Is Doom 4’s Hate Justified?

Over the weekend gamers and fans alike have expressed their rage over Doom 4’s open BETA. most of the complaints seem to stem from it being too similar to COD or Halo, but is this true? Is this hate justified?

[PixelGateUk]

'if you're going to go all classic'

Yeah exactly, they went all classic then bogged it down with modern FPS guff like loadouts, perks, climbing.

If you think this is 'fast' then i would very much like to invite you to a game of Quake Arena, Quake Live, UT2004, Tribes etc etc

If this feels like a classic FPS to you then that's fine, but i have to question what your idea of classic is.

[RashBandicoot]

I did play those games and this Doom to a certain extent gave me that vibe. I mentioned the load out thing is probably the main reason it feels out of place. I think they can fix that with a simple classic mode where weapons are on the map.

Overall though I feel the hate is too much.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Gamers (especially older pc players) hate on the game because it is not an old school arena shooter. Bethesda kept marketing the game as being a classic fps when it simply isn't. Also all the complaints about weapon balance,loadouts, the demon being OP and lack of weapons on map from the alpha were not addressed for the beta (demo).

[OhMyGandhi]

There is absolutely nothing "classic" about this game. It shares the same name as a franchise that was pivotal to my childhood, and it honestly has no idea what it wants to be.

It's not fast. There are loadouts. Even the level design is uninspired, and not engineered with enough thought about potential PvP chokepoints, and "hot zones".

A "classic" shooter means that the every player starts with the bare essentials, and the whole point of each map is to get to the best weapons as quickly, and as efficiently as possible. You maintain the control, and with this ebb and flow, you control the dynamics of the match.

Shooters of this caliber are relentless, nearly twitch based. DOOM was not an insanely fast game, like Unreal Tournament, or Quake.
But what these developers don't understand is that DOOM is NOT Halo.

Hell, even the generic box art is indicative of some sad Halo wannabe.

I want strafe jumps, and bunnyhops. I want skill-based movement, weapons that pack a punch, and make sense. Why is it that an RPG takes two direct hits to kill someone, yet a shotgun takes someone down mid-distance in one shot?

Sure. All of these can potentially be fixed. But my issue is that the developer doesn't WANT them to be fixed.

They seemingly confused "classic" with "simple". They saw something like the recent released Star Wars: Battlefront, and want a game that is similarly accessible.

It's in this new design philosophy that I fear DOOM is not aiming for my generation of games, but rather something completely different from the core franchise.

I don't mind change. But don't change the core "formula" of a franchise, just because you are too scared to create a new IP. I despise this recurring trend.

[hiredhelp]

Just for refrence guys This is Doom 3 multiplayer, https://m.youtube.com/watch...
You notice the visuals much more realistic gameplay with guns more standard frames seems faster.
The Doom MP we have played going by the guns and visuals and frames is simply QUAKE ARENA now tbh I much rather they called it quake cos I loved quake.
I hope is there is SP to this Doom its not in a quake style but much rather Doom style, We have to see.
Im old school soo im buying it.

[3-4-5]

* Maybe they should have made it more like Unreal Tournament.

There is still a market for that exact specific type of FPS game....developers just stopped making them.

[DEAD-DEVIL-DISCO]

My second onine game ever played was quake...__on the sega dreamcast. Even bought the mouse and keyboard for my sega because.._.. This game brings it back to me. I guess the youngins will complain. But i wont because this game is for me. :) good times!!!!!!

[TheJacksonRGN]

This beta felt slower than what the trailers suggested.

[Muzikguy]

The hate is most certainly justified IMO. I agree Pixel. I think if they would've went all classic without all that newfangled "junk" the game would be much better. To me it was mediocre, maybe even less than mediocre. There's no way I'd pay for a season pass to get 3 expansions of this, what I feel, is an average game at best

@dead
I loved games like UT and soldier of fortune (they got me started in FPS). Doom didn't fill those voids. Cool that it did for you. I gave it a shot at least

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Everything you just said, plus the shotgun being more powerful than the rocket launcher.

[r3f1cul]

game just has no identity IMO ... it cant make up its mind whether it want to be old school or new so it just throws in certain parts of both hoping for the best but in many areas getting the worst honestly :/ dunno heres to hoping the campaign is in better shape because thats the meat and potatoes to me in a doom game

[RashBandicoot]

It does feel too simple which ironically makes me enjoy the game more in today's FPS world lol

[WellyUK]

It's a decent game though which is why I don't understand the hate. Yes it's not as fast as the classic arena shooters, yes it shouldn't have the loadouts and OP demon. But it's a solid shooter and is enjoyable and can only be improved by balancing and classic modes.

The game needs more though it just doesn't quite feel as brutal as it should, the announcer needs changing and the sound effects need ramping up.

[The7Reaper]

Played like over 30 matches and I'm personally not a fan of it hope campaign is better than multiplayer

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Not a fan either. Played one match and I'm done. I guess these generic closed quarter FPS don't do it for me anymore. Meanwhile, I'm really excited for Overwatch and Titanfall 2. I also loved the first Titanfall

[FITgamer]

It took you 30 matches to realize that? You sure weren't enjoying it?

[The7Reaper]

Had to test as many weapons and stuff as I could

[UnHoly_One]

I hated before the first match was over.

Loadouts alone ruin the game. Even if they fixed everything else it will be garbage until Loadouts are gone.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Uhhhhh... I've heard nothing but good about this.. confused I am

[OhMyGandhi]

http://store.steampowered.c...

...Not from PC gamers.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Wowser!

[WellyUK]

to be honest PC gamers have an issue of hating everything that's not CS. Most new games gets smashed by early reviews on steam as well.

[Lionalliance]

I played it....was it really Doom? it didn't feel like it, it feels more like Halo than anything else.

[sullynathan]

Yes, the game is shit and just more of Bethesda ruining old franchises more. Stop trying to be overtly defensive. This game isn't "oldschool".

The initial hype came from the E3 demo shown and everyone was blown away by scripted bloody takedowns and forgot that this is supposed to be DOOM.

Now that people have played D44M they see that the game is not what they thought.

[tanukisuit]

I think it was fine... In my opinion, I just didn't care for the loadouts and XP gaining stuff - I just want to be able to pick up [random] weapons as I go.

The climbing thing is just nitpicking (again IMO).

[sadsatan]

did not enjoy my time with the beta

[PlayTheGameBro]

I'm enjoying the beta although I'm an old school & new school gamer. I don't understand these overly entitled old school gamers sometimes. I'm pretty sure most of them have beefy PC's to run those games like Quake, and the OG Dooms. Just don't buy the game if you don't like the new additions. We could do without the weapon loadouts though, but hey, I'm just a gamer with an opinion.

[Trekster_Gamer]

No hate from me, pre ordered and ready to rock day one!

[Omnisonne]

I think (hope) the single player will be a blast though, the game feels good control wise. Multiplayer was alright, but not too great.. not entirely sure what feels off to me but something does.

Perhaps some weapon balancing, implement different modes like a "no loadout" mode as mentioned above, and it might turn out better

[VTKC]

You cant win with the internet, if they stuck to the exact old original play style that is Doom from the 90s, people would complain how its still the same shit with only modern day visuals. They change it up a little to meet old skool and modern gamers halfway and people complain about that too. Saying stupid shit like its like COD or Halo. Didnt the original Wolfenstein and Doom start this whole point the gun run around shoot enemies game style off in the first place? So how can Doom be like COD or Halo? The guy in the video was being overly polite about the stupid comparison with Doom being like COD and Halo. I think the fanboys from both camps are rustled at the fact an old franchise has come back from the dead to have a go on the spotlight. Whether it will be successful or not is another matter. But the whole idea of Doom known for its violent bloody visuals making a return in modern day graphics look so impressive since gore is still an attention grabbing concept even after all these years. How gory is COD with the zombies? Does it top Doom? Is there gore in Halo?

[opinionated]

It kinda is. It's a beta of course, it's the exact reason for a beta. Of the probably hours of waiting for a game I have gotten into one game. There is no tutorial, there is no sprint on l3, you have to randomly press buttons and learn on your own. That would fine if it didn't take 30 min to find a game. And the music while waiting is awful, industrial emo garbage. This is by no means reflectent of the final product. This is a beta test, as a final product it's unacceptable. I can't play long enough to learn the game. I want the single player doom to be great honestly.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

You had that bad of an experience with matchmaking? That was the one thing that worked surprisingly well every time I played. It was usually quick.

[opinionated]

Yeah it's terrible. I'm guessing it's my location because my internet isn't that bad.

[molex86]

This does feel somewhat oldschool, but as others have stated, the loadouts and such just bog it down and steer the game away fro its root and oldschool feel. And the rockets are pitifully weak. I direct hit a player 3 times and he survived and killed me with what seemed to be 1 double barrel shot. It's also just a terrible shame that it won't be moddable. I was a huge fan of fortress games, namely q3f, and ctf games were always fun. Would the included level editor even be able to create something like 2fort. I still have every intention of buying this game and I can only hope that the single player campaign will deliver somehow.

[Bobafret]

Has it been confirmed to have coop for the campaign?

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I've played it more and more and I'm in two minds about it now, occasionally matches are close but usually 5-1 or 7-1 in point difference. Obviously some elements are unbalanced, the shotgun doing obscene damage at some kind of mythical 'mid range' that a select few players know about being one of the most offensive.

It seems interior to Halo Combat Evolved, to me Halo had tight paced fluid levels, hard hitting weapons and legendary choke points. Doom 3 and Quake 4 multiplayer were also far better balanced after extensive play.

[jonivtec]

Nope...but it should have be different....in multiplayer at least

[jonivtec]

its a mix of new and old shooter.....special at first but can be intertaining....personnaly i would have build things differently but its becoming hard these days with internet to please everybody....i will buy it for single player and will see for multiplayer.Doom was and still is a single player game..Multi is a bonus so people should calm down and play it for what it is supposed to be.

[joab777]

They should absolutely include a classic mode. If just one mode for those who really want it, and for everyone else that may be accustomed to more modern ammenities, they can play the other modes.

[Rhezin]

Seeing the comments of people who've played…wow..extremely disappointed.

[Lennoxb63]

I had no problem with it. Played all the old Dooms and Quakes and I thought it was quite fun. A little bit of weapon balance tweaks and they're good to go.

[IaMs12]

Is it the original Doom? No, its not, but its also not 1992 anymore either. Its also a reboot. I don't think the hate is justified, and its definitely better than i would expect! Especially how games are going nowadays its not as bad, at least its a nice step in the right direction! Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but i think im going to enjoy the campaign along with snapmap.

OH also look at DooM 3, that was completely different than the series! but as that was released and looked back in it was well received so give this game a chance.

[TejasTV]

I understand some of the complaints about this game but the hate for it is a little weird. Read this if you haven't played and want a seeth free opinion. I haven't kept up with advertising so I didn't realize it was advertised as an old school arena shooter, but that seems to be just me. I had fun with the beta, its not anything amazing but was fun and I had my fill of "shit that was cool" moments. I agree about rockets, they are pretty useless. The shotgun argument is dumb imo. People were able to counter my shotty just fine and I never felt cheated by the shotgun. I loved the extra mobility in this game and if more people thought to use the options given to them they wouldn't cry about the shotgun. I could live without load outs but I also don't think it kills the game either and its nice to not be forced to use a weapon I don't like. I like the xp and hack modules and I loved making my doom guy look stupid funny. The demon being OP...... are you serious, first of all that's the point and second of all if two or three guys went at him it was no problem. I think lots of people rage quit this game before actually giving it a chance. The graphics were good imo and people who say it looks last gen should really pull the stick out they ass. C'mon don't be like that. I think the audio is pretty bad though. Kills don't have enough weight to them like the did in Doom 1 and 2. I need more crunchies like in Epic shooters. Overall I'd give it a 7 out of 10 and say that haters gonna hate. Sorry they didn't rerelease the original Doom you old farts and stop trying to make this quake, it isn't and doom never was. I played the original doom multiplayer and it was a 7 out of 10 just like this is. I bet there will eventually be game modes to please all but for right now I can't wait for the single player.

[Picnic]

I hope the animations are better in the single player. It appears to me so far that the only really good looking version will be on PC. I think Alien Colonial Marines got pulled apart for less. It's still a good old shootout though. But if you want to get truly medieval, you need Quake 3, not this goth's bedroom pantomime. Single player matters more to Doom.

[higgins78]

This looks Doom in name alone. A sorry state of affairs for a once proud IP. Still, I'm sure those adolescent PS4/XB1 owning chavs will lap it up - you know who you are...

[ajax17]

I didn't think it was fun at all

[masterbates]

Thanks bethesda thats an hour of my life I wont get back! Pre order cancelled

[Artemidorus]

First Duke Nukem now Doom.

It's just an excuse to use the name if this were made in another name everyone here would be calling it average.

[BlackDoomAx]

When is hate for a video game justified? You don't like it? Just don't buy and play it, just move on and go on COD. I really enjoyed the beta till now. It's fun. The map are well designed. The weapons are all different but nice. The taunts are funny. It's quite fast paced, i didn't find anything like that on any fsp multiplayer on ps4 till now. There will be a map editor, for the MP AND the co-op modes. Haters gonna hate, that's it. And players like me gonna play ;)

[FyBy]

Multiplayer beta of doom raised only small wave of nostalgia...because of music in menu :-).

Anyway, too my surprise, I enjoyed Warpath multiplayer mode over past weekend. Its not bad. If single will be good enough and more interesting multiplayer modes will be present, I will eventually buy Doom.