Developer “Guarantees” that “Nintendo NX Won’t Have Third-Party Support”

CRAVE: "The Ori and the Blind Forest dev claims they "talked to Nintendo and got absolutely nothing."

[Neonridr]

keeping away from "some third party developers". I think the key here is that Nintendo is going to be focused on the larger studios first and the kits will filter down from there.

Kinda need to make sure all the big guns are on board before the little guys, no?

Let me know when Ubisoft, EA, etc are all saying the same thing.

[Apollosupreme]

Where is your evidence of any of what you just said?

[Darkfist]

just fanboy talk, the fact that he thinks that those big studios just simply gona make games on a console that hardly their games sell unless its a launch game(zombi u)

[Neonridr]

@Apollosupreme - well I took the quote from the article itself.

and the second part was in reference to the fact that just because some random independent developer is having trouble getting a dev kit or getting more information doesn't mean that major studios are having issues acquiring dev kits. I will believe more to this story when I see a larger studio make the same comment.

Don't see how anything I said isn't completely sane or relevant.

@Darkfist - If the machine is capable enough (on par power wise to the XB1 or PS4) then a studio can spend a relatively small amount of money to port it over.

If a developer actually takes the time to ensure it works or include all the same content, you would be surprised at how well it can actually sell.

Developers for the Wii U shot themselves in the foot by removing content or neglecting DLC. Of course nobody is going to buy it then.

[kaizokuspy]

Most people who own a wii u or will own an NX will already own a ps4 or xbox one, why would the devs spend money porting then?

[dcbronco]

I think this devs getting a little ahead of himself. He needs to calm down. There were articles a month or two ago saying Nintendo had started shipping dev kits to third parties. You're not one because Nintendo is trying to keep their design a secret.

Here's why he needs to be patient. With the advancements in architecture and power efficiency Nintendo should be able to get a huge leap in power over the current generation.

With the move to 14nm Nintendo will get that power cheap. Microsoft and Sony are locked to three years old specs, if not they could drastically improve their power also. NX should be a 4-6 tflop console just because Nintendo could do that for $300.

NX is also probably based on x86. Which means it will be easy to port to. An APU based on GCN with an AMD CPU means it's the same thing as the other two. So whatever you're working on for them will port over maxed out because there is power to spare. You won't be developing from scratch.

Until you decide to take advantage of the extra power and do something special for Nintendo. But I bet Nintendo has enough in-house and third party right now to carry them through the first 18 months.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Wow, that was October when they started sending those out.

[deathtok]

@kaizokuspy

You don't know what "most people" own.

-Guy who owns a Wii U but not a PS4 or Xbox One

[Apollosupreme]

@Neonridr you're completely speculating. There is no more to support what you say than there is to prove that Jedi Knights are real. Cool idea bro.

[sonarus]

I dont really see this as a problem. In my opinion the best Nintendo games are BY FAR the first party stuff. I havent owned a Nintendo in a while but if i did i would want to buy Mario, mario cart, smash bros, donkey kong, zelda etc. Not call of duty or any of that other ubisoft stuff.

[Cindy-rella]

So Nintendo is being Nintendo by doing what they normally do. Only an idiot would believe things would be different now after theyve been doing the same things for like 20 years. Theyve been practicing bad behaviours for years when it comes to third party devs.

[frankiebeans]

@kaizokuspy you hit it on the head.

[thricetold]

@deathlok

You are in the minority. He said most, which considering how many X1's and ps4's are already out and will be out by the time this arrives is pretty good estimate.

[Nintentional]

Jesus, some of the people on N4G here don't READ. Neonridr NEVER said he was stating fact, he said he "THINKS," meaning it's just his opinion! Why are you asking him for evidence and why do you have 29 agrees on your comment? Lol smh

[Mr Pumblechook]

More likely Nintendo will not want to give their NX Dec kits (and spec secrets) to an indie developer who is especially close to Microsoft, who is one of their competitors!

[alti]

do you not know the meaning behind "I think" ?

[DarXyde]

Considering games generally sold better on Xbox 360 and now PlayStation 4, why is it unheard of to consider Nintendo having great third party support? I think Square is on board, at least it seems as much.

If Nintendo simplifies their architecture, moving away from PowerPC and to x86, there's very little reason to NOT make it happen.

Add to the fact Nintendo is going all digital for NX, and you have a pretty appealing offer to developers and publishers who control the price market.

[freshslicepizza]

typical nintendo, keeping thirst patty in the dark as long as possible. there hasn't been any leaks from anyone about the dev kits which tells me nobody has really started making games on it or if they have it's not been very long except of course nintendo who always wants to have their games outshine everyone else. even if that means not sharing any technical support or offering dev tools early on.

that's ok, nintendo knows they can sell millions just based on their own games.

[rainslacker]

@moldy

"there hasn't been any leaks from anyone about the dev kits"

Maybe because it's typically the smaller devs, like the one who made Ori and the Blind forest, who are more leak prone, whereas bigger publishers keep their mouth shut and don't go running to the press at every oppurtunity to promote their own wares, and screw up sensitive information from the 1st party vendors.

It's not atypical at all for smaller publishers and lesser known devs to not get any response or dev kits before information that Nintendo wants announced is announced, but it's silly to assume companies like EA and Ubi don't already have at least some information on the system.

Even if they aren't too keen on Nintendo to release a new system, they will capitalize on the launch hype, just like they did with the WiiU.

Think of it this way. At the reveals of X1/PS4/WiiU, what small pubs/devs were showing off their games at the reveal and shortly afterwards? None. EA, Activision, and Ubisoft were the only 3rd party entrants showing off any games. But after the reveal, the floodgates opened for more dev kits to go out, and games got made(or ported) for the new consoles.

[never4get]

"I want the goddamn devkits or at least proper hardware specs ideally 2 years before release"

2 years for a game like Unravel? How lazy are they? Even Nintendo probably thinks that's too long. Nintendo maybe confidence that their console is so easy, it can cuts down developments time in half. Shorter Dev Time = More competitive.

[Arguments]

Now everyone have a Bachelor in Business Administration.
Is funny how they discuss about something they dont even know what it is. Including that "developer" I can not take him serious, using words like (waaay) and (duh) he sound so unprofessional.

[abstractel]

Hmm, not sure why the disagrees are all swaying towards thinking that NX will have no 3rd party support because of this article. Nintendo might be thinking that it's too soon to send out dev kits to smaller devs. If Nintendo has learned anything from Wii U, it must be that they need 3rd party support and create a console that is at least on level with current gen.

Or so one would hope.

[abstractel]

Did people even read the neogaf post this is referring to? He even says:

"And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time. It's not even that the hardware isn't finished (duh), but you could at least give me the goddamn specs, so we'd know what to build shit for!"

[Apollosupreme]

Nintentional, we can read. Can you interpret? What he was saying and how he was saying it was as though it is a matter of fact. Fact and opinion aren't the same. It clearly his opinion that Nintendo is fine, it's his unproven theory that they're doing x, y and z.

He doesn't know what they're doing, he has no proof to support what he claims they are doing.

He's building a make believe stance to oppose some random no name devs opinion that's not worth the time of day to begin with.

What I did was call out a fanboy stance. Only a fanboy would make stuff up to defend against something that's not worth defending. Got it now?

[Tei777]

"t's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time"

This speaks volumes. The most likely scenario is that this is an indie perspective (an indie Nintendo have no relationship with). Many major studios had recieved Wii U and PS4 dev kits over a year in advance so his statement doesn't fit.

[Eonjay]

Good point about the large studios first.
If you remember correctly, an article just went up saying that EA is meeting with Nintendo to discuss plans so the statement of no support is obviously taken out of context.

Welcome to the internet.

Edit: to Mahler (Moon Studios): how do you know that the NX is releasing in 2016 anyway? If it releases in 2017, Nintendo has plenty of time to get the devkits out and for 3rd parties to get up and running. Obviously, this means that year one will include lots of ports... but that is still support.

[Phunkydiabetic1]

Lets break it down for you.....

N64---Lacked third party support because Nintendo decided to stick with cartridges while the industry moved onto cd's.

Gamecube---Lacked third party support because Nintendo decided to use mini discs.

Wii---Lacked third party support because Nintendo used a vastly underpowered console with a control scheme that needs no further explanation.

WiiU---Lacked third party support because Nintendo once again is using a vastly underpowered console.

This shunning by third party devs has been happening since THE 90s. From what little we know of the NX Nintendo is set to repeat the same bullshit that has driven away third parties in the past.

[Darkfist]

didnt help Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition, they gave batman armor that wasn't in the other ver, so thats something.

[Timesplitter14]

Who even plays Ubi/EA games anymore?

[garrettbobbyferguson]

Apparently lots of people as a stupid amount of people purchased Battlefront on consoles and 6.3 million people played the Division beta. Not to mention Assassins Creed which keeps selling every year, among titles like battlefield.

[ScorpiusX]

6.4 million people played a Ubisoft beta so am going with alot of people do .

[kaizokuspy]

I still play bf4 on ps4 as well as monopoly on occasion, and the division 6 million beta players I guess are feeling the love.

[2pacalypsenow]

Me

[killer876]

not you

[Hoffmann]

Basically the majority of gamers that have not only a wiiU at home.

[InTheZoneAC]

wow troll

madden, because I'm a huge fan of the NFL
far cry
assassin's creed
ghost recon
the division
need for speed...when it was good 4+ years ago
dragon age
mass effect
the crew wild run
burnout
star wars battlefront
battlefield 4
dead space, if they ever make another
splinter cell
rayman

how do you not have just 1 bubble?

[GordonKnight]

Once they drop to $20 is when I purchase Ubi/EA games that interest me.

[Germany7]

Are you serious? Just check the number sales for games like Madden, Fifa, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Battlefield, Battlefront, Bioware games.

LOL, this guy.

[dcbronco]

Yeah, people are too busy playing FIFA.

[Plasmids]

Oh come on now behave.

[madjedi]

Maybe people that actually enjoy some of the various games they release.

Pretentious ass.

[Get_A_Job_Foxtrot]

Let the excuses from blind Nintendo fanboys begin!

[LOL_WUT]

Once again Nintendo prematurely setting up a system to fail. Haven't they learned anything? ;)

[Ark_]

I just quote the Dev himself:
"And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time."

He is generally complaining about the practice and just takes Nintendo and their NX as an example. I understand both sides ...

[mhunterjr]

Why not just get everyone on board? Worked wonders for the PS4

[Ck1x]

There are games that were shown or announced at the PS4 reveal that still aren't out yet. Nintendo can't sell a system on hype alone like Sony and get away with it. Every game within the PS4's first 2 years Playstation fans were acting as if they were must have titles.

Nintendo needs straight forward hardware with no nonsense of trying to sell people on supercharged PC b.s. aka Sony. Then try to justify why games aren't running at 1080p 60fps or 1080p period.

The reveal of the NX also has to have impressive software to showcase to the public. Many early WiiU titles were scrutinized on whether they actually looked better than PS3&360 games. The NX needs to out of the gate have games that look and play better than PS4 or XbOne titles.

[XanderZane]

Are they? Are the BIG GUNS on board? Where is the proof?

[extermin8or]

The big guns are always on-board for about a year or two for most Nintendo consoles however as time progresses you find they release fewer and fewer games then they drop support. It's been a similar situation for all the Nintendo home consoles in my living memory. Bar the wii which continues ti get shovelware.

[Neonridr]

where is the proof they aren't Xander?

Think about it.

[XanderZane]

@Neonridr
Well they weren't on board with the Wii U. So we would like to see proof that 3rd party support are on board with this new NX console. Haven't seen or heard anything yet. The system is suppose to launch this year. Guess we'll have to wait until the E3 to know for sure.

[3-4-5]

"This is actually THE singlest most annoying thing for every dev out there. We also talked to Nintendo and got absolutely nothing - I'll never understand that. And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time. It's not even that the hardware isn't finished (duh), but you could at least give me the goddamn specs, so we'd know what to build shit for!

What's needed to sell hardware is goddamn good software. With Nintendo not having any devkits out there at this point and probably even wanting to sell it in 2016, I can already guarantee that they'll just not have any software support, since nobody can just jumble games together in less than a year. I mean, you can, but it'll be garbage.

The same is true for Engine Support - Get Unity and Epic to support these consoles WAAAAY ahead of release. By the time the console launches, it should be EASY for developers to develop games for these systems, things shouldn't just only start at this point.
I want the goddamn devkits or at least proper hardware specs ideally 2 years before release - Keep all the developers updated, start a forum where devs can chat and figure out all the problems everyone's having, instead of everyone just having to deal with it. None of that's happening anywhere and it's just braindamaged. "

* First of all, this sounds like a 15 year old is made and can't have their way.....doesn't sound like a professional.

* Says Dev kits aren't out......Nintendo sent many out in 2015.

* Complains that Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo won't give him information and specs, so THEY must all be in the wrong.

What dummy. Doesn't he realize they aren't giving him specs because people like him love to gossip and will spoil and leak all the information which diminishes the appeal of each new consoles reveal.

What a whiney baby.

He is mad because none of the big three will bow down to him, and give him what he wants.

[Sirk7x]

Exactly the thought I had. Maybe they haven't given him a devkit, because they don't want him making a game on it lol.

[Christopher]

He's asking for specs on machines that aren't finalized. What did he expect? No hardware manufacturer is going to reveal that information until they have it set in stone themselves.

I don't see how this is at all different and I don't see why XBO or PS4 would want to reveal plans going forward when they don't want developers thinking about games 4 years from now and instead tomorrow.

[rainslacker]

That's not entirely true. For companies that make their own engines, target specs will be given, and even specific information for them to make their engines. That's why bigger publishers, and places like Epic or Unity, can get this information in advance. The devs using these engines, probably not so much, because it is rather pointless to target a spec that isn't set.

Plus, smaller devs like to run their mouths a lot, and the more people in on the game, the more likely information is to leak. But at the bigger companies, the devs likely to have access to such things aren't the ones that get a lot of press interviews, and they are smart enough not to risk losing their jobs by leaking sensitive information which could be harmful to the 1st party vendors, and their own company.

It's pretty apparent the difference in candor between a dev who works for a publisher, and an indie dev. Outside the boisterous and outspoken high profile devs, it's the indies which seem to make the most fuss and comment on things they probably aren't supposed to. Looking at Gamingbolt articles is enough to back up this belief.

I remember back before the PS4 and X1 reveals, despite knowing they were coming, and even knowing that the early dev kits were being shipped or in place, the company I worked for had a hard time getting any information directly from any of the console makers. They sent us courtesy replies to say they would inform us when more information was ready to be released...and this company was an official developer for all three of the consoles, and fairly high profile developer, although more mid-tier than AAA...but well respected all around.

[Christopher]

***That's not entirely true. For companies that make their own engines, target specs will be given, and even specific information for them to make their engines.***

Not 4 years in advance, they won't... Do people think next-gen machines are only 2 years out?

[rainslacker]

Four years..no, no one would get anything, because it would be pointless, and engine makers have enough to do. However, 12-18 months is not abnormal. I was talking more about the NX, which is speculated to at least be revealed in full this year. Around conference season we'll probably see a dedicated event, a month or two before E3, which is when dev kits, and updated engines, will likely go out to official devs.

[_-EDMIX-_]

What on earth do you mean little guys? This is exactly what made their systems fail in the first place they cannot keep creating systems in secret only for their teams and then everybody else is forced to have to go through them to figure out what the heck they're creating.

if they want to have a successful platform it must have the community support overall and understanding how it works but the reality is you shouldn't even be having to teach these teams how to use your hardware your hardware should be able to be used by most teams look at how Sony and Microsoft are developing their Platforms to be made with ease.

If this is true I'm calling right now. NX might be there last platform they create before going third party they cannot keep competing directly against third party and expecting to win.

At least coming off the wii they had a somewhat huge install base now with wii u they barely have that. NX very much could be there last Platforms they create

[Christopher]

Within reason, though. I mean, he's complaining that Sony and MS aren't telling him the specs of their next consoles now... that's just unreasonable at this time.

As far as NX... Nintendo will have something simple enough. I kind of guarantee they will fall into the same issues on their next platform as they have now.

[UltraNova]

@Chris

"I kind of guarantee they will fall into the same issues on their next platform as they have now."

Yeah they most probably will, since they are so stubborn and behind times.

If they end up selling 15 million units within 3+ years, again, they might reconsider their attitude because that's when they'll realize they are quickly burning through the OG Wii's money cache.

[Neonridr]

Didn't people say the Wii was the last console? Then the Wii U? Now the NX?

Gotta focus on the big fish first. Assuming Nintendo only had so many dev kits to go around who do you think is going to have priority? The developer of Unravel? Or Electronic Arts, or Activision, or Ubisoft?

Think about it EDMIX. I am not saying that indie support is not important, the Wii U actually has quite a bit of indie support. Seems like the only studios that are supporting the console aside from Nintendo themselves are indies. But they gotta focus on having the heavy hitters on the console before the smaller titles.

Do you think more people would care that GTA VI is on the NX or Ori and the Blind Forest?

[Persistantthug]

Nintendo is in a world of trouble.

[Phunkydiabetic1]

They have been for a long time now. These clowns here just cant realize it. I guess they are happy playing the same Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart/whatever played out Nintendo franchise over and over and over and over and over.

[showtimefolks]

it's been decades since nintendo home consoles had great or even equal support from 3rd party publishers. nintendo fans buy their consoles to play exclusives

that is a fact

3rd party publishers see no reason to jump in now when they can make more money on ps4,xbox one and pc.

nintendo is so out of touch that i don' expect them or their fans to understand how gaming business works and how to be successful

nintendo is about to launch another failure when it comes to home consoles.

believe me i am not bitter or happy that they are or will fail. but it's so annoying when a multi billion dollar company just doesn't even try

if i was running nintendo i would get 3rd party publishers on board and ask their studios what kind of tech our console should have

[Yetter]

yeah just like the wii U....oh wait

[Arguments]

Now everyone have a Bachelor in Business Administration.
Is funny how they discuss about something they dont even know what it is. Including that "developer" I can not take him serious. Using words like (waaay) and (duh) sounds so unprofessional.

[sephiroth420]

thats shit for NX owners, what if they want to get a game thats multiplatform but not on the NX and then have to get another console or PC to play that game, bad move by Nintendo.

[Idiedgoodbye]

Well the vulture's will be ready to pick Nintendo's carcass once it's near death. The problem is that the cost of it's consumption will be a high cash cost. /s. I don't think anyone can handle buying Nintendo it'd have to be fractured and bought in chunks.

[UltraNova]

No a buy out will never happen.

They can exit the console business altogether and turn to handhelds and mobile only. Considering the mobile craze we are witnessing, they will end up making more money that way for sure.

I would go on to say the could make their games available on xbox and PS but its Nintendo we are talking about here, they'd go bankrupt before they work with 'enemy'.

[Picnic]

You sound such a corporate sucker up that you must be tiny in really life, like the Wizard of Oz pulling his levers.

[ruefrak]

Exactly. This guy is bitter because HE doesn't have a devkit. Nintendo wants to keep the details of the NX a surprise and so it's only fitting that they wouldn't give a devkit to a smaller dev who likes to go and make all his frustrations known on Neogaf.

I know that if I had information that I didn't want to get leaked out, this guy is the last person I would give it to.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah they want the big players not some average game, Ori looks ok but it's no console seller and it's definitely not up to Nintendo's high standards game wise.

[joab777]

This is NO good b/c this has been Nintendo biggest flaw, lack of 3rd party support. Otherwise theu should ditch hardware and just make games.

Terrible start for the NX.

[skratchy]

Pretty sure most people think Ubisoft and EA mostly make dude bro garbage games.

[AizenSosuke]

Developer "guarantees" let's see!?

[RosweeSon]

Yeah good/great developers will always support great consoles/manufactures I hope everything works out for everyone I'm always happy with my Nintendo consoles well especially the games but would love them to smash it on this NeXt console.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

They can't afford to make the same mistake

[Segata]

They literally can. They have enough money to have 5 more Wii U like generations.

[Kaneki-Ken]

They survive this generation because of the 3ds and Amibo, they could afford it another WiiU like generation but the majority gamers will be with PlayStation and Xbox since they have both have strong First and Third Party support so I don't want Nx be underated because of lack third party support.

[Segata]

They have billions in cash. Wii U makes profit. They also run a Major League Baseball Team.
They can take losses for 36 years before they need to worry. So They can make another console that sells like Wii U and be fine as long as it made profit. http://wiiudaily.com/2014/0...

The article proves they really have no worries even IF they were taking losses could still go til 2075

[Griever]

Man enough of that ancient lie. That article is from from 2014 which means the figures are from 2013 so its really old. Secondly, that is just BS spread by Nintendo fanboys a few years back as a damage control for Wii U's failure. I wish I got a dime for everytime a Nintendo fanboy used that.

They only have $2.81 billion in bank as of 2015. They may have had $10 billion during the heydays of the Wii but they have burnt through it all in less than a decade if they really had that much money. They had 3.4 billion in 2014 but they lost another $600 million cash in just one year. Here is teh latest financial statement,

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/...

Check at the bottom of page 13. It says in second column "cash and cash equivalents --- 281,539 million Yen." Convert it into dollars and its only $2.81 billion. The 2014 cash is next to it at $3.4 billion and one can see that they have lost $600 million cash in one year.

That is all the money they have left and they are not going to last until 2075 with just that much at the rate they are losing cash annually.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Nintendo actually can't afford another failed platform as the numbers are decreasing every generation for them the wii u numbers are lower than wii and 3DS's numbers are lower than the DS so it's very clear their installed base is shrinking every generation by a very very extreme substantial amount.

We cannot afford to keep messing up and losing their install basis as there's no telling if many of those gamers will actually return, you keep making it sound as if well they could keep doing it and then find some spark in 100 mil will be right back that actually doesn't work that way many of those consumers which of might of moved on to other Platforms might remain on those other Platforms meaning that even if Nintendo creates a platform that is their best platform how many will really know that when they're already owning something else?

That's the thing with a lost consumer once they've moved on they actually could care less about whether or not Nintendo has got their act together by then it may too be late. I do believe that Nintendo can not afford another failed platform as what many don't understand it cost these companies billions to develop those platforms in Mass so the failing of one hurts the company more than many actually really comprehend.

I believe if this platform fails it would be their best bet to save their money and go third party and become exclusively a software company as I do not believe there forte is hardware as they seem to continue to have trouble with it and fail.

[RosweeSon]

3DS. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon!! Oh and the Amiibo's think Nintendo will be fine they do actually make money they wouldn't have survived for over 125 years others sure not all in the video games market but they've been here since day one and made it what it is today or at least helped shape the controllers and give us some of the most amazing gaming experiences around. Look at the attach rate, says it all fantastic games.

[meche334]

Nintendo is worth 18.4 billion or something like that. I think they can

[Hoffmann]

Nintendo..as usual.

I really hope the NX will be their last hardware and they find ways to create great games for the other platforms.

Nintendo needs to shrink and focus on software to grow again in the long run. Less and less people are buying their hardware, less and less games are made for their consoles.

[-Foxtrot]

If that was to happen they could still produce games for the handheld while making bigger, console games on other consoles.

If they have a good idea to sell their own handheld then they could keep it for that platform.

I wouldn't want this to happen but it could work. I just don't want it to happen because Nintendo are being f****** stupid with the choices they have made and are making in these recent years.

[Hoffmann]

Handheld wise they did and do a great job in general, but look at their software catalogues of their past handhelds and the DS and the 3DS. Its not half as bas as with the TV consoles, but the third party support is shrinking there as well.

And you and me we know that not everyone wants to buy a 2-500 dollars expensive hardware just to play Nintendo games. The hardcore Nintendo fans would do that maybe, but is this piece of the cake enough for Nintendo to produce as many great games as in the past?

I mean, you can alsready see a small decline of the quality of their products today already. I can't remember another year where their titles got so many 6 or 7's as in 2015.

[LOL_WUT]

@Hoffman Well said!

I believe better opportunities could be made elsewhere in regards to Nintendo where hardware isn't the focus but rather software ;)

[Hoffmann]

Yeah. Its always amazinh how fast fans of Nintendo are there to say that it wouldnt be good for Nintendo, but sometimes a company is too blown up already and just has to shrink a bit to become more "healthy" in the long run.

I believe that its not good for Nintendo and also not for the fans of their games if Big N continues as they did in the last years

[garrettbobbyferguson]

No, you don't believe better opportunities can be made elsewhere. You just typically troll nintendo articles.

[Hoffmann]

@garrettbobbyferguson
Fanboylogic 1x1. If people don't share my opinions, they are trolls.

[PizzaSteve]

You speak the truth. I think they will go software because I don't think NX is gonna do any better than Wii U. It'd be weird to see a Nintendo exclusive on another console.

[_-EDMIX-_]

1000% percent agree Hoff, at this point I just cannot take their terrible hardware just make games and let it be as a software company I think they're amazing as a hardware company this is where I disagree.

Some of their games lack features due to the company not fully understanding networking and you're having them play catch up to stuff like DLC which other platforms have had for 10 years now and they're playing catch up to all of these bare essential features that it just makes sense for them to run the gauntlet and just be a third-party developer and call it a day and let Sony and Microsoft worry about those other issues that they're already good at.

[Philface]

You realize that they can not change the design of a console that was made more then 4 years ago. Don't be impatient now, as you probably now that hey have a lot of change going on right now.

[PhucSeeker]

Why does people want the market share to shrink even more than it already does ? It is not good for the consumers to have less options. It only benefits the corporates which will screw you even harder.

If there's a new console branch then i'm good with Nin step down.

YouTube is not even following its guideline and is currently screwing people over. But they're not fixing their way of doing thing. Would they keep at it if a big competitor shows up and takes their share of the market ?

[Philface]

That guy spreads kind of a rumor and every Nintendo hater jumps to it. How does that guy know that EA/ Ubisoft/ Square Enix/ ... have no devkits. Also he talks about PS and Xbox as well not giving them devkits and they even live from 3rd party support.

Also there is so much change at Nintendo right now and people are so inpatient to see what they have to offer in the future.

I don't get why people do not understand that Nintendo won't put there biggest source of income on other consoles they have more and better opportunities for there IPs then that (Movie, Tv series, Comic, ...)

[Philface]

Double post from me sorry.

[fenome]

Hopefully for right now it's just because they don't want any leaks about their new console. I really hope they've learned from their mistakes and don't end up shooting themselves in the foot again. I really want them to come back in strong with this one, I've got a lot of nostalgia in the Nintendo brand. I almost got a Wii U a while back, but now I'm waiting to see what they do with this instead.

[2pacalypsenow]

If that is true then R.I.P Next Nintendo Console

[SegaSaturn669]

Whoa. Ori is a really great game. Sad to hear this.

[Aenea]

If they want to sell Ori more they could release it on the PS4 ;)

[Dark_Crow]

If it's simply about selling more then same can be said about literally any game to any platform.

[Sirk7x]

You know the game was funded my Microsoft, right?

[Sirk7x]

You know the game was funded by Microsoft, right?

[Aenea]

@Dark
Not the point.

@Sirk

Yes, I do know, hence why I doubt they want to make it for the Nintendo NX.

Either SegaSaturn669 is mistakingly thinking they want to make Ori for the NX or he believes it's about a new game and assumes the next game will be as good as Ori which is yet to be seen, especially since Moon Studios is a weird sort of developer with people all around the world.

[Rearden]

This is a small time dev that's butthurt over not getting an NX dev kit as early as big developers.

[Kalebninja]

Exactly Nintendo is keeping all info about nx tight why would they entrust a brand new studio.

[BattleAxe]

Yeah, I mean who cares about a studio that just made a critically acclaimed indie game. Developers who make critically acclaimed games are useless, and Nintendo realizes this /s

@garrettbobbyferguson

Almost no 3rd party games of any consequence had any debut on the last 2 Nintendo consoles, so by your logic I suppose nobody should get a dev kit?

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@Battleaxe

Oh man, critically acclaimed game that didn't even debut on their platform? That means they should be rushing to put a dev kit in their palm of their hands!

[Kalebninja]

@battleaxe
just because they made a good game doesnt mean nintendo should give them the same access as Square Enix or EA thats insane to even think that. These are big devs that have had relationships with nintendo for years, new moon studios has a single game that released just last year and its not even on a nintendo platform there is no relationship there.

[rainslacker]

Given the devs penchant for expressing such things on neogaf, I'd say Nintendo did the right thing. They don't want devs going out to neogaf, or other websites, and inadvertently spilling the beans. I can't really think of any non super big publisher which would be given access years before finalization of the hardware, and even a few months before a reveal is only for devs with proven track records. This is true of any system really.

[AAWELLS09]

How incredibly stupid.

[Aenea]

Especially if you consider that Moon Studios made one game so far which was paid for and published by MS. Would you, if you were Nintendo, give a dev.kit to a small developer you know has ties with one of your competitors? I wouldn't...

[WeAreLegion]

Nintendo is very concerned about leaks. So, getting these kits to the smaller devs is risky for them. I guarantee they sent Rockstar, Bethesda, and all the big 3rd party teams a dev kit.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

what leaks? Please source them.
And rumors =/= leaks

[WeAreLegion]

Let me clarify.

They're concerned leaks will happen if the dev kits get into the wrong hands.

[OpieWinston]

Last time a Bethesda published game was on a Nintendo console was on the Wii back in 2009.
Same goes for Rockstar.

So I don't think those two are the ones you want to headline that. I do agree they'd be concerned about people leaking things out. But given the heavy Indie support on the Wii U. It's odd they shut out a dev that just won a bunch of awards for their debut game. Especially since Ori proves Moon Studios could make some amazing Nintendo games.

[WeAreLegion]

Those are the 3rd party teams they need if they want REAL 3rd party support. And they seem to really want it this time. I guarantee they have those dev kits.

[rainslacker]

Question is, what would Moon Studio do with a development kit right now? Did they write their own engine for the game? If not, then there is no need for them to have specs, because they will have no way to write a game for it...unless they want to get into the engine making business...which means they'd still have to wait and with the time frame, it's premature for them to have it anyways given how much work would need to be done first.

The engine makers at publishers and 3rd party engine makers probably already have the dev kits. This is typically who the first ones go out to, because they are the ones that are going to make it so other devs can develop on the system.

It's possible they could use Nintendo provided SDK's, but perhaps they aren't finalized yet, so again, Nintendo wouldn't be sending them out to devs at this time.

I'm sure when the time comes, and Nintendo is ready to send out dev kits, any established 3rd party dev/pub will be granted access to them once they sign the necessary NDA's. It's been like that for a while now, and I see no reason why Moon Studios should get special treatment, nor why this dev would make such a huge leap of logic to come to his conclusion...as it defies all standard practices, and to me, only shows that maybe they aren't as good as they think they are. They can make a great game, but seem to lack the knowledge of how these things work.

If I opened a studio right now, having game development credentials that I do, which is ample enough to become an official developer, I wouldn't expect any company to provide me with a development kit before the other more established devs/pubs which are going to be doing a lot more work to make 3rd party development possible. I'd have to wait my turn like everyone else, and if Nintendo was supportive when they do start sending out more dev kits, then I can't see any reason why I wouldn't want to develop for them if all the business aspects line up.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Might be the strangest thing I've ever heard so they're basically not going to give developers the development kit to make games on their platform because they're going to leak information? So what you're telling me is it would have been better for Sony that never shown Bungie Playstation 4 and have their input? Oh it would have never been great for Microsoft to had talked with epic when they are developing the 360? buddy are you serious?

Lol this sounds like a disaster waiting to happen and if they are indeed limiting dev kits due to such a stupid reason they're already failing as their development kits should be in all major hands of all major developers to assist in input so they could make it better device if they wish to have the support of the community.

PlayStation 4 and Xbox one had two of the most successful launches I've ever seen in gaming in history. Their first two years literally Eclipse all of the Wii U's life cycle in regards to support they had the community's full support in their device because the community helped develop it.

[WeAreLegion]

Bungie isn't some small indie team. Neither is Epic. You didn't read my comment. You picked out what you wanted from what I wrote and changed it to fit your narrative.

I understand that you wanted to make a point, but it has nothing to do with what I said.

Both Sony and Microsoft limited dev kits before launch, as well. They didn't ship them to just anyone. Why do people like you feel the need to attack something without reading the entire comment?

[UltraNova]

Edmix, Legion is right.

Think about it, if you were in Nintendo's, Sony's, MS's shoes would you disclose not yet ready to be announced sensitive info to small devs who like to run their mouths on neogaf or to big serious publishers who know when to keep their mouths shut?

[OldGuyStillGaming]

Microsoft was able to recover from the mess it started out in with the Xbox one but I really doubt Nintendo can do the same

If this is true then Nintendo NX is pretty much D.O.A

[Loadedklip]

Nintendo hasn't had legit third party support since the SNES.

It's a credit to them to have survived this long with almost no support for multiple generations.

[2pacalypsenow]

GC had some 3rd party support, they had that exclusive deal with THQ and Capcom

[Loadedklip]

Devil May Cry
Street Fighter Alpha
Final Fantasy
Grand Theft Auto
Metal Gear Solid
Dino Crisis
Kingdom Hearts
Tekken
Max Payne
Onimusha

I can keep going ...

In comparison to PS2 ... GCN had bad third party support. Better than N64 did ... but too little too late.

Getting Soul Calibur 2 with Link ... but not getting Tekken, Soul Calibur 3 even ... do you think that would make the GCN the main choice for a 3D fighter fan?

No.

That is Nintendo's biggest problem. The SNES was the last system that had GOOD third party support.

All their other systems since then have have bad to simply AWFUL levels of support.

Getting Capcom to make a few exclusives but then have that same publisher not bring over their other games like Devil May Cry, Street Fighter does not help.

PS1 ... the BEST level of third party support
PS2 ... the BEST level of third party support
PS3 ... the (close second) BEST level of third party support
PS4 ... the BEST level of third party support.

Notice a pattern here? That is why Sony is so successful.

[2pacalypsenow]

I said they had some 3rd party support, not great 3rd party support

[Segata]

Rockstar made a few game son N64 and they had Capcom and Konami support. Acclaim which back then was huge released a bunch of N64 games. Gamecube had a lot of 3rd party games. Wii had a shit ton. While most was shovelware it still had a lot of gems from Sega,Capcom,Square,Tri Ace,Namco,Grasshopper,R* and more.
Wii U launch was all third party big names.

[Loadedklip]

Wii U launched with a few big names like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed yet there were NO PLANS for Tomb Raider, Grand Theft Auto, Far Cry, Crysis, Metal Gear Rising, an actual current year Madden (they released a prior year Madden with current year stats). These are all games that could have been launch window titles that were coming to PS3 and 360 with no plans for a Wii U version ever. This before the sales of Wii U tanked.

Having a few third party games but missing out on several other key titles does not help matters at all.

When you buy a PlayStation ... you don't expect to get SOME third party support ... you expect to get 99% of every big title.

That is what Nintendo needs. EVEN amount of third party support that Sony gets. Not 10% to 50% at best of what Sony gets.

[DualWielding]

third party support is just something that Nintendon't

[Relientk77]

Nintendo needs 3rd party support too, not just first party support

[Neonridr]

Funny how everyone here is taking the word of some independent developer and somehow equating that as no 3rd party support.

While Ori is a fantastic game and would love to see it on more platforms, I would hardly start ringing the alarm bells because of what they said.

Wait until we hear what the big studios are cooking up (if anything) for the NX before we all start jumping to conclusions.

[gangsta_red]

The article even says that a lot of hardware manufactures do the same.

I'm sure MS and Sony did the same and I am positive that games from third parties just released with specs they thought the new consoles would have. Which is why launch games never look as good as they do through out the cycle.

[rainslacker]

Of course they did the same. How many indie or small pubs/devs did we see announcing games during or soon after the reveal of the X1 and PS4? None. It took months after those events for them to start showing their wares, and most of them were ports from other hardware. I think Housemarque was the only small dev shown, and they have a strong relationship with Sony. The rest were Activision, Ubi, and EA. Even 2K and Bethesda were not present until some time after that I recall.

I understand the penchant for using any evidence for console war arguments, but the fact some people won't even see the logic behind the easily discernible reasons console makers don't send stuff out too early is just laughable...and kind of sad.

[Geekman]

Yeah, it's really concerning to see just how many people are treating this as evidence. An indie developer getting nothing back from a corporation as big as Nintendo about a console that they haven't even revealed yet does not mean ANYTHING.

[kotaku77]

Oh boy... This is not good for Nintendo

[Hitoemi]

I have a question. Did this Dev just confirm all three are working on next gen already? He said "its not just Nintend, its all of them being too secretive with their hardware." Mmm

[Neonridr]

No, I think he meant in general that he went through the same things with Sony and MS with their previous consoles. Which makes his statements about Nintendo specifically mean that much less since they all seem to be doing it.

[ScorpiusX]

I would think so , normally Sony & MS always mention that development start at the release of previous console .

[Hoffmann]

Why wouldnt Sony and MS not work on new hardware already?

[kotaku77]

I'm not sure we are going to see a new console generation by Microsoft and Sony... MS seems to be betting on the Xbox brand as a platform for gaming, perhaps a cloud service, and Sony will probably follow...
In any case I'm pretty sure MS is not working on a new hardware

[Neonridr]

there is a difference between working (ie brainstorming, coming up with ideas) vs what Nintendo is doing (manufacturing the actual console).

Companies always have a team immediately researching the next tech even just after a console launches. However I don't expect to see the PS5 / XB2 for several years still. This gen is barely getting cracked open.

[Hitoemi]

Love it 6 down votes because I asked a question that is legitmate.

[Hoffmann]

Thats the N4G Community for you. You can write the most logic comment or make a joke the majority of peple understand and like, but you get always some disagrees by the trolls.

[Benoski]

If the NX has any chance of succeeding, then third party support is essential to Nintendo.

However, they also need to prove that it's at the same power as the PS4 and Xbox One. This is where the Wii U failed. Due to having the same power as the PS3 and Xbox 360, not many publishers supported it.

[Gamist2dot0]

No, not the same. The NX should be better since the current gen consoles are 3 years old. If the NX is just a tad better then Nintendo is just repeating itself in the competition like the WiiU and some of its previous gen consoles.

[ScorpiusX]

Aside from hardware issues,isn't lack of 3rd party support what in short killed the Wii U. So why is Nintendo letting this happen again.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

yeah believe anything read without solid evidence and proof.

[ScorpiusX]

First nothing in the article states what I stated, Everything in my comment is true Wii U hardware is crap causing 3rd parties to skip it and not bring it games to it .

[Kingdomcome247]

A bit off topic, but this caused me to think about just how much I'd like to see the next project from Moon Studios. Ori was an absolute masterpiece. OT: Nintendo knows that they have to do far better with third party support. While Nintendo almost singlehandedly supported the Wii U by themselves through impeccable first party software, they know that they need far more to be considered an option as a primary console, not a secondary by the majority of the market. When you put out quality, bug free, polished first software such as Nintendo you can only release so many titles each year. They have to have supplementary software. 3-4 first party games (albeit great) won't cut it. I can't imagine that they'd not do everything that they can to fight for consistent AAA third party support with the NX. I think this is being a bit overblown at this stage.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

I don't really care if western publishers or developers don't support the NX.
But
Capcom
Sega
Bandai Namco
Atlus
Square Enix
Tecmo KOEI
Spike Chunsoft

As for:
Mistwalker
Platinum Games

is a must.

[ScorpiusX]

Not realm all developers are a must if they want to offer their base a wide variety of games. As this who must insanity those developers are free to do or not do as they please and stop trying to make it seem like they must cause their Japanese and its some sort of obligation.

[DreadGara]

If it's a handheld I would have agreed and we still in the fog not knowing what it's gonna be yet...

Still, homeconsole need more than that for the current generation (if the NX will ever be) cause the demand on PS & XB western games is the most worldwide in general. That summarize the majority of gamers of the current gen to be frank.

As an old core Nintendo fan's, some of them got tired being stuck with Mario and some few milked first party franchise and not being able to experience other third party games for good. Nintendo to be blamed on this matter as they not only knowing what's people want... but for what they were back on their glory days when the SNES shined for its big library of gaming.

This developer claimed opinion could a be serious thing if it's not getting support by third party/western developer and I agree 100% with him.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

but ask yourself this.
What made NES and SNES third party success.
Japanese publisher.

The only somewhat success was N64 with western publisher. N64 getting a lot of PC ports and western games.

Western publishers aren't Nintendo strong point.
All Nintendo need to do is take what they did with 3DS and apply to the console.

-Which why Square Enix spoke about FFXIV and Dragon Quest X/XI being on the NX.
-Spike Chunsoft and Capcom considering the NX for future development.
-Tecmo KOEI already spoke about it being a home console.
-Even Level-5 spoke on Yokai Watch and others for NX.

Japanese Developers and Publishers is what going to drive Nintendo system and will always be. Not western.
I don't want same library. I want unique and different.

That what Japanese publishers can offer.

[DreadGara]

True that, Western games weren't half as good as Japanese games back then. But they were there at least and now it's totally the opposite.

Why not having both library btw to drive Nintendo as a unique and different?

I knew many people hooked to SNES for Western games such as Doom and MK. Toruk & Killer's Instinct did very well on 64.

If you think Japanese games will always be the selling point of Nintendo then it's gonna be their loss for not focusing on the majority of gamers.
I suggest they open doors just like Playstation does, where everyone can enjoy finding the genre of hes choice and that's why PS4 nailed it.

If Nintendo fans as they claim like unique and different games only so what the purpose of getting a new console or a hand held anyway to begin with????
Isn't their current machines offering that already?
Or are they after extra ligts and buttons on their joypads, perhaps more pixels on tv?

Western developers are the most innovative and very creative in this current gen and sadly some people does not acknowledge that.

[Dubaman]

"And just to be clear, it’s not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they’re the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time"

[just-joe]

How dare you read the article!

[esmittystud101]

Far more is undercutting it. I would say the only way this is going to strive. When I mean strive, I mean sell like X1 and PS4, you need the games they have to offer. Plain and simple. If Cod: Modern Warfare 4 comes out for X1 and PS4, NXX needs to bring it out as well, and at the same resolutions and fps the others are. That is what has hurt Nintendo for like the past ten years. Offer third parties, you need them. You know it and we all have known it for years.

I have a Wii U and guess how many multiplatform games I have for it.......Zombie U($10)...Amazing Spiderman 2 for my son........thats it. No other games other than excluisives like Super Mario Maker.

I own all three consoles and I like the Wii U but......no third party anything really. NXX........"oh god, here we go again." "You thought they would have learned something in the past ten years." Talk about a company that never has high hopes for anything.

[Soldierone]

At the end of the day they are still an indie studio and will be treated as such. I'm sure once NX gets going they will see these games and ask to port them over, that's how it always works.

Personally I don't need my consoles filled with every random indie game that pops up. Half of them suck, and very few actually catch fire in comparison. Imagine console markets becoming like mobile where you need to shuffle through pages of crap just to find a decent game...

Major publishers come first, then indie studios will get their hands on it next. It's not a big deal.

[Segata]

They develop for a competing platform. Why would Nintendo send him a kit? That's like Next Level Games and Shin'en complaining they didn't get PS5/XB2 dev kits when the time comes.

[MCTJim]

whats funny about this to me is that most of the "leaks" usually come out of companies with the most people or employees. More people=more leaks. Smaller companies would indeed take it more seriously as they have more to lose in the long run.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Nintendo are turning into "That guy" in the big console trio, they should probably start putting Zelda etc on other machines also, and so away with the big console thing.

[Ninja_G_Aidan]

Delusional?!

[PaleMoonDeath]

Apparently not, my Wii U has two games, Smash bros and Mario Maker, other than that.. yeah. I reckon Nintendo should start doing some third party.

[Fonso128]

Nintendo's 1st party games can't save the wiiu from being dead not even smash and kart can save it. If Nintendo released their games on actual relevant gaming platforms like the ps4 and xbox1 theyd be making money. Nobody wants Nintendo consoles anymore. They are not needed in the console market.

[Ck1x]

Once again, it's a very western mentality that only two major players can be in the game or if they don't all do the same things then the more boutique brand should just close up shop. Essentially you guys spouting this stuff are under the Wal-Mart mentality of doing business. A company doesn't have to homogenize itself into selling, meat, tires, clothes, furniture and everything under the sun to be successful.

Believe it or not there are still many businesses that provide only one or more services that are doing very well for themselves.

[Ninja_G_Aidan]

I'm on about putting Zelda and maybe other first party Nintendo games onto different consoles, that's delusional!

[JunMei]

Wow. This guy sounds salty just because he wasn't able to get an early development kit.

[Ninja_G_Aidan]

Ori and the Blind Forest was developed by Microsoft Studios so I doubt very much Nintendo would give them any information.

[Father__Merrin]

nintendo need to be an android box

[CoDsuperstar]

I skipped the WiiU for obvious reasons, i just hope the NX has the games, good online, and a good controller. thats all i want nintendo.

[Segata]

Wii U has both. Online is never down because BS Splatoon MK8 and Smash servers always stable and of the Gamepad is not your thing just use the Pro as it's a better version of the 360 controller just more comfy and slightly wider.

[iliimaster]

whats the point of nx if it does not include 3rd party support ?????? makes no sense..... fake

[Stealth20k]

A butthurt indie dev? Since when are we turning neogaf posts into articles for this site?

[akaFullMetal]

The last couple of Nintendo systems haven't had 3rd party support, I'll wait and see if they get some this time. But based on their track record I won't hold my breath.

[Stealth20k]

This is a complete nonstory based on a neogaf post LOL.

Indie devs, not all of them, get dev kits with the big boys.

[DDMNeo]

This is how it happened. This is how the Nintendo died.

[Majister-Ludi]

As someone who has owned every piece of hardware that Nintendo has ever put out other then the wii u let me say it's too late. You have lost me Nintendo. I still play nes snes 64 and cube to this day but you lost your way. When did games take a backseat. I know the answer I just wish it wasn't so. Maybe one day you can have me back but you need to build trust first. I still love you but I don't trust you and won't support your bad decisions any longer.

[FPS_D3TH]

The only reason to but Nintendo is for Nintendo games anyways so who cares? I still doubt out of the three newer consoles including Nintendos NX, it won't sell as well as Sony. Possibly microsofts though since they've opened their exclusives to PC.

[voodoochild346]

People won't want to hear this but I couldn't care less about Nintendo getting non exclusive third party support. I've had every major Nintendo system since the n64 and I know how this works. I buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. Everything else is gravy. I'm building a pc with my tax return for third party games and exclusives like UT4. I'm getting a ps4 in the fall for Sony exclusives.

People expecting something different than what has happened the last 10 years are hilarious. Expect Nintendo to ride or die by themselves and experience a pleasant surprise when third party support magically returns. It's not hard...

[Fonso128]

If the Nintendo NX flops like how the Wiiu did than Nintendo should just go 3rd party. The 3rd party is the bread and butter of a console. I personally don't care for Nintendo's 1st party I say it's total crap as far as that goes. If 1st party is all the NX gets than it has nothing going for it just like the Wiiu. The Wiiu still hasn't outsold the PS vita's lifetime sales.

[yomfweeee]

The only thing this proves if that Thomas Mahler isn't being very professional and is looking like an ass to Nintendo.

[Stealth20k]

A small indie who has never made anything for Nintendo did not get a dev kit at the same time as Namco/Square and all the other devs we know have one. News at 11

[jznrpg]

Like others have stated, Nintendo is super careful not to let stuff leak so that is why they were denied, my best guess. That still doesn't mean they will or will not get 3rd party support, that will be more based on how well it does initially and over time.

[Kamikaze135]

Nintendo is indeed being secretive about the NX. And if they want to continue keeping it a secret till they are ready to reveal it...why give a dev kit or any info regarding the system to some no name no name studio that has never created a Nintendo game before?

[Huguinho]

What a sensationalist title and picture this article has, no doubt this only could be approved in N4G, where the majority of fanboys that runs this site just want nintendo fall so hard that they stop doing hardware and could play their AAA franchises on their shinny "other consoles" (that won´t happen btw, deal with it :D). Nintendo nor ANY hardware manufacturer (SONY, MICROSOFT, hell even APPLE or GOOGLE) would give developer kits to small/indie studios when your project is still a secret, and that´s because the risk of the leaked information, the writer even states that this practice has been done by other hardware manufacturers, not just nintendo, and the big studios have access to early DK´s because they are easier and safer to celebrate Confidentiality Agreements with, so your secret project is not leaked, as opossed to small/indie studios where sometimes is just one person, who could only go for the information to leak and not the development of any game. yes my english sucks but you understood it very well.

[MisterManGuy]

People must be getting desperate at this point. Nintendo has been giving dev kits out to major publishers for a while, and as soon as one indie developer is kept in the dark, people see it as "herp a derp, no 3rd party support again". I understand the frustrations about the NX being kept a secret, but one indie dev not getting a dev kit is no indication Nintendo hasn't learned. Sony and Microsoft didn't give Indies dev kits until their new platforms were revealed either, so calm down, this is nothing new, not is it something exclusive to Nintendo.

[Ck1x]

Not to mention that they just released Ori last year and probably don't have anything concrete software planned that they would even be thinking of for a Nintendo platform. I'm sure Nintendo wants to focus hard on developers and publishers releasing games in the next year. For all we know maybe the NX is being planned on AMD putting out Finfet gpu's and maybe a slow process for now getting devkits made at a high rate to meet demands.

[jstark]

dont really care since i have a pc so im good either way if the nx has 3rd party support or not, just having awesome exclusives is more then a reason for me to buy one

[kenwonobi]

Not uncommon for smaller studios to not get the devkit to secret new console hardware.

[Ck1x]

People need to calm down on all of the jumping the gun nonsense. We know there are devkits out there because people are mentioning how ironclad the NDA's are. I don't think that Nintendo is so much as cherry picking whether the developer is small or large.

They are probably putting a priority on developers and publishers that have new projects coming out around the target release of the NX launch date. Nobody wants a WiiU situation where most of the launch games were old ports. Yes the NX needs games, but Nintendo needs current software and to lock down future games coming to their platform.

[DivineAssault]

Well at least we know some dev kits are out there if these guys are asking for one..

[MasterD919]

This is called being out of touch with your consumers. Goodluck staying afloat Nintendo.

[Kalebninja]

did you even read the post?

"it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time"

[Kalebninja]

man people have to stop hating, Nintendo isnt going to just hand out dev kits to everyone who asks especially if they are a small brand new studio. There are devs out their right now trying to get dev kits to leak info and obviously nintendos been doing what they can to keep that from happening.

[Dubaman]

You fanboys do know that these guys (Moon Studios) became a Microsoft First Party Developer in 2011, right? Why would Nintendo prioritise them for a devkit???

[Moonman]

Way too much salt in his tone to believe Nintendo refuses or simply is delaying a kit for them. The way he shoots off his mouth, they were right in doing so.....lol

[extermin8or]

Ngl their new console could be like the second coming of christ for all I care I wouldn't touch it with a fing bargepole. Not until jt was clear it a) has proper third party support. B) has exclusives that are as good or better as ones on other consoles and c) those exclusives aren't just the next rehash of every Mario game, zelda, metroid etc because at this point I've grown up watching new versions of those games release and them basically being the same bloody thing as before, they often play almost identically in some cases and it's beyond a joke now. Oh and that it was clear that when next gen comes 2-3 years after this releases that it wasn't going to just be left behind, I'm nit down fir investing the like 400 pounds for a console that from the past will have Mario, zelda, metroid, some niche jrpgs and obscure titles only the really hardcore jrpgs fans really know of fir it's support ti dive off a cliff withing 3 years.sş we

[Kallisti]

CLICK-BAIT. One developer not getting a dev-kit is not an indication of no third party support. Journalism at its finest once again.

[Philface]

Title is misleading. He is not talking only of NX but also of PS and Xbox devkits.

[LgbtWarrior]

Nintendo don't want that bs. Come on.

[Nilla_Nate]

Dear Nintendo, go third party. It'll be way easier. Ok don't go third party and have another failed console.

[Emme]

Clickbait, nothing interesting in that article. FOr a developer its highly inappropriate to talk such things in public.

[ZeekQuattro]

Clickbait at its finest. It usually works on here. Look at all the trolls lining up like pigs to the trough for the latest proof that Nintendo is going 3rd party. lmao Not every company out there is given access to dev kits from the start. Plus Nintendo is being very secretive to avoid leaks. Also given the number of indie games being released on the 3DS and Wii U I find it odd that Nintendo suddenly decided that indies have no place on the NX. Stop with the tomfoolery.

[Artemidorus]

Nintendo are going down the wrong path AGAIN

[rocketpanda]

Seems like a very salty dev. If Nintendo said nothing devs then maybe they aren't ready to do so or maybe they are working with a select few and will rollout dev units closer to release. Everything at this moment is speculation, so this dev needs to chill. Making statements that there will be no third party support like he is its official spokesperson.

[GrmpyolGamer]

I understand the need for 3rd Party support for Nintendo but for me personally I don't buy a Nintendo console for CoD or Assassins creed. I buy it for Nintendo exclusives so as long as they keep putting out exclusives I will buy the new console

[Jag-T1000]

Yes you are correct , but Nintendo wishes there were 30 million people like you. So far only 10 million have bought a wii-u.

[Ck1x]

Do people not get that there are many Nintendo fans that don't currently have a interest in buying the WiiU and it has everything to do with the console itself and not the software that Nintendo provides or the company.

Now all of a sudden 12 million consoles is the absolute limit that Nintendo is able to reach. Never mind us not knowing anything about the NX or that they want to push for a unified ecosystem of software across their platforms. Which in of itself can cause more people to be interested in future Nintendo products.

[blawren4]

I would absolutely buy COD or Assassins Creed on Wii U or NX if available. I simply prefer the system and the gamepad, limitations or not, and I do have an xbox one. Just my own preference.

[Josuey]

See the problem with that is that if nintendo actually put out a console with all the features and graphical power as the competition, they might actually have a chance about people buying their console for 3rd party games as well as their iconic IP's

[Jag-T1000]

Well, I guess we'll get two games a year then. This is not good news.

[Josuey]

Why the disagrees? What you are saying is a little exagerated but not far off from the truth.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

NX will be irrelevant for me the moment they decide to keep region restrictions on their games.

[blawren4]

already looking for a reason to not buy? that's what we do, I guess.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

nope. But looking back at the history of Nintendos latest consoles/handhelds this has always been the case lately. I own a WiiU and several Nintendo 3DS. I love Nintendo for their Mario games but I don't want to be restricted in which version I should buy and play on my console. I hate this on every console/handheld no matter brand. Because it is all about the games!

[blawren4]

After reading what this dev said, I lost all kinds of respect for them. They need to get over themselves and calm down. Yeah, you had a hit game. I know its petty, but I was just about to pick up this game and now I'll wait. I'll play something else first.

[BigDuo]

Major third parties are the backbone of the industry, so it's completely understandable why all platform holders would prioritize holding meetings and sending out devkits to them well before getting into contact and loanding devkits out to indies.

In the case of Wii U, Nintendo said it released devkits out earlier than it usually had done in the past. From what we know, developers like the company behind Darksiders 2, received a first-gen Wii U devkit 5 weeks before E3 in June 2011. Here's a look at most of Wii U's major third party port launch lineup schedule compared to the how long it took those titles to release after the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions came out:

Mass Effect 3: Released 8 months later
Dark Siders 2: Released 3 months later
Assassin's Creed 3: Released a month later
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2: Released same month
Madden NFL 2013: Released around 3 months later
Tekken Tag Team Tournament 2: Released 2 months later
NBA2K13: Released a month later
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge: Released around 5 months earlier (based on NA release schedule)
Sonic Racing Transformed: Released in same month

Dear, Ori developer, you're only partially right in the sense that platform holders in general should make some changes. Wii U even had a few indie games released in its first year. Could Nintendo and other platform holders use more software support early on from both major third parties and indies? Of course, but in the case of NX, we'll just have to wait and see how the platform's preparation leading up to its launch. Hopefully,we'll know a lot more by E3 later this year.

[Night99]

Most people will have a XboxOne, PS4 or decent PC by the time the NX will be released, never a good idea to release a console in the middle of a generation. NX will have it even tougher to sell 3rd party multi-games than former Nintendo consoles. If NX has 3rd party support at release it will be incredible hard to maintain it Nintendo better made it very easy and cheap to port games to NX otherwise it is very likely that it will be even worse with 3rd party games than WiiU.

[yomfweeee]

Why is this flagged as news by the way?

[GamePeace]

Impossible ...

By the way, who is "Ori and the Blind Forest" ?

[Enigma_2099]

From the article...

"This is actually THE singlest most annoying thing for every dev out there. We also talked to Nintendo and got absolutely nothing - I'll never understand that.

*****And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time.****

It's not even that the hardware isn't finished (duh), but you could at least give me the goddamn specs, so we'd know what to build shit for!"

... and you managed to turn this into a slam directed solely at Nintendo. Amazing.

[ape007]

if this console failed, Nintendo is DONE as a console manufacturer

[DC777]

Delete this bs.

[MilkMan]

The guy makes sense. Nintendo needs to support the tech way ahead of time. Lets just hope for the best. The guys frustrated because he probably wants to make a great game for NX and instead his getting the typical Nintendo sub-standard treatment of third party support.

[Philface]

Not any more typical as the other two console manufactures (read the post).

[SH1ELD]

NX day one confirmed for me.

[Ravenge]

Nintendo is managed by old people who understand nothing about modern video games industry, live with it or riot.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Isn't it a given that it won't have 3rd party support?

[Josuey]

Nintendo is Done, the only thing keeping them alive is the 3DS and its reign is ending soon, no to mention it sold much less than what the DS sold, here i was hoping nintendo was going to make a traditional console again, not only does their console buisiness needs an overhaul, their games library needs to change to catter to a more mature audience, the audience that left them and went to playstation and xbox.