consumers in Asia & Japan in 2003 Apr of that year to be precise. That's well before The PS3 was releasing.

And since the PS3 was being sold in the Hometheatre section also of course they would be putting a Blu-Ray optical drive in the system why? Because DVD was not a dedicated HD video recording format built for HD broadcasts..Blu-Ray was.

You than say this:

[It was also one of the main reasons why we got a console that was constantly being outperformed by a console that cost €200 less than the PS3. You're the one with the misconceptions blaming the PS3 price on a an ancient PS2 chip that cost $27 to produce. ]

Was game engines by 3rd party publishers and developers made for the cellBE chip ?

Unreal? Unity? Cry engine?
The majority of big middleware and game engines were not designed for the CellBE.

No those game engines were designed for x86, and they tweaked it and was made for traditional PowerPC architecture..

While Sony had to customized the tools for to be used with the CELLBE and also third party developers and publishers would have to Also make custom tools & Game engines to do such.

And as we seen , many 3rd party did not do it..they just ported to the PS3 instead of taking advantage of its hardware.

That's just the blunt truth. The xbox360 was more developer friendly because the game engines made were not geared for something like the cell processor, so of course on the PS3 performance was going to take a hit.

[Imalwaysright]

Yes a whopping $27 on a console that cost $800 plus to produce was the reason why the PS3 cost $600.
2 remastered PS2 games cost more than that and today would even cost less than $27 to produce that chip.

PS3 was being outperformed due to the cell that was alien tech and extremely difficult to develop for and because of the separate pools of memory. Kaz Hirai said that they made the PS3 difficult to develop for on purpose...

http://www.tomsguide.com/us...

But Sony learned their lesson and reached out to devs and asked them what they wanted from the PS4 and the result was a console that was straightforward to develop for. If you ask me, it was one of the best decisions that Sony made this gen.

PS3 being outperformed, doesn't have anything to do with the blu ray drive but the fact remains that a console that cost $200 less than the PS3 was constantly outperforming it and a big reason for the discrepancy in prices of the 2 consoles, was the blu ray drive that was put on the PS3 to win the formats war. Sorry, but I think its a bit naive to think that Sony would lose $200 plus on each PS3 sold if their ultimate goal wasn't to win the formats war.

[BossBattle]

Rockstar are the greatest game developers in the world. They have the greatest variety of games. GTA 5 selling over 65 million copies is a reflection of that.

[nevin1]

How come these companies never release the actual numbers?

[TheUndertaker85]

I'm sure they are particularly when they can resell the same content multiple times on a single platform. San Andreas has been resold many times on the Playstation platform.

The original came for PS2. Then there was the "PS2 Classics" version released for PS3 which was nothing more than the PS2 game stripped of content & features with nothing new being added. That later was removed from PSN to make room for the iOS port which was labeled as 720p, added cloud saves, and trophy support but was still missing the features the PS2 Classics version removed from the original. Now there's the PS4 version boasting 1080p and features linked with the PS4, not the game as a selling point.

To make this all better users have had to rebuy all of the above. You bought the PS2 game? You aren't entitled to the PS2 Classics version on PS3. You bought the PS2 Classics version? You aren't entitled to the "upgrade" on PS3, the same platform and network along with title that was available elsewhere at the time the PS2 Classics version was being released to PSN. Then none of the above allows you to get the PS4 version or even a discount.

So all together some users:
Bought the original at $50
Bought the PS2 Classics version for $15
Bought the "upgraded" PS3 version for another $15 while the PS2 Classics version was removed and harder to access if already purchased and not downloaded
Then bought the PS4 version for another $15

All together that's $95 for one game on the Playstation ecosystem. Cloud saves didn't come until the upgraded PS3 version with previous saves not working. Features were actually removed instead of added on more powerful systems and frankly, the touted 720p looks like a mess, in some places looking and performing worse than the original.

I won't add in the PS4 version going to "1080p" as I have not personally purchased it nor played it but will state they did definitely use basic functions of the PS4 as a selling point for the title while Rockstar was not responsible for those features. Then this is included in the description of the PS4 version:
"This title has been converted from the original PlayStation®2 version to the PS4™ system. Consequently, there may be times where the title plays differently from the PlayStation®2 version, or where some features may not function properly. This version does not support PlayStation®2 peripherals, therefore some functionality may not be available."

The handling of all of this has pushed me away from wanting a new PS4. This sort of practice is nothing short of disgusting and anti-consumer. Then much of the same crowd buying into it bashes Xbox Ones backward compatibility while Xbox is not requiring a new purchase for already purchased titles, transfers saves from the 360, then still allows the features of the Xbox One to overlay.

Xbox owners are into playing old games they say while Playstation owners are into buying old games repeatedly to play. If GTA, namely San Andreas gets added to backward compatibility I can already see the shit storm building.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"This sort of practice is nothing short of disgusting and anti-consumer" Nope.

"So all together some users:
Bought the original at $50
Bought the PS2 Classics version for $15
Bought the "upgraded" PS3 version for another $15 while the PS2 Classics version was removed and harder to access if already purchased and not downloaded
Then bought the PS4 version for another $15"

Why do you care what "some users' bought? Pretty sure that is their business, not yours. They want to buy all versions of a game,that is their business bud.

"The handling of all of this has pushed me away from wanting a new PS4" So you're not playing a PS4 because some publishers want to re-release content?

I see. Better not get a XONE bud, MS re-released Halo and Gears, along with a bunch of other games, don't get PC either, a bunch of that too.......better just leave gaming all together if this is really such an issue.

"Xbox owners are into playing old games they say while Playstation owners are into buying old games repeatedly to play"

Xbox owners didn't play the Halo collection? XB owners don't buy remasters? Also, if a consumer wants ot buy an old game "repeatedly to play" again..WHY IS THAT YOU"RE BUSINESS?

Just saying, those old games were not 1080p 60fps with trophies bud.

[TheUndertaker85]

Heh. Funny part. Yes, it IS my business 1) As a gamer looking to game 2) As one of those users who bought all listed above outside of the PS4 version then also have the 360 version, iOS version, and Android version. It's no longer a rocket science to verify things either before speaking. Both my XBL and PSN usernames are listed on my profile here.

Also, I DID buy a XBOne. I have also owned two PS4s that I sold, at least three PS3s, two Vitas, and even the PSTV.

Want to play again? I'm sure my answers, ones you could have figured out yourself beforehand aren't your cup of tea.

Plus again, when the PS2 Classics version was released on PSN both the iOS and Xbox 360 versions offered "720p" and achievements. The one released to PSN did not. That was actually in the post above. I'm sure you didn't bother to read it all however or if you did, you did not comprehend. :)

Here. I'll save you some time Mister Investigator.
PSN: TheUndertaker85
XBL: TheUndertaker1208

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Heh. Funny part. Yes, it IS my business"

How?

What I buy is my business bud, not you're's.

" As one of those users who bought all listed above outside of the PS4 version then also have the 360 version, iOS version, and Android version"

And? How is that relevant to another user? Thats nice that you bought that.......and?

"Plus again, when the PS2 Classics version was released on PSN both the iOS and Xbox 360 versions offered "720p" and achievements. The one released to PSN did not"

Thats nice.....

Its not 1080p 60fps with trophies and pretty positive you don't own the IP, thus you don't have legal claim over other versions of the game.

Read you're EULA bud. Come back to me when it states they hand over all future rights of the games to consumers. Pretty sure that is their game, not you're's. When they make another version of the game, even if its the SAME VERSION 1.1, that is still their game, not you'res. You do not own the IP.

They can re-release GTASA on PS5 and XTWO with zero improvements and you still don't have legal claim over it.

YOU bought the um "360 version, iOS version, and Android version" you didn't buy the PS5 or XTWO version, thus....you just bought those older versions, you have no claim over any other versions outside of the ones you bought.

Shocked that in this day and age, folks are so slow as to assume they are owed the companies IPs. You are buying the game, not the intellectual property.

Go cry about not getting Titanic in 4K because you own the VHS bud. lol

[Rookie_Monster]

Meh, making me rebuy the game I have already own..no thanks. Pass

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Meh, making me rebuy the game I have already own" ?

When did you buy a version of those games that ran 1080p 60fps?

[Angerfist]

Its a shame they didn't release the Android Versions of the games - especially San Andreas at the highest settings destroys the PS Versions.

The 360 and PS3 versions are superior and why aren't they make it playable on PS4 without double dipping?

[esmittystud101]

I have no issue paying extra for a PS4.5 console if B.C. was added in with it. Just saying.

[phoenix_dusk]

The fact BC on PS4 is selling great while current gen games are also slaying the charts. Poor the others.

[XanderZane]

They were pretty successful on the PS3 and XBox 360 as well. Waiting to see if any of these games become B/C for XB1.

[ShadowKnight]

Sony is having so much success

[kenwonobi]

A complete remake of these classic GTA games. Imagine the success of that? What if you remade San Andreas from the ground up? With new missions, new character sidestories, new locations, unbelievable graphics of this generation. Better yet imagine a greatest hits of all GTA games included in a remaster collection.

[Skate-AK]

I bet they have. So far I have bought every one of them. Also heads up, the article is missing Manunt as a Rockstar release.

[BrianOBlivion]

I just couldn't justify buying them a fourth time. Especially when there's no real improvements over previous iterations.

[topgun33]

If that is the case, I hope they port over mAx Payne 2, give us a remastered Max Payne 3, and GTa Liberty and Vice city stories--those were fun games

[opinionated]

Rockstar has the Midas touch. Their financial meetings must be the most relaxed shit ever. That bully sale for 5 bucks or whatever was a steal. I almost got manhunt, I should have. I remember it being shitty but my taste in games has changed since then, stealth particularly.