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The pressure on No Man’s Sky to be “fun” is unfair

Joe from GamersFTW writes: Fun is a hard thing to quantify these days; firstly, because it’s so subjective and peoples’ idea of fun varies in many different ways; secondly, there’s no illicit way for people to have fun. If there was one universal way to have fun, fun would ironically be rather boring.

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3038d ago (Edited 3038d ago )

There will always be people who can't accept a game for what it is. You know the type:

Buy a first person shooter then complain about it not having RPG elements

Buy a survival horror game and then complain about it not having any weapons

Buy a turn based RPG then complain about it not being like Dark Souls

These are examples of the complaints from that very special group of gamers that have infected this very enjoyable form of entertainment, THE WHINY MINORITY.

They refuse to accept a game for what it actually is.

alexgibson3038d ago

But No Man's Sky doesn't fit conventional genres. It's premise seems to be a huge expansive exploration game with multiple different facets. So I think people have every right to question it's substance.. especially since Hello Games have been fairly vague on what the game is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm super excited about No Man's Sky though..

ArchangelMike3038d ago

"...since Hello Games have been fairly vague on what the game is."

You know that this statement is blatanlty not true.

Hello Games have made it very clear what this game is. They have said over and over again in countless interviews what you do in this game, and what the goal of the game is.

At this point, anyone who is still saying - "I don't know what you do in this game," is either delibrately uninformed or just ignoring the facts for the sake of fanboy arguments.

If you still don't know what the game is and what you have to do - it is not because of Hello Games, it is because you haven't been botherd to read the information they have given.

k2d3038d ago

I don't expect it to be like Minecraft, but Mojang kinda laid the groundwork for the open world exploration genre. I hope they've taken some notes.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3038d ago

@alexgibson

It's a massive space exploration game. It's not an unusual genre, it's just ignored by developers. For what reason, I do not know.

garrettbobbyferguson3038d ago (Edited 3038d ago )

It's a space sim. How is that not a conventional genre? The biggest problem is that Hello Games STILL HAVE NOT showed us a lot of the content they're promising. Trading? Nope. Proper dog fighting? nope. NPC interaction was only shown through a leak. A LEAK. People should rightly be hard on the game.

Pongwater3036d ago

"I think people have every right to question it's substance"

Substance and fun aren't the same things. People have a right to wonder what they'll be doing in the game, though as someone who keeps up with news on the title I feel Hello Games has been pretty clear on that subject, but each person has to decide for themselves whether the game is enjoyable.

The "pressure to be fun" is unfair because no game is for everyone. Many love CoD for what it is and wouldn't want it to change very much, but I recently played one of the newer CoDs with my nephew and it only reminded me why I don't like that series. I find other shooters to be much more fun, though CoD consistently outsells them, so whose "pressure to be fun" should I acknowledge as correct?

@garrett - "People should rightly be hard on the game."

Hello Games has said repeatedly the main point of the game is discovery and they don't want to say or show too much. I don't see why that's a problem. "I'll wait and see" is reasonable. "This game is going to suck" isn't. On N4G we see more of the latter than the former. Guys like Foxtrot will sometimes start whining a good six months or more before a game releases.

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ArchangelMike3038d ago

Too right. It not that hard for people to unsderstand that "fun" is subjective - and everyone is free to have fun with whaterver game suited their tasted. But some gamers seem to think that it is their perogative to bad mouth a game that others find fun.

I think the console wars and exclusivity deals have introduced a bias to gaming that is really toxic, and unfortunately, No Man's Sky has fallen victim to it. So you will find people who have no intention of buying the game, and who admit that it is not their type of game, completely pulling the game apart on forums. Why?

Kal-V33038d ago

I don't think I've ever agreed with anything more in my entire adult life than what you just said right there! Holy crap!

asadachi3038d ago

There's also the other side, those who are not getting this on their preferred console, who will try to be negative with every comment or rating. Not because the game isn't any good, it's just because they want Sony to fail no matter what. It's childish, but it's how this console war has turned.

freshslicepizza3038d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen

there is a difference between complaints just for the sake of complaining and valid complaints. learn the difference.

there are lots of people hyped for the game and they have no played it. that's fine. there are also some who question whether it's going to be good and/or fun and they haven't played it. so why is that not acceptable?

people need to learn there are two sides and if you don't like the other opinion then ignore it instead of trying to smother it up because you don't agree with it.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

I accept that people will complain about things like pacing, controls, bugs, glitches, load times, and perhaps even the price. But when there are videos of No Man's Sky and videos of various developers who have worked on the game posted on Youtube clearly stating what this game contains, Space Exploration, (ala Star Trek) there is absolutely no reason for someone to buy the game and then complain about it not having multiplayer or co-op.

-_-

_-EDMIX-_3037d ago

LMFAO! Agreed. They be like "WOW No Man Sky doesn't even have flight sim, RTS or RPG and or MOBA FEATURES BRO".

I've even read folks saying things like The Division has a forced online and they can't play it offline as a single player only game....

Soooo lets just ignore on the very first day the game announced it was as a "online", open world, RPG.

I don't get it. Basically they don't want it for what its intended genre is, they want it to be something they personally want it to be. Its strange, makes no sense and many seem cry, tear up and complain about such things even though gaming is a choice and they've been given transparency...some times YEARS in advance of what the game actually was.

Might be the slowest, saddest, simplest beings on this site. Legit...

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3037d ago

You get it. Some people don't because they're thick in the head and believe that the world revolves around them and should cater to just them. And that's all it is...

Spoiled rotten.

freshslicepizza3037d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen
"I accept that people will complain about things like pacing, controls, bugs, glitches, load times, and perhaps even the price. But when there are videos of No Man's Sky and videos of various developers who have worked on the game posted on Youtube clearly stating what this game contains, Space Exploration, (ala Star Trek) there is absolutely no reason for someone to buy the game and then complain about it not having multiplayer or co-op. "

this isn't about co-op or multiplayer and that is easy enough to find out. we are talking about whether the game will be fun or not and it is also something i wonder myself. all i ever hear about this game is how large and vast it is and people still wonder what it is you do exactly. from how challenging it is, how engrossing the experience will be and all of that.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

Fun, in this case, is purely subjective.

What may be fun to you may not be fun to ME.

I don't like online, multiplayer shooters, but if I were to buy such a game I would not expect it to have survival horror elements at all.

You may enjoy COD and hate games like Until Dawn. Just because YOU don't believe Until Dawn is fun doesn't mean that someone else will share your OPINION.

Let's see if he gets it.

-.-

freshslicepizza3037d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen
"Fun, in this case, is purely subjective."

it is subjective so don't whine or get upset if some reviewers don't like it. if you end up enjoying it then that is all that matters. i just don't understand how someone can claim this game looks good and then at the same moment try and argue against those who may not think it looks good. each of you go in with your own expectations and yours is no better than theirs and the reviewers should give a reason why it scores good or why it scores badly because like you said, it's all subjective.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3037d ago

Who said anything about reviews? I merely pointed out the truth. Your idea of fun, may not be the same as mine, which isn't subjective. Some people just need to do a little research. If you have never played a space exploration game, search for some on google and youtube, watch them, play them, or whatever. If you don't like the genre, move on to something else, but don't act like everyone is going to agree with what you believe is fun. It's never going to happen.

freshslicepizza3037d ago

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen
"Who said anything about reviews? I merely pointed out the truth."

what truth, that you are already thinking this game is going to be great without play it?

"Your idea of fun, may not be the same as mine, which isn't subjective. Some people just need to do a little research. If you have never played a space exploration game, search for some on google and youtube, watch them, play them, or whatever. If you don't like the genre, move on to something else, but don't act like everyone is going to agree with what you believe is fun. It's never going to happen."

this isn't a versus b. i can enjoy some rpg's for example and not others. so settle down there and once again who cares what other people think if you are already going to enjoy the game no matter what?

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detroitmademe3038d ago

I'm intrigued by this game but I really just need to see some extended gameplay of it. Because I've seen a few videos about it having combat and rpg elements but I need to know how extensive these aspects are. I understand it isn't a run and gun type of game but I just need to know the scoop on this

Cy3038d ago

Yeah, fun is subjective, but gamers aren't supposed to be objective about the games they play. Wanting a game to be fun--whatever that means to you--isn't unfair in the slightest. A game can be the most innovative, original thing in the world and still be boring.

Goldby3038d ago

we as gamers need to be objective and subjective when it comes to games we play. if not, games like Unity in its broken launch state would be more apparant than it is. its a balancing act between subjective and objective.

i personally hate Destiny after i was burned at launch by them,thats being subjective. Destiny though, has some of the tightest shooter controls on the market. thats being objective.

Timesplitter143038d ago (Edited 3038d ago )

There's no point in games that aren't fun. Fun is the only thing a game absolutely must be. So no, it's not unfair for people to expect NMS to be fun.

The author got his analysis backwards. His definition of "fun" doesn't make any sense. Not sure where he got this silly idea that fun means AAA. For me it's the other way around most of the time

jb2273038d ago

The point is that "fun" is an absolutely relative term. Some people find fun in inventory micromanagement from rpg's, and that stuff bores me to tears. Some people find fun in mindless fps titles. Some find fun in puzzle games.

Every game released is "fun" to someone, even if you don't count yourself among that group. The only thing we have to go on is history & Hello Games Joe Danger was nothing if not "fun" so I think NMS is looking fine at this point.

Timesplitter143038d ago

Exactly, the point is that fun is a relative term, so why is he saying it's unfair for people to expect NMS to be fun?

Aloy-Boyfriend3038d ago

At this point it is very unfair to say that No Man's Sky is not fun. Games aren't as fun watching them as when you play. You will never know how fun a game is until you are in control.

It is not fun to watch Telltale games. I feel sorry for those who thought watching lets plays of their games felt it was enough. Being able to make your own choices and feeling connected with the characters is where these games shine. You can't do that watching lets plays.

No man's Sky seems not different. Where is the fun watching others do what you could be doing yourself: naming planets, aliens, leaving your mark in the planet, and so on?

Besides, I've seen doghfights, first person shooting, explorations and NPCs with dialog choices. What more are you expecting?

The objective in this game is to find the center of the Universe. What you encounter in this quest is what is gonna be fun. How can people judge a game based on some short gameplay videos? You rather want everything spoiled to you lioe Ubi did with Watch Doge?

How about you wait and find out for yourself?

_-EDMIX-_3037d ago

It actually really, really depends. Some games are about the concept of what you do, some are about how it actually feels. You can very much watch a game and be able to tell if you would like it if its concept isn't really about feel, but ideals.

Hard to really explain but some times the thing that is fun might be just the outcome of something vs how it physically feels.

Some games are kinda like that were you can tell if you would like them or not, ironically Telltales games are sorta that. I can tell if I might like one of their titles as the game's concept is what really caries it, not how it feels. How it feels is literally irrelevant to the actual fun aspect of the game.

The fun is the choices, watching the outcomes...that is something you can do watching it and figure out you might like it. I can't do that with God Of War, I can't do that with Shadow Of Mordor etc. Those are what I call "Feel" games in which the thing you are physically feeling and doing is what actually builds that "fun" feeling.

No Man Sky from what I've seen is very much about the idea and concept of the exploration and not really about how it physically feels. You can likely tell if you'll like No Man Sky simply by watching some of it as knowing that its main point is this universe where all planets are different, have different life etc, that isn't a concept or an ideal that is based on "feel" or anything physical that you would need to play to understand.

Some are easy to convey like that. No Man Sky from what I've seen, comes off as a title that you actually don't need to physically get how it plays or feels, to fully understand why someone would want to play that.

I agree with you though, this is something someone needs to play for themselves or watch footage of after release to see if they want it. I don't think the team needs to do much else considering the game's concept is more so about something that isn't really based on feel.