This Is Not A Doom For Doom Fans, It’s For New Fans – Doom Multiplayer Beta Impressions (Pixelgate)

Pixelgate writes:

''Doom was shaping up well, the trailer looks fantastic. How could you know be drawn in by the return to old school FPS? Bunny hops, rocket jumps, carrying en entire arsenal on your back. It was supposed to be beautiful, it was supposed to be great…so why did they have to go mess it up?''

[Manio31]

I'm still semi-curious about the campaign though.

[PixelGateUk]

That looks like fun, but not keen if they force you to choose between certain weapons. Doom was always about carrying as much BOOOOOOM as you could

[Kornholic]

Doom singleplayer has a weapon wheel, so you can carry more than two weapons.

[Muzikguy]

Funny you say that, but also say it's not for Doom fans

[Tehcnala]

Me too. Just last month, I played doom 3 in 3d on ps3, and holy sh!t. What a satisfying campaign. Can't wait for 4

[Muzikguy]

Doom 3 was such an awesome game. Going by what I've seen of this new one though I'm going to pass. "Beta" wasn't fun for me

[sk8ofmnd]

I kind of feel like doom 3 was a doom for fans that have been around since the beg, this one im not so sure about yet but it looks like a lot has changed.

[fr0sty]

Comparing multiplayer betas to single player only games?

[Muzikguy]

@fr0sty

I would assume that the single player portion of the game would still play the same as the multiplayer portion of it. That's why I feel the way I do about the game

[Tehcnala]

Wish I could of played the beta. 'In a Spanish accent' regardless holmes, doom is doom and badass

[Muzikguy]

I was not impressed at all with the game. I know it's an arena game, but I couldn't get into it. Already deleted the "beta"

[ZaWarudo]

I hope there's a classic game mode that doesn't have load-outs and all gear must be a field pick ups.

[PixelGateUk]

No load outs, no 'hack' things, no starting with a rocket launcher and things would be much better.

I can take the silly executions but dear god the load out, double jumps and climbing...ewww

[Perjoss]

I think you can make your own game modes with the snap map feature, at least thats what they were saying at last years E3.

[OoglyBoogly]

Unreal Doom? Doom Tournament? Need's a more fitting name.

[PixelGateUk]

It would be better if it played like Unreal. Thankfully Unreal Tournament is free, if you don't mind playing the alpha

[MWH]

you're talking as if one of them or both has identity crisis which is not the case. each has its own merits and both are classics.

[OoglyBoogly]

Wrong. Doom 1 & 2 are classics. This new Doom isn't even goddamn released yet. And as much as people like you want to believe otherwise the two of them are pretty similar in light of this new Doom.

[MWH]

I think you and I misunderstood each other, I would never classify a game before i give it a fair amount of time to form an opinion. i meant that the DOOM and Unreal brands are classics.

as for the new DOOM mp and Unreal Tournament Alpha, i can honestly say that the latter is way ahead in the mp experience.

[OoglyBoogly]

Oh I have no disagreements with the new UT being better than the new Doom but they, in a lot of ways, feel similar. Doom certainly doesn't do much to separate itself.

[r3f1cul]

ehhh... this game just feels super dated to me :/ dunno im still wondering if it can capture that awesome doom single player experience that i know and love but my mp tastes have matured beyond what this game has to offer nowadays sadly :/

[PixelGateUk]

I'd say more confused than dated. They tried to 'update' the style of play but bogged it down in the process. Now it's neither here or there

[r3f1cul]

fair enough i suppose... its definitely off in more then one aspect this much we can all agree on lol

[subtenko]

Then were is it? Under the cubbert? xD

[FlyingFoxy]

I voiced my concerns as soon as i saw the first footage of it. I think it's trying to be too many types of shooters, Doom, Quake, UT.. it just seems like a hybrid game.

Experiences like this seem a bit dated and shallow these days with the likes of L4D2 and Killing Floor 2 being around IMO.

[PixelGateUk]

It plays more like Call of Duty than Quake tbh

[SnakeforPresident]

I SERIOUSLY don't see how anyone can say such a thing. Loadouts, 2 guns ... COD. Lets ignore the fact that the core of any shooter, moving and shooting controls completely and absolutely night and day compared to COD.

[MWH]

the games you mentioned are in the same boat and that is where Doom belongs, it's the unholy marriage with other certain shooters that I don't like much.

[PixelGateUk]

The only thing i can think of is they've did the ol 'well what's popular in big selling fps titles these days?' then just chucked them into the mix.

Should of seen it coming after Rage i guess

[Miguelitons]

Doom will be doomed ... propably not! ;-)

[PixelGateUk]

I can see it selling fairly well, i'll buy it on the cheap for single player, but nothing more...well maybe to play with the editing tools too

[toad404]

its a beta...

[PixelGateUk]

and? the core gameplay mechanics aren't going to change.

[OoglyBoogly]

Exactly. It's incredibly close to release so unless they delay it what we see is 99% of what we'll get.

[BlackWolf12]

The core gameplay mechanics are, you shoot your guns at other people and bad guys.

That's it.

Everything else can be changed.

[NarooN]

@Blackwolf

No they cannot. The game releases in a month, they could only make the most minute of changes before the game went gold and shipped. Even the core gameplay mechanics, something as simple as changing how a single gun functioned could and most likely would take weeks or even a month+ to properly test and debug to make sure it wasn't broken and/or didn't break something else.

People who just handwave this sort of mediocrity by espousing banal platitudes like "it's just a beta" just show how little they know about the actual game dev process.

[sullynathan]

People still think the gameplay will change within a month of release?

[PixelGateUk]

Apparently Toad does :P i think some people don't get that a Beta isn't a early Alpha build where a huge amount can change

[franwex]

Been playing the beta. Not that bad, but not that great. I say wait for a price drop, or game of the year edition. At least multiplayer was pretty average, I'm guessing single player will have good moments, but won't be as memorable as Wolfenstein.

[PixelGateUk]

Steam sales written all over it

[sullynathan]

well yeah, this game looks like shit, isn't as fast as DOOM 1 or 2, does not have level design as good as them and has a low level of skill entry and microtransactions out of the ass plus I can't play this crap on PC because of a stupid D44M 64 error.

There is a huge focus on this loadout, customization crap and the game isn't fast and it seems like it has a hint of Halo influence.

[veicht]

First off there aren't microtransactions supposedly (those multiplayer things are supposedly earned only and are not purchasable). Second when was the last time you played those games? This game might not be the fastest but its definitely faster than most and not really all that far behind doom 1 and 2 (its faster than those when not sprinting and maybe a bit slower than sprint speed). It also has a comparable base move speed to Quake 3 (base being just running speed).

As a huge fan of the doom series (doom 1, 2, and final are some of my favorite games), I am baffled by the amount of insane expectations people have for this SPECIFICALLY in the multiplayer. Doom did not have rocket jumping, it did not have bunny hoping, you couldn't even jump at all yet here we have another article calling it not doom because it doesn't have features that doom never had to begin with. Despite some peoples perspective of the importance of doom multiplayer, the legacy of doom is almost entirely its single-player. It seems that much of the complaints stem from people wanting Quake rather than Doom from Doom.

[sullynathan]

I played doom 2 months ago, it's still fresh in my mind

[veicht]

Play it again side by side, it will probably surprise you. The normal walk speed in doom is noticeably slower than 2016. It feels like a speed somewhere in the middle between the base and sprint speeds.

[WellyUK]

Low skill entry? every game has that even CS... Hence why it's extremely popular it's the skill cap that makes it differ but from what I've played of Doom beta no one is any good at it I can drop 40 bombs after 40 bombs easily yet everyone else seems to be struggling at it. If it took no skill surely everyone would be good at it, most people only seem to be able to use the broken Shotgun.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

I wonder why there is no run or sprint button . In DOOM 1 and 2, your marine could run up to around 55miles per hour . That made deathmatch more fun because if you were low on health you can escape enemy shooting at you and sprint for health packs.

[Sokol]

After three hours, I have had enough. It's not terrible by any means however it has that call of duty wibe that doesn't belong in Doom..

Not to mention weapons are very unbalanced and maps are too small..

Doom was my first pc games many years ago.
I still have hope for the single player however online I'm not coming back.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

The weapons really should of been on map and had a tier system (like Quake ,Unreal and Halo). I like this game, but the mp doesn't feel something that would hold my interest for more than a few weeks to a month. Unfornataley it seems like the development team didn't listen to the feedback given during the alpha. All the imbalance issues from the alpha are in the open beta (demo).

[Omnisonne]

I played it abit, was a huge fan of Quake 3 (seems ages ago now) but I didn't enjoy this all that much. Weapon balance aside I noticed it's pretty rare to win a 2v1 situation, in most cases this results in an incredibly fast death (less than a second sometimes)

Also why the melee animations? Killzone did this too and all it does is break you out of the game and leave you open for someone to finish you off.. looks cool but it sucks gameplay wise.

Perhaps I'm tired of multiplayer shooters myself or something, but for some reason I can't really get into it lol

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

I dunno what you're doing but I usually win 2vs1 or 3vs1, use your frags, lighting gun and shotgun, keeping jumping, even use teleporters to funnel enemies to you. The melee animations are awesome what is wrong with you?

[MWH]

i'm torn between what i'm experiencing and what i'm trying to convince myself but I cannot deny the painful fact. i reached level-10 and i'm not excited to continue, it becomes tedious and lacks the punch Unreal Tournament Alpha has in a quick comparison.

in a word, DOOM mp feels muted!

my hopes now are on the single player.

[FPS_D3TH]

Sorry but what sort of progression in unreal tournament had you hooked to begin with?

[Momo118]

downloading the beta now. fingers crossed that i'll actually like it.

[DragoonsScaleLegends]

I had way more fun playing this than Black Ops III but I wish the horrible gestures and skins wouldn't have carried over to this game.

[ramza04]

This is another game that is bringing aspects from console fps' like call of duty, halo, battlefield and using it to cater and draw in the casual crowd. Companies are so afraid of making a pure arena shooter nowadays, that to have a learning curve/skill gap is too much of a risk. They have to dumb down multiplayer to maximize sales and lure in casual players and give them the most even playing field possible so they can have a sense of being able to compete with better players. Having load outs, overpowered/free kill power ups (demon), no real physics based movements, and an out of place level up system, does not belong in arena based shooters. If I wanted to play a game that has a highly compressed skillgap I'll play CoD. They pussied out and made an arena call of duty hybrid that completely destroys what makes an arena shooter good in the first place. They just might be able to redeem the multiplayer if they add a more competitive classic mode that gets rid of some of these out of place features.

[DeadlyFire]

Plays great to me. I like it.

[Picnic]

I wish they'd make a remake of the first Quake and stick a remake of Quake 3 Arena in there as the online. But I doubt it would feel as surreally floaty as those good multplayer days. Quake 3 was like a giant bouncy castle with guns, it was fun, it was brutal, it had SERIOUS fortress-like architecture that felt that it existed on its own terms with its own non-battle oriented purpose. it wasn't about seeing little 6s and 7s fly off an overpowered , indistinct, opponent with pedestrian depictions of waterfall of blood as the window dressing like some snivelly RPG.

[Reefskye]

DOOM has never been about multi-player anyway, People moaning about Rocket jumps and all the stuff you could do in unreal tournament and Quake, Last time I checked DOOM was neither of them two games and it's multi-player was never like them two games either.

I play/played all the classics and the new UT, UT2k16 never has more than 200 people online at a time during peak, every time I play its always the same people playing, newer people to the series don't know the maps or weapon locations, they have a few rounds get killed by more experienced players and never go back, This is one of the reason there is no weapon pickups.

DOOM should be judged on its own merits (and as a whole package) not by the rose coloured glasses of the past.

And I'm sure Bethesda very well know people want a Quake, So why make DOOM in to Quake in one package when they can release two separate games for people to buy.

[FPS_D3TH]

Don't care what it's "trying" to be. I care about what it is. It's fun and it reminded me of old school shooters. Don't care how close exactly it's trying to be old school, it was fun. Period. Besides, I'm more interested in the co-op snap map feature but no, I'm not going to say the games bad because it didn't meet my expectations of a shooter trying to be old school again. It does a good job at playing as a fast brutal game and it totally emphasizes that by promoting map knowledge and movement by placing power ups and health boosts you desperately need unless you want to die in your second conflict. The games fine. It's people's expectations that are making people upset.

[BlackWolf12]

Wasn't the beta only multi-player?

So in other words, is in no way an indication of what the single player will be.

Doom was always a single player game. So you CANNOT say that this game is not for doom fans, if you haven't even played the single player, which looks great.

Many many MANY games over the years have had stellar single players, but crap multi-players and vice versa.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

So my guess is that the author of this article does not want jumping in the new DOOM ? Because original DOOM had no jump button , you had to press sprint\strafe to go across platforms. Also original DOOM had no up and look either .

[DefenderOfDoom2]

Meant to say your marine could not look up or down in original DOOM games.

[Inzo]

If its not Doom for Doom fans then it is not Doom.

[holtzy]

it looks like a other piece of shit fps game.

[Shaun2k5]

Doom isn't an arena shooter. It never has been an arena shooter. This article is poorly researched.

[Coachkeys]

I want it for the single player. If that's bad then I'll really be disappointed. There's so many other games that can suffice my MP addiction.

[turbogamecat]

Sorry dudes, it was never going to be classic arena shooting. That whole genre is dead. I mean seriously it is. Just as the article suggested, there's still Unreal Tournament games, which have never been popular since the first couple, and the new F2P one will not be as well.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I loved those old games, I do miss arena shooters, but they're not coming back. It's how it goes. Expecting the new Doom to be like the classics was like hoping Dragon's Age would be like Baldur's Gate. But, just like those old 2D CRPGs, if a big time company were to try and re-create the classics, they would fail horribly.

These guys are trying to create a AAA title that will sell units. And if they're trying to re-create the classic golden age PC games that we loved back in the 90s, it wouldn't sell, period. That's how it goes man. As far as I'm concerned they've pushed it as far as they could in terms of making it feel like a classic arena game without alienating the modern gamer.

[BlackDoomAx]

I'm a doom fan and this one is for me. You're argument is invalid.