Free demos, movie rentals, and downloadable content are nice to have on a console. But if you're looking to play high-definition video games on the cheap, Xbox 360 Arcade is an excellent option, thanks to its newly reduced price.
I am going to the Arcade model as a second one for watching Netflix upstairs. I can take off my 20gb HD from my 2006 Pro model and move my Live membership back and forth. And if I ever need a har drive I know that there are going to be used 20gb hard drives on craigslist for 10.00.
Well it sounds like your just set then.
never thought of it that way. makes look like an even better deal for 200 i suppose then.
buy a memory card and save your account on it. its easier to move that to another account rather than moving a hdd. the memory cards are cheap too.
Uhm... The Arcade 360 COMES WITH A MEMORY CARD... That has been in there since it upgraded from the old 'core' model about a year ago. Come on dudes, that is common knowledge!
What's the point of a $199 price point and free demos if 1) You have to buy a hard-drive ($100 for a measly 20GB) to play online and save downloaded demos and movies 2) You have to pay $50/yr to play online with your friends The minimum cost of this system in your first year is $199 (Base hardware) + $100 (Hard-drive) + $50 (Online): $349 Add another $50 every year to keep playing online with your friends. After 2 years you've spent $399 After 3 years you've spent $449 After 4 years you've spent $499 After 5 years you've spent $549 If you add the wireless card, you're looking at $649 over 5 years when you can get all that plus a larger hard-drive and the world's top rated Blu-Ray player for $399. Does it make sense to spend $649 when you can get much more for $399?
"1) You have to buy a hard-drive ($100 for a measly 20GB) to play online and save downloaded demos and movies" Wrong. You don't need the HDD to play online. You can do that with the memory card that comes with the Arcade. The demo's not everyone needs them. Movies, same thing. You're talking about a game device first. "2) You have to pay $50/yr to play online with your friends" Yes, thats why XBL is not gimped and PSN is with cross game chats, invites and semi introduced Trophies. "The minimum cost of this system in your first year is $199 (Base hardware) + $100 (Hard-drive) + $50 (Online): $349" No its not. First the HDD isn't needed, just pointed it out. Second, you can choose to go online. The 50 bucks is worth the hassle. I would annoy myself to death with a free gimped PSN. "If you add the wireless card, you're looking at $649 over 5 years when you can get all that plus a larger hard-drive and the world's top rated Blu-Ray player for $399." You don't need the wireless card. With the PS3 you pay for all the shiat you don't need. Thats why the 360 Premium even is 140 bucks cheaper. BTW you have to spend extra $$$$ on the PS3 instantly. The 40GB for sure, you run out of space because of forced game 5GB installations like GTAIV, DMC4, Hot Shot Golf, etc etc. So another 100 bucks to upgrade the HDD to be able to play all your games instead of deleting, install again for 25 minutes etc etc. You're right on one thing though. The BluRayStation 3 is a cheap movieplayer.
you can't play online with your friends. Even if you never download demos or movies and never use Wifi, your minimum cost over 5 years is $199 (Based hardware) + $50x5 (cost of online play) = $449. Some of what you don't get for paying $449 to Microsoft: -80 GB Hard-drive -Wifi (wireless online play) -Continued unlimited online play with your friends after year 5 -Web browsing wirelessly on your TV -World's top rated Blu-Ray player
You are absolutely right man! The $199 model will not allow you to play online with your friends unless you pay $50 every year to Microsoft ON TOP OF what you pay for your internet access to Verizon or Comcast or whatever it is. Unless you buy the hard-drive you cant even download movies and demos! It's crazy that people think this is a good deal. And what's worse is that it has a crummy outdated DVD player. It's a cut-rate gimped console for sure. There's an old saying "penny wise, pound foolish" meaning you try to save a buck but end up spending a hell of a lot more. This console is for people who are too dumb to think beyond this week. You know ... the rent-a-center types.
People forget that this unit is not intended to compete with the PS3. It is to compete with the Wii and from that standpoint this seems like an excellent value. Consider this is a $200 unit and you get HD gaming + superior online play if you wish with an upgrade path (albeit a little expensive) this is an excellent value compared to the Wii. The Elite is what is competing against the PS3 and the pro is somewhere in between. People complain about the online play costing money, but hey you are paying for premium features. If you don't want premium online features in online play, then go buy a PS3.
No it's not. They're asking you to buy inferior, broken, faulty hardware for 200 bucks! Why not buy yourself a Dreamcast and call it a day? The xbox 360 won't be a deal at 100 bucks, let alone 200 or 300 or 400. It is probably the biggest piece of $#*T system ever manufactured. I've seen Nyko LCd screens with more lasting power.
and is a great machine firstly and 360 is rubbish just like vista microsoft garbage
Yeah it seems like a great deal then you add 4 years of Live which you will need, then you realize you can't download squat without a HDD, The you really are in the crapper with an over priced nickel-and-dime-me-to-death RROD toaster. And yes, juuken is smoking hot.
First of all, 200 USD bucks may seem CHEAP at first but let's see... + 4 Years of LIVE (typical lifespan of a casual console*) = 200USD, so how much does it cost now? + Now what did you get with 400 USD? A toaster and a mircowave oven and a lawnmower and a door-stopper and a disc-scratcher WITHOUT ANY CAPABILITY TO DOWNLOAD SQUAT... + 200+200 = 400...that sounds like the NEW 80-GBs SKU PS3 price tag...with free PSN/HOME, quieter, more reliable gaming console + BR player...grrr say what? *RROD not taking into account, LOL
They never get this right. They can neither add nor subtract. Jethro Bobine looks like an MIT grad compared to these bots.
yo u stupid man the 360 is a very good deal for 200 bucks play all the games and upgrade if u wantsome people dont want to play online or pay for a hi def dvd player that they dont want so stoppin talkin sh*t cuz u r blinded by sonys lies dont try to get other people to follow in your steps see i can say this cuz i own both but i bought the ps3 on my own terms not because some fanboy was talkin crap about the 360 the good thing about the xbox lineup is choice u can get an arcade system like i did and upgrade if u want also u can play online for free with a silver account on xbox live but if u want to download demos and movies u need a hdd and a gold account but u sony fanboys think u cant
Lol, look at the butt hurt droids.
take a look at this picture Zerodin very closely. This was taken on a Sunday afternoon at a walmart at amherst, which is a suburban region of Buffalo. whose butt hurt now? i would not pay for this P.O.S. even if its for $200 lololololololol I rather pay my $500 just so i can have Quality in my living room instead of a P.O.S. system that sounds like a Jet Engine and Burns houses down.
ah.. you did pay for a P.O.S it called the PS3.
You mean the console with free online, built in wifi, built in Blutooth, built in HDD - expandable at my choice of drives - non proprietary headset, non proprietary play and charge cable, and the ONLY next gen removable storage medium? Altogether less than my 360 when I add 4 years of live you little idiot. I love xbox bags of crap like you that failed math class. You are the type of imbeciles that wind up working some dead end low rent job until you are 70 and then fall and break your neck on the steps of your single wide. Thick heads like you that can't do simple addition and see that with all the items required for a normal gaming experience the 360 easily costs more than the PS3. No, brain dead hicks like yourself certainly can't think long term investment strategies when they can't calculate the cost of a gaming console over a 4 year period. Enjoy your crappy, disappointing and hopefully brief life. From past posts of mine, some references for village idiots such as yourself: HDD PS3 - Industry Standard SATA 360 - Proprietary Charging Kit PS3 - Industry Standard USB cable 360 - Proprietary Wireless Headset PS3 - Industry Standard Bluetooth 360 - Proprietary Wireless Keyboard for gaming PS3 - Industry Standard Bluetooth 360 - None (not supported) Wireless Mouse for gaming PS3 - Industry Standard Bluetooth 360 - None (not supported) Next Gen Removable Media Player PS3 - Industry Standard Blu-ray 360 - None (Still accepts HD DVD Betamax equivalent) Wifi adapter PS3 - Built in 360 - Proprietary External Storage for saving network downloads PS3 - Industry Standard (I use a WD Passport) 360 - Can't save network downloads to external drive Memory Cards PS3 - Not necessary but transferring game saves and HDD items can be done via Industry Standard HDD or jump drive 360 - Proprietary Memory card Device to copy files to HDD PS3 - stream via free Tversity, copy directly using Industry Standard external HDD, jump drive, or disk media 360 - function not available (ripping music excepted) It is just another manner in which MS forces hidden costs on gamers to which dullard bots are oblivious. It also shows the 360 wasn't a very industry friendly nor well though out console. On the other hand the PS3 costs are up front and it was designed with longevity and integration in mind. It easily trumps the 360 as the living room media hub. We know what we are paying for up front and acknowledge it. Whereas idiots like you are either oblivious to the additional costs to make the 360 a full experience of else they are aware of it and just living in denial. Your post alone shows what an imbecile you are and verifies your stupidity is without bounds. Allow me to quote myself since you are obviously worth little more than that: "Another drone living in denial, shelling out his 50 bucks a year and sticking his head in the sand. It is a common sense deduction but when your head is down and buried all we see is your exposed ass...which is what you have been showing. What is puzzling is how eternally ignorant xbots are composed of all the school dunces that flunked math. Someone should conduct a study on that fact... I bought my launch 360 for $399. Then I allowed for at least 4 years of Live since MS drops their consoles AND customers at that point so now I am up to $599. Then I added a next gen movie player...that lost the war because MS was stupid. That brought me up to $778. Then I decided I wanted the play and charge kit. That was another $19. That took me to $797. With taxes I was over $800. Do I need to keep going and talk about how I was forced to buy the proprietary charge kit from MS instead of an industry standard USB cable I had laying around at the house? Do I need to talk about how there was only one wireless headset available (two if you count colors and a HALO logo - whoopty do) and it was proprietary instead of an industry standard? Do I need to talk about how I had to pay a fortune for a BS 120GB HDD instead of an industry standard that was half the price for twice the storage? Do I need to talk about how I had to spend money on a WiFi attachment instead of having one built in? Do I need to talk about how Microsoft's utterly stupid DRM policy ripped me off for items I had purchased for a year and a half? When the DRM fix was finally available I still have roughly $80 worth of items that are still not available. Of the ones I do have 3 of the most prominent are for games no one plays any longer. That makes the value of those items forfeited by me en toto. And I won't mention that out of 3 months lost of Live time as I awaited the return of consoles, MS only reimbursed me for 1. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it. Another $100 pissed away. While I am talking standards, do I need to mention the lack of an HDMI on my launch 360? I guess the fact 3 of them died until I got a 4th model is some sort of HDMI blessing in disguise. That is, after all, the sort of idiot logic you espouse. You really need to keep your trap shut before you make a bigger ass of yourself. Imbeciles like you that think trigonometry is a painful knee condition should avoid any console debates relating to the expense of a full gaming experience.
$200!!! i dont know if the Wii will survive. at least xbox is a next gen console. unlike the Wii witch is just a PS2 with a motion controller.
...the Wii is just a GAMECUBE with motion controller. ;)
well at 199 you can have a console that plays great online and has mostly better multiplat versions of games if not then equal to the ones for the ps3 and for 200 cheaper plus it has exclusives as well and the new dash etc... for 199 its a better deal then the ps3 but now the elite is another story. smae price minus wifi and blueray so the elite sucks when compared to the ps3, but like i said for 199 you can have a system that up till this day still has the better library and all multiplat games either are better or exactly the same. as a gaming machine for 199 its a steal.
That's awesome value! Wouldn't it be great if that was the pro version though? Anyway, I think the casual market will make some major purchases of the 360 arcade at these prices...
hang on, ive been told that you can't play 360 games with an arcade console? is that true?
Yes, obviously that's true. The console cannot play 360 games. Its just a huge 200 dollar paperweight. /Sarcasm
Funny stuff. Bubble
Which can run you $100~180, depending on the size. Better to just get the Pro system and not worry about that issue.
DJ Stop the spam. Specific those 'certain' games. You keep saying that to try to make it look bad. The only game at this point in time getting hurt just a bit is Burnout Paradise, which has not all the online parts included without a HDD on the 360. So if that isn't even your game and you won't play it, no hurting at all. And even if you are going to buy Burnout Paradise, no major problem if you ask me. You won't miss what you don't have. YOU DJ FAIL ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE. AS ALWAYS.
I always thought Gamepro was anti-xbox 360... But I guess the price has changed their minds some!
its hard to deny that it is quite a deal. Especially since the Arcade is an improvement over the Core. The controller is now wireless and it comes with a memory card. But if this doesn't boost sales significantly then the 360 is officially dead in the water.
At least casuals who will be likely to buy this will have a chance to be introduced to hardcore games. A few will bump up and that's good for the industry imo. More harcore fans equals better games in the future. Nintendo can keep their shovelware and a Mario and Zelda game every 28 months.
Only asking Jackass, don't need to be a bit(h about it! Pri(k
1.) Learn how to "reply". He answered your post, so this belongs under his response. 2.) Might want to crawl out from under your rock, every couple of years...maybe even use Google, while you're out and about. Doing a little basic reading/research on your own, can prevent you from looking like an ass. The 360's been around for nearly 3 yrs ; there's really NO EXCUSE for ANY gamer to not know the answer to your question. Hell...any jackass off the street could have known that. Did you really think the Arcade was only for DVDs and XBLA titles? :o
"there's really NO EXCUSE for ANY gamer to not know the answer to your question." I'm pretty sure you didn't look into his question very well. He was referring to the fact that Arcade 360s don't play certain 360 titles since it lacks a hard drive. Microsoft and Sony have undergone so many SKU changes that it can get a bit tricky understanding the differences between them.
What 360 games can't you play on an Arcade?
DJ the hardcore ps3 fanboy answering questions about xbox360. Hmmm sorry haven't been reading your post of the late but till long time you've been battling TheMart on N4G. Only one or 2 games might not work on arcade if you want to play online. Simple. ALl games are playable on arcade in offline mode. Yes i believe even oblivion. That's the technology of next gen not relying on any hyped up storage medium to play same or lesser quality games.
u can paly every single 360 game that comes out for it on the arcade model u know how i know cuz i have one and i have a hdd but u dont have to download n e thing part of the games to it cuz microsoft wanted that the developers to design the game without a hdd in mind so dont fall for these lies that sony fanboys are telling u guys oh bye the way i have a ps3 also so im not some stupid a** fanboy but i do prefer the 360 over it
All games can play on the Core/Arcade model. It comes down to "saves" you can only hold so many saves on a memory card before you would have to delete some saves or choose not to save. Again, ALL GAMES PLAY. If the game needs more DLC to be useful and the card is full..well, you know what to do. I think heard that the Arcade/Core model will not PLAY CERTAIN ORIGINAL XBOX GAMES. You need the hard drive to play those for the emulation software.
is for people that just want to play games CASUAL and or people that have xbox360 break on them so they keep the HDD and put it in their new 360 core...like what i did the core that i have is blows cool air and is lessy noisey than my dead launch xbox360...i relized that you cant jump or move your xbox360 when in playing dahh...but since its lighter than my ps3 its easier to by accedently move it a bit when you have friends over still think my metalgear ps3 is more reliable though even though the air blows really hot
is free i still would not get one.pure garbage
i understand when people ask questions about games / systems, but hell, your comment was just mindblowing. lol i mean, you had to know it was coming, there are some nice, helpful people here on N4G, but there are also some smart asses. and while you got the response you deserved, you're follow up comment wasn't necessary. welcome to N4G pal, get used to it.
At this point it's dumb to get an Xbox. Look at the games and tech Sony has coming why would you bother. I still might get a Pro if it doesn't over heat to play some exclusives but other than that it's all PS3 over here for me.
heheh its bollox ill give ye that! was a simple question i didnt know, i raise my hand if im ignorant in not knowing, but being a twat about it doesnt help, does it? ach it doesnt matter, i got my answer, however it was said, cheers i guess.... still though doesnt stop him from being a pri(k
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