While Sony and Microsoft sit back and watch the pot of rumors boil over, unable to even mutter the slightest word on the situation of revamped hardware, Nintendo is free from such paralyzation, able to lay out the groundwork for fans.
no. if nintendo were honest about the nx, they would announce it will have no third party support, have obsolete technology inside and be extortionately priced. they would also announce the reason they are delaying wiiu zelda for ANOTHER YEAR to release simultaneously on nx, is because without it, there would be little to no reason to buy an nx at launch.
Wow! Look everybody this kid already knows everything about the NX! He must be psychic! LOL! You are just a sad, delusional and misinformed individual.
every console launches with obsolete hardware lmao
Lol u wish. Get a girlfriend and a life already lol u must be the sadest person to ever live. Jeeez d;o)
I honestly don't agree with Nintendos approach to how the reveal games and consoles but that just me and have my reasons. I really hope that they deliver with the NX and start to compete again but I wont hold my breath and expect some kind of gimmick with the NX and it wont be aimed at the hardcore gamers. This is coming from someone who grew up on the NES, SNES, N64 and the Game Cube which I enjoyed but had my doubts on where Nintendo was heading after that.
To hell with the hardcore gamers. In my opinion, they are the biggest whiners of them all!
Agreed as an owner as well of those previous platforms I'm currently skeptical of their approach and definitely don't think it's a great idea currently how they've been marketing their games and platforms.
They sure weren't honest about the wiiu, and it tanked. You willing to trust your hard earned money with a company that is stuck a decade behind everyone else, you're pretty brave.
There not a decade behind ? Maybe in your head mate as you gush over Sony Playstation's and all they do every gen is the same all over again but with slightly more power,at least Nintendo bring fresh ideas to the table unlike Sony or Microsoft... Nintendo's new president is straight to the point and this will make Nintendo popular in the west again....
On sony's defense, it is bringing alot of indie games to the table through ps4 and the PSVR is pretty revolutionary when a company can bring a VR HMD to the masses without losing money per headset
Yes a decade behind. How are you going to watch your bluray films on the NX if it has a cartridge insert?
Not when DLC is something brand new to this company, not when they don't even have a proper online infrastructure and not when PlayStation network is making more money than all of Nintendo... It's hard to disagree with the notion that this company is 10 years behind because I'm pretty positive in 2006 both Sony and Microsoft had online infrastructures with the basic necessities Nintendo is lacking lots of those are very basic things currently. They didn't have a unified account system yet were curious as to why people didn't end up purchasing lots of digital content but when you lock digital content to a platform specifically as opposed to an account of course is going to make anyone apprehensive about purchasing anything long-term that they'd have no tangible ownership over on any account elsewhere. That's what people mean when they say this company's a decade behind cuz I'm pretty positive PlayStation 3 when it first released was not locking games to the hardware, neither was Microsoft 360. I'm sorry buddy but I'm not trying to say this company is better or worse or anything like that I'm merely pointing out that it's extremely difficult to really say they're not behind on many many features. I'm still in absolute shock and disbelief that the Wii U even released in the state that it did considering it released six years after these other platforms yet still lacked some of those platforms basic features.
Well said. Sony and Microsoft have always played it safe with just releasing better hardware each console generation. Nintendo actually INNOVATES and takes RISKS. Sony and MS take the back seat and see if it's successful or not. PS Move (blatant copy of Wii remote) and Kinect would not have been created if it wasn't for the success of the Wii.
I've got more Wii U games, than PS4 & X1 games combine. The Wii U is only a waste of money to ppl that can only afford one console and they mostly play 3rd party games. Imo
I for one own the Wii U because I support Nintendo and don't care for third party titles. Haven't bought one in many years.
I had a WiiU, it was a waste of money because I didn't want to play more Mario. I was actually dumb enough to think I would be playing Zelda already, and that they would make a true console Pokémon and Metroid. But I was dumb and my WiiU collected dust for 2 whole years before I sold it.
Examples of this dishonesty?
lol being tight lipped i guess.....
They are stuck behind in some things sure online infrastructure and playing online but 10 years? If that was the case motion controls and touch screens would be coming in now they didn't they came in 10 years ago thanks to Nintendo with the Wii and DS. Not only that I don't see what was dishonest about Wii U it's a games console it plays games they've not said its more powerful than a ps7 or is future proof for the next 20 years. If you want honesty id go with Nintendo anytime over Xbox. Dishonest how? As for the comment below 10 years how you gonna watch a blu Ray? On my ps4 duh like my PS3 before that I didn't buy a Wii or Wii U to play blu Rays I bought it so I could play some of the best games around. They didn't advertise it as having blu Ray so what's the problem, only problem I can see is if you bought a Wii u for a blu Ray player.. Why when was that ever advertised. More to the point when have Nintendo ever allowed you to watch traditional films I never saw my NES/SNES Accepting Videos or my N64 or GameCube accepting dvd's Sony so this sure and it's great Nintendo make games consoles for games not entertainment hubs for the sitting room/average family.
Most sales of ps4 r for Netflix lol 40 million sales only half bought games
My hard earned money will always be spent on Nintendo for they don't let me down. The other two have never gained my interest and mainly are entertainment devices, not gaming machines.
If they don't support indie games and have a great 3rd party support.... Not interested.
You clearly don't have a Wii U. Indies are supported massively on that console.
they are supported more than Nintendo has in the past but not as much as their competitors
they sure weren't honest when they keep showing that zelda demo(cutscene) to show how great the wiiu before its release, and the amiibo were it can be used for all games, and compar it with skylanders(where they lied saying it most sold on wiiu) but now its just a toy bought by 30 old.
Nothing dishonest about the Zelda demo...because it was just a tech demo meant to show off the capabilities of the WiiU. It was in no way supposed to suggest the art style of the next Zelda.
Are you for real? The Last Guardian would like to have a word with you. Amiibo is a massive success. #DealWithIt
You don't have games so you have to play with Happymeal toys. What a joke!
How were they dishonest about the zelda demo that was clearly tagged as tech demo?
They specifically said multiple times that it was a tech demo and the real zelda would look nothing like it. Also amiibo are pretty much used in all first party nintendo games and people complain about it every time.
That Zelda demo was a tech demo (and they said as much, repeatedly). There's nothing dishonest about any of that.
How is it that the PS3 is still being manufactured yet the Wii U is rumored to be discontinued within 2 years?
When things like that happen it's usually because the consoles are being sold in other markets, I'd imagine ps3s are still being sold in china for example. That's not really much of an indicator of whether or not consoles are still being sold though. I don't know about you but I can't remember the last time that I walked into a shop and saw a row of new ps3s on the shelf.
Sony would be foolish to discontinue the PS3. Especially when the PS4 has no native backwards compatibility.
Xbone doesn't have native backwards compatibility either yet Microsoft discontinued the Xbox 360.
I don't understand this concept of honesty or transparency in regards of a rumor. There's a good reason why most companies in any industry do not just go out responding to every single last rumor and speculation on anything happening. So I don't believe Nintendo was merely being honest as if they're just morally just company I believe they had a very great reason that they believed any way to announce the NX right now and I think it might have been the failed Wii U. Most companies would not do this so they don't cannibalize their existing console sales but in Nintendo's respect the Wii U failed and it was not going to get any better so they saw this as an opportunity to still maintain some excitement and relevance through the next year by announcing another platform because there was no saving the WiiU anyway so they're using this extended period to Market its presence I supposed to leave the Wii U to gain more sales as I don't believe they have any faith in the product continuing to sell. PlayStation 4 and Xbox One had to release within the year of their announcements merely because PlayStation 3 and 360 were still actually selling so they weren't going to cannibalize those sales they were going to wait and then do an announcement when they knew they had a very good window to release and have very minimal lost sales. For Nintendo and the Wii U that's clearly not an option so I believe they just cut their losses and begin marketing early as they saw no point in trying to save that which is already dead. I personally think it's a bad idea to even speak about a new platform before the company is ready to actually reveal it. I think even confirming it before revealing it is just giving more fuel to fire to allow people to feel that they even have something substantial based on those rumors which I actually think inevitably will hurt them. they don't need to be transparent about everything but they shouldn't be out here confirming any release on any date on a product that not a single soul has even seen based on people are just going to continue to use what they revealed to what is being rumored so Nintendo is basically giving the people with rumors more reason to believe that those indications are correct. Even them stating that the Wii U and 3DS will be replaced by NX is doing nothing more than confirming to many people that it's a hybrid device. Something that would have just remained a questionable rumor is now being substantiated by the official company... Which in my personal opinion would have been better to say absolutely nothing to give people a big shock moment at the reveal now it seems that many people on here kind of have an understanding of what Nintendo is likely going to reveal because they themselves keep basically telling people the device which is also confirming some rumors.
I agree it wasn't really much of a moral decision. IIRC the NX was announced at the same time as their mobile plans in order to quell investors worries that nintendo would be abandoning dedicated hardware. They were pretty much forced to reveal the NX earlier than they would have wanted to. Which explains why we've known about it for at least a year but not had any marketing whatsoever surrounding it.
One must understand they were trying to go for an iPhone type release where you show off the Hardware at E3 and then 3 to 4 months later release the console on the wave of anticipation the reveal caused. But this was envisioned by Iwata and sadly he is no longer here so Kimishima and Nintendo had to step up and set everybody's expectation. They needed to inform the public it would not be shown at E3 to preserve the anticipation and mitigate the disappointment as much as possible. They must be confident the "Nx" will speak to video gamers because even with the initial disappointment they knew this announcement would cause Kimishima believes its still worth guarding until virtually the last minute (in the business world). It's risky but I think they are going to surprise doubters in the way most want them to, with new games and good "new" hardware. So I do have to disagree with you somewhat, this is the honorable and not always business savvy thing to do. To delay is to ensure their vision most companies compromise for sales or getting a jump on the market. They pretty much had to confirm the date after it leaked from the financial meeting, I really don't think they had the intention of revealing the date to the public and actually only had the intention of telling the public that it would not make an appearance at E3, but push came to shove and both were announced at the same time.
"So I do have to disagree with you somewhat, this is the honorable and not always business savvy thing to do" Is also selling less hardware and software as well as making less money also honorable? At some point this company is going to go out of business when they do would it have been honorably? The concept of business is to make money, this move could potentially make them lose money which potentially has them not even existing. So I'd rather have them stay tight-lipped and exist for the future then keep folding to every single rumor and possibly go out of business. I don't agree with their decision to not Market a product that they've just told people is releasing. It's one thing when a rumor isn't confirmed, it's another thing when a company is announcing parts of the platform in pieces and people are now confusing what is rumored with what is official because they've yet to even show the product. When both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One were rumored there was no intermingling the rumor with anything official because when both companies announced their platforms they announced everything that was going with it, the specs, the date, the games etc. When have you heard Apple announced a new phone yet not show it? When have you heard Microsoft announced a new product yet not show it? Really? There is a good reason why this company is selling less Hardware, less software and overall making less money that doesn't just happen on accident.
"Is also selling less hardware and software as well as making less money also honorable? At some point this company is going to go out of business when they do would it have been honorably?" You actually don't know whether this will negatively affect their sales that's an opinion based on your own reaction and feeling to the current situation, but by no means are you the WHOLE market. Also that's exactly what honor is that you stick by your convictions regardless of how it adversely affects you because it's for the betterment as a whole, both to the consumer and the developers who NEED more time. They aren't close to going out of business and that makes me wonder how much you actually base on fact vs. opinion. "The concept of business is to make money, this move could potentially make them lose money which potentially has them not even existing." You've already said this, and once again they have had more success than failure in the last 100= years. That's precisely why they have $10 billion in SPARE money NOT liquidatable assets (the war chest). So again for the second time they aren't worried about going out of business because 1) They have the money to fail time and time again. 2) They are still profitable. 3) They know how to do business 100X better than you and have been doing it for far longer than we've been able to draw breath. "So I'd rather have them stay tight-lipped and exist for the future then keep folding to every single rumor and possibly go out of business. I don't agree with their decision to not Market a product that they've just told people is releasing." I'd love to see your Business or Business Management degree, How about Economics degree? How about accountant certification? and if you have any of these why are you sitting here telling us about anecdotal observations of the market from the outside looking in with no insight into how this stuff actually works? It's because you aren't qualified to, you're a consumer not an analyst or any of those aforementioned degree qualified occupations, so consume or not up to you. Its sort of like when I sent an email to Nintendo of how big a failure the Wii would be after the specs were released, to which they replied " We respectfully accept your opinion and concern. Nintendo is not currently discussing the the technical specifications as the hardware has been finalized" yada yada yada "sincerely Nintendo" then it sells over 100 million and is profitable from day 1 unlike the other 2. So like me and my opinion at that time it sometimes takes somebody telling you to shut up and watch a bit to understand that you really don't know much or what you think you do. "When both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One were rumored there was no intermingling the rumor with anything official because when both companies announced their platforms they announced everything that was going with it, the specs, the date, the games etc." Research that again, actually specs continually changed Microsoft said 4 gigs of ram then Sony announced 8 and they officially changed. Also the DRM fiasco, kinect etc etc. You're a bit jaded on that one. but i'll concede this point. "When have you heard Apple announced a new phone yet not show it? " Worked for apple for 8 years and the iPhone comes out every year you don't need to announce it. Lol you know its coming the only thing you don't know is what it will feature that's new (usually it isn't much of an upgrade). So it actually happens for 10 months after the release of one iPhone to another.
"When have you heard Microsoft announced a new product yet not show it? " Microsoft has yet to win a gen this point is moot, unless you're talking about as a business as a whole in which case we aren't, we are only talking about nintendo in their home console capacity, Handhelds are their bread and butter and have rarely been wrong. we aren't talking about other Nintendo ventures just NX. "There is a good reason why this company is selling less Hardware, less software and overall making less money that doesn't just happen on accident." You just have a very short term view, Nintendo is not even a generation removed from winning a generation with the Wii. Sony went from over 120 consoles sold back to back generations to fall to 80 million last gen and vita has been selling like shit, everybody was death knelling sony too just a few short years ago. Just face it most of you know nothing of the market and spew your own opinions as fact just based of your own uninsightful observations. You sell less hardware you innately sell less software to play on that limited amount of systems. Still the Ratio to Wii U owner and software purchase per Wii u is higher than Micro or Sony. And again Iwata was the one who said NX would be at e3 is he still alive and global president? So I guess what i'm saying is Nintendo "is under new management" you really can't look for precedent.. Especially in the console race where every gen the race restarts. One Year its Wii, Currently it's Ps4, next gen could be Xbox2. A fickle game the race is.
@C_A-"You actually don't know whether this will negatively affect their sales" I know that they have a very long history of making very poor decisions in regards to marketing. Based on where this company currently is I can't honestly say that these are great and choices based on their past history if they were known for doing such things they would not be losing so much money currently. "both to the consumer and the developers who NEED more time" Doesn't that also questioned the competency of this company? Are you not questioning if such a thing was true why on Earth did they announce the release date of something they weren't even ready to show? "They have the money to fail time and time again." Not really bud I think you need to take a look at their finances. It's going to cost them literally billions of dollars to Market developed through R&D and physically make those consoles and if they don't make a return on that investment it's literally billions lost they actually can't afford to spend more money than they're taking in especially if you factor PlayStation network is making more money than the entire company. "They know how to do business 100X better than you " I'm not sure why you're so desperate to make this so personal the reality is I'm free to criticize and speculate on a company that has a history of making questionable decisions that have resulted in them making less money. I've literally stated this over 7 years ago regarding this company's questionable moves in right now for a fact once again they are selling less Hardware selling less software and making less money but that's something that's easily predictable when the company is not bringing in new consumers. Mind you I have a degree in Business Administration, I helped several businesses in my community, I own a business myself did you think it was strange that I was always talking about the business side of Gaming? Lol It doesn't take someone with a business degree to know that not adapting to your competition will result in failure you don't need someone like me to tell you that if they don't build an online infrastructure they're missing out on literally billions! You don't need me to tell you that having an architecture for third-party to work on or result and getting more games at this company literally made proprietary Hardware twice....
Mind you several years ago I was off on my prediction I literally stated that Nintendo was going to use an architecture that was more easy to develop for and they were going to have a real online infrastructure they literally failed both!!!!!! I cannot explain why a company that knows what the problem is has been openly criticized about what the problem is shows to do the exact same thing again it's beyond all logic. Many developers criticized the difficulty of development on the wii they openly criticized the development of the Wii u read rocksteady's statements regarding Arkham Knight and you'll understand. Why does someone need a business degree to know that making the same mistake twice will result in Failure? Buddy all you need is simple common sense to tell you maybe that's not a good idea. A long list of developers stating they wouldn't work with the company is enough to tell you it wasn't a good idea with the Wii and even stupider idea to do it again with the Wii U EA making 100 million from Battlefield 3 DLC alone is enough to tell you it's a stupid mistake by Nintendo to not build an architecture for them to make more money on. Do you seriously need McDonald's to tell you to put a drive-thru and your burger stand? Do you really need Pizza Hut laughing at you to tell you to start delivering pizzas? So how much do your competitors need to laugh at you before you realize something's wrong? Even with me having a degree in something regarding business can not answer to you why this company has chosen to make so many clear and obvious mistakes and their current financial situation is very much reflecting many poor decisions in the last 15 years. MIndiana you Microsoft may have not won a single console generation but at least they're more consistent than Nintendo in fact if they keep this pace Next Generation they would have been more consistent than Nintendo has ever been in their company's history... Nintendo beginning to fail with their third console and it began to become extremely inconsistent after that .Microsoft on their third console is more consistent and shows no sign of slowing down. Mind you the original Xbox has more sales than the Wii U... "Microsoft has yet to win a gen this point is moot, unless you're talking about as a business as a whole in which case we aren't, we are only talking about nintendo in their home console capacity," Yet Microsoft has progressively learned from almost every single mistake they've made in gaming. Yet Nintendo made a series of mistakes on 2 console Generations in a row. LMFAO! Some of the mistakes this company has made its just textbook stupidity, you must diversify or die you need to know your competitors you need to know your consumers in this company is literally almost clueless to what consumers are seeking as to make the same exact mistakes despite very huge key industry figures warning them an outright telling them they want to support their platform otherwise. Epic merely mentioned for Microsoft had half a gig of ram in the 360 to have the unreal 3 engine work properly and they did it Sam and Dan Houser made slide comments about 360 DVD drive and Xbox One Microsoft put in Blu-ray I'm sorry but you cannot just say these things about Microsoft a company that is openly Progressive in seeking to do things correct by developers and consumers. Sure bud. PSN making more money than Nintendo has all I really need to hear.....
This article is nothing more than fanboy spin making excuses for Nintendo's terrible decisions, and it makes no sense at all. How is Nintendo "being honest" about the NX, when they refuse to give any details at all about it? If anything, they're worried about the upgraded PS4 and XB1, and afraid that the NX will be unable to compete with those systems.
They stated they favour a strong launch lineup vs. holiday season sales. And don't wanna rush it. What more do you exspect? They are just not ready yet. Makes no sense for them to release more details, when the launch is 10 month away imo. Also it's not like Sony or Microsoft are totally "open and honest" about their upgrades. All of them hold their cards tight to their chest right now. I can understand that. Btw: Nobody on this forum can assess, if Nintendo made a good or bad decision by skipping E3 (as a reveal opportunity). We just have no background information whatsoever. They will propably have their reasons and not roling a dice ...
NX will be great
You both don't know. Maybe we could find some rational middle ground and stop the exagerations - be it "doom and gloom" or "yet unearned praise".
Like clockwork the troll appears. Yes we do know
Nintendo is not "frank" about anything with the exception of Kimasimi making it official (about a year after the fact) that they are done w the wii u- There are few companies as self serving w their pr as Nintendo- If they were really honest they would have told everyone they were not going to put much effort in the Wii u before it launched
@Dumbar67 Disregard fact and chronology to make a point, yet when something fails you move on. They had every intention of supporting Wii U and when sales petered and 3rd party abandoned there was nothing to be done. Do you think a company would invest millions in a console to INITIALLY not intend to support it??? Your argument is fallacious and you sound like a child. I've owned the Wii U since launch and have more games for it than Ps4, I have played it more than my Ps4 and have paid less for all that it has to offer in comparison to the Ps4. So am I disappointed its life is pretty much done, yes! but if you ask me whether I feel cheated or abandoned the answer is no. Ive gotten hundreds of hours of fun out of it and will continue to do so for years to come with virtually Every Zelda game on it, the wii and wii u catalogue I own and my downloaded eshop games, it's lived up to its 300$ price tag and more. I doubt you own one and thats the only way you can make such an argument when every console maker is about to shove a .5 down your throat!!! Are you happy with the mileage your Ps4 or Xone has gotten so far? Cause I'm not, Bloodborne, 1 month of Shitty ass Destiny, MGSV, GTAV which is last gen's game. Killzone..... Still playing Bloodborne lol, SUCH GAMEZ!!!!!! oh and paying for online is pretty shitty for voice or party chat. 3 years of services- 150-200$ Initial PS4 or Xone- 399$ PS4.5 or X.5- >400$+ VR- $400+ Not including games, accessories etc..... and you call Nintendo not "frank"?? Have the other two told you the expect you to shell out over 1200$ over the course of this gen alone? and you have the audacity to criticize the only one being honest enough to say they aren't launching their device until it has a LIBRARY of games. That's as honest as video game companies get man.
Sales died immediately after the 1st 2-3 months after launch- 3rd partes are the resposibility of the console make to get in line and make it worth their effort to support- You answered your own question about 3rd parties- Why would a 3rd party support the Wii U when Nintendo would not give close to full support to it and it s NINTENDO s console- By your logic you think 3rd parties and consumers should support/be happy with the WII U but its totally reasonable that Nintendo drop it like a hot potato- If you are happy with Nintendo s effort tat is god- you must have had a low opinion of Nintendo before you bought the Wii U as they met your lowered expectations- But i expect more from them and more for my hard earned money- I bought the Wii U at launch for my then 8 year old Son- so i was there at the start as well-
@Dunban- completely agree. If you create an infrastructure that is easy to support developers will have no problem supporting you're platform. As an old-school Nintendo fan I could never be happy with the effort that Nintendo put into the wii u it's a complete embarrassment and they listen to nothing that consumers were asking for and what developers themselves were asking for. If you're a console maker you should be absolutely ashamed that the top developers in the industry are shaming your platform. That's no different than being a retail store and having dozens of vendors talking about your terrible business practices and saying publicly they're taking their business elsewhere.
You actually haven't refuted anything you just made a whole boat load of crap up, third parties didn't leave 3 months in, Nintendo is still supporting the console and the use of third party is to fill in gaps from first and second party devs. Thats why both Ps4 and Xone have more THIRD PARTY GAMES. Don't try to trivialize what third party means to prove a nonexistent point. Nintendo supported Wii U and has numerous quality first party games as they ALWAYS do. And again i'm very happy with the effort Nintendo put forth I can name numerous games i own and still play on it. Whereas as I stated Bloodborne for Ps4 is the only game I still play on Ps4. The wii U didnt sell and we know third parties want to make money, I really don't know what you're trying to argue Nintendo did not stop supporting the Wii U but it is apparent its not gonna sell much more NO MATTER WHAT! I got Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Mario 3d world, Got NsMB Wii u, I have SSB, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Mario Tennis, Pikmin 3, Mario Maker, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Pokken Tournament all from nintendo in 3 years, and thats excluding the sparse third party games I purchased like Need for speed, Tekken, Resident evil, Assassins Creed BOTH (trash), Mass effect, Deus Ex, Splinter Cell, COD Black ops, Madden 13 etc and the OLD Zelda games and remakes which also bumps up Nintendo's output.. Third parties were lazy and knew it'd be easier to focus on NEW Ps4 and Xone multiplats instead of creating a whole new engine for Wii U games so they lazily ported old games, then when they didn't sell they used it as an excuse to not support it further.. They abandoned it fully late 2014 into early 2015, i'll admit EA was early 2014 when they stopped. Now Nintendo has followed suit in stating no new games will be made for THAT system in 2016 but Nintendo didn't abandon anybody (still has Zelda coming) and whatever you expected and most likely didn't get (third party games) is the only argument you can actually make. The Nx is poised rectify what went wrong with Wii U namely third party games, Nintendo always supports their own consoles ,cause clearly third parties haven't in a while. It's also been stated and rumored that games were moved from Wii U to NX development late last year which you can probably thank Kimishima for as after Iwata died he probably forfeited any loyalty to Wii U as it was he that was initially against launching Wii U how it was. So again, the only argument that can be made is that you didnt receive third party support, because up until last year games were still being made for the Wii U by Nintendo which is the absolute opposite of abandonment. So how do you feel about the .5? has it earned your hard earned money? How many exclusives do you own from the other companies in 3 years? I have about 5 for PS4... So worth it!!! might even upgrade to ps4k just to celebrate /s.
some of you guys act like the wife/girlfriend of physical abusers- no matter how bad they treat you, now matter how hard they beat you- everyone around you can see what is going on- but you say "NO NO! they really are good, they really care! they really love me" Do t let a company treat you like a victim and for goodness sake don t don t praise them for doing so- I bought a wii u at launch- so i got burned too but I damn sure have not been congratulating them for it- and i won t buy the NX at launch if at all- Nintendo will have to put the actual product on the table 1st before i pay them again Nintendo had so much ability to do more for the Wii u and it may not have ever been a big success,but it could have done much better- and they could have built real momentum going into the NX- all they have built now is mistrust in the market place- After the 1st 2 or 3 milion hard core and blnd loyal fans buy the NX, Nintendo will have to work hard to earn the rest of their sales- I hope they do- For the record i don t have any other console- just a Wii U (this generation)- my household has a Wii and 3DS also which have been worth the price- of course i bought the Wii in the snd half of its life so there were plenty of games day 1 and the price had dropped- same with the 3DS- although the fact they did the XL then not too much later did the NEW 3ds XL was frustrating- would have waited on the New 3ds XL - instead just traded in for the XL and did not buy the NEW XL
No its more like I have a life and I'm not going to blame Nintendo for trying to create an experience. I spend 300$ on things that last me a day or two so when something gives me enjoyment and I feel the purchase was justified I won't vilify them for that. I'm not going to lambaste a company because the general public thinks its the cool thing to do. Honest it's given me more enjoyment than anything else this gen so how do I justify being angry? You tell me that? Well the Wii U disappointed you, I wish I could change that opinion with my experiences with the console but I can't and your experience and opinion of that experience will still be just that. The funny thing is you liken some Nintendo fans to abuse victims and at the other end lies those who lament, cry, whine and criticize because " I spent my MONEY" . The rig was 300$ a new mortgage or lean was not necessary so this outrage isn't justified, the same crap people spewed with Dreamcast and lack of games now people look fondly on what little games it had. The same will be true Nintendo's efforts on the Wii U. They were top quality efforts with the exception of " Mario Tennis" but the rest are quality games and entries into their respective series. This is exemplified by how many people although self admittingly "Would never buy a Wii U" hope the NX will be backward compatible!??!! So you want a new console to play games for a console you never wanted? For games that just aren't there? My point being is that the Wii U came in as you said with the support of the "Die Hard Nintendo fans" everybody else from Sony to Microsoft fans never considered the "underpowered console" and spread the vitriolic cynicism that it was unworthy of purchase but anybody who plays NINTENDO games know that the Wii U has exactly that. No Metroid, a bit sad. No, Animal Crossing? I couldn't care less. Still doesn't diminish the excellence of the games they did create. Those harping on BC know that! You seem to be confused as to what exactly it is you want, do you want more Nintendo games? More third party games? What do you want them to do? and how would that make this right in your mind? Release another 20 Nintendo exclusives?? Pay third parties to shell out extra money to remake X86 based games for Wii U? Well some advice don't buy NX at launch, when and if you see it get those things you don't seem too sure of whether you want or not, hop on or off completely. Nx already supposedly has EA, SE, Koei Tecmo and other third party devs (albeit rumors, except for the Dragon Quest and Koei) support. So I think they are doing something the developers like a la switching to X86 making it nothing but a snap to port games. You're not giving the market environment enough credit it made it's call and as long as the consumers think "its underpowered or an attachment" why would they invest in that piece of kit? It was not something they could over come with First party games they tried. I am not congratulating them for the record I am only saying they delivered for what "I" purchased that machine for, Nintendo games. Thats also why I have multiple consoles but I always have. Just angers me that Nintendo is getting a bad rap because I honestly believe they tried with the Wii U and it was Iwata's death and Kimishima's appointment as interim that changed it's fate entirely..
I'm so sick of the "battered wife " metaphor. Domestic violence victims don't stay out of nostalgia but fear. The reason they make those excuses is because they don't want others to get involved and make matters worse not just for them but those closest to them. To those bullies,the only way your leaving them is when they say so. Do you have any idea how many victims walked away from an abusive spouse only to lead into some form of retaliation? Harrasment, blackmail,disfiguring, kidnappings (if children are involved) and even murder can happen. I'm sorry to get off topic but I can't stand that kind of logic. If people stop blaming the victims all the time more people would feel safe and confident enough to get out of those relationships
I ll give you this Cali88- you do seem sincere and you do care for Nintendo- But many (I m sure not all) the people that have issue with Nintendo and their handling of the wii u both now and going back to pre launch, also care about Nintendo- You are happy with them but you are not in the majority- If they do not learn to please more current, future and potential owners of Nintendo consoles, they will either A) not be in the console business too much longer because their investors will force them to deploy their capital in business s that have a return/higher return or B) they will have to change their approach to the gaming market (see mobile and Amiibo among other s) to such an extent that fans like me, you and those millions that grew up loving Nintendo will not recognize them and their beloved game franchises anymore Iwata, just a few short years ago insisted Nintendo did not need to be in the mobile market- had the Wii U been reasonably successful and helped Nintendo s profit rise year to year, cover their dividend and add to their cash hoard, he would have not been forced to shift the time, resources, energy etc they have to mobile- and if Mobile takes off, while the NX struggles there will be A TON more pressure on Nintendo Corp to put more resources in mobile and less in console gaming- Do you realize Nintendo s annual revenues have dropped every year (significantly) since 2008+/- ? Did you know the PS4 has already sold more software than the 3DS lifetime? Sony kicked the Vita 2+/- years ago and it has STILL outsold the Wii U, PSN s annual revenue is nearly as great as Nintendo s entire Company- My point is,, even if you are happy with Nintendo personally, too many people are not and for good reason- Their investors se headlines like i mentioned above and want to know why Nintendo is struggling so much at a time the games industry has grown etc The more poorly Nintendo performs, the more leverage their investors have to force change- and that change proably will not be the kind its current and long time fans will be happy about
Nintendo are honest ? All they have said is the release date aside from that we know nothing Jon Snow style
Honest? Nothing has been said really.
N4G is a community of gamers posting and discussing the latest game news. It’s part of NewsBoiler, a network of social news sites covering today’s pop culture.