"Sony is leading from the front and, unless challenged swiftly, it'll be game over for Xbox One."
Are you implying that Sony isn't already the winner of this gen
People crowned Microsoft the victors of last gen early as well, and look at how that turned out for them. Despite the gigantic early lead and disastrous launch of their main rival, they ended up in last place thanks to their complacency.
Slow and steady PS3 wins the race,eh? This PS4.K BS from whoever NEEDS TO STOP!
Yeah except Sony isn't being as complacent as they were. I just hope they don't putt all their resources on VR only
Yeah, well they were doing that before the PS3 released, and then after that only because Xbox winning NPD. It ignored the bigger picture, whereas the bigger picture this time is that Sony has a rather sizable lead with no signs of slowing down, and all things point to this being a shorter generation. MS would have to pull off a miracle to really get "the crown" from Sony at this point, and time is quickly running out. MS would basically have to quadruple their sales, with PS sales staying where they're at, to even get even with PS4 in the next 2-1/2 years. Consider how many consoles quadruple is for MS, then see why Sony already has the crown. A PS4.5 or X1 isn't going to change that, it's just going to be a new generation, and obfuscate everything to the point where these types of discussions are even more pointless than they are now.
/smh http://www.gamespot.com/art... The next Xbox wont be about media and it wont come with Kinect. Get your popcorn ready.
Microsoft launched a year early and technically came in last sales-wise though. We're looking at a scenario where they launched with a week's difference and The disparity is larger now than Xbox 360 versus PS3 when PS3 first launched. I don't think much can change the current generation landscape.
It's highly likely the PS4 will finish the generation with more units sold. There are a few as-yet unknown factors that will either allow the Xbox One to narrow the gap or cause the gap to widen. But being realistic it's not likely it will ever catch up.
Lol, people are expecting the xbox to miraculously do what its never done before.....outsell a playstation. Last gen should of shown people the difference between global brands vs global followings. Not even a head start, repeat purchases plus being cheaper pricepoint for the whole gen could thwart sonys machine. The only people who claimed the xbox was king was those who championed npd whilst ignoring the rest of the world like those smaller markets didn't matter.....
It is pretty close. The PS4 only has a 20 million lead over the XB1 ... To put that into perspective, the 360 had a 5 million lead over the PS3 and the PS3 ended up drawing with the 360. Who knows what's going to happen in the near future. MS just released the highly successful QB and all Sony have is RAC, Uncharted 4, Alienation, Shadow of the Beast and No Man's Sky in answer. It's squeaky bum time for a lot of us PS fans. Fingers crossed things go well and Sony hold onto their slim lead.
Those 5 games are a great answer to Quantum Break. Not that it matters since there's so much more coming later in the year as well. There's no way the X1 will make up a 20 million lead. It's only going to get worse for them with PSVR. I can't even see MS selling 40 million X1s tbh
My God, how obvious do you have to make it?
well then... Carry on...
Here's pretty obvious. Assuming Sony's PS4 sales stay consistent going forward, MS would have to sell 4X the number of consoles they currently are(assuming MS is at 20 million and PS4 at 40m) in the next 2-1/2 years(current generations time frame) to even become even. Given that right now Gears and Forza are their only heavy hitters going forward, and maybe Crackdown if it actually ends up being good, I can't really see MS quadrupling their numbers like that...particularly since Halo and Forza really failed to do that for them already. A gears game this holiday will give them a nice boost, but not 4X the number of consoles, and even that boost will be short lived.
I got what you're saying. It's all good. Definitely sweating time for Sony and PS fans :) @rain I'm still thinking X1 may not even reach 40 million units. Many of its heavy hitters have already been released and it's "only" at 20 million. Those that want one most likely have it. Not many "heavy hitters" have hit the PS4 yet. This year they themselves may skyrocket in sales. Especially if VR takes off
@Muzik I think they'll break 40 million unless they jump on a new generation quicker...either through a mid-gen upgrade(if we count that as the same gen) or through a new X2. While they have pretty much put all their major contenders out(GeOW incoming at least), they are likely to have another Halo and a couple Forza's, which do give them some boost in sales. I can't see this gen ending before the 5 year mark, and if MS is already at 20 million, according to one report, then it's reasonable to assume they can get to 40. I guess it depends on when we stop counting though. Seems like last gen, we all stopped counting soon after the new consoles released...or for some the last report since before their release. If Sony maintains momentum, I can actually see them trying to keep this gen going longer. Publishers aren't likely to abandon a significant user base just for a new generation, which would give Sony some breathing room to maintain support for a year or so after a potential X2 release, which would mean that most X2 games would just be cross gen ports and a couple significant 1st party titles, but Sony would get extra time to make stronger hardware cheaper, and have a better line up while maximizing profits from this gen.
True Sony has nothing left but all their big hitters while MS still have more Halo and Froza that will completely destroy the PS4. Sony is DOOM, DOOM I say.
@rain I can see that scenario play out exactly as you're saying. I'm sure Sony has thought about that themselves. Hopefully they continue to focus on the present and not put too much thought into that next gen scenario yet. I feel like a mid-gen release would make that scenario not play out that way. Or, they could use the money made off the mid release to help fund better hardware for the PS5. I still think it's a bad business move though because then the door is open for mid-releases every generation moving forward
That's such a crazy title. Whether people care about winners or not, it's pretty obvious
@ Crimzon Are you implying there's a chance that Microsoft can somehow overtake Sony this gen despite XO continually losing to PS4 in global weekly sales? Also 8 million wasn't that gigantic a lead, and PS3's launch was actually more successful than 360's. For reference Xbox 360 sold 1.50 million in 2005. http://web.archive.org/web/... http://www.microsoft.com/ms... and PlayStation 3 sold 1.84 million in 2006. http://www.foxnews.com/stor... PS3 sold more at its launch than 360 did at its launch despite being more expensive (during a recession no less), initially releasing in fewer territories, and releasing alongside the massive sensation of the Wii. Not to mention PS3 didn't suffer major hardware failures like the 360 did at its launch and beyond.
Idk I'm pretty sure a ton of gamers will upgrade if the benefits are great. The only way this can work is if they price it at 400$. The price tag seems to be the sweet spot this time around. If they decide to go above 400$ I doubt many will jump over.
It's not just the price of the PS4K, but also the fact that the vanilla PS4 will drop in price significanlty. Say it drops to about $299, then sales of the vanilla PS4 would skyrocket. Sony could even bundle it with the PSVR for say $599.99, or even $649.99 and it would still be really competitive against Occulus rift and HTC Vive.
The weird thing is that here in the UK at least, the prices of the PS4 & XB1 have nosedived while prices of the PS3/360 have remained the same for years now. The sales during the holiday season last year had both the PS4 & XB1 selling for roughly £230 at retail, while the PS3 & 360 still had pricetags of £200, which is barely lower than their successors. I'm just wondering if/when Sony & Microsoft are going to lower the price of last gen consoles.
@crimzon I'm seeing that same thing happen as well. I'm in the US. It seems they're making games, consoles, and accessories start to hold their value longer. Not sure who "they" consists of, but it's definitely happening. Same with used games
PS4 has hit $299 a few times with promotions, and those months typically saw a nice boost in sales. I'm not sure we'll see a PSVR console bundle until next year at the earliest though. Even then, it's probably not going to be significantly cheaper.
Does anyone else find it odd that everyone BUT Sony are confirming this?
Will find out if it's been true or not at E3. Only a couple of months to go.
It's kind of like how every outlet were confirming the Nintendo NX controller and it turned out fake.
Has anyone even asked Sony? Usually they would give a "We don't respond to rumors" comment if they were asked...yet don't recall ever reading that anywhere. Are media sites afraid that asking will end the rumors, thus stop all these nice hits they're getting by perpetuating the rumor?
One rumor gets spread around and reported from a variety of sites and it can seem to lend credibility to the rumor, but in many cases it's just one false rumor being repeated by many different people.
It's so crazy they haven't said ANYTHING. It makes me think it's real, and I'd rather it not be. Sony has to know about all these rumors, so to me they're being quiet for a reason. What could that reason be? Yes, it's all rumor and everyone wants to know! Interesting spot to be in when the media and the customers are doing all the work lol
Yeah, I agree.
The media obsession for this 4k and 4.5 stuff is sickening
Its actually hilarious in the article: "The other consideration for Sony is 4K, the ultra-high-resolution standard that is currently dominating video entertainment content" So, how come there are next to no blu-rays shipping at 4K? How come there are no gaming consoles that support 4K? How come most Blu-ray players are not 4K? How come there is very little as far as cable is concerned at 4K? For it to dominate it first to have a presence. 4K has yet to really penetrate the market fully. And likely won't for a few more years. People are buying 4K TVs but most of them are just being dumb consumers. Buying a 4K TV adds next to nothing unless the content played on the TV is 4K. It is media and marketing hype.
I agree. It's nowhere close to dominating yet. I have a pretty powerful PC and I still don't game at 4k. (My monitor is 2560x1440) It takes a huge amount of hardware performance to run the newest graphically advanced games at playable framerates. IF there is anything to this PS4K rumor it would almost certainly be referring to video output capabilities for 4k bluray, rather than running modern AAA games in 4k.
It sure is. @Neo No kidding. It's so annoying when the media or the companies involved tell us what's happening even though it isn't. They try to dictate the market by spreading lies. I'm in no hurry to see 4K get widely adopted. Cable/satellite/NFL/MLB are expensive enough as it is
Imo if the top selling console brings out a more powerful version in the same generation, it's a slap in the face to loyal fans. Upgradeable units ala n64 are fine, but a whole new unit is bad.
To me it's more akin to the New 3DS. It's unnecessary(well...it should have been that from the start but that's different), and hardly supported with content. I can't see a mid-gen upgrade for a full console having it any better, particularly since 4K TV's are far from commonplace. Granted, a home console implementation would have to be thought out better than the N3DS was to prevent fracturing the user base, and insuring that both systems get support.
and who have the PS4 will be losers,they will screw us when they release PS4.5 and make the newer games only playable on it.
Sony has already won with or without the 4K.. Everyone doesnt have a 4K TV yet so this might be similar to how the the 3DS & "new"3DS models are.. Slight advancements & higher res but completely optional with the games.. I doubt they'll make PS4K exclusive games because it will piss off early adopters.. Maybe the games will be scaleable if you have the new model.. Improved PSVR experiences too
I could see a hardware upscaler being used for all games, akin to many 4K Blu-Ray players. that would render most of these rumors moot, as it would really only benefit those with 4K TV's, and the render quality is still going to be the same. A GPU capable of native 4K rendering just seems a bit out of reach for the console market right now, and it's hard to imagine that Sony wants to delve into the expensive R&D process of making it a thing, when they make more money off the legacy hardware getting cheaper, thus eventually more profit from that hardware, and software sales. I just can't see this 4K thing being so popular with the mainstream that it would even be worth the trouble for them to do so, and it's obviously going to be divisive for their user base and fans...so again, makes it hard to fathom that they'd take that risk...particularly since PSVR is likely to be a bigger focus for the foreseeable future. At no point has anyone been able to explain why Sony would want to disrupt the cash cow they have going on with the PS4, and the amazing sales that it already has. Anything they do with a PS4K is likely to shake that ongoing success for no purpose other than to satiate some people who complain too much about resolution.
yeah, i get you.. Im just saying IF it happens.. I dont see why they would either.. Theyre better off waiting until the next cycle to put out any new hardware.. Im not buying PSVR plus a new PS4 model.. Thats just too much when we're damn near mid cycle right now..
It's hard to make judgement as no one really knows what it is, if it's a better version of the console than that basically takes away one of buying a consoles strong points and you'd be better off buying a PC next gen, if it has a specific usage like 4K streaming than fine. I own 3 Sony devices but I'm definitely not a fanboy, I have so far this gen been pretty disappointed with their handling of a lot of things and miss their approach last gen, innovation, fostering creative ideas and looking after their customer base. I think this could potentially be the straw fo me depending on what they actually do with it.
Kind of Presumptuous & way to confident
How will it crown it the winner as if true it will most likely split the ps fanbase as how many would buy one if its only for 4k movies and not games, its like sites are making claims based on a rumour
It would certainly obfuscate how to determine who's winning in the sales discussion threads.
I'm sorry I just joined to comment on this. The media it seems want to move to a new mid generation and I can't help but feel it is from the competitions failure of popularity. There is a 20m console gap as we speak and I'm hoping that doesn't make Sony arrogant again. I was around with ps3 launch and paid Sonys stupid price in australia for a 60gb console. This 4.5 console is a big mistake mark my words. But I feel there's a agenda being pushed by media that supports the competition above all. The ps4 is good enough for me currently (MGSV limited ed console here)
And just how Sony kill the competition with a PS4.5? If this true, Sony is offering another option to the consumer and that might good as it might be bad! Good: Sony start a offensive on the digital store with a similar approach to mobile and Ipad where all purchase will work with future version of the console (like Steam) thus making digital purchase meaningful. Bad: Sony bring confusion to the consumer with to many product to chose from: Should I buy ps4, Ps4.5 or PSVR and if I want PSVR what do I need to play?
Who cares. Multiconsole gamers FTW!! Can't wait for Uncharted 4 and Gears 4 Beta.
1. Sony already won this gen. 2. A PS4.5 will ensure Sony will not lead early next gen when they release the PS5 because many will wait for the PS5.5 before they upgrade. Personally I will stop supporting Sony if they release an upgraded "games" console. Been a staunch PS fan and I have been on this site since 2007. My original username is CMRBE. I will however not support Sony if they go this route as it will be the end of console gaming as we know it.
I will seriously consider giving up console gaming if this ps4k business is true, regular incriment mobile phone updates is one thing but the same thing for consoles is just a bad sign of the times and mega cash grab.
Consoles may become very interesting over the next few years. First I don't believe there will be any more losers. The generations are about to start overlapping each other. If Nintendo and Sony release machines this year that double the PS4. Microsoft might release in 2017 with five or six times the power. No Xbox One.5, right. We might be at a point where generations are only four or five years. Like they used to be. But sense technology changes so fast and everything starts at a profit or close to it there won't be any eight year generations. If Sony and Nintendo launch with Polaris GPUs this year Microsoft launches with Vega next. Vega is a whole new architecture. With Vega and Zen you're talking about going back to desktop APUs. But still low power while extremely high output. Or Microsoft can wait till 2018 to really push past the others and have the advantage since Sony couldn't launch a third console in five years and Nintendo knows their fans won't go for a second in two years. After that it will be constant leapfrogging.
Sony has already won and crushed the competition.
news flash: sony already won this cycle by far.
Um no... Console war has already been won this gen. 4.5k will be a remake to include 4K blueray player, larger HD, and similarity redesigned "slim" ps3 version. There will be no difference in gaming. No, it won't do 4K gaming, you'd need an SLI rig for that with ultra settings. PC dev's just expect people to throw money at their non optimized games running on all sorts of hardware, what else could be expected. PS4 will evolve into the high setting 1080p machine it was intended, throughout it's life even 4 years from now rivaling most PC's on high of course. This is because developers will have the time to learn and tweak on the same hardware like they have every generation. To think Sony would alienate costumers and expect upgrades from over 30 million people is just stupidity. If they were to make such a move, might as well just upgrade your PC.
As an xboxer, hearing about these 2nd versions of consoles is great news. But...I'd rather spend my extra money on Nintendo's NX. Got a gut feeling is going to be great.
i still don't see why we need the ps4k (this is not pc gaming,we will never get the perfomance a 1000 bucks pc can deliver), the regular ps4 is doing the job is supposed to do, it's not the ps4 fault that some game developers can't even deliver 1080p 30 fps,maybe they could try harder
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