"We are more committed to our console and the future of that console than we have ever been."
The idea of upgradable consoles shouldn't have a negative impact on consoles. It's simply providing more options and it's how it should have always been in my opinion. As long as you can play the same game on your Xbox one as you can on your new 4k Xbox one and pc, what's the big deal? Developers can develop a game on pc and let it scale down appropriately depending on which device you're running.
Thing is console owners are going to run into the same issue PC owners do. Namely, wanting and buying a game then discovering they need to upgrade. With possibly the difference of being able to play it at lower quality.
No sir, the universal app will enable it to run across all platforms. Dev's will be able to develop for the highest level and it will step down for those systems with less umph. So if I have the best hardware available and you dont it will run on both. One will be better performing.
The thing is, Microsoft still hasn't neen clear about their plans which is really weird because all the wind up doing is causing confusion. When they make press announcements they need to be clear with their messaging. No one xan even say with certainty that the supposed upgradable console is even the Xbox One. We donr even know if there is an upgradable console coming or if he is refering to being able to play all you Xbox one games on all Windows 10 devices like tablets and PC. None of these articles acknowledge that they dont have a damn clue because there are no clues. Only PR
@Eonjay "The thing is, Microsoft still hasn't neen clear about their plans which is really weird because all the wind up doing is causing confusion. " Agreed. We should wait and see what they have to say at GDC and maybe Build and E3 too. They really haven't outlined their plans yet. so we know nothing, all we keep reading are assumptions so farr.
Yup, seeing a trailer for a game and not knowing how it's going to look on the console you own is a bad thing, I don't like that idea at all. Already not liking when you don't know if it's PC footage or console footage when you see gameplay, let alone when this is going to happen with console exclusive games and you have no clue yet how it's going to look. Nope, not liking this idea at all... Well, maybe I have mixed feelings about it.
@MCTJim Ahhh, MS and their buzzwords, Universal Apps is the new thing now that everyone seems embrace and looks smitten at. I just wish people knew what it actually meant and that still all the old issues of having to support and test and debug for different hardware specs is still the same as it always has been. Only thing that it's making easier is to port programs from one device to the next, but you're forgetting that it means the program needs to only use the common denominator of all the supported devices, sure it might scale certain things like resolution or assets but a program optimised for one set of hardware works best on that particular set of hardware so the program will still contain pieces that will only be used for certain devices otherwise it won't perform well at all. Thing is, the only difference with the old way and Universal Apps is that with an Universal App all the specific code for all the different devices is all in the same app while with the old way each app version only included the code for the device it was meant to be for. All the programming hassles are still the same...
"We should wait and see what they have to say at GDC and maybe Build and E3 too." And the thing with that is that we really wont know what MS has planned until its actually out in the world.
Of course they would say that. That's PR speak. They consoles to sell right now!
@Godmars290 "Thing is console owners are going to run into the same issue PC owners do. Namely, wanting and buying a game then discovering they need to upgrade." more fear mongering. nothing phil said or anyone else in the xbox team has said such things. in fact the opposite was said and that is backwards comparability. funny how the one company who is making backwards compatibility for free on the xbox one still has a bunch of folks out there trying their best to do their usual smear campaigning. "With possibly the difference of being able to play it at lower quality." what's the problem with that? why is having options now a bad thing? why is having an option to upgrade that could play games like halo 5 in 4k an issue when those who have the original xbox one can still play it?
@MCTJim Except if that was true, you wouldnt have to upgrade PC. LOl. I love people damage control this as if this is some new magical thing. No, PC had this "feature" from the beginning. Upgradeable configuration means less optimization. That means less cost efficiency. It will be better buying PC instead
Agreed. I think its a bad idea and fragments the market, something that is counter productive to the concept of consoles in the first place. Developers like knowing that everyone is jumping to the next gen together and on the same page, not this upgrade junk as it also means many developers may not make that jump if they don't see an adoption to the new upgrade fast enough to justify losing money. Make new hardware and call it a day. I don't see the point in stagnating the generation. They basically could be handing Sony yet another freebie to run the whole next gen with PS5 legit being the only next gen platform in regards to power.
Godmars290 "Namely, wanting and buying a game then discovering they need to upgrade. With possibly the difference of being able to play it at lower quality." -but that's normal, if you paid for a particular setup, thats what you get to play. pc gamers never cry like it's their right to play a new game on ultra settings when they did not invest the money into the latest high end rig to do so. Aenea "Yup, seeing a trailer for a game and not knowing how it's going to look on the console you own is a bad thing, I don't like that idea at all." -Really?, 99% of the games released get verified pc & console gameplay footage shown off across the internet BEFORE release, in the odd case you don't see it how about wait 1 day after release when there's footage of tons of gamers out their playing.(not that I've never seen enough difference through pc vs console trailers to ever care) Godsmars290 "And the thing with that is that we really wont know what MS has planned until its actually out in the world." -Well not exactly I'm sure their plans will at least be discussed in more detail poor to release >>IF<< indeed this is the direction they are going in, but either way it doesnt make much sense to get to far ahead of ourselves before we know what they're doing. EDMIX "I think its a bad idea and fragments the market, something that is counter productive to the concept of consoles in the first place." -Hold on, I've heard for a very long time now that Xbox pc exclusives meant you don't need a Xbox, so wouldn't their market already be fragmented? X1 on its way to likely 24-25 million sold by years end, OK so that's not as great as ps4 but why can't the next Xbox continue to co-exist with pc even closer? Assuming the next Xbox is a hybrid console/pc setup why is that evolution bad when ps4 will still be a great alternative and those same Xbox games will be on pc? I like the idea because maybe just maybe such a hybrid will be the middle ground home console-pc box that may appeal to alot of folks. lol, aren't we forgetting that if you don't like this idea you will still be able to play Xbox games on pc? It's very different if for example this was Sony releasing the ps4 with some very, very fundamental changes to the traditional console with no there option of playing Sony exclusives....no here you have another well known pc platform to access Xbox games.
No where in the article does it mention anything about upgradeable consoles... It was only talking about xbox one games coming to the PC. As for upgradeable consoles, you tread a fine line if you do that. Graphics aren't the only thing that can be improved upon, destruction and the size of the map can be increased as well. If someone goes into a store, sees a game that says xbox one, buys it, and goes home. How would they feel when they pop it in and see that features are missing because they didn't have an add-on, so the console "scaled" it down for them?
It is isn't even clear if the console is more of a model refresh as opposed to a upgrade part. I vote the former as more likely ala iPhone type release schedule. That said, yeah this is going to be great for Xbox games. You will now have opportunity to get faster innovation into consoles instead of being stuck with stale and static hardware for a half a decade or more.
Um there are backing away from console business and going into the steambox business because upgradable consoles sounds like a steam box to me.
i disagree. i game on consoles so that everyone is playing the same way as me,the only exception is differnt tv and maybe a differnt pad. not with an unlevel playing field like on pc.
Well duh guys no one is gonna openly say they are leaving it ..
"We will never sell Xbox without Kinect" "Absolutely not true that Microsoft is backing away from console gaming" We'll see.
They're just putting themselves in a position where they can.
Depends. Will the Xbox Two be a PC with Windows 10 and the Xbox logo slapped on it? The line between console and PC is blurring.
This line has been blurring for a long time, but the defining factor of a console has always been 10-feet user interface, ease of use, instantness and controller. In recent time, it also means universal features (as opposed to PCs fragmented) such as game chat, party chat and so on. All of this will be retained and the hardware below it has never really mattered.
If PC means you can run PhotoShop and recode videos, than NO. Xbox "PC" will only be able to play games with some standard universal apps. No nude mods for you
"We are more committed to our console and the future of that console than we have ever been." That doesn't make any sense. You've taken exclusive games from one platform and put them on another making them console exclusives. That is by definition having less commitment to the Xbox One than you previously did.
That's just odd for them to say that.
If they are able to bring some games that were/are/would be exclusive to PC to X1 because of the shared architecture would that amount to more commitment to you? Is the ONLY way to judge commitment by how many exclusives a console has? Would a "console" exclusive i.e. not on PS4 be beneficial to the X1? If MS releases more "console" exclusives than it did last gen, would you consider that increased commitment? If MS was able to make more money releasing on PC/X1 and in turn make more games would that be good? Or does it have to come to the X1 and ONLY the X1 to be considered a good thing?
For forum-warriors they need it be the X1 or PS4 only. They dont see the business side of this industry, only the imaginary war.
The Xbox One is the first console in history to have 0 fully exclusive games.
@Overlord And with 20 million consoles sold. What does that mean?
20M sold before we knew they were doing this plan FTFY
@Pope Well said. Until MS goes into more detail about their plans nobody knows anything so for now people will just keep assuming and looking for ways to downplay this. let them.
Technically for them Xbox One and Wind10 is becoming a single platform. With universal apps, they're aiming to merge the two. That's been their aim since Windows 10 announcement. I think right now we only see the benefit being one sided, with games going from Xbox to PC but their end game is to make it work both ways. Xbox to PC, PC to Xbox. https://twitter.com/Prophec... Phil also stated Cross buy is also their future for exclusives, so that's another thing I for one would appreciate, as I have both Xbox One and a Gaming PC.
@Manic Well said, additionally, a new Forza got teased for E3 recently coming to Xbox One plus more new game announces and more games are in development for Xbox One. I dont see nothing negative. Can't wait for E3.
The new upgradable Xbox should be called Xbox Infinity. :)
How is that less commitment? Before and after, you still have the same games, and can do the exact same thing with your console. On top of this, you now have more benefits. That said, in a twisted fanboy world you lost "value", which is really just you feeling as if you lost something yet the console is exactly the same with more features. Go figure!
Let me ask you something. I now have a Ps4 and a very good windows 10 PC. Can you list me why I should buy an XB1 now? I was leaning to buying it because of the exclusives but after all of this happened, i don't really have any reason to buy it. So most gamers who do have a capable PC won't really give an eye to the XB1. Which also means Less hardware sales for MS. But of course, more software sales. Please say that i'm wrong now.
@Dragondark You are the exact type of gamer MS wants to bring into the windows/xbox ecosystem. They are giving you more options..You don't need to buy an xbox console but you get to pay for and play Xbox software on your windows PC. win win...
@chris So hardware doesn't matter to MS anymore or what? I wouldn't buy an XB1.. how can they sell more xb1s like that?
@dragonddark The main goal for platform holders is not to sell you hardware. It's to make money off of software, online subscriptions and 3rd party licenses. They merely use hardware as a tool to do that. That's why consoles are considered loss leaders. Any profit they get from the hardware itself is a bonus, but traditionally, console hardware tends to sell at either a loss or at least a break-even point. But then platform holders don't mind because they're making money off of software and services.
dragonddark: You should buy an Xbox now because you already are familiar with MS first party games that you enjoy, already own the games as cross-buy i.e. invested into the platform, find the hardware cheaper than PC and would like to play games in the living room with unified friend/chat system, and all the conveniences of a console. That is why!
Times are changing. It's obvious that consoles in the traditional sense are no more. We already have consoles doing a lot more than just gaming. We have both companies trying to expand into the living room, both companies trying to have services that seamlessly work across multiple devices. MS is pushing Win 10/PC as their own platform. Their games can only be purchased from their store and used on their OS. Think of it as when a game releases at the same time for PS3/PS4 and Vita. Sony is supporting all their platforms with these type of games. MS is doing the same thing.
How many console-only owners are going to spend money on a PC able to run those games? What exact percentage of the console market would do that?
Okay, I'm starting to feel a little better about this. My whole thing is, what is upgradable that the consumer could handle doing. Swapping out an internal HDD for PS4 or X1 is pretty easy for the most part but anything else might have the consumer a little confused. I'm not gonna lie though, I bought an Xbox One for exclusive games. So yeah, theses announcements have not been the most exciting times ever.
Remember the ire Valve got when it released Steam Machines? Microsoft teases the same idea and gamers praise it as the second coming. Ill never understand humans....
Yup, and you will also never sell the Xbox One without a Kinect, ...rite? Seriously, its very difficult to trust Microsoft after the couple of lies and false announcements by them in the recent past.
that's exactly what I was thinking about when I read the title. lol MS: "we can't just flip a switch and turn it off". A week later, flips a switch and turns it off.
Lol you guys and that statement of flipping switches. Obviously it was not a "flip" of the switch. There most likely had to be recoding to the OS of which is probably why some of the very simple features like battery notification were left out at launch because of time constraints because of back tracking and trying to recode old code. Then again I could be wrong, all of this is just my opinion and wat I think happened
I don't why MS will lie about this. Or have any reason to. Kinect's a peripheral that shot the price up on the console, that's understandable to sell with out it to bring down the price. We're talking an entire console iteration here. I don't see them backing away from console gaming and if they were it wouldn't be any time soon.
@Angelice Have you noticed that those making the most noise about this are the ones who constantly bash MS and do not even own an xbox one but somehow MS plans for the future of the console matters to them so much...I don't get it but It's hilarious XD
@Chris Yeah I don't understand it myself but its annoying though. They don't planning on delving into the Xbox ecosystem so why does any this matter to them? I don't understand ppl here.
I always find it funny that some people seem utterly incapable of letting that go. The console was great day one and has only gotten better. #moveon
I believe they will still push the xbox but not to the extent they did before. Exclusives and marketing deals was how they use to push the xbox the big one being exclusives. Now that there are none it is obvious that they are just going to sell the xbox as a device to play games tied to their new gaming ecosystem. However xbox is no longer centerpiece of their gaming.
They really didn't push the Xbox itself though,it was more like pushing Halo and Gears the rest of the development studios out there supported for a lack of easier platform,it being a platform that was very unreliable hardware-wise was of very little significance to them. Easier really means less investing of time=money.Despite the PS3 having a decent user base it was too little of difference to support it properly.
Xbox is here to stay. The upgradability of future XBoxes with The Windows 10 ecosystem with scalability will benefit the brand in the end. It is all part of the roadmap. As a XB2 in 2 years, the games and apps you buy will be compatible with XB1, just XB2 will give better performances....aka like a minimum requirement for PC game (XB1) and a maximum speced out version of the same game (XB2). Current XB1 owners won't be left out because they can still still buy and play GTA6 but they have the option to get the ultimate console version of that same game with a XB2 that runs off the same Blu Ray disc or digital download, but with higher textures quality, full 60fps, maybe up to 4K, more grass... just like PC games does now with many configurations and specs to choose from. That is what Phil is referring to when he said forward compatibility and comparing it with a yearly phone upgrade. An app and game will still run on old hardware but will be enhanced to its full potential on newer and more powerful hardware...aka XB1.1 or XB2 or whatever you want to call it.
I have read over Phil's statement multiple times, and it reads like typical PR non disclosure. He never explicitly states that the xb1 one will receive upgrades to specs. He instead uses the word innovate, the media managed to spin the word 'innovate' into upgrade. Attaching upgrades to console with a static apu makes no sense what so ever. Improve the GPU and it gets bottlenecked by the old CPU. What about the system bus and motherboard, could those even handle working with an additional graphic or computer processor. I this whole upgradable XBox one crap reminds me of the same nonsense that happened when Yoshida gave a typical non disclosing answer about an upgrade able PS4. The media spun his words and people ran with the false information.
I am not talking about attachment upgrade here. I am talking about following the phone business model where new hardware are release periodically and the old hardware still can run the same game. It is like buying a new Alienware PC rig to replace your old Alienware PC rig and not necessarily replacing and upgrading parts. Phil on his speech already said about forward compatibility and following the phone business model so I dont know where the confusion is?
Look for an Xbox Slim come E3. Phil is giving us hints and most people are spinning the real message. Phil is a gamer he wants forward and backward compatibility on all his gaming devices Xbox One is already doing that. Phil is a genius Xbox will thrive, more revenue for games means bigger investments and more games. I would like to point out Crackdown 3 cloud destruction. No one is doing this outside of Xbox.
Phil waited all fanboys suck his balls to the limit, to finally put in their asses.
Journalist spun the word innovate into upgrade.
They need to release a slim like yesterday, and make it more powerful like the new 3ds. They really messed up with this console badly in every Avenue.
Oh why not MS? Didnt you know, Lol..everyone is now building PCs. Why should there be another Xbox?
They probably are...
"We are more committed to our console and the future of that console than we have ever been." comitted like they are comitted with Kinect?
The original x box was awesome, 360 was where they lost me. Too many Red rings of death. Switched to PS3, played the HELL out of it with ZERO problems and never looked back.
I was a PS2 guy, never liked the original Xbox, liked the X360 though! just don't have the need for an XB1, something along 360 lines would be dope.
People are massively selling their X1's lol.
Never been an Xbox guy, but the if the option wasn't there that would be whack as hell.