Brutal Gamer writes: "Sony recently announced their anwser to the 360's messenger pad but where Microsoft got it so right, Sony seem to have got it so wrong."
why is this under 360?
sorry! was half asleep :( thanks for the info
Hellbringer please try to change comment or it may start a war Also anyone can think of a game key pad its not soemthing ms invented. it something simple and ms have patented 5000 idea for xbox live just so sony cant improve? Want proof?
No I do not need proof. As a gamer I don't care about patents for this and that. I simply want the best product available. Im sure MS do have patents but that doesn't stop it having a better design in my opinion. Likewise, Sony have many patents meaning that the 360 could never have products as good as the Eyetoy for example.
They patented 5000 simple idea such as Spectatin and some kind of friend system and soundtrack system in game Very simple yet they were allowed to patent. The supreme court says anything under the son that is made by man can be patented. This is cheap and not fair and yet MS is happy that they did something like this http://www.microsoft.com/pr...
Why are you aiming it all at MS? Every company does this...you sound like a fanboy...
5000 simple ideas? Thats just insnane. So dispciable dont you think You probably dont have a mind if you dont think 5000 patents for xbox live is crazy?
It is a little high but it would be interesting to know what Nintendo had for the Wii.
By the way. Dont you even know what a patent is? bubbles please, gave you one for keeping up this conversation in sha allah (if god wills it) this article will be 100dgrs even before its approved
A patent is something protecting an idea or design right? ie stopping copy-cat versions. 5000 is a lot and it may help explain why the PSN isn't quite what it should be. Any idea as to where I can find a list? bubbles to you for keeping the conversation aslo :)
http://patft.uspto.gov/ you can search all of MS patents there however searching patents is so complicated you need to get a degree to now how to really search. you have to be a patent broker. i dotn really know how to search. But that is the U.S patent office
why the hell would I need to change comment, the poster got my message, it wasn't fanboyish or anything, just told him to correct a mistake on the submission of the article, my comment wasn't even about the article itself. btw there are many many loop holes in patents, plus, small changes in design of idea can be considered innovation, thus completely bypassing patents, remember that little patent of custom music? Yeah Sony bypassed it easily. and its nothing new either, everyone does it, its over things get better. call it forced innovation if you like.
http://www.consolesource.co... microsoft copied ps2 controller
ITs not a gimmick if it was then it would sell like the wii, am going to buy this thing am tried of typing long messages with the Controller
Actually, there was this third party peripheral for PS3 from MadCatz. Almost all the same configurations, also comes on top of the controller. It came way before anyone was even talking the 360 peripheral, in fact, I have seen it like in March 2007. So, technically, PS3 isn't copying 360, Sony is actually comepting with a third party peripheral or trying to push to the light this possibility with the controller. And yes, PS2 have keyborad-controllers way before. And PS3 compatible. The way I see, this don't matter since we should get DiNovo Edge Mini/Micro (don't remember the name, but it's about the same size of a PSP, a built-in mousepad and it's independent bluetooth accessory, don't need to plug in the controller) in almost no time now... Not to say, you can just use any keyboard (but there is the size problem, but I think that a standard mini kb - a basic kb without number pad, arrows and delete/page up area - can solve this).
i prefer the good ol keyboard in the usb + controller for fighting! big hands wont like the little button to smash when typing!
The DiNovo Mini is sweet, but too pricey for me ($132) - I don't think it would be useful enough to justify that price. But if I can get something like this to add on to a PS3 controller in the $20-$40 range I'll be happy - it'll save me lot's of time when I'm messaging on my PS3.
http://patft.uspto.gov/neta... This is why Sony or Nintendo can't make an voice chat in-game. M$ has officialy no moral.
ie been hearing that sony is the inovator and microsoft and nintendo are just following and copping from sony.I'm tired of hearing this because it's a lie,they all copy each other and that's a fact. here's a few things that sony coppied from the other two 1-moition controller from nintendo 2-microsoft started online play first 3-the keypad they are talking about 4-while we are on it,they had a video game system out before atari even had one out.Now if any one want to claim that sony,microsoft,atari,and nintendo coppied off of them with video game systems then they are right. and they have more things then this.Don't get me wrong microsoft and nintendo coppies to.they all coppied things from each other and that's a fact.I'm just tired of reading ps3 fanboys crap that sony never coppied from any one and they were the first one to come out with things and the other 2 coppied from them and it's far from the truth.the fact is that sony never came up with 1 original ideal of their on when it comes to video game systems.sony didn't come out first with 1-videogame systems 2-moition controllers 3-rummble 4-wireless controllers 5-online gameplay don't get me wrong they made some things better that's it.i would like to see The ps3 fanboys proof that sony never coppied things from anyone especially these thing.
I believe that Sega was the first to do Online Console gaming,not MS.
ms have patented 5000 idea for xbox live just so sony cant improve? dispicable dont you think
(thanks for the info about commenting in both zones). You know my views on this so I wont carry on. It is business, every company does it.
Here i made an already done search of Microsoft for you http://patft.uspto.gov/neta... "in= inventor name* Look at those stupid patents. they should not even be allowed to b patented change it to sony if you want . change in to sony
THANKS. Post edit
DOUPLE POST should be banned by now
coincidently, that was the working title of the article. I am following the N4G guidelines and all titles will be the same as the original title.
this look convenient....
Since the Xbox 360 is flopping worldwide,I expect the Ps3 keypad to be purchased by the Xbots jumping ship
wow that keyboard is junk but i guess junk keyboard and junk ps3 does match so good for ps3 fangirls
has a point.
Why thank you :P
Chxd did you know you can comment on the open zone 6 times. if you want to comment again you can do it there. just so you know
i just picked up my controller and checked where my thumbs felt more comfortable. i cant really put my thumbs where the 360 keyboard is because everybody thumbs can only move a certain amount down and mine can only move a bit because they are stretched too far. but where the ps3 keyboard looks like its going to be seems easier to use becuase you are not stretching your thumb away from your fingers, you actually move them closer. it may be a little stretch to reach the top buttons but it seems to be ok. this is just an educated guess, i haven't actually tried ether
They should have licensed MS's bottom thumbpad. this beast doesnt look ergonomic at all, and making the controller top heavy is a bad idea for extended gaming.
You can not be serious.....having both controllers......for me there is no denying that the placement is better on the 360 controller............unless you have really really short thumbs...but even then you have to reach all the way to the top of the ps3 controller. Come on now...are you really being serious and non-bias? Want another example? Look at cell phones...the ones with qwerty keyboards usually have it come out from the bottom. Your opposable thumb has an easier job swiveling below then trying to stretch above.
I think if Sony really wanted to, they could have put the chat pad at the botoom (cos it's not that hard to extend the USB connection). The reason they probably didn;t do that is because 1) it would be too similar to the 360 chat pad, and 2) you hold the PS3 controller in a different way to the 360 controller (hence the reason why most 360 owners have no clue how to hold the PS3 controller properly), so the chat pad would actually come in the way.
These little attachments are for the tiny fingers. Why hasn't logitech updated the netplay controller and made a wireless version. That thing was big bulky ugly and such but when it worked nothing was better for an intergrated keyboard + controller. Since they've been discontinued they're next to impossible to find new.
PS3 Keypad Copied Xbox 360. Sony just steals thats all there good at
PS3 didnt copy 360 you ass holes!
lol. Anyway, of course it's a gimmick, but the fact you can use a USB keyboard makes it entirely optional, unlike the 360's gimmick of being forced to use one.
@ PirateThom You can use a USB Keyboard for messages on the 360 as well. Nobody is forcing 360 users to use the attachable mini-keyboard.
o yea thats why MS is using the avatar system, and is basically using a 3d version of the XMB in their new Dashboard update. Why they are putting whole xbox 1 games on live didnt come from sony and nintendo now MS thought of that one. right. Come on.
Then I take the back, you are indeed correct. I actually wasn't aware of that.
Microsoft's latest E3 conference consisted of announcements that Sony and Nintendo made one or two E3s ago.........Microsoft is the king of copycat!!!...never buying one of their products...it's usually cheaply manufactured and the poor man's version of it.......hey 360 people...don't criticize eyepet or any new and innovative Sony product because Microsoft will probably be announcing the exact same stuff at next year's E3......hahahahahaha
Xbox Avatars = Nintendo Miis New Xbox chat with pics = PS3 pre-existing chat Xbox new "you're in the movies" with interactive camera = PS3 EyeToy Xbox Live chat pad copied a PS2 controller Microsoft's BIG NEWS at E3 was that Xbox is getting a dimbed-down version of a PS3 exclusive
How retarded can you get?
Hahahahahahha that looks so horrendous what was sony thinking off
X-bots are hopeless....haha Microsoft's latest E3 conference consisted of announcements that Sony and Nintendo made one or two E3s ago.........Microsoft is the king of copycat!!!...never buying one of their products...it's usually cheaply manufactured and the poor man's version of it.......hey "Waste of everyone's time" X-bots.....don't criticize Eyepet or any new and innovative Sony product because Microsoft will probably be announcing the exact same stuff at next year's E3......hahahahahaha @ PP That little Sony keyboard looks better than any Microsoft product I have ever laid eyes on......from now on every single Xbox or Microsoft product has Too Human and faulty written all over it.....it's tainted.....the richest company in the world keeps getting richer because of idiots like you...that buy useless and overpriced products because you are easily influenced by hype and consistent promotion......
which idiot would say ps3 copied 360? http://forums.n4g.com/fb.as... PS2 had it
I didny say they copied. I simply implied it followed the 360's. Which is obviously a fact.
no look here chexd http://forums.n4g.com/fb.as... ps2 keypad
That never saw a proper release outside of Japan. It is a different product entirely.
so who followed who fa*ot chexd haha you just made yourself look like an idiot by saying Sony followed MS Sony said "we lead, we dont follow"
In this generation, Sony DID follow MS. MS released the add-on Chatpad first, simple as. Why deny it? They obviously got the inspiration from the 360, don't be so ignorant to suggest otherwise. How old are you? Sony also said, "Go kill yourself!" are you going to take that as gospel too?
Chexd, ignorant much?
http://forums.n4g.com/fb.as... The above proves MS ones again copies Sony
Man, you are just sad lol!
This article is stupid, and the chatpad is a gimmick in general. Of all the games I've played online on the 360, BFBC, Halo, Gears, COD4, etc, I have only used the mic, not a stupid chat pad. You'd probably get banned if you keep on sending text messages to people thru out the game and you won't get replies either. So by default, using the chatpad already slows down the flow of the game. The chatpad is for Live messenger, and for text chat in game rooms, just like what this PS3 chatpad is for. The chatpad is not designed to play games while texting because there are no games currently that support such stupid functions beside MMOs and neither consoles got any except for FF11.
Also, you don't get banned by sending alot of messages while playing online (only if you threaten or spam the same person). Some people prefer to text rather than talk in the mic, so this is good for them... Dude, this is just an option! Not something to become the only option.
What I meant was banned/kicked from the server you're playing on. And even if you prefer to use text rather than mic on the 360, it's still going to disrupt the flow of the game which is the main reason why the writer of this stupid article is criticizing Sony for. I don't even have a Ps3 and only have a 360 but I don't choose sides and I'm just saying things like they are. If I want to send a message to my friends while I play COD4, I'd have to bring up the guide and scroll all the way to my friend list, and the process isn't a speedy one believe me. And messaging the ppl that are also playing the game in you would be pointless either. They would be too busy killing/hiding/dying to even reply to you (not everyone's 360 controller is equipped with a chatpad you know or would take the time to type a message to you while in-game). So if the writer wants to call the PS3 chatpad a gimmick, might as well call the 360's chatpad a gimmick as well because to me they are both useless in-game.
But don't you get that it's just an option!? Seriously, have you met people that you were playing with send you a message? Not that many, and even if they were, just ignore it dude... And why would you send a message to your friends while playing online? By the time you do, 3 minutes have passed and you could have made a couple of kills before the end of the game...
Stop arguing, ultimate.
Which idiot would say they didn't?
where all copy whore's get over it would xbox even BE if it wasnt for the playstation? nope _____________________________ ____________________ and its about practicality, where the f*ck else is it suppose to go? it has to be on top regardless il be getting one for Home If not i could always pick up a wireless bluetooth keyboard ahhhh the PS3 you have so many features
well said 5.1. (at least to some of your points). I dont care if that is the only available place for it. If the only available place for the chatpad was on the disc tray would that be an excuse? EDIT: It has been a long day. Thanks for pointing out my typo 5.3
Your 5.2 0_o EDIT He fixed it :)
um from what ive seen you dont have to move you whole and up to type unless you have really really tiny hand you should be able to still move your thumbs up instead of down to type. I think the mouse idea is kool, but wont get used like they might want it to be used. i mean instead of plugging a mouce into your ps3 and using up another USB port you can put it into the controller. its really saving space thats all.
Seems like whoever wrote that article doesn't have a real PS3 controller to compare the image to. From my comparison, the keypad is small enough so that I can just move my thumbs up a little to type. Probably about the same amount of movement needed for the 360 Keypad, but upwards instead. So really, what's the difference? Upwards movement instead of downwards, and touchpad. Much better than the 360's version in my opinion. Plus, imagine if some games took advantage of the touchpad. DS-like games on PS3? Integrate it with PSEye and SIXAXIS? The possibilities are endless.
I questioned why it was up there but now I see its because of the mouse, you can use that pad with only one hand while gripping the controller with another, I think the mouse being there is just cool. Now we're in a world were more features is a bad thing. apparently.
guys a good idea is a good idea and everyone is gonna copy the other but hey,first trophies,now this? a bit more creative sony