TCC: As more and more Xbox exclusives gradually appear on PC, there is destined to be a lack of interest towards the console and a momentum shift towards the PC within Microsoft's own ecosystem
how? So long as there are millions who would rather game on a console, like me... how? -- xoxo
I think if you can get the same on your PC and also with Xbox controller support to boot coupled with SSDs removing the very advantage that consoles have - quick boot and no-nonsense launches plus the entire Xbox catalog, one would only go for a PS4 and a PC. The article's actual title: "Microsoft Corporation's Windows 10 Vision May Cannibalize the Xbox in the Long Run" reflects this far more bluntly.
"how? " PC gaming is growing fast.... the would be games to buy an Xbox One for are available on PC.... do the math
If games being on PC hurt console sales then nobody would have bought a PS4 or an XB1 over the holidays because all the big titles such as Black Ops 3, Battlefront, Fallout 4 etc. are all available on PC and have many advantages over the console versions. The simple fact of the matter is that much like the handheld and mobile markets, the PC market is entirely separate from the console market and games being available on PC doesn't hurt console sales at all. That's why both Microsoft & Sony are putting so many of their "exclusives" on PC as well, because they know it doesn't hurt sales and is easy money.
@crimzon. it isnt a discussion of games being on a pc hurting console sales. its games on pc hurting xbox sales. if all MS exclusive games end up on PC then there isnt a point to buy an xbox. and people will end up with a PS4/PC combo
From the article: "You might argue that any potential customers lost on Xbox will tuto Windows, which is again owned by Microsoft, so it’s a win-win situation for them. While that is true, the bigger picture is that Xbox might no longer have the kind of strong position the predecessors had in the console space." -Well why should that concern the gamer? = Xbox fans/ console lovers/ casuals who can't afford a high end pc will continue to buy Xbox consoles to play the games they can't play on ps4 or wii u. If Xbox exclusive games were going to ps4 then those hoping that Xbox hardware continues should get worried, we all know that's not gonna happen at least as far as I can tell in so Xbox brand will do fine, will it outsell future ps consoles, probably not but that should only concern fanboys....gamers don't get paid for individual hardware sales.
Ok, Microsoft said that by pre-ordering an XB1 game digitally, you get the PC game for free. I'm still trying to figure out how this will work for 3rd party because it seems like someone will be losing.
Not for me i still will prefer the Plug & Play of the console
@Goldby "it isnt a discussion of games being on a pc hurting console sales. its games on pc hurting xbox sales." They're literally the exact same thing... Or are you trying to pretend that the Xbox One is not a console?
@4Sh0w You dont need high end PC to out perform. $500 PC beats Xbox One in performance and graphics and you can do so much more than just game. PC gaming market is ~120 million units. Last 2 year sales of discrete GPU from Nvidia was over 100 million units. Meaning PC market is huge and many gamers already have capable PC. So why would they buy Xbox? They can play all those favorite games. If they want "console experience" like you said, they will get PS4 for its exclusives.
@GameNameFame You say a $500 pc is all you need, sure if you're really into pc gaming and know how to build the right rig with heavily discounted hardware maybe but as I look around I don't see most folks with a $500 dollar pc being suited to run Qauntum Break. You say pc gaming market is 120 mil strong, but what does that have to do with selling consoles, take 1 look all the big budget AAA 3rd party and console exclusives that are also launch on pc and time and time again consoles dominate its pc version sales, COD the most played game makes it bread and butter off of consoles and the list goes on, Why is that????? Furthermore track big launches of X1/pc games like Titanfall for example(plenty more) and you will see the X1 version in most cases dominates pc version sales, so pc is not threatening X1's existence because most gamers either prefer the console or just know it's the cheapest way to game with great quality for the cost= all this while knowing pc offers the best specs. "If they want "console experience" like you said, they will get PS4 for its exclusives." -lol, I didn't say that. Now if you had said ps4 + pc is a better option to play ps4, pc and *most X1 games well then a legitimate case could be made depending on preference but the FACT is If I want a console experience the only CONSOLE that will allow me to play QB and of course ALL of X1 games past, present and future games is X1. -I really don't get what's so hard to understand, there are a small segment that will opt not to buy an X1 and got with ps + pc but that leaves plenty of room for a large base of hardcore Xbox fans, console lovers and casual gamers that either will buy a ps4 + X1 or just an X1 to play well....ding, ding, ding, yep you guess it Xbox games of course.
@4show That is down right cringe worthy. Knowing just what to build? heavy discount? Lol. dude clearly you know nothing of building PC. You do realize that once MS makes Xbox non fixed hardware, it is going to get worse. Xbox will lose its cost efficiency from having fixed hardware. Meaning PC will beat cost AND performance. "X1 to play well....ding, ding, ding, yep you guess it Xbox games of course." Or get a PC... cause you can do so much with it and xbox will lose all the console benefits. Ding ding ding.
Lets stop this stupid articles. The reality is it will only hurt fanboys who have created the whole console war bullshit. Only they suffer. no one else. Console gamers will stay on console. Pc gamers will continue to stay on pc. And many will own multiple if not all. This only may affect the people that would normally get both consoles. Which is very few.
If a gamer wouldn't create a PC to game on before these announcements, I doubt they would start now. People still find consoles appealing for their ease of use and streamlined approach.
This is what I don't understand. All of a sudden people are running out and buying PC's now for Xbox One games? If they weren't running out before for an X1 why would they run out now for a PC? Not everyone games on PC, for those people, theirs Xbox. Some people game on PC and were on the fence about getting an Xbox One, MS has solved that problem by putting their games on Win10.
Stop talking sense guys.
gangsta_red + Well said.
@gangsta "This is what I don't understand. All of a sudden people are running out and buying PC's now for Xbox One games? " you might be talking sense here but a possible situation might be some thing like this; console gamers stick with consoles because games they want to play are on consoles and not coming to PC. it's not that they don't want to play on PC, but the games they want are not on it! now, with those games coming to PC as well, day and date, and with MS' push with Win10, isn't now more appealing than ever for them to just buy or build a PC to play games previously they can only play on consoles? Win10 is free and so does XBL on PC unlike on Xbone! and then there are existing alternatives already available on PC in the form of Steam. if you like EA games, all of them are on Origin, similarly priced and some times cheaper and EA access is now on PC too in the form of Origin Access. and from there onward, ones become a PC gamer! so...can't you see how this decision of MS can affect the Xbone as a console? I'm not just making this up to spice up a story. this is how my once a non-gamer friend turned into a PC enthusiast and gamer! Steam changes people!
Can we acknowledge a couple of things. No one that only games on PS4 is going to rush out and build a PC because of Quantic Dream. But also, no one that games on PC is going to buy an Xbox for that game either. Lots of games have PS4 and PC. None of them are going to get a XB if all their games are going to PC. PS4/PC combo seems to cover most of the bases now. You said it yourself. Anyone on the fence that had a PC and was thinking about Xbox will not get one because MS is sending the message theres no reason to get one. Me, I dont game on PC and Im still getting an Xbox for Quantic Dream, so its still possible to win over console only gamers. But pretending losing all their exclusives to PC and cutting out a potential demographic is not hurting Xbox the console is sticking your head in the sand. MICROSOFT will be fine. XBOX will not. This feels to me like MS already has one foot out the door. If you guys are fine with that, so be it, my Xbox will only be a machine I play games I cant get on PS4 on anyway.
@Bathyj "Me, I dont game on PC and Im still getting an Xbox for Quantic Dream..." And this is where having two options comes in play. There are many, many people who also feel this way. There are a lot of people who don't game on PC they rely on consoles. Kids and teenagers would be the target of consoles and even adults like me who hardly if ever game on PC would settle for a console. So no one is sticking their head in the sand as you put it. Many exclusives on the Xbox system has gone to PC and yet the Xbox has still sold successfully so I find it strange that all of a sudden with QB and possibly all other exclusives being released simultaneously on PC and Xbox all of a sudden Xbox loses it's appeal.
There are MILLIONS of people that don't have a gaming rig to play PC games, and the Xbox One is a cheap gaming solution to play those same games MS speaks about. Plus being able to play on your Xbox and go to PC, or vice a versa, is a plus with cross saves and whatnot. Xbox still has a place in the gaming world, and the bridging it with PC is a good thing, especially for MS who has more people to make game for now.
When Microsoft really thinks about a healthy console environment I agree.It's probably already too late as they put alot of trust in Windows10 and that delivering a closed environment to an open platform that people have been familiar with for decades. I think this is going to be really bad for them,they should rearrange the whole Xbox approach towards console exclusivity again and make sure there's something to gain from both sides.What's the point of taking their commitment towards the PC platform seriously? I see your point of a console having that low decent bang for your buck incentive,but there should be more attention to " what else " and really entice people to buy a system.With that being said,i still stand by my previous predictions that these consoles in general will stop selling at some point. I think Phil Spencer is actually betting on that,hardware evolves everywhere but a console and that makes them focus on PC a little more (among other serious reasons).
Look heres the deal: Microsoft is focusing more on software than hardware now and right now sony is kicking their ass in consoles sales and they arw pooring BILLIONS into Xbox with little profit when they could put BILLIONS into windows with a lot of profit....get the picture yet? They want windows 10 to be on every pc and they make a lot more money through selling software rather than a xbox. Now people say that people still wanna play on console. Yes that is true but WE HAVE SONY AND NINTENDO FOR THAT....thats what micraoft sees so thats why they are not to heatbroken about going away from console business because its not even profitable and they arent even doing well compared to competetiors. Thats why microaoft is getting away from console and going towards pc.......they lost the console market and not only that its a waste of money to them because they could put money into something else and make WAY more money than on xbox.... Disagree with it whatever been in denial, I told everyone more than a year ago this would happen and no one wanted to believe me but look at it now.
I think it will help Xbox most definitely. Options are king!
Just like DRM and always online helped xbox. Options are king! Oh wait!!!
Always online wasn't an option. Sooo.
You remember when Sony snuck DRM Rootkits on CD's and got a class action lawsuit? Probably the biggest DRM blunder of all time.
It may help Xbox brand. More Indie and Asia,Europe(Xbox is not selling well enough or at all) Developers might bring their games to Windows 10 store which can easily be ported to Xbox One.
Not being on PC did not help the Xbox One as well.
There's one thing people seem to be forgetting,the disadvantage of an user base with all kinds of variations in hardware.PC definitely has a lot of advantages over consoles,one significant advantage a console has is unified hardware. Ask any developer what they would prefer,i already know the answer to that. Devloping a game is the most challenging of all development if you wanna deliver the same compatibility.
Yes consoles still have aplace but right now Sony litterly has almost all of that and Nintendo wont make it any easir on Microsoft....people posting comments saying "Xbox cant go away we still need consoles" Are they stupid or do they not know that xbox is not the only console? Makes sense anyway because the ceo has always had a problem with Xbox.....why put billions into xbox with little profit (even if it sold better than ps4) when compared to windows make even more profit? I applaud micrsoft and im very impressed how the company is able to do such a smooth and suttle transition into leaving xbox.....for example sega did it horribly with the dreamcast but micraoft is maximazing the profits of this last xbox before they fully focus on the windows 10 eco system.
Just to make clear i did not disagree your comment. I rarely do that in general,if i ever did i can't really recall.
You fail to realize that console gamers that do play on the xbox may not go get a pc. Instead they'll move to PlayStation. MS loses lots of money if that happens.
the great thing about developing under the UWA is that you only need make one game for both windows and xbox one. Any version of xbox one that game is made for will fine because the xbox one is forward compatible according to Phil Spencer. This why the idea of adding hardware is amazing, boosting the power mid-gen has no negative effect on the xbox one, its community or the games.
Making an Xbox One (or w/e SKU having this) to have variations of hardware adds more problems than actually solving them.I'm not sure how you read my comment but i'm saying that having an eco-system will not change the fact there will be a lot of different configurations you have to consider and develop for.
I am not a real gamer. Only real a gamer buys from windows 10 store. lol
Key word....may. Just pure speculations and assumptions. It may just do fine.
it already has
Xbox the console will likely suffer, but Xbox the brand wont. The next system probably wont be more than a box that lends power from a local PC and cloud servers. Be hooked up to the TV to provide media support.
Nope the next console will be a machine that will continue to have a plug and play model plus ease of remove and replace for mid-gen upgrading. With strong cloud compute & streaming capability. Gonna be a nuts console under Phil
I don't think it's a good idea to allow most of your exclusives to go to PC. Would Sony have sold as many PS4s if all their exclusives went to PC? Would Nintendo have sold millions of Wiis if Mario was on PC? A lot of people were mad when Xbox 360 started losing some of it's exclusives last gen and that is why most gamers went PS4 this gen. Now that it's happening again, I think Microsoft is gonna lose even more gamers to Sony.
How would they lose more gamers to sony if they can play some xbox games on pc , its not like people who already have a pc capable of running xbox games are going to suddenly buy a ps4
I explain everything in my last podcast, everyone makes this way to complicated. It's fairly simple and will be innovative and change the game for all consoles at some point.
Can those Microsoft minions disagreeing comments actually say something?lol
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