The Division’s PVP Will Destroy Destiny’s

Morgan Lewis, Managing Editor of Gamer Professionals writes:

"The Division is quite a hot topic among gamers these days, and for good measure: it takes the best elements of so many different current-generation shooters, combines them into one, and puts its own unique twist on it. This past weekend’s beta was an astounding success with 6.4 million players exploring New York City, making it the largest beta ever on a current-generation platform. People are very excited for this game for a reason. It is a third-person-shooter/MMORPG hybrid, taking some cues from Destiny and games like Gears of War but makes them its own. It is fresh and unique, which puts it in a prime position to dethrone Destiny as the go-to game in the shooter/RPG genre. The bottom line is people have just grown tired of Destiny and even frustrated with the game."

[guywazeldatatt]

I'm really excited for this game. I had fun with the beta, and we have to remember it was still in beta. I've grown so sick and tired of destiny and The Division will be a new and fresh experience. I can't wait to see where Ubisoft takes it.

[DarkOcelet]

People have grown tired of Destiny because of its Repetitive Content.

The Division looks promising but the game looks like it will be very repetitive too after a couple of play hours just like every single Ubisoft game.

[guywazeldatatt]

it's not just because of the fact that it's repetitive. if you stop playing you simply can't go back to PVP. you have to re-learn how to play because all the tinkering with weapon rebalancing. it's ridiculous.

[Overload]

Where are you getting this from?

Like it or not, Destiny is one of the most successful games of this generation, it has an extremely active user base.

Why do you think big sites like IGN upload Destiny videos routinely since it's release?

As for the article, Destiny's and The Division's PVP modes are extremely different and not really comparable.

[guywazeldatatt]

@Overload they may be different but that's what makes it fresh and new. Destiny may be successful but people are becoming tired of it. There are some serious issues with the game right now and unless they are rectified I can see them losing a huge part of their user base for Destiny 2. Just because they are so successful and IGN uploads videos doesn't mean that The Division won't make a decent dent in activity. It may not happen right away, but the promise The Division holds is pretty exciting.

[DarkOcelet]

@Overload

" Like it or not, Destiny is one of the most successful games of this generation, it has an extremely active user base. "

So a successful game means its not a repetitive game? Most Ubisoft games are very successful and sell very well but they are repetitive.

High Sales dont mean the game is great or amazing.

[Overload]

I do think The Division will make a dent in Destiny's userbase. I think The Division will be very successful for a new IP, not unlike Destiny.

I'm just saying Destiny as of right now has a very active userbase.

[Overload]

@DarkOcelot

High sales is definitely part of a game being amazing, to the people buying it. Is it the only measure of quality? Absolutely not. But people don't buy and play millions and millions of copies of a game because they don't like it.

As for being repetive, every game to a degree is repetive and most games would love to be getting played consistently a year and a half after release like Destiny is.

Do I agree personally with Destiny's business model? No. But you can't deny the game has a huge following and those people obviously enjoy it in someway.

[Docknoss]

I've known this but here is a great post from reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/th...

You do not start the game at level 4, it starts at level 1. (You know nothing Jon Snow)

The DZ vendors in Beta were purposely given (purple) items, they will not be so easily attainable full game. These were placed in for testing purposes.

There is an "in-game loot loop system" that we haven't experienced (interested in what this entails)

To those worried the Dark Zone is the only viable way to get the Best-In-Slot gear, equivalent and better gear can also be earned through PvE activities (missions, encounters, etc.) during a community podcast it was stated, "Some of the best gear in the game you'll be able to get through crafting" (Entirely unexplored system hype)

The appearance menu will have an updated UI come release to avoid the clutter we encountered in Beta

Missions will have 3 difficulties: Normal, Hard, Challenge Mode (My speculation: If it is anything reminiscent of WoW CMs, we're in for a treat)

It was stated by a dev there was end-game (besides the DZ) they weren't able to talk about quite yet

Majority of bugs reported/experienced during both Beta's have already been fixed for full game, they are beta builds for that reason

The full game will have 3 different colorblind settings

After launch, there will be weekly maintenance, addressing bugs, fixes, balancing, house cleaning, etc.

The BoO will have a DZ Funds Vendor that allows you to convert regular funds into DZ funds (based on an exchange rate of course)

[guywazeldatatt]

@overloard sales don't make a great game. Look at the latest Star Wars Battlefront. It's so mediocre yet look at the sales. It's all about marketing and name recognition. Halo established Bungie in a big way, and it was a great game, but that doesn't mean that Destiny is good. That's fallacious logic.

[-Foxtrot]

"The Division looks promising but the game looks like it will be very repetitive too after a couple of play hours"

Let them learn...I heard people saying roughly the same thing with Destiny and people brushed those concerns away...then look what happened.

I think the Division is going to go the same way as Destiny.

Hoping the game is good is a lot different then actually being good.

[DarkOcelet]

@Foxtrot

People will never learn because they fall into their Amazing Marketing and Hype tactics.

That is what Ubisoft/Activision/EA are excellent at. Their marketing division.

[PhucSeeker]

Look at all the bitches that bitched about games's sale. Because you lots think the game is mediocre, others should think like that as well, right ?

"Hey, people's enjoying the games i don't like. Hah, it's all marketing BS. They ALL think they enjoying the games when i know for a fact these lots don't really enjoy the games".

[Overload]

Battlefront is not mediocre.

Should it have launched with more big maps? Absolutely.

It is one of the best looking, best performing and best sounding games around. It has little to no server issues, free content and is completely authentic to the Star Wars universe.

It deserves every sale it got.

[Wallstreet37]

I agree which is why i cancelled my preorder after the beta. Idk i just cant get why ppl are so enamored of this game. I mean it was ok but after two hours i just got bored and saw its repetitive nature and same looking enemies.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean based on its genre.....probably but that can be said about like 90% of games.

ie Racing games get repetitive, all you do is race lol

I'm expecting to be searching, looting and killing folks.....repeat. I'm fine with that.

What struck me about The Division was its world, the NPC's speaking, how they act ,animations, being able to give them water, food etc.

The world they crafted supports the narrative sooooooooooooo well! I don't for a second doubt what is happening unlike Destiny where they basically tell you some narration and expect you to just deal with such a bland, dead world. The design of the world is just awful. So while doing missions on earth, apparently no humans exist folks, no food about, no wild animals...

Really folks? lolz

The Division nails it within mere minutes of first playing it. Though I'll be playing a bit after launch, its still a game on my radar to put some hours in.

I don't see me going some full 100 hours in it, but I do see me getting my money's worth, which 20 or so hours is fine with me.

[Pongwater]

"Let them learn...I heard people saying roughly the same thing with Destiny and people brushed those concerns away...then look what happened."

Lots of people still playing a year and a half later, something not many games can claim. Still one of the most streamed games a year and a half later, something not many games can claim.

Let them learn indeed. Take your own advice. smh

[DarkOcelet]

@ _-EDMIX-_

I would be fine with Repetitive games if there was enough gameplay mechanics to keep me hooked, we will see in the final version.

[Docknoss]

I had a better time in both betas than I ever did with the full destiny game.

[TwoForce]

I had admitted that the Loot system in Division is much faster to find. What i mean faster to find meaning you can find rare and legendary weapons are much faster this time. It kinda mix Diablo 3 loot system. I had fun with The Division, but i need to see more.

[Taero]

I would be surprised if that drop rate hadn't been altered for the beta to get as many varied weapons etc. out there as possible and show the kind of things you can look forward to as opposed to it being the regular rate.

[n1kki6]

Do I have permission to like both games?

[Pongwater]

I like both games but I do find Division's PvP to be much more interesting than Destiny's. They're different enough that I don't think one can destroy the other though.

[TheOldSuitedMan]

I hate Destiny's PvP. I'm really excited for the type of PvP The Division is making. I think Ubisoft has some serious potential with this title.

[kneon]

After the alpha and beta I never touched the PvP again in Destiny. It was too unbalanced and laggy for me to bother.

[Laguna_Levine]

Was PvP supposed to be a strong point for Destiny? I never felt like it was a main focus on their advertising. I felt more like it was supposed to be WoW in space, and WoW is mostly known for it's raid scene.

[TheOldSuitedMan]

PvE was supposed to be the main focus, but the plan changed. The developers, Bungie, ended up making barely any PvE endgame content and soon dedicated all their time to developing their PvP. It was a very poor move on their part and they lost a lot of long time supporters.

[SUCKxITxEZ]

Ya the 40 man raids not lil 6 player co-op bs.

[BEASELY]

It's the best PVP this generation as far as I'm concerned.

[GamerProfessionals]

Still going to pass on this. This entire generation just disappoints me, personally.

[guywazeldatatt]

There are so many good games coming out this year; this generation may be a late bloomer, but, the best is yet to come. I'm really excited about this year.

[UltraNova]

Yeap this gen is definitely a late bloomer,

Dark Souls 3, U4, Quantum Break, FFXV, The last Guardian, Horizon Zero Dawn and many more great(mostly single player) games are coming out in the near future.

Excited is the word, not disappointed(well maybe so far with notable exceptions being Bloodborne and The Witcher 3).

[Goldby]

@ultranova

dont forget Hellblade

[SUCKxITxEZ]

I mostly just play all my old favorite multiplatform games on my new gaming pc now. I only have an Xbox1 to play with my poor and/or stupid friends. We bitch about stupid network issues and controller syncing issues everynight.

[WellyUK]

Agreed my ps4 hasn't been used half as much as my 360 was.

[mayberry]

This gen had me at Killzone SF! Great game and severely underrated ! IMHO

[BigMaverick]

From what I have seen of The Divisons PvP it looks really interesting and different. It is still just a PvP in the end.

[frostypants]

The game is clearly PvE-centric. It just handles PvP rather well.

[NorthernFrost]

I think The Division will take a significant chunk of the audience away from Destiny, but only for a short time. I find the mechanics of Destiny to be far more intuitive and long-lasting. Look at Bungie's past work in Halo: CE which still plays great 15 years later.

We know that Bungie isn't going to be bailing on Destiny any time soon, especially with the initial "10-year plan" still in place as well as a full sequel in the works. The Taken King was a huge success, though they have left the game too dormant for too many months. The community is outspoken about this and so far Bungie has learned from their mistakes. I anticipate more regular big updates to Destiny for the future.

The Destiny community is loyal because they love playing the game and they have faith that it will continue to evolve and improve. This alone makes me think that Destiny will outlast The Division.

As for the PVP aspect, The Division certainly has the upper hand at the moment with the Dark Zone. It's a PVP mode with a lot of depth and strategy, though we haven't seen it in full effect yet. And what is to stop Bungie from implementing a similar type of PVP zone in Destiny? It would certainly be a good way to compete with its biggest rival.

[guywazeldatatt]

i think right now with some of the technical issues and frustration i know from destiny players (almost all my friends on psn are on destiny and every time we play PVP it's cussing galore out of frustration). people are looking for something new and if the division can build on what they already have, it could be enormous.

[TheOldSuitedMan]

I love both games right now. Destiny is old, but still really fun to play with pals. The Division is about the same. I guess we'll just have to see which one outlives the other. It'll probably be Destiny, but The Division has a shot.

[Jmanzare]

I don't think the division is going to have the same post launch support as destiny. Right now it's been a little barren when it comes to updates but we know we have 1 free pve update and one paid dlc coming in the fall most likely. We also know we're getting destiny 2. If you look at ubisofts track record for post launch support we're looking at one maybe two story based dlc and pvp stuff and that's probably it.

[sullynathan]

Halo CE definitely aged far worse than any major Halo I have played excluding the 343 ones.

The level design is incredibly linear at times and the interior design is banal with repeated looking environments. Plus the gunplay is not even that good.

[sullynathan]

here we go again with the Division-Destiny battle that these sites keep pushing.

[Gwiz]

Agreed,to me Destiny is a better game because of its main theme.
This just felt like another generic Ubisoft game jumping onto a trend.
Hey,I know Destiny seems to be that Sci-fi equivalent of Halo but lucky for me I stopped playing the series after Halo 2.

[Jmanzare]

Next year will be destiny 2 vs ghost recon

[Omeganex9999]

I played a lot of Destiny and I'm buying The Division day one, but the 2 games are nothing alike lol

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Gwiz- " Ubisoft game jumping onto a trend" ???

The Division was in development during Destiny's development too bud.

Neither are the first MMOs to ever release. The games are actually nothing alike aside from being MMORPGs.

[ironmonkey]

someone is hyping this to the max not even know its fate. lets see when 4 or 5 months have past and we can look back and see if this game has legs.

[Knuckle Duster]

The people that praise the division now will be trashing it in four months because of lack of content repetitive play blah blah blah blah watch and wait

[Pongwater]

People that bashed Destiny a year ago are still doing it even though the game was and still is a success. People that are bashing Division now will still be doing it in a year no matter how successful it is. Blah blah blah watch and wait.

[imahustla19]

the division looks great but the PVP experience are so different i don't even see how he can compare them. competitive multiplayer and co-op multiplayer are on 2 opposite side of the spectrum. the Divisions PVP is fun but so is trials of osiris and their not at all similar so to say the division is going destroy destiny in PVP is a long stretch.

[DafunkyRebel]

division won't last as long as Destiny judging by the beta I've played. No complex fun and rewarding coop raids like Destiny, no fun MP competitive mode like Destiny, no unique exotic loot like Destiny, no vast amazing lore like Destiny. It's gonna FAIL or at least be fun for about three months until all the guns all look the same and the dark zone is just about looting the same blues and purples you already have before.

[SourtreeDing]

i have to agree with this...

i played the beta for the divsion and i actually found it kind of dull after a while.. i know its not the final game..

but in the DZ all you do is look for loot, kill other players for loot.. and extract your loot.... honestly how is this game gonna survive 2 weeks without getting boring??

i need some raids, strikes and so on...

[Oschino1907]

So you agree with the persons comment even though it has false statements and misinformation?

I wonder if you even did everything in the beta outside of the DZ. Also in the DZ if that's all you did well that's your own fault. Don't blame the game because you're lame.

The very limited DZ in the beta had me occupied for hours outside of pure looting. I still earned loot but it wasn't what I was playing for because I was maxed out.

[Oschino1907]

So you're saying a beta with lots of content and features locked and much of it still secret doesn't have as much content as a game that's been out 1 1/2 years with 2 dlcs and an expansion?

I don't even believe you played the beta much if at all let alone actually understood what was going on and did/found everything to do. Like many you either are blaming the game for your lack of understanding or just straight trolling because it's not catering to you on a personal level.

Your agenda is showing...

[frostypants]

So you are judging the game as if the beta was representative of the full release?

You see the issue here, yes? The purpose of a beta is stress testing and making sure the general mechanics are working. A beta is not a demo or a representation of what the full game content will be like.

[objdadon]

Lmao! Destiny actually has competitive pvp gaming modes, the division doesn't. Just the trollzone, my fault, the darkzone. Which is garbage.

[bananaboats]

why was it garbage? did people keep killing you and taking your goodies?

[frostypants]

"The game is too hard and requires too much careful strategy and thus I hate it", basically. People who got ganked in the extract zones were reckless. It was SO easy to see when rogues were in the area, and react/retreat accordingly.

It's like some people hate suspense. They want everything to be easy. They want the DZ to be this easy treasure trove they can raid at their leisure. These people miss the point. I loved being solo in the DZ and the challenge of surviving in there, and losing loot is the entire motivation for what makes it thrilling.

What's hilarious to me is the DZ is purely optional. If they lacked the requisite skill to survive, they could just not go into it.

[objdadon]

Whole teams vs a solo player, lol, how skillful.

[frostypants]

@objdadon, so you enter an area explicitly flagged as a dangerous PvP zone that allows teams, go solo, then complain that you got killed. That's the game's fault? Obviously that will increase the risk. You still have to suck pretty bad and/or be impatient to let them kill you regularly, though. I ran solo roughly half my time in the DZ and had few problems.

"Git gud"

[no_ripley]

Destiny's PVP is a hundred times more fun. I quit Destiny 3 months ago after 2600+ hours but i would never say such utter BS

[Brohan]

Destinys pvp is just boring and old. I can't stand the game and once taken king came out I sold it quick. I have no desire of ever playing Destiny unless Destiny 2 blows it out of the water. To me The Division is way newer and the whole open world MMORPG feel with PVP and PVE blended in so well that it truly feels like a MMO. I never got that MMO feeling in Destiny and way to many loading screens to even call it a proper MMORPG. I guess it's only cause I feel a MMO should feel like it's all connected together so it simultaneously flows and feels like a whole.

[holdmyown83]

Smh

[spoonard]

Probably not...unless they fix the part where you have to shoot someone 50 times before they die lots of people are going to not play the game.

I get that it's an action RPG...but what does that have to to do with the amount of times you shoot someone before they die?

[Goldby]

becuase if you were able to headshot every enemy with one bullet, how would they show progression? how you they show that you are getting stronger, and that your weapons are doing more damage.

as for the 50 shots. that was a very weak weapon. it takes max 10-15 shots that aren't well placed to take down someone. less than 5 with the right gun and all headshots. M44 yeah boi!

[Tumaras]

Not really convinced on The Division yet even after playing in both betas and trying it on both console and PC. There are some big open questions still with it.

#1 the amount of content outside of the DZ, since players won't always want to be in the DZ. With the base itself only having 3 wings it looks like it won't take long to fully unlock. If it's less than ~15 hours of sp gameplay and then you have to head to the DZ, gamers will tire of it quickly.

#2 the DZ was a little iffy too. Single players will get ganged up on, and there wasn't that much content in the dz to keep people interested for a long time. Plus on console on PS4, mp interaction has always been a bit clunky. So many PS4 players don't even use mics in any game. And on PC, aimbot/wallhacks are well developed and rife already.

[BEASELY]

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!

Good one.

[Next_gen_2015]

The division beta already has more variation than destiny.

1) hostage rescues
2) main missions
3) side missions
4) Random street events
5) Darkzone

Theres alot here to do..unlike destiny.