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Tim Sweeney: How the Universal Windows Platform is like Facebook and a boiling frog

"Microsoft is working to unify its desktop, mobile, and gaming platforms, but one vocal critic thinks this could come with some frightening consequences for the open legacy of the PC."

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MCTJim3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Hahahaha Sweeney keeps moving the goal posts: "During a fireside chat today at the GamesBeat Summit in Sausalito, California, the Epic Games founder and overseer of the Unreal Engine game-making tool also pushed back against critics of his own who think he’s exaggerating the threat of UWP."

he attacks the platform before he knows anything about it, is given reassurance and is shown that it is an open platform at the build conference and then moves his goal posts even more. Enough already, stop with the FUD Tim, we get it, you are fine with STEAM and UPLAY, even your own launcher, but when MS says this is what we are doing and its going to be open you fly off the handle. Let the Platform speak for itself, you are a developer and you have been given access to exactly what MS said they were going to do. Please enlighten us where and how they are not delivering on what they promised about the UWA and UWP instead of fear mongering and moving goal posts.

Enigma_20993333d ago

Yeah, because Microsoft have never lied and or backtracked on anything before...[/sarcasm]

TheCommentator3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Yeah, and neither has Sony, lol. Under your knights' shining armor sits a warrior who hasn't bathed for months.

Whatever. What i see is that Sweeney is the only one really complaining about The dangers of the UWP, and he looks like one of those soap-box Bible bangers preaching on a street corner at this point. Especially ironnic considering that his company took $80 million from MS for the Gears franchise because Epic was strapped for cash.

Enigma_20993333d ago

@TheCommentator

Notice this isn't a denial.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

I am certain you know less about programming than he does, and while he is concerned for all consumers for some reason (I assume finacial) you always call everything he says FUD.

But the truth is none of the other platforms you name interact directly with Windows operating system in any kind of way that is controlling. That is to say Steam for example has no ability at all to block the ability to use the hardware in your own PC like SLI or Crossfire or things like G Sync or Freesync or audio devices ect. Nor does Steam limit the modification of files that exist on your own hard drive and cause your programs to become un-usable. Also there is no way that Valve for example could write an essential operating system file in such a way that causes other types of files to no longer work with it which is something Microsoft could easily do. Which is to say Microsoft could easily make DX or any essential file only work with UWD.

And the fact of the matter is it's not only Tim Sweeney that is very concerned it's all sorts of computer software developers from game developers to hardware designers. And it's not just UWP that strikes concern, many of the things Microsoft has done recently have shown that Microsoft is trying to push Windows into a closed environment where they are able to control and even monetize any programs that go on Windows such as retaining and enforcing the ability to automatically remove or install programs on your computer with out your permission or even giving you a warning that it is going to do so.

It's only a short hop to forcing all programs for Windows to be only able to be purchased and obtained though the Windows store. And now that Microsoft has the ability to remove any software on your computer whats to stop them from blocking or even removing any software not purchased though the Windows store?

As Tim states, and this is how it works in both politics and business... Sometimes you can't get what you want instantly so you keep at it changing things slowly over time till you get what you want. And it's pretty clear what Microsoft wants it to get a cut of all program sales on the Windows operating system and UWD is one step in that direction.

The possible future: Don't want to use UWD, OK we'll block your program and remove it from everyone's computer who has it. Want to create a new type of hardware? OK you'll have to pay a licensing fee for us to write the code that allows it to work within UWP.

This future sounds a lot like "Windows as a service" which is exactly the terminology Nadal used to tell investors how giving away a free Upgrade to Windows 7 would be monetized.

MCTJim3333d ago

But the whole point is that it does support what you listed, they said all those items that Sweeney listed last time are indeed being supported, it is him that is spreading the FUD when there is no reason to. Right at the conference it was shown and stated exactly what I posted..yet this man moved his goal posts...the point is they delivered on what they said the platform was. Spenser himself said those feature like crossfire support are being added as well as GSync or Freesnyc. The rest that you wrote is conjecture and full of what if's What if's, which spreads FUD, so why not let the platform speak for itself when its released.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

No Jim, the point is it shouldn't have been written in such a way that it even has the ability to limit G sync, Freesync, SLI, Crossfire or any hardware for that matter, or any of the other things it has been show to control.

And what about future tech?

Instead of just creating it, now you have to get Microsoft to Code UWP to allow your new tech to work because things don't work with it natively like they do with win32/64. And they aren't likely to recode their software for free or even quickly.

If Microsoft had written it in a way that was clear that it was open no one would even be talking about this. It was Microsoft who decided how the conversation would go. People aren't spreading FUD they are reacting to the choices Microsoft has made.

They have an open platform in Win32 and Win64. There is no need for UWD, all currently available Windows devices can run Win32 and Win64. The only people who benefit from UWD are Microsoft because it gives them greater control.

MCTJim3333d ago

Again, what you just wrote is conjecture, and it just not telling the whole truth, MS has said its completely open, but here are those who on a consistent basis twist what they said and that is exactly what Tim is doing, he moved the goal posts and is spreading FUD when there is no reason to other than based on what if's.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

I'd like to start by saying it's fact not conjecture that hardware doesn't natively work with UWD they have to alter the code of UWD to allow it work, if it worked natively SLI Freesync etc would work already, but they don't.

If someone is waving a gun in your face are you going to be happy just hearing them say "i'm not going to pull the trigger"? Is it conjecture to try to get them to stop and to move out of the way? No, it's called protecting yourself.

Or is it stupid to put money in the bank in case your car breaks down or your house catches on fire? No it's called looking to the future to prevent problems.

I know the above was metaphore but if you're smart enough to see the meaning you'll get what I am saying.

It's smart to never take people at face value. People will lie to your face to get what they want. It happens to everyone literally daily in business dealings.

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poppinslops3333d ago

Damn, Sweeny's really trying to turn this into a crusade, but he's still just throwing out 'what if' theories, along with the old 'frog in boiling water' metaphor, and his comparison to Facebook is downright insulting... Microsoft don't need to appease advertisers and their shareholders aren't likely to succeed in any attempt to force such an overtly counter-productive policy. I can't imagine they were happy about Win10 being given away for free, yet here we are.

There's a band called 'Killing Joke', who've been writing songs about the 'imminent' apocalypse for the last 35 years... nuclear war, the Mayan calendar, overpopulation - you name it, they've feared it.
When the millennium was approaching they scampered off to Iceland, where they'd built a bunker to wait out the long years of chaos that were supposed to start with Y2K... when that didn't 'work out', they hired Dave Grohl and made a great album (global warming couldn't have come along at a better time).

They're one of my favourite bands, but even I know they're crazy... some people just have a habit of anticipating worst-case scenaros - which can be a useful quality - but they're wrong more often than not.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

The Trojan Horse was also given away for free.

poppinslops3333d ago

By an army that had spent 10 years laying siege to the city of Troy... the Trojan Horse was an act of desperation, but I still find it hard to believe that any legitimate military commander would ever approve of such a strategy.

Microsoft are many things, but they're not desperate... Nintendo would be a better fit for the Trojan metaphor - the New 3DS, Zelda NX and that movie 'The Whiz Kid' all have a whiff of wooden-horse$#!t.

Caedus5113333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

If you want to be a conspiracy theorist about UWP that's fine, no one is forcing you to use it.

And doesn't the PC master race prefer to game on Linux anyway? That was the bread and butter of PC gaming back when I was a PC gamer. Or use the Steam OS. No one is backing you into a corner here.

And same thing goes for Epic. If they don't want their games on UWP then don't release through them. Windows is not the only operating system out there.

One may argue that MS could restrict use of DirectX to only UWP games, and that's their right to do so. I don't complain that I can't get a whopper at McDonalds. So don't bitch if DirectX is exclusive to Windows and UWP if that ever happens.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Caedus that's the point though isn't it?

Microsoft's ability to potentially remove the choice... to force you to use UWP. By having control of the operating system they can make DX or any file UWP only, or stop supporting win32/64.

And to bring up Linux and Steam OS when Microsoft has basically 90+% market share VS Linux is just stupid. You knew flat out when you wrote that moving to Linux isn't just something you can just wake up one day and do.

P.S. I don't take anyone seriously who uses dumb insults like "PC Master Race" that's just childish.

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Well Microsoft metaphorically speaking has been waging financial war on the PC industry for 40 years.

I fail to see how "what time" or "what military commanders would do" has anything to do with the discussion.

Nor does your dislike of Nintendo have anything at all to do with UWP.

poppinslops3333d ago

I love Nintendo... N64 is the best console ever!
Doesn't mean they're not dodgy... just ask Sega.

As to this 'war' Microsoft have been waging - doesn't a war by-definition require at least 2 sides?
I guess there's Linux, but that was never gonna work... and Apple haven't built a real computer in years - nor for that matter, have Microsoft.

You mean Windows, right?
Thing is, nobody HAS to use Windows... just as nobody has to use the UWP.
If Microsoft ever do get desperate enough to do what Sweeny's saying, people will demand an alternative... and it still won't be Linux..

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Yes, the two sides are Microsoft VS consumers and software/hardware developers.

Also you can't demand an alternative because Microsoft has so much control over the industry already.

For example in my business which pays my bills even if I wanted to switch to linux I can't because a lot of the software I use only has Windows versions. And even if there was some impossible shift to linux because of UWP the cost of buying new software across all the businesses in America alone would be in the billions if not trillions and the software industry has been maturing over 40 years it's not like things could even remotely switch to linux in a amount of time that wouldn't grind the entire world to a halt.

Saying no one has to use Windows is like saying no one has to use computers.

poppinslops3333d ago

Yeah, that free OS really put the squeeze on my financials... And aside from Sweeny, I haven't heard any devs (or manufacturers) making any noise about this 'issue'.

Bill Gates is THE philanthropist... you expect me to believe that he was secretly an evil genius, Littlefingering his way to domination?
I guess his retirement means they won... long live the king!

Ashlen3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

Poppinslops All I have to say is that clearly you haven't been reading anything about UWP if you haven't heard anyone else speak out about UWP because there have been many conversations on the issue.

And you must seriously be clueless if you think Microsoft is in anyway philanthropic. I encourage you to take the time to read about any number of lawsuits Microsoft has lost both in the U.S. and Internationally for anti-trust and monopolization as well as many other violations.

Also Windows 10 isn't free, it's free to upgrade if you have already bought Windows 7 and you lose the ability to license Windows 7 again. If you build a new computer you have to buy Windows 10.

Honestly you seem quite uninformed.

I doubt you actually understood what you were replying too. Because I was explaining why people/the greater business world can't switch to Linux. Infact none of your replies are truly related to what i said or showed that you understood what you read.

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rainslacker3333d ago (Edited 3333d ago )

MS doesn't need to appease advertisers, but they've done many things over the past few years which indicate they want to appease advertisers. Kinect and X1 sending back data which they openly admitted AT THE REVEAL of the X1 would be used to target ads....as if that was a good thing. They've openly said that Windows is collecting usage data, and actively collecting data, which their TOS specifically states can be sold to third party entities...well who do you think these third party entities are? Who else would buy this data? Advertisers spend ridiculous amounts of money advertising on platforms which have much smaller user bases than windows, but the ability to target ads to the largest user base in the world? Imagine how much that is actually worth.

Shareholders want MS to make money, and if they were complicit in allowing MS to offer a free OS to the masses. Well, MS had to have a plan of action to monetize the OS, otherwise they wouldn't have done so. Given the evidence, the shareholders don't have to force MS to do anything, because MS is already doing it, and their shareholders are perfectly fine with it.

Realistically, outside of the Windows Store, where can MS make money on Windows? If it's not advertising, it has to be something else, and there is nothing that can guarantee that their other services will make them money without a closed platform, because options exist. This lends credence to Ashlens concerns, because MS could very easily want to take away options from the consumer, by forcing other companies to play ball and give them money, and the only way to do that is to completely close off the windows OS at some point.

I don't take the completely dire stance that Ashlen does, and know that what he stipulates would be a long time coming if it's MS intention, but I could easily see MS eventually getting to that point. I'd rather people be concerned now than bitch about it later, because later, there won't be much that can be done about it.

Ashlen3332d ago (Edited 3332d ago )

All I want to say is thanks for taking the time to actually read what I said. Whether you agree or not i'm just glad someone at least read and understood my point of view.

ScorpiusX3333d ago

This whiney self absorbed tool needs to STFU already , go sell the rest of Epic to Tencent & go away

Ashlen3333d ago

Thanks for adding such an intelligent and well thought out comment. *rolls eyes*

ScorpiusX3333d ago

keep scrolling down then if it wasn't worth your time .

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Nintendo Switch 2 Pro Controller Review

A handful of small redesigns and a pair of back buttons make Nintendo’s Pro Controller for Switch 2 a worthy upgrade.

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Neonridr13h ago

I love this controller. Feels so nice in the hand. Plus the battery lasts for days, it's crazy.

peppeaccardo6h ago

$100 ?????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ???????????????

1nsomniac6h ago

Yea the pricing for Nintendo peripherals is a bigger joke than the game prices. What the hell were they thinking!

Vits6h ago

The thing is, over the past decade, third-party controllers have really stepped up. You can often get better quality, more durability, and stronger performance for half the price of first-party options. Meanwhile, controllers from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft have become increasingly mediocre, expensive, fragile, and not particularly impressive across the board. What makes this especially noticeable with Nintendo is that they’re surprisingly open to third-party hardware. That openness ends up highlighting just how much better the alternatives are.

Vits1h ago

Pretty much most things by half a dozen of chinese manufactures. Like, 8bitdo, Gamesir, Machenike, Gulikit, Flydigi, Manba, EasySMX, etc.

The exception would be really low tier stuff by those companies... those wouldn't be better, they would be about the same quality. But more durable.

Themba763h ago

Best controller I’ve ever used I even like more than my dual sense edge

PRIMORDUS2h ago

I have the original pro controller and TBH, I don't use it as much. I'm mostly using the Switch in handheld mode with the Hori Split Pad Compact Controller. I also never use the back buttons to program anything so I will not be buying this one here, so that will be $85.00 in my pocket 😂

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Techland Wants to Switch to a 3-4 Year Cycle Starting with Dying Light: The Beast

Techland wants to switch to a shorter development cycle of three to four year at the most for its games, starting with Dying Light: The Beast.

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Goodguy011d 13h ago

Very good dev length for a AAA/AA game I'd say. Companies need to set an aim for this range. 1-2 is too little, I believe 3-4 is perfect. Any more is too much. Games don't need to be these gigantic games full of a crazy amount of content. Just make a good game.

Skate-AK17h ago

Lol. Had no idea who that was, but I will admit they do look quite similar.

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Hideo Kojima calls Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 “ideal” for one key reason

Legendary gaming auteur Hideo Kojima heaped praise on Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, calling it “ideal” for one significant reason.

gigoran81d 2h ago

Greatness knows greatness. Simple as that. Expedition 33 is a masterpiece, built with a smaller team and with a smaller budget, blowing ubisoft out of the water. It doesn't matter how many devs you have and how much money you throw at it, great studios like Sandfall Interactive will always overcome you.

mastershredder9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Ideal are you opinions being vacant from any discussion that is not about your own cringy universe Hideo.

The master of Vanity Tech Demos is here to tell us what a good game is. ooooh kay. It's pretty dang obvious without your 2 cents desperately needing relevance. This is just like his GTA grovel a while back. Yuck.

gold_drake8h ago

quite honestly, i havent been able to stop thinking about it ha.

i keep playing it

__y2jb6h ago

He’s massively overrated and writes terrible dialogue.

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