According to a King of Wushu developer, there will be no downsides for the market if PlayStation 4.5 and Xbox 1.5 were introduced, only benefits.
More power equals more options.
What options does more power grant?
Faster FPS, sharper graphics, etc. Depending on if they setup is designed to let the CPU take some of the GPU load or vice versa.
More options for developers on how to create the fictional 3D worlds, for example. Otherwise we'd still be content with the Amiga
More options for sales.
@Garehawk I was hoping for more options than just sharper graphics and and faster FPS. Seems these games now are just starting to get a few of those now from devs. @Alexious But devs are already creating huge fictional 3D worlds right now. I mean the creators of NMS just created a whole universe. @Master Now here is a good reason.
@Gareth Sure on paper but how much better will the games look? I can see sharper images and smoother frames but is that really all its gonna be it? When PS4 and X1 were announced they sounded great on paper but in reality games aren't doing anything new. Wheres: Destroying everything in the environment, entering every building, amazing llifel like physics, massive online battles, loads and loads of AI on screen as well as intelligent AI ( thats a big one) etc. If all we're getting is fantastic looking games which is great but I want game changing features, literally game changing.
Exactly AngelicIceDiamond! This is exactly what I was saying in a past comment. What is the point of more power when these games are all doing the same thing as last gen? The most impressive thing this gen so far is how in The WItcher 3 you could go in and out of buildings without load times. But when I see people talking about more power all they seem to want or ask for is just better graphics and faster frame rates. To me that is just a waste of power if all we are getting is just that. I too want more destructible environments, more different game paths, game decisions that change the way you play drastically, AI that react intelligently, just like you said game changing features, not shinier new button prompts for QTE's.
smh. You born yesterday orrrrr?
I'm hoping the extra power gets used to bring back local co-op.
@G-red- "@Alexious But devs are already creating huge fictional 3D worlds right now. I mean the creators of NMS just created a whole universe" Soooo what is you're argument exactly? They can't do more? Could you not stated the same thing last gen with a game like GTAV or Red Dead? We are not saying they can do something on 1.5 that they can't literally do on PS4 or XONE, merely THE DEGREE OF! As to why you turned it into this black and white, literal, either or, absolute statement is beyond me. Yes, MORE of something can change the game Red. More frames, higher resolution, more NPCs etc. That is once again NOT saying we can't have a lot of NPCs now, or high frames or better resolution, merely saying the better platforms offer MORE of those features. With you're logic, might as well make this gen you're last and not buy PS5 and XTWO. "I was hoping for more options than just sharper graphics and and faster FPS. Seems these games now are just starting to get a few of those now from devs" You'll be upset when PS5 and XTWO are not brain implants then lol
"Soooo what is you're argument exactly? They can't do more? Could you not stated the same thing last gen with a game like GTAV or Red Dead?" Good 'ol Edmix, making things up and running miles and miles with it. AngelicIceDiamond and Bitby got the point being made so it's really not surprising that you didn't. My point was never to imply that devs couldn't do more, my point was aimed at people here, in the comments, on N4G, that ask for more power but only because they want shiny new graphics or faster framerates. I doubt more power will give us huge differences in resolutions and frames. They may be there but I'm guessing they will be barely noticeable from what we have now. I'm asking that more power be used for the examples that myself and Angelic gave not just for shinier graphics. Games like NMS is a good example of devs doing something different or more but that is with the power we have now, the power to create a whole universe is being done with the power we have now. Now lets see that power to have a game actually and drastically change when we make decisions, have the story actually change depending on what path you take, multiple paths that lead to multiple endings and those endings never being the same because of those paths you took, different ways to play the game because more power was given to developers. With a lot of the current games we are playing not much is being done that hasn't been done last gen, besides the better graphics.
AngelicIceDiamond you must have been looking at the wrong paper lol. The One and PS4 were never impressive in terms of specs. Agree with you besides that though, i'd like to see some real advancements in gameplay AS WELL as image quality. But that really isn't the intent of the .5 consoles.
@bruce755 Red's argument is, "what I like to see that extra power used for other than graphics". He only said that in both of his replies. Exactly where are you and edmix getting this extra filler from?
Just build a PC with a 1080 GTX to play games at 4K/60 or 1440p/120 HDR, with Dolby Atmos surround sound and VR and call it a day. All this wasted debate for more power.
Sorry, isn't this suppose to be about the customers? Now you're basically telling people who already bought the system to go fuck themselves and spend even more money. Thus, fracturing your audience.
Yes it is for the consumers benefit, as well as the developers. The developers can better showcase their work, while the customers who opt to benefit from this potential upgrade will be able to enjoy them as well. It's like an expansion level, not everyone plays them. Or, like a computer upgrade. You may be able to play games on something like ultra settings if you invested more more money into your rig. I know it's a console and we thought there wasn't the need. But the options would be there for those who want them, and that's just the changing times.
Sure "business ethics" are involved to some degree (some companies are better than others), but in the end if they are not producing profits then they cannot sustain. If there is a large enough market for them to make money (based on market research), they will do it. Companies looking at big picture stuff like this hire firms (or sometimes in-house) that have employees/consultants with PhDs/Masters in math and other sciences to analyze and review markets to make more money. My brother has a PhD in math from MIT (by age 23) and he does this for a living and companies claw at his feet to hire him, for even a small amount of time, but he prefers theoretical math. It's interesting to pick his brain about these large console companies. In the end, revenue growth is the most important thing to them.
It really doesn't. It means that there will be a 1080/60 FPS version (hopefully lol) and then there will be the 900/30 FPS version. I can guarantee you the people with the latter aren't going to be happy if these new consoles are actually hardware upgrades.
True, I don't understand all the concerns popping up on gaming forums. This can only be a good thing. Hope to hear more on both at E3
I do understand the complaints but a lot of them do fly in the face of the rumours. As long as it's true that original PS4s and XB1s are not going to be made obsolete and that there will be no exclusive content or games, just more power then it shouldn't be a problem.
Microsoft and Sony aren't stupid, there won't be any exclusive content. They would lose so many customers that way.
I believe that as well and I don't see this being an issue but all the same until we we have confirmation that these exist and will be done right for the consumer then it's something worth reminding them about.
The thing is, isn't a higher native resolution and framerate an inherent advantage in multiplayer games? I know that's kind of a given on PC but i think a console should be a level playing field.
That's the hope anyway. I can see it now...go to settings, and set 'neo' mode to default? Hell yes set to default!
@concertoine I get what you mean and that was actually one of the reasons I was initially against this but I play on pc as well and it doesn't really make much of a difference. Even with a high fps and 1440p resolution I still get my ass handed to me xD Online games for consoles already generally get the fps to 60 at the expense of the resolution so in that sense I think it will remain the same and whether you're one the old or new version everyone would be playing at 60fps. That's much more important than the resolution. Games generally drop to 900p for the MP so there won't be a massive difference between the two. Everything will look sharper on the new version but it's not like you wouldn't be able to see anything at 900p. The difference is small enough that it'll just be about skill. @juiced The beauty of it is it does it automatically if rumours are to be believed xD
My concerns are will games be fully backwards compatible with these new systems? What happens if this becomes a trend with Sony/MS and they decide that releasing a console every three years is now the new norm? Will developers even attempt to try and squeeze out or optimize their games or just code for the highest spec and whatever happens for the low tier consoles will just have to live with it?
I'm a little concern about that too. But I'm sure they'll work something out and let the developers know every game has to be BC and make sure they optimize for both consoles
Don't know about sony but these are Phil Spencer thought for Xbox one . Microsoft’s drive for backward compatibility on Xbox One in 2015 reflects a much broader ambition for Phil Spencer, who seems somewhat frustrated by the transitional problems between console generations. He looks to PC gaming for a solution.“We actually want your content to stay with you,” Spencer said, emphasizing the importance of Xbox 360 games on Xbox One. “I love the idea of both backward and forward compatibility when you think about future innovations that can happen in the hardware space. And frankly us decoupling, to some extent, how a game runs on a platform and the hardware itself, allows that hardware to move within a generation and the games to stay with you longer. We’re very motivated by that inside of Xbox right now.” So is Microsoft hoping to bring the Xbox One game library forward in the future? “That’s our goal,” said Spencer. “Your games that you buy on Xbox, we want to make a commitment that you’ll get to continue to play them. Look at Windows. The lifespan of a Win32 game is pretty incredible. Xbox never had that…. I don’t think consoles should miss out on that.”
It will be the trend from now on, it's the obvious way forward now that they have both moved to a PC architecture. At some point the PS4/XB1 will no longer be supported, but I would expect that they would require developers to support the previous model for at least a few years after it is no longer in production.
"My concerns are will games be fully backwards compatible with these new systems?" I understand those concerns, but i don't think we will have to worry about it. I don't think this idea can work without newer games working on older models. I think games will work on newer and older models for years to come, the only difference will be how the game performs. If they decide not to make games for older models and force people to upgrade, then this will fail. The backlash would be massive.
My bigger concern would be how long forward compatibility would be mandated. The longer it goes on, the less likely we're to see "game changing"(as you put it above) improvements to games come about. The less time it's mandated, the less value the older hardware has as a whole, and any shift to remove the mandate(which will have to happen eventually), is going to cause some contention among the user base.
Well the concerm has more to do with people being stuck with the inferior sku. The option is there for the people that want it so that's the good thing. I'm all for it seeing how there are a few games that have releases this gen so far that have impressed me.
If it means I can buy a cheaper vanilla PS4 or Xbox One, then I'm all for it. The added power of the new updates to the systems don't bother me.
Oh I would say they certainly will be bothering you if we start seeing things in the same vein of this screenshot of War Thunder. https://i.imgur.com/njOjA3T...
He's 100% right, I really don't know why some people hate this 'Mid Gen' upgrade, It's just like PC gaming, one has a GTX 1080, the other has a GTX 960, and the third has a GTX 970, all will play the same game, but the ONLY differences are the Resolution/Framerate and graphics settings, that's it. Maybe because some people feel envious or something like that? There will be NO FRAGMENTATION in userbase, If someone wants the base console that can play great looking games, then the base PS4 is for you, If you wanted to play the same games but better looking at 60fps maybe, then the PS4 NEO is for you, It's a WIN-WIN situation for everybody, more options is better.
The difference with pc gaming is you don't have to replace your pc to upgrade your gpu. If this is the route sony and ms are going to take, then upgradeable gpu set up is the way to go. It would be as simple as upgrading your hdd and cost the consumer a hell of a lot less then replacing the console .
Well, I hope they make the new consoles have 'upgradeable' parts or you can upgrade the consoles with a special form of USB (like AMDs recently revealed, XConnect), and that'd be MUCH BETTER than replacing your base consoles with new upgraded ones.
If it's like PC gaming, why the fuck do we even bother with a console? NO WE ARE NOT ENVIOUS YOU IDIOT!! We just want convincy, something that PC gaming has lacked a long time ago. I just want to put a game in and go. No worrying about graphics cards, no worrying about rigs, none of that shit. This shit will be fragmenting the userbase and it isn't why consoles are even suppose to exist for.
"Put a game in and go" You haven't been able to put in a game and go since last generation. I remember having to wait hours for updates to download on my PS3 before I could play a game. So much for convenience.
How does this change that?? If you don't want to worry about upgrades then don't. Just carry on playing on what you've got.
Nintendo did it with the new 3DS, why can't they?
make it make sense Nintendo have been doing it since the OG gameboy color!!!!
You're talking about hand helds though.
Indeed. There was a difference, but I think what's pushing Sony and Microsoft over the edge is seeing that the general public accepted this with smartphones and tablets. They're not afraid anymore that they'll become "lost" among multiple products.
200 dollar handhelds though
Yes and there are some games only designed to work for new 3DS. If people are expecting the same not to happen here then the gaming community are more naive than I thought. I should also point out that Chinatown Wars on PSP ran poorly on original model PSPs, horrible texture pop in and models not loading correctly, because the original systems had less RAM and I think a lower speed processor than the newer models. I imagine there were other games that suffered as well
Doesn't make it any less bullshit.
Because I expect Sony to be smart and NOT fragment their audience, unlike Nintendon't and their flock of retarded sheep.
"and their flock of retarded sheep" I seem to recall another flock of sheep that is suddenly very okay with paying to access multiplayer components of their games.
the way i see it is just two different options; just like you would with a car. you have a basic model and a luxury, or high-end model. they generally do the same thing, and the basic model is fine. however, if you want higher performance and few more bells and whistles, you have the option available.
That's a fine example, but you also usually don't end up buying the stock model and upgrading to the higher end model 3 years later. If they're going to do this, they need to offer the higher end model with the regular model at the start of a generation. I don't care how big the box is, or if it costs an extra $100-200 to get the tech early, it's better than spending $400 twice. When PS5 rolls around, give us PS5 for the value conscious, and PS5+ for the luxury buyer at the start of a generation. Then when node shrinks come around, they can give us slim models for both of them.
It's all about how it's implemented. New 3DS didn't cause a world war 3 look at it as a new more capable SKU. I doubt it would leave the base console in the dust. Just a slight performance boost. I do 90/100 of my gaming on PC so i dont need to upgrade my console for a few exclusives here and there.. I'm not bothered.. After the recent announcement of the GTX1080|1070. I couldn't care less about a console upgrade ^_^ - xo
Who? Seriously though, I see poor optimization for base PS4 models could be a very real problem in the future.
I'm not concerned. about anything. ever. Give me a fancy new high powered Xbox. nom nom.
I am so hyped for Playstation Neo,day 1.That's all.If you are mad and you don't want to,you still have a great system to play the same games on.
If we've got companies like Naughty Dog claiming to max out the current hardware, of course it makes sense to have an iterative upgrade halfway through the generation. We already saw a sideways upgrade last ten with the addition of nearly-mandatory installs.
I c no downsides either, as long as the consoles play all existing games, has all the features, so those who don't want to upgrade can go on enjoying the games and those who do can enjoy the games enhanced.
I don't see the big deal either. Hell I started with that 20GB pro xbox 360. Then I ended up buying the HDD that got released and ultimately buying that halo 4 console. The point I'm trying to make here is this doesn't seem that different from last gen but now everyone is up in arms because hey, welcome to this generation of gamers!
Not spending another $400 dollars on a console I would rather go back to retro gaming. I will be fine with my launch ps4.
I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that would suggest that an upgraded ps4k gaming console has ever been considered by sony. How ever , I could see a ps-4k upgraded PlayStation T.V. , and that would make way more since in my mind rather upgrading a console mid wat threw it's life cycle . Besides , why would sony mess with how successful the ps4 has been? No console has ever match the success of the ps4 in it's first 2 1/2 years, not even the ps2. And if a ps4k is needed for the psvr , then sony just shot themselves in the foot. But with a 40 milliom user base , sony just has to convince us to buy a psvr and that's a hell of alot easier then trying to convince us to buy a ps4k as well .
You don't need PS4K for VR. Unless you want the VR games to appear in native 1080p. The PSVR games that I got to demo were running smooth on the current PS4 but at an upscaled image of probably 720-900p..
Majority of people I personally know were already planning to hold off a while on PSVR or aren't very interested in It at all. Yet literally almost every single one is planning to buy an upgraded PS4 day 1 or by the holidays. Many of them would have purchased it when base PS4 came out or were planning to get a second PS4 at some point anyway.
"I Can't See Any Downsides of PS4.5 / XB1.5 for the Market, Says King of Wushu ..." Lol. I thought to myself: Who the fuck is "King of Wushu"? Did I miss something? Another Youtuber? Rapper? Read the headline to the end - lesson learned.
I never saw better technology and running games faster and better as a bad thing, especially if it will enhance the PS VR experience.
it's scary to think how gamers no longer have any common sense when it comes to buying products. "oh,there's nothing wrong with microtransactions." "oh,there's nothing wrong with day one dlc that should be on disc." "oh,there's nothing wrong with day one patches or huge update patches." "oh,there's nothing wrong with season passes." "oh,there's nothing wrong with incomplete games that have no online mode or offline features when the previous game did have them." seeing gamers and their increase in a lack of common sense,I can't wait to see how gaming left unchecked will bring us next gen. ***gamers solution on fixing developers lack of making sure a game is finished is to throw more money at the problem.*** gamers have said companies like Capcom should finish their games.gamers have said companies like EA should make complete games like Star Wars Battlefront should have had with online modes **and** single player story modes. But your solution to having better framerates and resolution is to throw more money at it and brute force it and not for companies to take their time and possibly delay their games...WOW!! the reason games on PC need newer graphics cards is because the developers don't optimize their games because there are so many configurations.they basically take the lazy way out.now gamers want more lazy way outs for developers. also,no one seems to see that if games don't match framerates across systems,**YOU CAN'T PLAY TOGETHER** or,gamers on the more powerful system have to degrade their game to play against a lower spec system.or the lower spec system ownes have to degrade their graphics for online games to keep up in framerates. sure there are positives for a better system.but to not see any....**ANY** negatives means there's something wrong with the gaming community's brains.you can call out poor reviewers on Uncharted,but you can't question on if gamers need newer systems and not question developers on "finishing their games or taking their time."
"also,no one seems to see that if games don't match framerates across systems,**YOU CAN'T PLAY TOGETHER** or,gamers on the more powerful system have to degrade their game to play against a lower spec system.or the lower spec system ownes have to degrade their graphics for online games to keep up in framerates. " so all those pc gamers have to play with only those with exact builds? no wonder i suck. thanks for the info, you are one of the rare people out there that know what they are talking about.