PC World: Xbox 360 with Price Drop Still Generally More Expensive than PS3

PC World writes "Assuming the [upcoming price cut] rumor is true, and it looks likely to be, how do the new numbers affect the bottom line when you plug them into an accessory and services lineup?"

[Cajun Chicken]

Seriously. Look at the BIG picture people.

The article forgot the price of Play and Charge kit (instead of batteries) and Xbox Live Gold connection so you can actually games online with people.

As I've said, I like my PS3 more because its just generally less of a money gobbler and you get more for your money.

Also before I forget, PS3's play ALL PSone games.

The 360 only plays the XBOX titles Microsoft sees fit, meaning a lot of classics haven't seen software emulation and if they do, say like Armed and Dangerous, have a horrible framerate during action.

[morganfell]

Exactly. How long have I been saying this? From the beginning. ANd I haven't let up.

http://www.n4g.com/Redirect...

And apparently much of the public understands value as well.

Amazon Bestseller update:

PS3 80GB Rank 7
360 20GB Rank 93

[juuken]

I agree.

You can buy a PS3 with everything in one instead of wasting money on separate things. I don't know how 360 fanboys can claim the 360 is still cheaper when you have to buy so many add-ons for a true 360 experience.

[Dyingduck]

However, they totally forget to factor in 50USD dollar PER YEAR of LIVE.

Price cut = 50 dollars
One year of LIVE = 50 dollars

You save crap.

Oh wait, you want to play 3rd and 4th year on LIVE too?

4 years of LIVE = 50 dollars

+150 dollars, where's your dumb price cut now?

ROFL,

RIP,
Xbots

[Dyingduck]

Let's forget which is the cheaper console overall (because, no duh, it's the PS3)
Let's focus on the games (present-2009) which matter not the SYSTEM, AM I RIGHT?

Xbox360 released games for this year:

lost flop = flop
flop dragon = flop
tales of flop = flop (7.25 from Game Informer)
too flop = flop
infinite flop = flop (7.1 from IGN)

Anticipated releases:

Banjo3 = Awful textures, bad game play, and now they've turned the game into a racer for 40 BUCKS. This will get owned by LBP 8 ways to Sunday
Gears2 = AKA Gears1.5 using the same old engine Unreal Engine 4 years old, 5vs5 MP
(See: http://i37.tinypic.com/1zvp...
Alan Wake = a myth (never seen ported on the Xbox360)
L4D = Ummm, N64 graphics anyone?

Compare to the anticipated released PS3 exclusives during FALL 2008:

HOME (free)
LittleBigPlanet (21 Oct)
Resistance 2 (04 Nov)
SOCOM: Confrontation (14 Oct)
BioShock with Exclusive DLC (21 Oct)
Motorstorm:Pacific Rift (07 Oct)
Valkyria Chronicles (11 Nov)

Keep in mind that these are ALL PS3 exclusive, unlike crapbox exclusives which also appear on PC (e.g. Gears1+Mass Effect)

Anticipated releases (exclusives) in 2009:

God of War 3
Heavy Rain
M.A.G. (256 MPs!)
KILL ZONE 2
White Knight Chronicles
InFamous
Uncharted 2
Twisted Metal
Final Fantasy Versus XIII (maybe 2010)
PS3 exclusive from the legendary Team ICO

What does Crapbox360 have to offer in 2009? Halo Power Ranger Wars…

Wait, what about your beloved FFXIII?
You can only get the true FF experience on the PS3:
PS3 = Lead platform for FFXIII, and has been since 2005.
PS3 version = On a 50 GB Blu-ray disc, uncompressed.

In addition:
1. Exclusive FFXIII demo in March 2009 on PS3
2. Exclusive FFXIII in Japan - for you Japanese speaker to port since no regional lock unlike the crapbox DVDs
3. Exclusive FFXIII Versus on PS3
4. Exclusive FFXIII Agito on PSP

The 360 version is a port. So I really shouldn't be calling it a "version" at all.
The 360 PORT hasn't even gone into development.
The 360 PORT will be on multiple DVD's and it will “probably” STILL look worse than the PS3 version (e.g. RAGE)

[B-Rein]

totally agreed my friend only a retard would disagree to that.
This is the FACT that i was tryin to get to people. XBOX 360 is genrally EXPENSIVE compared to ps3.

[SpaZaA]

It's to be noted they are comparing the lower end PS3 to the 3 models of xbox360, not the 80GB PS3 (soon to be 160GB) that has emulated backwards compatibility with most PS2 games as well as all PSone games, 4 USB ports and ships with a game as well currently MGS4 ($59.99).

[fermcr]

Does the 80GB PS3 come with the chip for backwards compatibility with PS2 games? Here in Europe i think the 80gb and the 160gb are the same as the 40gb, only diference beeing biger HDD space. So i don't think here in Europe the new PS3 will come with backwards compatibility.

[Parapraxis]

No, not a chip, it is emulated.
New 80GB & 160GB models replaces current 40GB (no BC for PS2 games) , the current 80GB has BC for PS2 games.

The only PS3 SKUs that have BC with a chip were the 20GB & 60GB models.

EDIT: fixed my error after diggin up info. my bad.

[mindedone]

I was under the impression that not even the 160GB would have BC

[marinelife9]

Even the premium is only a good deal for one year. Once that next year of xbox live kicks in you have to pay another $50 dollars.

[xhairs9]

I think the 160gb has no BC from what I've read in the past, but that could very well change.

The only thing I disagree with as far as the charts go is that he put a $50 charge for a microphone on the PS3. I've gone through 3 headsets (in which I broke from frustration of my internet) totaling less than $50. Any standard USB Microphone Headset will work with the PS3, just because it's labeled "For PS3" doesn't mean it wont work. Also, you forgot to dial in Bluetooth capabilities. PS3 features Bluetooth compatibility with keyboard/mouse/headset. Add one more the PS3 plus side.

[MNicholas]

After yr 2:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $620
Premium: $500
Elite: $600

After yr 3:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $670
Premium: $550
Elite: $650

After yr 4:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $720
Premium: $600
Elite: $700

After yr 5:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $770
Premium: $650
Elite: $750

The Xbox360 lacks in-game keyboard and mouse support, a web-browser, motion control (for games such as the revolutionary Mirror's Edge), has an inferior HDMI specification, and, most importantly, the 360 doesnt have the world's best performing Blu-Ray player.

[SpaZaA]

However I sure hope the disagrees are for the 1 bit "(soon to be 160GB)" which I now see was an error.
The rest of my comment is 100% accurate.

They are comparing the lower end PS3 to the 3 models of xbox360, not the 80GB PS3 that has emulated backwards compatibility with most PS2 games as well as all PSone games, 4 USB ports and ships with a game as well currently MGS4 ($59.99).

[nickfr]

That's the nice thing about the RROD, they'll ship you a new one every year. If you add the cost for a new PS3 every year the comparison looks totally different.

[Dyingduck]

THEY DON'T GIVE you a NEW Xbox, moron, they fix the hardware of the OLD

[wallace1000]

Incorrect, depending on where you live they do not repair the xbox. Here in Canada they replace a faulty 360 with a brand new one.

[wallace1000]

Maybe instead of clicking disagree lets see if you have ever returned an xbox 360 under warranty in Canada, or maybe even own a 360?

[kevnb]

however alot of people only see the price tag on the box.

[BWS1982]

the point is that PS3's don't fault to the point where you should be needing a new one each year....I'm no fanboy, I want to own both, but each has some drawbacks, depending on how you look at it though, maybe one has more than another.

[Willio]

@SpaZaA :

"Very good comparison
It's to be noted they are comparing the lower end PS3 to the 3 models of xbox360, not the 80GB PS3 (soon to be 160GB) that has emulated backwards compatibility with most PS2 games as well as all PSone games, 4 USB ports and ships with a game as well currently MGS4 ($59.99).
Parapraxis August 28, 2008 10:33 AM PT"

-Taken from the 1st comment on original source.

@MNicholas:

"The Xbox360 lacks in-game keyboard and mouse support, a web-browser, motion control (for games such as the revolutionary Mirror's Edge), has an inferior HDMI specification, and, most importantly, the 360 doesnt have the world's best performing Blu-Ray player.
Mark02138 August 28, 2008 11:48 AM PT"

-Taken from the 3rd comment on original source.

At least freaking re-word it... fail at writing english papers i presume?

[TheExecutive]

ok, so if you are really strapped for cash the 360 is a good way to get into HD gaming. If you want the best VALUE for your money buy a PS3.

OR you could buy the system that most of your friends have OR the gaming system that has the games you want.

Hmm, it seems like a personal decision.

Everyone knows that for the money you get a lot more in the PS3, straight out of the box.

PERSONALLY, I prefer the PS3 for the reliability of the hardware, the diversity of exclusive games, most of my friends have the PS3, the bluray player, free online, the PSN games (they are the best!), and I know the console will be supported for a long time.

But those are PERSONAL preferences and I dont presume to tell others theirs.

[wallace1000]

"Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

[SpaZaA]

I made the comment on PC world as well. Bet you feel clever now huh.

[Lost_My_600_Dollar]

add 50$ for a good quality HDMI cable for the PS3

A High definition console without the HDMI cable that really great lol

[nieto]

$50 if you're going to buy a Monster Cable HDMI but you could find some other brands of HDMI for less than 20 dollars...

so that kills your comment.

[IzKyD1331]

you posted the same thing in the gamer zone, all HDMI cables are the same

EDIT: guess what, I found a 3 foot HDMI cable for 6 bucks
http://www.firefold.com/Pro...

do some research first

[Cajun Chicken]

Did I forget Blu-Ray? Region free, unlike DVDs?

Also getting a new H/D for PS3 is much more cheaper if you need the space then Microsofts overpriced 'Harddrive Mem Paks' for about £50 each or over depending in capacity.

Built in Wi-Fi is brilliant if you have Wi-Fi and saves £60 for a wireless adapter that only allows downloading and no online gaming with friends unless you fork out £30 on the 360 for Live!

HDMI gold plated cable and DVI-HDMI for PS3 converter £10 in total

Not waiting for previously overseas game releases and importing them to play on your PS3...
Priceless

Not mentioning the £20 Play and Charge kit for 360 that allows you to play games without running down to the shops to spend £5 on good quality batteries!

Price of my 60gb EU PS3 from last summer ready for online gaming and needing no more peripherals bundled with Resistance, Motorstorm and two Blu-Ray movies and a spare contoller chucked in, capable of emulating most PS2 games? £425

Price of my 360 purchase from last summer with nothing else but a headset and a battery demanding controller with free heat and loud annoying DVD-Drive fan noises? £350

I also have a 20gb 360, but seriously...it eats money like a hungry mouse in a cheese factory and I refuse to give MS anymore or £30 just in order to play online with my friends who own the same console!

[ruibing]

I have no idea where any of you guys buy HDMI cables that cost that much. Just buy the third party ones on Amazon for $10. While quality does matter, it only makes a difference at long distances, so a cheap HDMI is fine for 3-6 ft (the shorter the better).

[Dyingduck]

HDMI cable costs 6 bucks on newegg.com

Oh, did you forget to factor in 50USD dollar PER YEAR of LIVE???

Price cut = 50 dollars
One year of LIVE = 50 dollars

You save crap.

Oh wait, you want to play 3rd and 4th year on LIVE too?

4 years of LIVE = 50 dollars

+150 dollars, where's your dumb price cut now?

[zapass]

I bought my HDMI cables $2.99 a piece on amazon:

no wonder how you lost your $600!

seriously, what's the fair price of sh!t?
it's not a price cut that's needed, it's a price inversion:
they need to pay me to get that POS

LOL

[nsky171]

Wifi saved me $20 on CAT5 cables.

Like most people my WIFI Router is in my room near my computer.
My PS3 is in my living room. So inorder for my PS3 to get online I'll either need to get long CAT5 cables and wired it along the walls from my room to the living room or just use the built in PS3 wifi.

The wifi works greats and it save me money and hassle. Perhaps we need to add the cost of CAT5 cable for the xbox 360 because 100 feet CAT5 cable don't come free.

[Aclay]

The Xbox 360 has always been more expensive than the PS3 because by the time you buy everything for the 360 to equal what the PS3 already has, you would have spent more money.

Even though the PS3 is the most expensive system, you get the most value for the money.

I think that Microsoft should at LEAST bundle the Wifi Adapter with the Xbox 360 Pro and/or Xbox 360 Elite model because even the Wii has built in Wifi and it makes no sense for the 360 not to have it, and it's ridiculous to have to spend $90 bucks for a overpriced Wifi Add-on for the 360. A lot of people still bash Sony for not bundling a HDMI cable with the PS3, but I think that I would rather get Wifi built in and buy a cheap HDMI cable on Ebay than to get No Built in Wifi at all with my system.

[ruibing]

I agree with you. If it wasn't for the built-in wifi on my PS3, I wouldn't have been able to remote play so many games during the olympics (at least for the events I didn't care much for).

I also love the fact how open the PS3 is by using so many established protocols. Streaming music, hooking up any bluetooth headset, and working with one of my webcams. There are many of these features that are just a bit hard to justify into a comparison table, but they made the PS3 worth the purchase.

[tplarkin7]

When price is an issue, the 360 is much cheaper. For $199 plus $60 for a game, you can own a current console. It's the entry point that matters.

[majorsuave]

What's the use for wifi?
This is a game console, I'm not going to bring it in the garden or on the kitchen table, and yes the cable modem is near the cable tv.

And that same tv has a media center pc connected to it for everything that requires a hard drive, and keyboard/mouse gaming as well.

[iceman2885]

Sure, you have you're cable modem near your cable TV so you can wire your 360 to the internet. But there are many many people that have their cable modem at their main computer which is in a computer room or away from their gaming console.

I know when I lived with my parents that's how it was, and I only had wireless internet in my room, which is where my ps3 and 360 where. So yeah, it doesn't matter for you, but I bet there are a bunch of people who wish their 360 had wireless so they didn't have to spend 90 bucks for a 360 only wireless adapter or go through the trouble and cost of getting an ethernet cable to their 360.

Just b/c its one way for you doesn't mean its the same for everyone.

[kevnb]

the wii has built in nothing, no wifi, no ethernet, no recharbable battery pack, no dvd playback, and no component cables.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

The Wii is targetting a Different player.

[SaiyanFury]

@ 2.4

If you're looking for a cheaper solution to the 100 dollar Microsoft wireless adapter, and this is something that everyone here should read, look into a wireless ethernet bridge. It will make your Xbox 360 think it's hardwired into your router yet it will still be wireless. I did this with a wireless g-band ethernet bridge, and it works perfectly. And it's only half as muh as what Microsoft wants for theirs.

[baodeus]

Why don't PS3 remove the Wifi (which you also need a wireless router in your house) to make it more affordable? I'm still using the cable by the way (since i don't plan to move the xbox around with me where ever i go.) While it is nice to have but it is not needed.

And Sony really need to charge people for online since people claim PSN is comparable to Xbox live. It doesn't make sense for people to work for hours maintaining, adding contents and other stuff that you might want for free. They work to support themselves and their family. I'm pretty sure they would appreciate it if they get some extra money for their work.

Jeez, so many kids on N4G. Go get a job, but don't get pay for it. Give everyone what they want for free. Don't think about yourself or your family "you don't need money".

[SaiyanFury]

@2.8

Baodeus, are you totally bent? Why doesn't Sony REMOVE the Wi-Fi to make the system affordable? Maybe because wireless internet interfacing is like a 20 dollar technology? Maybe because not everybody has their console right beside their router? Oh and BTW a wireless router costs like 40-50 dollars. And for my own personal interest, why do you start ranting on about supporting your family? These are game consoles, not a mortgage for a house...

[Lost_My_600_Dollar]

I don't need Wi-fi adapter or 120GB HDD and luckily there is no mandatory installs for games so 20GB is enough for me

plus, add 50$ for a good quality HDMI cable for the PS3

[Tobias123]

That's all well and good(I don't use Wi-fi myself), but for a good HDMI cable you only need to add about $15.

[IzKyD1331]

theres no such thing as a "quality" HDMI cable, a $10 HDMI cable works just as good as a $50 one, except the $50 one is longer, but since your console is always going to be like 1-2 feet away from your TV, a $50 cable is unnecesary....and you shouldn't even be talking, the arcade doesnt even come with HDMI....and wi-fi is necessary these days, try connecting your console to your modem from different rooms in the house and then talk.....and a large HDD is necessary too, an HD movie takes up ALOT of space....and SD movies take up considerable space too, but I dont have to worry because my PS3 has about 200 GB HDD, and I have more than 20 movies on it

[morganfell]

http://www.walmart.com/cata...

Better yet:

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

I have a 320GB drive in my PS3 and that space is needed. MS claims it isn't but I look at my 360 and by the time I get a few demos, some HALO 3 maps, and download 1 movie I am out of space. But my alternative is to buy a worthless 120Gb drive. Proprietary. I can get better than twice as much space on the PS3 for half the price.

MS should be glad they have been successfully lying to people about their HD movies. Anyone with at least 20/400 vision can see those HD movies aren't HD. Otherwise that 20GB...er...I mean 13 GB drive would really be worthless.

[Mr_Bun]

Well put! Also I am noting that you have both consoles so you would know more about the pros and cons of each than most fanboys.

Nice jab with the formatted size at the end.

Bubbles.

[kinggeoff]

@ izky

so because wifi is necessary for YOU, we should ALL have to pay for it? I like how MS gives you options so I don't need to buy the sht that i...well DON'T need.

I'm glad the PS3 comes with the bells and whistles. That's what it's for. Top of the line tech in a sleek box. It's an amazing machine. that's why people buy it

@ morganfell

the MS movie downloads ARE in HD. The codec they used for encoding them is just lousy. They're still 720p in resolution, which is HD no matter how you slice it. Do they look as good as HDDVDs or Blu Ray movies? nope not by a long shot. But they are still in HD.

[mindedone]

for a (good quality) hdmi cable for xbox. I work at an electronics retailer and not even I would buy the garbage with my 65% discount.

[plain rice]

The HDMI cable the 360 come with is no different than the HDMI cables you buy at monoprice or Amazon for $5. I've tested Monster cables and cheap no brand HDMI cables and I can tell you there is NO difference at all. Tested on two of my high end tv sets. A Pioneer PDP Kuro Elite and my recently purchased Samsung 750 LCD. Both are 50" sets and are both professionally calibrated with the best possible configuration.

[kinggeoff]

a digital signal is either INTACT or NOT.

If your HDMI cable fails to work, return it.

The reason for the long assed monster cables is that as you extend the length of an HDMI cable, you require much better shielding materials and techniques in order for the signal to remain intact at the longer lengths.

for anything 3ft and under, a $5 or $10 is perfectly fine. If you pay more than that for a short cable, I feel sorry for your wallet

[morganfell]

Thanks for backing me up that 360 movies are not HD. True HD = 1080P

EDIT: It isn't a marketing term for my eyes nor for the eyes of many of the people in the general public. You can whimper all you want about the 360 but that is the sad fact. You can keep living in denial and that is your right. 1080p doesn't matter to most 360 owners except those that bought into the Microsoft Betamax HD DVD. Well I hate it for you.

You comments also do zero, ZERO, to negate the fact that the 20GB(13GB) version, you know the most prolific version, has little to no space available for anything once a few files and downloads are on the drive and a single sub-HD movie is downloaded.

[kinggeoff]

kind of crack?

now we're talking about "TRUE HD" (or FULLHD) which is just a marketing term pulled out of the air. I bet you think more Megapixels always means a better picture too... hahah soccer moms these days

please note: The term HD (high definition) is used for ANYTHING above SD and ED resolutions. 720p is HD

please do some research and pull your head from between your legs

[Too_Hyped]

@kinggeoff : no, sorry, true HD is 1080p, in this planet. Go read on every site you find.

[mindedone]

I don't get the disagrees. Either they BOTH need an expensive HDMI or neither do. Xbox doesn't include a "high quality" one.

[wallace1000]

The term "True HD" is a marketing term and nothing else. 720p and 1080i are also high definition resolutions.

[ruiner4482]

Or better yet how about $9.00 shipped priority mail.

http://www.monoprice.com/pr...

[rofldings]

+1 on monoprice cables. People at AVS forum swear by them...

[kinggeoff]

the 360 CAN be MUCH cheaper than the PS3

OF COURSE it will be more expensive if you add on all the external upgrades...but if you wanted a system like that...why wouldnt you just buy a PS3?

I don't need wifi, I don't need an HDD upgrade. Everything that came WITH the 360 is fine by me. I was pretty shocked to open my ps3 and find no headset or HD cables of any kind, nor any accompanying games...but I got a sweet deal by bundling it with a TV so the ps3 price was $50 all told for the 40gb model.

My 360 came with forza2/marvel UA disc and guitar hero2 with a guitar... it was a good deal so I bought it.

Both systems tend to fetch a pretty penny if you want to use them to their full capabilities, but this article assumes you are buying a cheaper console with the intent on adding to it the features of a more expensive console...

that doesn't generally make too much sense...but i guess there are some morons out there

[Pika-pie]

By default, the 360 doesnt come with any games either. Only with special bundle packages (as with the 360).

One thing you deffinatly do need for the 360 that you dont get is a battery charging pack.. WTF, i was utterly gobsmacked when found this out..

[The Lazy One]

It doesn't come with rechargeable batteries, so why would they put in the battery charger?

It would be a good choice to plop a play and charge kit in with the higher end systems though.

[MNicholas]

if you never do the following:

Play online with your friends
Download game demos
Want wireless online
Want to save new game data without having to delete your old saved games
Have music on your xbox360
Download movies

Even if you skip the hard-drive upgrade and wifi, you still spend an additional $250 over 5 years to play online with your friends.

Minimum bottom-line cost:

Arcade: $450
Premium: $550
Elite: $650

Owners of premium and the elite can download and play low-grade "HD" movies but are stuck with an outdated DVD drive, no access to a cheap and useful hard-drive upgrade (like a 500GB), and no wifi among other things.

[kinggeoff]

how about you STREAM your music to your 360 from your computer? Make sense? It's a lot cheaper (FREE) and easier than any kind of hard drive upgrade. And you dont have to spend time or waste space duplicating songs you already have stored on your PC

That's probably my favourite thing about the 360

In game music streaming across a network.

[MNicholas]

For a minimum of $450 you have a XBox360 with a basic, noisy DVD drive, no hard-drive, no wi-fi, no blu-ray, no motion control (for games like Mirror's Edge), no web-browser, no movie downloads, no demos, etc... But hey, if you can figure out how to make it work, you can stream music to it from your PC. Wow.

So, seriously, why would anyone pay more for an Xbox360 Arcade when for less money they can get a PS3 which gives you all the bells and whistles imaginable and won't cost you a penny extra (no hidden costs) no matter how many years you use it?

[morganfell]

Yes streaming is great and Tversity rocks the house. I have Vista Ultimate and Tversity does a better job streaming to my PS3 than the constantly locking up Windows Media Center does with the 360. MS doesn't like it but the 360 was trumped at it's own game.

Also for those running regular Xp, Tversity is free, unlike Media Center which does cost money.

Here:

http://tversity.com/

Add to this the PSP has the best built in streaming currently and free music streaming is coming to the PS3. Rock beats scissors.

[Too_Hyped]

@kinggeoff : you know you can stream music / videos from your PC with the PS3 too, right ?

The PS3 has everything the 360 has, plus much more... and it's cheaper.

[The Lazy One]

you can stream off XP for free. You get windows media connect. Most new versions of vista come with it standard. If not you download it off their site.
@mnicholas

Play online with your friends - I do, and have been since launch. My 360 was still less than a PS3 so far.
Download game demos - These are free. Period
Want wireless online - Why would I want that for gaming?
Want to save new game data without having to delete your old saved games - I have never had to do this soooo...
Have music on your xbox360 - Streamed.
Download movies - you can stream them too.

[MNicholas]

unless you buy the Hard-drive.

If you want to play against your friends you have to pay another $50 every year.

Over 5 years, the PS3 will give you demos, online play and every bell and whistle imaginable for $399.

The Xbox360 Arcade will cost you $550 and still lack all the advanced features that are free on the PS3.

You claim you bought your 360 at launch and played online and that you've spent less than the price of a PS3. Let's do the math.

The cheapest 360 at launch was $300. After 3 years, your xbox live would have cost you $150. You have spent atleast $450 already. The PS3 is $399, which is less than what you've spent on your Xbox360. What's more, if you have a hard-drive you've spent $550 already. By next year you would have spent $600 on your Xbox360.

You still have no wifi (which works great for online games), no gigabit ethernet, no Blu-Ray, no keyboard and mouse support for PC-like FPS controls, no web-browser on your TV, etc....

[morganfell]

At the end he said that but not initially.

"how about you STREAM your music to your 360 from your computer? Make sense? It's a lot cheaper (FREE) and easier than any kind of hard drive upgrade. And you dont have to spend time or waste space duplicating songs you already have stored on your PC"

[The Lazy One]

I got a pro at launch (you can download demos to a memory card) I haven't paid for xbox live until this year through keen use of promotional schemes.

total cost of 360 was about $450, so I paid $500 for the 360 up to now as opposed to $500 for a gimped PS3 (which you couldn't upgrade to have the exact same functions as higher end PS3s ala xbox 360) or $600 for a PS3 that's still considered superior to any of the ones today.

[nsky171]

But didn't you said you don't need WIFI, so why does a no wifi PS3 matter to you? It only matters if you need it right? because that's what you have been saying all this time. You are not going to get wifi anyways so why does it matter.

Also the pricing system that people here are using is base on the normal retail pricing and not what you can get it by doing promotional schemes. If you were to base pricing on that I got a PS3 for $200.
Sign up for Sony creditcard = $100 off
Walmart was selling PS3 for $400 with $100 giftcard
Some Bestbuy was pricematching Walmart.

Using the Sony creditcard and buying a PS3 from walmart or Bestbuy at the time = $100 off + $100 giftcard = $200 PS3, wifi, blu-ray,40gb.

The $100 off from Sony Credit card is still on, so should we start saying that the PS3 is $300 now, since almost anyone can get it for that price, all they have to do is apply for a creditcard.

By the way since you didn't get anything else for your xbox 360 since Launch how much money did you spend on Batteries for your controller in that 3 years, since you didn't buy the plug and charge kit. That's at least $30 or more, just for batteries.

at the end of day, one can play Blu-ray games and movies while the the other can not, along with wifi and bigger harddrive.

[KingME]

Perhaps, I don't need to upgrade from 60 to 120 gig, perhaps, Perhaps I don't need wi-fi because I have a wired connection. You can't run a true comparison by adding hypothetical scenarios to it.

Bottom line, I want a gaming machine, I have a certain amount of money in my wallet. If I buy the 360 I get the gaming I want, and I pull less money out of my wallet. This is how people think. And the choose the 360 based on the options that they want whether it be arcade, prem, or elite. The same applies to a person that want blu-ray, they are going to get the PS3.

This article is just another lame article written by the ever increasing hoard of bloggers and journalist that a losing their professionalism and becoming fanboys.

Sad really.

Edit: Great point kinggeoff, that's exactly what I was trying to say. Bubbles

@IzKyD1331 - It's amazing to me how you can make a counter argument about buying a cheap low cost HDMI cable, and then say wireless and HD upgrades are needed. My house is fully wired, I don't need wi-fi, and I still have 10 gig left on my 20 gig hard drive, so upgrading to 120 would be a waste of money for me. Wow, this things people can say without even blinking. just incredible.

[Captain Tuttle]

Besides, the Arcade isn't targeted towards the hardcore. It's meant to compete against the Wii and people who might want to upgrade from a PS2. Neither of those have hard drives or any kind of online experience to speak of and they're selling like gangbusters. The Hardcore crowd have already bought their consoles...MS is going after the others.

[Too_Hyped]

Well, no, that's the point of the article, PS3 is cheaper as a gaming machine, you get much more for your money.

20Gb is seriously not enough today. After 3 videos and demos you'll run out of space, and for less money you get a 500 Gb PS3, so yeah... You can't be serious... Blind MS fanboyism at its finest.

Maybe you should shut the TV and stop listening to Microsoft advertising ? They don't always tell the truth, you know.

[majorsuave]

Who needs wifi on a gaming console that sits besides the tv, the stream box, the media center pc and the cable modem?

[felidae]

eeehm ... but ... but, TheMART says people don't need stuff like WiFi ..

[Pika-pie]

Well people do.. I did, and I am still annoyed about having to shell out £50 for a WiFi adapter for my 360.. Its just a complete rip off.

Even the crappy DS has Wifi built in and you can pick up a DS for £99!!!

You can by USB Wifi laptop sticks for £15 squids, and its the same tech.

[The Lazy One]

you need an access point for ~$20.

[CrazyOrange]

lol that stupid, they want microsoft to lose on hardware same as sony did ??!

Edit : People buy console to play and best choise "YET" 360

[nieto]

if you're the type of person that like to take risks then go and buy an x360 that could go RRoD in any moment and with its online that make you pay to play games with lag. on top of that it's the only console with HD capabilities that still uses DVD as the media storage. in other words a dying console that it is standing on its last leg thanks to its out-dated hardware.

that sounds good if you ask me. /sarcasm ;-)

[robbo918]

I for one tend to disagree with your attempt to slam the PS3 about the "playing" comment. Not only can I play TONS of games (the no games on PS3 line is more dead than all those RROD machines we know about) but I can watch the best movies in Blu-ray...appears you are the one on the short end of the stick as well as bus.

[TheColbertinator]

The headsets are actually cheaper than 50 bucks.I have found great quality bluetooth and USB headsets for PS3 under $30.

[Parapraxis]

For the 360.
1) Do you play games online?
a - If you answer "NO", then cost is pretty low, enjoy the savings.
b - If you answered "YES" continue to #2

2) Take The cost of Live (50$) and multiply that number by how many years you plan to play online.

3) Now look at the end price tag.

[Captain Tuttle]

Short and to the point. People who value online play already have their consoles. This package is going after the casuals.

[KingME]

Would you pay $50,000 for a $30,000 car? Well if you add the cost of gas for the number of years that you plan on having that car then you that's probably what you're gonna be paying for it.

The difference in the analogies being, you don't need online to enjoy a 360, but you will need gas. So I guess it's just a matter on how you look at it huh?

[SpaZaA]

Did you completely ignore this?
"1) Do you play games online?
a - If you answer "NO", then cost is pretty low, enjoy the savings. "

PAY ATTENTION.

Also, the PS3 is more like an electric car.

[ScottEFresh]

Considering it's outdated technology (DVD9, batteried controllers, no built in wireless, lack of HDD...sound like the PS2 yet?) this isn't news at all.
The xbox360 is WAY too expensive for that shoddy hardware that you get. This is why Microsoft and the Xbox360 will finish dead last this generation and most likely the next even while having a year head start to work with.

[Omega4]

And this is why MS make a profit on their hardware while Sony doesnt.

Who ever makes the most money wins and thats what MS and Nintendo are doing.

Sony tried too hard to make the best hardware and now they will pay for it literally

[DJ]

Which is why their sales are so low.

[plain rice]

As a consumer I could care less if Sony profits on hardware or not. I got the console I want and it has all the bells and whistles. Not to mention it's also very reliable. :)

[silvacrest]

Microsoft wanted instant profits with the 360 where as Sony wanted a product that would last and be used well into the future

yes the PS3 has lost money but it will make it back given its 10 year cycle

[Too_Hyped]

Actually, Sony already declared it was making more money on PS3 software than they loose on PS3 hardware, so they already make money.

On the long run, they can't loose anyway, since they have tons more studios, the winning HD battle format, are cheaper, more reliable and have a much better image (Why ? Partly because they didn't milk their customers.)

It's only logical Sony is crushing MS in sales...

[PSWe60]

maybe they should start marketing it that way.

In all seriousness, the PS3 is much better buy considering what you're getting in one box.

[The Lazy One]

if they put a bike in the xbox 360 box, would it be a better buy as a game console?

[Rourker]

for me yes putting a bike in the 360 box would make me buy for two reasons.

1) MS must have found a sweet way to make a fold able bike so that it would fit in the box.

2) I need a new bike

but you seem pretty lazy, so I could see why you wouldn't want one:P jokes man.

[jerethdagryphon]

where did you hear the 160 has bac compat i was under the impression its the 40/80 gig 2 port one with a bigger drive

[ScottEFresh]

Xbox360 technology is comparable to that of the PS2...not 3...2. Is there any wonder why it's terrible value for money?

[CouchKing0]

The PS3 is a true next gen console.

Cry more bots...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

[Fatmanp]

Funny because i never knew that every online gamer needed a wireless adapter i was under the impression that you stay away from wireless as its causes too much latency. You dont need to pay that much for a HD cable and 60GB is more than enough HD space. The only reason the PS3 has it is because o the 5gb installs. So take off the the HDD and Wifi plus cable and its nowhere near the estimated figures.

Wirelss is BAAAAAD.

Also people calculating the cost of XBL over years are stupid becaue its like saying do you intend to play games and how many then multiplying it. PS3 owners get away with games wuite cheaply as they only really need to buy 1 at the moment.

[Pixel_Addict]

"Also people calculating the cost of XBL over years are stupid becaue its like saying do you intend to play games and how many then multiplying it."

That 'sentence' made no sense. There is no excuse for that bad of a misspelling, the spell check button is right there.

Anyway, 50 dollars a year is still 50 dollars a year. Just because you think it's a value doesn't mean anything. When my friend bought a 360 at launch he HAD to buy a subscription to play online, there for he paid 50 dollars more. He ended his subscription soon after.

[plain rice]

I use wireless everyday on my main PS3. It's no different than my other PS3 that is directly connected to my router. You guys must be exaggerating about these wireless problems or you must live in a place where there is some serious interference.

[Pixel_Addict]

Microsoft said HDMI wasn't necessary, now they have HDMI.

They said that Xbox consumers did not need a harddrive, now they are pushing for DL content for the future.

It costs nearly a hundred dollars to upgrade Wi-fi, more and more homes are using wireless networks (why not?).

Microsoft says it's online service, XBL, is worth the 50 dollars every year, because of the features, yet now Sony is starting to match everything... and for free.

It's weird how many people in the media really like to point out Sony's public-relation missteps, but never point out how much Microsoft has back tracked.

I like the Xbox 360, the console as many good games, but as tomorrow comes and goes faster every day I'd rather have a console that will not lose it's relevence do to short-sighted design.

[Rourker]

especially the fact that MS is pushing downloadable content, yet didn't make a hard drive standard in the 360.

[Too_Hyped]

@Rourker : This simple fact you stated summarize MS total lack of coherence and strategy in the gaming industry. Their strategy basically is "Let's milk our customer". No wonder it doesn't work.

[Rourker]

but it was pixel_addict who said it first, give credit to him.

[Mike134nl]

Would be interesting to know if the wii or the xb360 would be more expensive

[divideby0]

Its been that way since day one...
dollar for dollar the PS3 has been a way better value than the 360...
just add up the hardware in the PS3 and figure out how much it would cost you to add that to the 360.
Heck my launch 360 with a wireless adapter a HD drive and a larger HD easily went over 600...
no brainer

its so easy to see who has what console by reading some of the comments

[Zerodin]

Not everyone buys the Gold account, or the wireless adapter.
Insta-fail.
The only reason this got approved was droids.

[Cajun Chicken]

Droids for value who got fed up with the all reining 'Sheriff of Nottingham' called Microsoft.

[Draperc]

If I remember correctly, you need to have an xbox live gold account to play games like halo 3 or gears of war online. And more people buy the wireless adapter than you think, cause nobody wants to drag a long a** cable through their house just so they can play online. I'm glad the PS3 has built in wifi, cause the only computer we have is downstairs in the basement, my room is up on the second floor. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would look if I had a 25+ foot cable going from my room to the basement? It's not just stupid looking, it's also dangerous.

[pain777pas]

I've been saying this ever since I first got my 360 brand new and before the first year RROD. Got a PS3 refurbished 60gig original for $349 not one problem. They are forgetting the battery charger costs or for cells as well.

[Sez]

again P.C world dont have a clue what they are talking about. not everyone care for wifi. i have wifi and the ps3 disconnect to much that i have to hook it up to the router just to keep the signal.

so subtract 100 bucks off the wifi because so people are not everyone has a wireless router or are not interested in getting one.

subtract the 20$ for the HD cables they added on. when the 360 comes with HD cables.

notice how they went with the most expensive HDD for 180$. what they don't sell a 60gig HDD for 100$. or buy a used one for 59$ from gamestop.

so no the 360 isn't more expensive than the ps3. they seriously need to get their fact together. and stop trying to start a flame war.

[TheDriftking]

Why do they even post these completely biased flame war igniting articles on here? Answer: people love flame wars.

No serious gamers would ever put their xbox360 on wi-fi. It just plain isn't as fast as ethernet based online. Plus you can put in a wifi access point bridge for like 20-40 dollars. Serious gamers should put their consoles right next to their routers. Then add wifi to their pc's as opposed tot he other way around. You'll get way less lag and pay much less.

As far as paying for xbox live. Everybody who has it will tell you that it is worth every penny. If you could put xbox live on a ps3, all hardcore ps3 players would shell out for it. It's just that much better and everybody knows it. Plus every single game that has come out on both consoles has been better recieved on xbox. Look it up. Review scores are higher, you get better graphics / framerates / resolution etc. Development cycles are finally starting to pay off on ps3 now and games are becoming alot more comparable, but they still havent done as well or better on any game (very close on call of duty 4, but that's about it). Waiting an extra few months for a game to come out on Ps3 and then have it still not be as good just doesnt make sense to the hardcore.

I know a buttload of gamers, and none that had xbox went to PS3 (at least not for more than watching movies). Only the PS2 fanboys buy PS3 due to brand loyalty. I definitely understand that and don't judge. Those who were deep into things such as Socom will of course stick with sony to keep their community and that just makes sense.

With rumours going around that certain PS3 games will require subscription fees the dollar amount for xbox live shrinks considerably. Sony will be constantly playing catchup with xbox live. Sony made major strides with their recent firmware update, but it still pales in comparison to live. Microsft is releasing their next update very soon which completely trumps everything else out there including current xbox live by leaps and bounds. With the 360's 512 of unified memory and single core reserved just for live, sony just doesnt have the hardware to run as many apps...not even close. They are very much pushing the limits of the ps3 as far as side apps as it is while microsoft has plenty of wiggle room. It will always be better.

The recent price drop is further proof that MS is looking to expand into the casual market. With a price cheaper than the Wii and with similar wand waving technology just around the corner, you'd have to be a major Mario fan to buy a Wii over a 360. I have both as it is, but the Wii is little more than a paperweight. It does come out any time I have new people over that haven't played it, but that's about it. You can play it and enjoy it in very small doses, but it just doesn't have the graphics , gameplay or lasting appeal in any even average gamer's eyes.

As far as the PS3, I would say that it the best media player and a strong yet distant second in the games department.

Flame on.

[Lord Vader]

Who cares what you fanboys think the cost are ? I dont care if my 360 cost twice as much to run as my PS3 (which it didnt & it doesnt) because I enjoy playing GAMES on it and the MP ! I spend TEN TIMES more time on the 360 because of the *GAMES & MP*.

It's well worth it... after MGS4, my PS3 is back to what it did almost all of last year, collecting dust & waiting for me to buy a $30 BluRay movie...

LOLZ

[plain rice]

Same can be said the other way around. My 360 has been collecting dust since Mass Effect came out. Having too much fun on my PS3 with *GAMES & MP*.

LOLZ

[GameDev]

do yourselves a favor and right click on the chart and do a "save image as" to your computer. Next time some moronic bot wants to dice up value, that chart = INSTANT MEGA-OWNAGE.

[Cajun Chicken]

Whats really great is the fact I can go on that PC World article on the PS3s built-in web browser press Triangle and actually SAVE the image onto my PS3s harddrive!

[juuken]

*pats PS3* Glad I bought you first. :)

[morganfell]

Agreed. And just think, first the PS3 bursts in and takes the graphics crown and now it is taking the price crown too. There have to be some mad, living in denial 360 owners out there.

EDIT: The above actually needs to be revised. First the PS3 burst in and took the Next Gen removable media crown, THEN stomped on the 360 and took the graphics crown, and now the PS3 is taking the price crown.

Meanwhile the 360 has the HDDVD Doorstop crown, the "I double as a toaster" crown, and the "SOL for storage space" crown. Oh, and the "We nickel and dime you to death" crown. Can't forget about that one.

Latest Amazon Bestseller update

PS3 80GB Rank 6
360 20GB Rank 87

[Draperc]

Current Xbox 360 slogan : Jump in.

New Xbox 360 slogan : Pay Beyond.

[B-Rein]

Lmao ahahahhahahaha

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

If you buy a dvd for $10 and watch it 10 times then thats value for money.

If you buy a dvd for $20 and watch it 20 times then thats value for money.

I think that because the 360 is regarded as a superior gaming machine that people put more gaming time into then even if the 360 was the same price as the PS3 your simply getting more value with your 360.......

Blu-ray,photo cd's,dvd's,streaming content and watching your console cook your Sunday roast is all well and good but......

At the end of the day its the games that matter and the 360 still has the best quality and choice available - thus 360 more play time = better value.

DISCLAIMER
*I appreciate that some might enjoy gaming on the PS3 or Wii more but ^^^^ was my answer to pc worlds blogs myopic rubbish.*

[Pixel_Addict]

"At the end of the day its the games that matter"

Yes true, it is the games that matter. The problem with the Xbox 360 is that the same games are available for the PS3. On the other hand the PS3 has a wealth of new exclusive original IP's that are going to hit the PS3 soon. There are very little games that are exclusive to the 360 platform, so what are these games that are only available on the Xbox 360?

"and the 360 still has the best quality and choice available - thus 360 more play time = better value."

If by 'best choices' you mean FPS, then yes. The Xbox 360 has little to no other games in the library, not any worth mentioning anyway. There are a TON of average (bordering on bad) FPS and little else. Where are the action, adventure, platform games?

If you want choice, ask yourself one thing, quality vs quantity. The PS3 has Ratchet and Clank TD (platformer), Uncharted (action, adventure), and so on.

What you are basically saying is, if you bought a car today all you care about is if it runs TODAY, but what about tomorrow, a week, a month from now? The Xbox 360 has little to no exclusive games that anyone [not anyone bias] can say are outstanding. You have two games EXCLUSIVE to Microsoft Gears of War 2 and Fable. Those are AAA titles that moves systems and interest the non-hardcore RPG playing fanbase.

On the flipside, Sony has for the PS3: Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Motorstorm PR, Little Big Planet, inFAMOUS, and not to even mention the dozens of other untapped Playstation classics like Syphon Filter, Twisted Metal, Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, all big sellers and diversifies the PS3 portfolio.

[Guitarded]

Hahahahahaha!

[Sez]

i had to laugh at the 100 dollar charge for wifi. why pay 100 dollars. when you could hook it up to your wireless laptop or thru your P.C. huh thats what i did and it works like a charm. i guess PC world forgot about that one didn't they

[Rampant]

How do you get "the full ps3 experience" without an HDMI-cable ;)

How do you manage to play on the ps3 at all without replacing your Sixaxis with a Dual Shock 3 (Still inferior to 360-controller though)

How do you get 120 gb hard drive space on the ps3 without buying an extra hard drive?

How do you get 5 psngames without paying an extra 20-30$?

How do you get a portable memory unit on the ps3?

See? It works both ways. If you have 200$ and want to buy a gaming console you can't buy a ps3, but you can buy a 360. End of story.

[juuken]

Just keep spinnin', just keep spinnin'...spin, spin, spin.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

You are never going to win with these full time PS3 salesmen. They will always make it seem like the grass is greener. The best thing to do just like a used car salesmen on the car lot just ignore them and hope they walk the other direction.

Like I said below the many people I know waiting to get a 360 aren't even considering the PS3 at all. So despite how much they ramble on about the system they just don't want one.

[juuken]

And I know a few people who are getting PS3's because it's worth the money. They don't like spending extra cash on stuff that's built all in one on the PS3!

Spinmasters! Do your thang!

[Cajun Chicken]

1. You buy one for cheap or you enjoy the games for what they are on a SD TV instead of being a graphics whore.

2. You play the games and use your imagination, believe it or not, many years ago rumble would be seen like black magic.

3. Y'know PCs? Those actually accept different hard drives when they get full up; same concept here. You can back up all your data on an external USB hard drive anyway.

4. How do you get Xbox Live Arcade games without paying for them, oh wait, that's right, games COST MONEY.

5. You transfer the game save onto an everyday data stick using the many ways you can transfer and view data on PS3. A duh.

[Rampant]

Nothing constructive here, as I thought.

1. Well then add a few extra dollars for the hdmi cable.
2. The xbox360 features rumble, to get rumble on ps3 you need a new controller. add a few dollars.
3. So, you need to buy a 40 gb "pc" harddrive.... or a USB-device.
4. They are actually included in the arcade model. 5 psn games aren't included with the ps3. More moneys.
5. So you buy a data stick for a few dollars?

And juuken. Spinning is what the ps3 "we will overtake the 360 by christmas -07" are doing. I'm just antispinning your fanboy propaganda =)

[juuken]

Oh Rampant...you accuse me of spinning when you're doing the most spinning as well!

Stop trying to justify the 360 price tag. It's not really helping your case.

Good to be a PS3 owner! :]

That's why I prefer the Playstation brand.

[nsky171]

1. HDMI cable is cheap around $5. How much does your CAT 5 cable cost for your xbox 360 that you must use to connect from your room to your living room inorder to go online. Or ther otherway around if you place your router in the living room? More than $5 that's for sure.

2. you can still play all games without rumble. So you don't need to rebuy any controller if you don't want to. I can preform all the needed moves and combos just as good with a sixaxis or a dualshock They all come with rechargeable batteries too. How much does a xbox 360 plug and charge kit cost $20?
Oh the other hand, xbox 360 d-pad is extrememly bad for fighting games and they are releasing one with a better d-pad.

3.at the end of the year Sony is releasing PS3 with 160gb harddrives so I guess you really don't need to buy it. or if you already have a PS3 ,a 120gb harddrive is under $50. But a xbox 120gb is $179. For the PS3 I can upgrade to a 320gb harddrive if I want for a very good price, xbox 360 have no option what so ever. I can also resale my old hard drive to PC users and console users, since it's standard sata.

4.PSN games, I haven't download any so I don't know.

5.portable memory unit?, you mean like the xbox 360 memorycard that can only be use for the xbox 360 and are sold at rip off pricing?well sony can use standard memory cards. The ones you already have for phones, cameras, etc. Compact flash, SD, Memory stick, pro duo,etc. ad long as you have a adpater it will work with any memory. Can you use your xbox 360 memory card for your phone, PDA, laptop, etc?

6. actually you can, I got a PS3 for $200.
Sign up for Sony creditcard = $100 off
Walmart was selling PS3 for $400 with $100 giftcard
Some Bestbuy was pricematching Walmart.

Using the Sony creditcard and buying a PS3 from walmart or Bestbuy at the time = $100 off creditcard + free $100 giftcard = $200 PS3, wifi, blu-ray,40gb.

[dcbronco]

The things that you need for the PS3 are just that. Things you actually need. The things for the Xbox are things that some might want. You make the choice.

[Pixel_Addict]

once you do realize you 'want' those things then you're going to have to pay through the nose. Let's get real though, "Things you actually need", you don't NEED a video game console, so your entire argument is a mute point.

Microsoft said downloadable content is their focus for the Xbox 360, but how can that be when some 360 models have not HD to store this DL content, heck even the ones that do are not large enough. Also, Microsoft is planning to use more 'manditory installs' for future games, there is a rumor that Rage (360/PS3) will have to install.

I think you bought a 360 and are grabbing at anything to justify your purchase. There is probably a nagging feeling you may not have made the right choice.

There is nothing wrong with the Xbox 360, if you've already purchased one then good on ya'.

[Bladestar]

@Pixel_Addict - are you playing stupid? I sure hope so...

Keep it within context... can you do that?

Since we are talking about "GAMES" and if you want to play the "GAMES" it's obvious that you "NEED" a game console... damn... let me see if I can make it clear cause I don't think you are going to understand what I am talking about....

You see, you do not need toilet paper since you can use your hands, news paper, etc... but that does not stop you from saying, "I need to go to the super market and buy toilet paper."...

get it? maybe not.. but at least I tried...

Noticed, within the context of "playing games" there are stuff that you need... and other things that you would like to have...

you see the whole point of the different SKUs on the xbox 360 is to give people the choice to "PAY" less by not buying something they will not use....

Should Sony also include an HDTV with the PS3 and priced it at $1,600?

Next month people will be able to pay $199 for an xbox 360...

I personally love that this option exists; I currently have 3 xbox 360s... I live having friends over to play games... many of my friends own a 360... and the ability of easily swapping the xbox 360 drive (which you can't do with the PS3) means they can bring all their content and not the entire console... I'm also able to change where I want to play games if anyone is using the TV in my living room I can snap the hard drive into another xbox 360...

If I want to do the same with the PS3 I cant without having to move the console...

some people also use the xbox 360 as a media hub... specially soon when you can stream Netflix videos... why should I have to pay for a hard drive, wireless, etc?

I was an idiot when the xbox 360 came out... and purchased the wireless adapter... very dumb idea... not only your games plays better while wired.. but if you use your xbox 360 or even PS3 to stream video, content from your network.. you will see a big difference...

[dcbronco]

@Pixel_Addict

I think Bladestar is on to something. I don't need or want Blu-Ray...talk about paying through the nose. I already have a network adapter, I didn't need to pay for another. I wanted the console for games.

Microsoft never said downloadable content is the focus of the 360, they said DL was the future. The 360 has never had a mandatory install and I have never heard anything about Rage having one. You're confusing your consoles.

I am very happy with my 360. You may be a child, but I'm a grown ass man. I don't have to justify my personal choices to anyone. You're way off there.

[silverchode]

the 360 is around the same price as the wii, but it doesnt sell like it even with its library of games it seems people are starting to see it as old hardware.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Believe it or not some people just want a machine they can put a game into an play it. Don't care about WiFi, don't care about HDD, Don't care about downloads, don't care about Movies. Just put a game in and go. This is where the Arcade SKU is perfect.

One thing the Wii is teaching these companies by absolutely whooping both the PS3 and 360's sales to a pulp is that casuals care more about the price(and the gimmick)more than they do the features. If grandma is buying her grand son a machine to play games on she isn't going to give to craps about Blu-ray or any of the other stuff.

Everyone I know who is waiting for the price drop to get a 360 aren't even entertaining the PS3 and have zero interest in it.

[juuken]

The 360 had a pricecut and the PS3 still outsold it.
How do you explain that?

People want new IP's, innovation and creativity. They don't want to see the same sh*t over, and over, AND over again!

[Cajun Chicken]

"If grandma is buying her grand son a machine to play games on she isn't going to give to craps about Blu-ray or any of the other stuff."

I can tell you, she isn't buying a 360 full of prolific violence encouraging games either; Wii for that kid.

[Obama]

"Believe it or not some people just want a machine they can put a game into an play it"

How can those people enjoy the games when their 360 crap out on them?

[Rampant]

... Because the ps3 had 2 pricecuts within a few months?
Because MGS4-bundles were still selling like hotcakes? (You know, Sonys biggest exclusive).

Oh, and about "people want new IPs, not the same crap over again". Final Fantasy THIRTEEN, Metal Gear Solid FOUR, Ratchet & Clank FIVEHUNDREDANDSIXTYTHREE, Gran Turismo FIVE... You know, the best selling and most awaited games on the ps3;)

[juuken]

"... Because the ps3 had 2 pricecuts within a few months?"

That's because of production costs jackass. They also got rid of BD in order to help with that as well. The 360 had pricecuts because Microsoft knew they were losing against the PS3 and there was little reason to own a 360 anymore. Microsoft was starting to get nervous and when you get nervous, you tend to do *drastic* things.

There's a huge difference between that.

"Because MGS4-bundles were still selling like hotcakes? (You know, Sonys biggest exclusive)."

The MGS4 bundles *are* still selling like hotcakes. Nice, clever way of flaming the PS3 but you're failing miserably as usual.

"Final Fantasy THIRTEEN, Metal Gear Solid FOUR, Ratchet & Clank FIVEHUNDREDANDSIXTYTHREE, Gran Turismo FIVE... You know, the best selling and most awaited games on the ps3;)"

LITTLE BIG PLANET
HEAVY RAIN
EYEPET
SAVAGE MOON
FAT PRINCESS
WHITE KNIGHT CHRONICLES

*Those* are new IP's moron! How about doing some research first dumb ass bot!

Why are you bots so stupid?

[Rampant]

Yeah, when Sony does it it's because of "production costs", when microsoft does it, it's desperation. Just like when Microsoft launches Lips, they copy everything, and when Sony launches Trophies, nobody cares.

Oh, and:

Gears of War
Braid
Bioshock (timed exclusive)
Mass Effect
Left 4 Dead
Alan Wake
Lost Planet
Dead Rising

No new IP´s for Microsoft, eh? =)

[Draperc]

Gears of War = Mindless TPS game.
Bioshock (timed exclusive) = 1 year old FPS game.
Mass Effect = Another mindless shooter.
Left 4 Dead = Zombie themed mindless shooter.
Alan Wake = God knows when this'll be out.
Lost Planet = Yet another mindless third person shooter
Dead Rising = Good game, but not new.

The PS3 has more EXCLUSIVE NEW games that aren't first or third person shooters. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who's getting tired of mindless "shoot 'em up" games. I'm even starting to get sick of Call of duty 4 now. Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, just a few games to look forward to that aren't mindless shooters.

[gamer1000]

PEOPLE FINALLY NOTICING THE DIFFERENCE

[AAACE5]

Xbox 360 is technically inferior in almost every way compared to the Ps3! Is that what people want to hear?

It doesn't matter. What is alot of potential 360 owners do not plan on going on-line? A lot of people I talk to about buying a 360 or Ps3 don't really care about online because for one they don't care to pay for the internet, all they care about is playing games.

We care about it because that's what we do! The Ps3 is a well crafted piece of machinery, with alot of cutting edge technology and should get the respect it deserves... but the average consumer doesn't or may not care about all that stuff. All they may care about is weather it can play the game they want to play! Same thing goes for the 360.

Even though we pay alot for these consoles, alot of gamers don't respect them as high end pieces of technology, and do stupid things with their consoles like leave them on the carpet, kick em, sit them on speakers, trap them in confined spaces, spill things on them,etc. because to them it's just a game system... nothing more!

It's an ugly truth that I hate to see, but these things are actually happening!

[dcbronco]

My bad.

[59fifty8]

i bought my ps3 and the only thing i bought was hdmi where the 360 u hav to buy a hdmi adapter then buy an hdmi u see,

[n4gno]

..and they does'nt count bluray drive !

[poopface1]

that the only accessory Ive bought for my 360 was a 25 dollar charger/battery. I dont need all taht crap. I dont understand whay morons dont understand that you can play games with a 200 dollar system. no one cares about this crap unless they are trying to justify their purchase.

[Bladestar]

asd

[Raoh]

regarding BC on the PS3

i think the only way for sony to kill the ps2 i via Digital Distribution

but why do it if there are BC compatible ps3's? easy no more BC ps3's

some companies didnt see a reason to upgrade code from a ps2 to ps3 (square's ffxi is proof of that, ffxi was ported from ps2/pc to the 360 but not to the ps3, only ps2 BC ps3's can play it)

how important is BC to me? not much, i bought two 80gb ps3's that are Backward Compatible.. to play indigo prophecy, ffxi, shadow of the collosus etc etc etc

but if it were available for download..... maybe i would have bought the 40gb model.... (currently i'm looking to buy a third ps3)

but if you have warhawk, socom, gran turismo, burnout paradise,siren, psn titles making money and getting hits

copanies like square would write the code (especially once they learned how to make a ps3 game)

[Truplaya]

yes the PS3 is the better machine but why does my 360 get 3/4 of my time spent gaming and my PS3 only 1/4?

Anyone else who actually has both consoles spend more time on their PS3 than their 360? - HONESTLY

[thehitman]

you had your 360 first so you have more games/friends atm. I have friends who barely touch their 360s and they have both and I do have friends like you who barely touch their ps3. But the 1s that barely touch their ps3 is just mainly they didnt buy much games for it not ps3 fault but theirs.

[00000000000000000001]

My PS3 has cost me way more than my 360, longer USB cable ($20.00), HDMI cable ($50.00), new controllers(dualshock3) ($100.00), larger HDD ($90.00). I also had to pay for a wireless that I don't use!

[thehitman]

360 has no hdmi so ofc lol you got ripped off on the longer usb and you dont need a larger HDD and a controller doesnt count towards "cost factor" in your purchase. Every1 buys a 2nd controller and they cost less than the 360 controllers.

[poopface1]

you have no Idea what your talking about. All 360 sold now have HDMi, even arcade. My 360 pro from last year hads HDMi.

[thehitman]

Well im assuming his doesnt have 1 because if it did he shouldnt have mentioned him having to buy 1 since they are universal so either way he still an idiot.

[jrsenkbe]

If anyone who plays games has any sense this has been a long known fact. People just hate the idea of spending more than $300 on one specific thing it seems.

You can actually buy HDMDI cables at the following website for $6.00 bucks delievered to you. Go to Monoprice.com. When I bought my PS3 someone pointed me to the site its great and the cables work awsome.

[Sez]

you know what. maybe they are right. i have spent more on my 360 then i did on my ps3. it's called GAMES. this yeasr alone i have spent close to $500 on games alone for my 360. so i guess they are right.

[tom9177]

Finally the truth is being told.All i've heard is there should be another price drop for the PS3.The 360 has always been more expensive when you factor in all the extras.There has been so much propaganda spread from shows like AOTS and X-Play that most people haven't taken a real look at the cost of the consoles.I had originally bought a 360 but quickly realized all the extra costs and even though the PS3 was more expensive, you get everything included.Plus no fear of the RROD.I hope more people will finally wake up and forget about the 360 once and for all.

[jrsenkbe]

When I was deciding between a 360 and PS3 I quickly realized that even with purchasing a bigger HDD for my PS3 I would have to buy the elite 360 plus 150 for wi-fii and online for what I got with my PS3. MS just is too arogant and it also shows in the MS fanboys.

MS seems to take the idea that its American made so its better and guess what if it wasnt for the japenese we probably wouldnt have all of the games that we label as classics now.

[sonyfanonly]

i know somebody that has already been through three 360 s and all the money he spent on them could of bought a ps3 with about 3 AAA games i dont understand people the ps3 may be more expensive but its worth trust me you will get your moneys worth im still on my 20 gig. from launch and it still runs and plays perfect

[thehitman]

20gig ur not a real sony fan u need a 60/80gig