Bethesda's Pete Hines Defends Fallout 4's Season Pass Price Increase, Reveals More DLC Info

Today, Bethesda finally took the wraps off of the long awaited Fallout 4 DLC plans. On the whole, there was a lot to be happy about.

[xPhearR3dx]

People love to make a big deal over nothing. I remember when Techland announced they were upping the price of the Season Pass, everyone cried and threw a fit. DLC got released, got very positive reviews and everyone is happy.

Aside from their Horse Armor stunt, Bethesda has proven they put very content filled quality DLC. I'm more than certain the DLC will be well worth the increased asking price if you're not able to pick it up before March 1st.

Very rarely do we get expansion packs these days. Most DLC is map packs, throwaway game modes, outfits etc. They already said the first expansion is bigger than any previous one they've done. And they've done some pretty massive expansions.

[-Foxtrot]

No one is making a big deal over nothing. It's not about posistive reviews for the DLC/game, if shitty practices are involved it's a bad thing. If you had a game which was the best game ever but it had crap DLC or Season Pass plans does that mean we should automatically let it slide? No I don't think so.

Fallout 3 had 5 great DLC packs, nearly all story related.

Fallout New Vegas had 4 and again were all story related...these ones actually built up the Couriers story until it came full circle to a gripping conclusion. They did it better then Fallout 3

Fallout 4 however has two over priced DLC packs which is basically mods you can already get on PC for free and which could easily become consoles first mod content but no, no they want us to pay for it despite making a big deal over console mods. Not to mention they add nothing to the game or story. You really want to pay £7.99 for a robot companion? Differen't if it was in the game from the start but we have so many people to travel with what is the point. They could have been bundled together for like £4.99 or do something like the Witcher where they are free.

The third is the only good content pack but that's not coming until May. Even then it just seems like a Nick Valentine case, who knows if it's story related.

What about more DLC packs like it...because it seems we won't get more untill the end of this year. Not really that good when Fallout 3s DLC packs all came out within the first 8-9 months

Just feels they are forcing us into it. Do we just buy the main content for £20 on it's own or pay the extra £4 for the season pass...basically buying into the shitty system. I feel conflicted and I shouldn't.

[Xb1ps4]

My answer... I haven't bought the game yet and don't plan to until everything is included or the game is cheaper...

To this day I still can't believe I got a game like the witcher 3 for 25$.. I almost feel bad for the devs cause it's well worth the full price but sometimes it's just better off to sit back and wait especially with so many games to help make the time pass..

I'm sure fall out 4 is a great game I just don't think it's as good as the witcher 3 so sometimes you just have to sit back and wait for the sale price or just skip it all together to send a clear message cause imo Bethesda is just on a high horse right now.

[_-EDMIX-_]

No ones forcing you to do anything and where did you read that the content they were releasing was not story related?

Such practices will continue to get praised by gamers as they're going to vote with their wallets.

you could go on and continue your parade in trying to lobby everyone against the concept but the reality is everybody has already voted and you kind of lost. if you consider people are buying this enough for them to keep doing it through this generation.

You're free to give your opinion as anybody else's though, you are merely fighting a concept that is completely irrelevant to the idea of business.

You're using emotional ideals in terms of what you think is fair or bad practices to ward off or fight off extra post-launch content that clearly is making enough money for them to continue the practice if no one wanted it, it wouldn't be made it. simple supply and demand I have no clue how anyone thinks they can have any real impact or change regarding a practice if they can't even factor in supply and demand somebody wants it buddy I'm sorry that you don't like it but someone wants it enough to justify its existence.

it's basically like holding a sign out in McDonalds telling everybody to rally with you and get the value menu items that are a dollar to be $0.01 because of what you believe in if the majority has more money than you and they're telling you that they are fine with the practice and huge factual numbers you're sort of out on your own.

Situations like this show you are in the extreme minority, the majority do not care they have enough money and they see this content as a value if they're paying for it in the first place.

10. Factor in supply and demand and real market value is essentially destroy your entire rally or protest against such things as those are for a matter of fact real proof that determine the value of the content and what the majority feels about them we don't need you to tell us what's good for gamers the numbers will speak for themselves in the market will sort itself out.

Considered as a listing agent and an investor I've dealt with people like this so many times that seem to think that they could rally against factual things that they have no control of, you do not deem the value of something the entire market as a whole does I could care less if you think Jordans are worth a single dollar the majority see it otherwise as they have their own perceived value and what they believe it's worth it's no different than starting a blog to fight and make everyone try to pay a dollar. Yet the majority of all ready for you matter of fact voted with their wallets.

So it sorta doesn't matter what you think about this practice if its that bad consumers will not buy it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean consider this Fox with all of your chest bumping in tears regarding Battlefront the game went on to move 13 million units.

I'm not sure what you're saying regarding DLC with Games matters to the majority when in the Mega Millions people honestly do not care.

Your nit picking with a microscope crying about all these small things that I'm pretty positive nobody cares about but nobody is going to really care that much in the huge millions to honestly affect anything if it's really that bad again the market will reflect that.

I mean fallout 4 moved like 12 million units in a week I'm pretty sure no one cares buddy it's just one of these sad things where you seem to really believe that someone is going to care this much about the small details if you can't afford to play this hobby why are you in it? When was there a time where we just got all games for free in all content for free as a normal thing?

You're also in love with trying to count pieces of items as worth or value and disregarding the overall quality of the game as if a numerical count gives you a great idea and conveys an understanding of fun it might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Team Fortress 2 first year in Battlefront sort of show you how stupid that concept is yet those games went on to do millions because they were fun I've never met somebody that would play a game based on how much it had vs the fun in the game it's like saying you would watch a 12 hour movie VS a 2 hour one in merely measure the time to determine the quality it doesn't really make sense you're not talking about something objective you're talking about something subjective that is not based on numerical count.

If the quality in the Season Pass justifies it people will buy it no one really cares that you think season passes should be $2 or free or anything of the sort because the majority clearly think otherwise if their purchasing it in the first place.

[freshslicepizza]

@-Foxtrot

a) nobody 'forced you' to do anything. you fail time and again that nobody owes you anything. it's their game and they can do as they wish with it. you as a consumer can use your own judgement on what to buy.

b) the game as far as a i know offers a ton of content. i have yet heard anyone complain about paying $60 for it. yet you who always seems to have a tendency to see the bleak side of things will look for any angle to discredit something and in this case you mention the dlc. once again nobody owes you any dlc and you as a consumer can decide what to support.

c) speaking of fallout 3, do you honestly think the same cost ratio is there to compare? fallout 3 likely costs a heck of a lot less to make than fallout 4. and we all know the new tactics are to sell dlc to compensate. don't like it don't buy it. simple.

d) the whining and having to explain to people is getting ridiculous. he said the price is still the same if you pre-ordered you will get all that content for the same price. you can also pay the same price now and are giving lots of warning that the price will go up. so as a consumer it's up to you to take that gamble. but again this dlc is not dire to the game as the game itself was already a $60 game most people were quite happy with.

the internet has fueled a bunch of critics out there who have now made it their full time job to bash and attack and whine just about anything.

[Omnisonne]

The way I see it, that 3rd DLC with the new area and Valentine (Far Harbor) will cost 24.99 seperately, which i'm most interested in.
For the moment the season pass is only 5 bucks/euros more, so I'm fine with paying those 5 euros more. So thats 5 euros for basically the rest of the DLC content aside from Far Harbor, hardly a loss.

Now I understand the trick for pushing the sales by Beth, but atleast they let you know what they will be selling beforehand with the respective prices, so you have a clear idea what's up.

[xPhearR3dx]

How is it a shitty practice? If you were going to develop X amount of content for 30 bucks, then suddenly you got bigger and better ideas and can over (for example) 3x the amount of content, why shouldn't they charge more for it. The problem is, everyone is entitled and feels like they are owed something for nothing. Yes, the first two DLC packs are small things, but we don't know exactly how deep they are or how much content is in those. So saying "oh you can simply download a mod" isn't the answer.

Like you said, the 3rd DLC which is more of an expansion pack is $25. I just paid $24 for the Season Pass over at GMG. So I saved a buck and I'm getting that DLC along with every other piece of DLC for free upon release.

The best part about this is, you have options. You can simply not buy it. Buy only some, or buy all of it.

[Herpofderpopol]

Didn't they say these first 3 were the first round of the season pass? There will be another 2 rounds, and I'll assume they'll be similar with 2 large story packs and 2 similar to the protectotron and workshop dlc. So considering that, plus the fact that they gave us another 2 weeks or so to get the pass at 30$, I really see no reason to complain.
*4 of the smallerpacks, 2 in each round I mean

[hellothere1977]

don't like it, send the message and don't buy it. or get a job and don't whine about what hard working people ask for the luxury goods they are making. you're seriously starting to sound like those entitled SJWs and feminist.

only your whining isn't about perceived fairness...it's about your wallet.

[DragonKnight]

@EDMIX: Wow, how much are you selling that book for? Ok, so while Fox is incorrect that Bethesda are not actually forcing anything, here are some key points to know.

1. None of the DLC is story related. The one releasing in May is in Maine and while it does have Faction Quests, FO4's story is about the Sole Survivor finding Shaun, a task you perform in the main game with no ambiguity or room for opening it up in unexpected ways. FO4's main story is blander than Skyrim's. So, sorry, but trying to defend Bethesda witb a "you don't know it's not story related" defense ignores what happens in the main game and just how streamlined the game is.

2. Your "business" argument sucks too. I hope you don't own your own. All of these DLC packs were planned in advance. They have to be, that's the nature of efficient business. If the DLC came out a year from release, then you could argue it wasn't, but that's not the case here. The scope of the DLC was also planned in advance and should have been reflected in the initial asking price of the Season Pass. The price hike reflects either that Bethesda is greedy and knows they'll get away with it because people like you will defend them, or it reflects their incompetence at development budgetting and they bit off more than they could chew. Probably both, but unlike what PR Execs would say, the price is not a reflection of quality. Bugthesda is an apt moniker for the quality of the games, and there's no way anyone will believe that Bethesda made unprecedented improvements to the DLC in such a short timespan that would justify the price hike.

Every time I see you comment, no matter what the subject is, you rarely comment on the topic and instead find someone to oppose. Maybe remember that without people like Foxtrot, Xbox One would have been very different. Defending business doesn't help you.

[UnHoly_One]

I bought the deluxe edition at launch that included the season pass. I don't normally buy season passes, and if I do it is usually only after I know for sure what I'm going to get, but I got this one right away because (a) I love fallout, and (b) I have never been disappointed by bethesda dlc as a whole in the past. So I assumed it would be multiple good packages and well worth the 30 bucks in the end.

So for me the deal is already done. Now it's just time to wait and see if they live up to their past reputation or not.

If not, then next time I wait. No big deal.

For those of you that haven't purchased it yet you still have time to make the decision based on the current price. Even if you only care about the one big dlc, that makes up most of the current value of the season pass right there. So it's just about whether or not you think they'll come through with anything else that is a big story add-on or not.

With them raising the price to $50, I find it really hard to believe that you won't get the current $30 value out of the whole package, but I can't know that for sure. Based on what he is saying, there are some more big add-ons coming and I don't think many people would be disappointed.

[Pongwater]

I'd love to see the footage of you or anyone else being forced to buy DLC at any price.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@Pongwater

If you do not buy it now for cheaper, you can only buy it later when it is more expensive. That is effectively forcing the user into a decision: wait until they know that it is worth it and purchase at the higher price or blow 30 dollars right now with the hope that it will be worth it.

Terrifying that there are people actually defending this practice.

[USMC_POLICE]

I agree they even told people the increase is not until March giving a lot of time to buy it at 29.99 but still people complain.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

Telling someone "you better buy it now before we increase the price!" is not in good faith and is plenty of reason for people to complain. Irrelevant of how much "more content" they claim they may be adding. Far as we're aware, the current content offered by the season pass isn't even worth 30 dollars, let alone the rest being worth AN EXTRA 30 dollars. Stop supporting bad business practices. Gotta say gamers truly are pathetic at times.

[yomfweeee]

Garrett how is that not in good faith? They could have raised it without warning.

The revealed content is ALREADY worth more than $30, so why are you saying it isn't?

[DragonKnight]

The content is not worth more than $30. The robot companion pack and the additional settlement crap are $2 at the most. The expansion DLC is supposedly larger in size than any past expansion, but I'll bet that's only in map size and the expansion suffers from the same bland story telling as the main game.

[Omnisonne]

@Dragon

Did you actually play the DLC then?
So far thats baseless assumption

One could claim the main game not being worth 60$ either, yet others get over 200h+ of game time out of it.
I'd say judge for yourself once it's released, if you thought the vanilla game to be so bad

[Theparanerds]

$40 Canadian haha

[DragonKnight]

@Omnisonne: Don't have to play the DLC to know that mods the PC community can do better than Bethesda (robot companion, additional settlement items), and provide free of charge are not worth more than $2. That's basic common sense. Far Harbor is $25 for a Nick Valentine quest in Maine and additional faction quests and sidequests, likely radiant quests. The price is reflective of the map size alone. Far Harbor provides nothing that could not have been added to the base map. It's not like Dragonborn on Skyrim which added lore to the story of the Dragonborn and featured much more of Hermaeus Mora. Far Harbor will not add to anything in the main game because it can't. FO4's story is ridiculously streamlined with no room for ambiguity.

All you need to do is look at the info Bethesda has provided and you can easily see that the current DLC pack is nowhere near worth more than $30. It's barely worth that.

[Ark_]

You know that this is a marketing trick ...
It doesn't affect me, since I wait for the Goty edition. Just pointing out, that if it's working and people buy heavily into it, EA and Co will adapt their practices accordingly.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

"How is that not in good faith"

Oh, I don't know. The fact that you are forced into making the decision of blowing 30 dollars now without even getting content or waiting until you know the content is good (and available) and then spending even more money. Is this that difficult of a concept to comprehend?

[pumpactionpimp]

this is basically running in to someone on the street offering something. saying i may have it tomorrow but it will be $20 more. Then when you hand them your money, they say "Ok wait here while I get it." while they disappear in to some back alley, and you're left wondering if they will come back or not.

How could you defend the practice of giving extra money up front, for what amounts to promises?

[sanosukegtr123]

Things get cheap eventually.

[Mr-Dude]

Well, you can buy the seasonpass for 30€ now... Buy it now and not over two weeks. It is not rocket science

[-Foxtrot]

"and we aren’t going to continue to give away $60 or more worth of DLC for $30"

Meanwhile at CD Projekt

http://static.gamespot.com/...

[Mr-Dude]

I am a huge fan of CD Projekt, but if you buy the season pass now, you get everything. Am I wrong?

Edit: I read your comment above again, this time without my fanboy goggles

I get your point, but Bethesda isn't the first to do this.. Techland did it to, and many more are sure to follow. It's becoming a new trend..

[Goldby]

techlands tho was a full map, bigger than the original; 2 in game and a whole new story. not a new UV Fashlight that pulsed to the sounds of Gangum Style

[mogwaii]

A bad trend.

[Averyashimself]

If it's supposedly $60 worth of DLC, then it better be the same amount of content as the original game to make it worth the price.

[Skate-AK]

In theory yes, but we all know that won't happen.

[MatrixxGT]

Exactly my feelings.

[FPS_D3TH]

Cd projekt Red also had a loooot to prove. Would you care that much about Witcher 3 had it not released free DLC? I doubt it.

[bumnut]

They had nothing to prove, whitcher 1 and 2 were successful games, 3 was even better.

[Pongwater]

There are always companies giving something away. That doesn't mean the companies selling something are wrong to do so.

@garrett's 1.1.12 reply to me - You're still not forced to buy anything. Terrifying that people don't understand basic economics.

Bethesda raised the price of their combo meal. Big deal. If the price is a big problem for you, don't buy it. You guys act like your drug dealer is price gouging you for your fix.

[theXtReMe1]

If DLC packs weren't such a mystery to everybody, I don't think many would have a problem with a price increase knowing what they are getting into with it. I think the biggest issue with most developers DLC and season passes, is that gamers have no clue what is going to be included... And are left at the mercy of their $20-$30 investment and the whim of the developer, just how far they want to go with DLC.

Its why I always wait and see with DLC. If I see a developer making a good effort at giving gamers a bang for their buck, I have no problem giving them my money... but in no wsy, shape or form will I trust them and preorder a season pass. That doesnt give them any incentive to try, then we get stuff like horse armor and clothing.

CD Projekt Red is doing it right. Letting gamers know up front, that they are getting significant game expansions that further the story, add 20+ hours of gameplay and entirely new land masses. No guessing games with their content, which is the way it should be.

[Omnisonne]

CDPR is definitely playing it right, however one of the DLCs for F4 (Far Harbor) will also have a new landmass, with new side quests and places to explore. Much like TW3's DLC it will be a separate questline, not a continuation.

Its always advisable to wait and see how it turns out, though I personally enjoyed the past expansions from Fallout 3 (Point Lookout, The Pitt) so I'm not too worried

[Spoonsx]

Why does dlc anymore remind me of gas prices over the years outside of the price drop here recently. The only difference is that gasoline is a necessity, and dlc for a game is not.

Companies will price gouge you anyway possible. example: Cable providers, gas companies, electric. Why should the gaming business be any different. GREED.

[Fusion_Ninja]

If Bethesda had a poor track record for DLC, I'd have cause for concern. However, apart from Oblivion's well-publicized 'horse armor debacle', nearly EVERY piece of BethSoft add-on content going back to Morrowind has been great.

[akurtz]

and i agree. but pull out your pitchforks and fires cuz thats the edgy thing to do nowadays!

[Goldby]

hey hey, you make fun of the horse armor, but that horse armor has... well.. save... oh who am i kidding, if i could have i would have sold that armor in game a bought a fridge, aka a box with ice in it.

[sullynathan]

what? Their last good DLC was from Oblivion and that's because the base game of oblivion was poor. Every DLC in Fallout 3 was garbage except The pitt and maybe point lookout.

Skyrim also had dawnguard which was average and dragonborn which is just ok.

They don't have a track record as good as you claim.

[Fusion_Ninja]

And that is your opinion- as wildly outside the mainstream as it might be, you're entitled to it. Most people love BethSoft's DLCs and they universally have solid-to-excellent reviews.

The moment you said "Dragonborn is just ok", I stopped taking you seriously. That DLC alone is more substantive than some *whole games* I've played.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@Sullynathan

This

Crap like Mothership Zeta and Anchorage get praised like its the holy grail of addon content, yet all you did was run through a giant 1 time only linear dungeon with nothing interesting and it was very repetitive. They dont even give you any loot till the end in both of them and even then it was unsatisfying.

[sullynathan]

@Fusion you're a Bethesda fanboy so you're obviously biased but everyone knows that dragon born wasn't very good. If it's better than whole games then it is better than Skyrim, oblivion, fallout 4 and Fallout 3 because they aren't good games.

[crazychris4124]

Need more info than that if they are now charging $50. 1st 2 packs could easily be mods. Far Harbor is an expansion worth getting, not enough to justify $50 season pass.

[akurtz]

if $50 is too much, then get it for $30

[crazychris4124]

Still need more info, 2 mods and an expansion arent exactly soaking my panties

[_-EDMIX-_]

Why don't you just wait until some of it is finished? Who is telling you to buy it right now? If you feel you're going to play some of that content you might as well pay the $30 and get the discount.

If you're so concerned about every piece of the content don't buy the season pass and merely buy what you want from the DLC when it starts to release separately.

[crazychris4124]

Maybe they should finalize their DLC plans first, then offer the season pass so people know what they are getting. At this point were just guessing. Its not the money thats the issue, its the principle. Every publisher is guilty of this, this crappy practice of announcing season passes with no details is ridiculous.

[_-EDMIX-_]

But why is that a concern of yours? Thats no different then pre-ordering.

You don't know the whole game, its like saying don't have an option to buy early because you may not know the whole game.

But....what does that have to do with them? As a consumer you should have the option to. Not saying you personally should, but I don't see the harm in having it as an option.

You do have free will you know, I don't get gamer's obbesstion with trying to bend their will over to others.

If you don't buy that way, continue not to if you feel just, but stop telling companies to do things based on what you want when its merely an option you don't even have to do in the first place.

Buy the DLC when you feel like it.

You can buy it before with the pass or by it after with the pass..... or just by it separte when it releases, I see zero reason to tell them to not do something based on how you like to buy.

Who is forcing you to buy this?

Why is it even a concern of yours that its an option if your not even going to buy it until you personally hear more information?

That is like saying, we should not have an option to rent games, because Chris doesn't like renting.

We should not have an option to buy digital because Chris doesn't like digital and likes owning.

I mean.....do you not get just how stupid that logic is?

They are free to announce what ever they feel just, its their company and they make it very clear your buying something sight unseen. Stop trying to force consumers to think like you and merely except others have choice.

You can't tell and an entire industry and market whats good for them based on um "principle". Buy what you want, when you want to buy it, no one is telling you, you MUST buy this way, so why are you so dead set on calling it an "issue" when others are not calling you not buying it an "issue" of um "principle" lol.

Your free to buy it, not buy it etc. Options are nice bud, I'd rather have the option to buy when I feel like it, then force developers to only announce content that is done, they still need to market their business if someone wants to support a developer by buying early even with no details, that is their choice, not yours.

Stop worrying about how others spend their money, consider no one is telling you how to spend yours. Buy how you feel just.

[akurtz]

they did say their dlc content was already going to surpass the worth of their passed dlcs (fo3, fnv) they just in concept stages. why make your decision so difficult

[Goldby]

one robot to rule them all

[Herpofderpopol]

If you do a little bit of research, you'll find that the first 3 packs are the first round of the season pass, with 2 more to come. If they are similar to the first one and priced similarly, that will be 120 worth of content, and if the 3 new area dlcs are as big as or bigger than the far harbor is supposed to be (their biggest map on an expansion yet according to them) then it sounds more than worth it.

[TheColbertinator]

At this point its best to wait for a GOTY edition

[LamerTamer]

That is what I will do. I have the current one, when I beat it I will put it away or sell it and forget about it. When the GOTY version comes out I will buy the disc for that used and own it with bugfixes, DLC, and all.

[letsgopal]

There won't be any GOTY because FO4 didn't won GOTY award. Guess why.

[Khaotic]

Definitive edition then. Arguing semantics, you know what he meant.

[Gwiz]

There's many games with GOTY stamped on them,it just means everything included.Man people really thought they were GOTY haha that double edged marketing.

[Kal-V3]

Bethesda peaked with Fallout 3. They can keep their price gouging non-sense. I have other, better, games to play. :)

[Khaotic]

It's their game and creation. Do what they want I guess. I'll buy the dlc next year when I know what's in it completely and inevitably goes back down in price.

[Gwiz]

Why wouldn't they defend this?You think it's a coincidence they waited with this?Allowing you to build things didn't have plans to expand on selling more content?They did that in general with DLC in the entire industry.Now there's the choice of buying or not lol.That doesn't change the fact this seems to be a new and improved up sale model

[Grayshadow]

It's hard to argue with the him, very few people were disappointed with Fallout 4. It delivered a solid experience worthy of the acclaim generated by its demand. People loved it and why this does create an uneasy new standard for DLC pricing I would pay extra for Fallout 4 DLC. Bethesda has a record of delivering excellent post-launch content for all their games.

I am annoyed like a lot of you but this just pushed me to purchase the pass now before the price increase. In fact I feel like this was purposely set into motion to increase Season Pass sales, after all how many, like myself, purchase the pass now since it's going to be more expensive later. A lot more people than when Fallout 4 release that's for sure.

[sullynathan]

a lot more than a few were disappointed with Fallout 4 given that it is Bethesda's lowest rated game in over a decade while also garnering the most negative press and least amount of awards of all of their games in over a decade.

[JeffGUNZ]

Honestly Sully, you are primarily the only one who constantly complains. The main gripe were bugs and some people were upset they didn't do a new engine. Outside of that, the game is well received. I get it, you don't like it, so just move on. At this point Sully, Bethesda can cure cancer and you'd still complain.

[sullynathan]

@Jeff yup go against facts again. There was no lie in my comment yet at the same time you want to claim that I'm the only one disappointed in the game.

[dreamoner]

I don't see any issue here, they even explain and give time to buy it at previous price. If I were someone who liked/loved the game I'd even be excited for features to come but I don't like the game, it's too not-fallout to care what is being added into it, no add-on can make this game true fallout or true RPG or anything I could like.

[ApolloTheBoss]

I'll get it when I get paid. Luckily next week.

[ColonelHugh]

I'm paraphrasing, but

"We don't understand what the fuss is, gamers should be thinking rationally."
---gamingbolt

Lol, for once I actually agree with the bolt. If you are in this article, you know you don't have to pay the new price. Either you won't get it, you already got it, or you have time to get it. This is only a problem for fans not in the know, and what they don't know won't likely piss them off.

[holdmyown83]

You all seem to forget it costs money to keep this ish up. They all have mouths to feed just like everyone else.

[JeffGUNZ]

Exactly. Gamers these days think they are entitled to free DLC. These people work for years to make a game and sell it. Then after release, they support it with patches and then develop DLC to continue the life of the game. When I was growing up we didn't have patches or DLC, you paid the price of a game and you got what you got. These people are working more hours and developing more content then initially planned, yet they don't deserve to get paid? Please. I'd like to see a lot of these entitled people work at their jobs over their 40 hour work week and be perfectly fine working for free.

People need to understand that gaming is a hobby and not a right.

[Rachel_Alucard]

"They have mouths to feed" is a poor defense as it implies people expect them to give everything away free and it labels them as being broke when clearly they are nowhere near that level of budget.

[JeffGUNZ]

No, it does not. It implies that they work to support themselves and their families. Why do people go to work, just to have fun? You work to support yourself and your family. So they should only be paid for the work they do for the original game then after launch the days they go to work for support/dlc shouldn't be counted? They are working more hours and longer periods of time then planned, so yes, they have mouths to feed. If they end up working for free, they will become broke fast. Also, these people who work in studios make a decent living, but the big money isn't seen by the average Joe working on the game, it's the heads and leads of the projects but overall, the publisher. These guys are not millionaires and regardless of their salaries, they do more work and invest more hours they will be and should be compensated for that.

[Pongwater]

"...it implies people expect them to give everything away free"

There are comments and agrees above yours saying exactly that.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@jeff

Who said anything about wanting them to work for free? Theres other ways to pay the devs without having the buyer suffer the blowback from the budget and spending. The price hike is the new tactic to recuperate losses from overestimating the number of units that needed to ship. It allows them to backtrack their budget without overselling to the buyer.

[BuildTheWall]

Defending the raise in price to the season pass when it was announced / confirmed to be $29.99 before the game was released?

[Night99]

I will buy Fallout 4 when the game is complete all on 1 Disc, I am sick of buying semi-finished games with only a half game on Disc for 60 at release and with big Story chunks left out for overpriced DLC.

I will defiantly only buy complete games from now on.

[starforge71]

I will be waiting for goty so i dont get ripped off with all this season pass crap

[wheatley]

"...they are basically giving far more than they promised, for the same price as promised, to everyone who already bought the Season Pass..."

No amount of DLC was promised though, I have bought the Season Pass and was basing it off the amount of DLC we got before. But they now actually have to produce an entire new game's worth of content to justify that the season pass now costs as much as the original game cost at launch. The price increase is there to make people who already bought the Pass, as well as anyone who buys it before March, smug in the fact they (may) have bought a bargain. The DLC will be worth half of the game, they can price what they want but it won't be worth as much as the original game.

[JamesBroski]

I'm pretty sure all Fallout 3 DLC cost $50 though, and I never heard anyone complain about them

[DoubleTTB22]

It's a death by a thousand cuts thing. People are very slow to realize what is happening to them if the damage is spread out. Its why people that know very well about things like cancer and diabetes will still smoke and drink a soda with every meal anyways. The consequences aren't until later. If they heard that the DLC for Fallout 3 was going to be $50 from the get go, while social media wasn't quite what it is today it was pretty big, and there would have been a sizable outcry. Basically people are generally incapable of adequately assessing long term consequences even when given the proper information. Most people don't even remember (or ever even realized) that the DLC was $50 in total, despite them knowing the math of 10 times 5 very well.

[Yetter]

I can't believe there is so much controversy over this.

[bwoodling]

I got my season pass for $24 by using a 20% off coupon my gf got with her new PS4 for Xmas :) Winning.

[fluxmulder]

Story DLC please. Don't really care about stuff like Robot gladiator wars. We can get that with mods. What this game desperately needs is more story and quests.

[Poroz]

I don't support Dlc unless it's in a goty edition.

[SojournUK]

What price is it going up to in the UK?

[Maxor]

Lets put this in perspective.

Dark Souls 3 can be preorded for $35.
Xcom 2 can be bought for $35.
Raise of The Tomb Raider $35.

For the console the price increase is cringe worthy but it's not like you have options. But for PC gamers the price increase doesn't make any sense. You get two DLCs that are basically paid mods and one DLC campaign for $50. Sounds like the best option for PC gamers is the skip the season pass and buy the DLC campaign only.

[JamesBroski]

I laugh at the comments here. Bethesda first planned to release 30$ worth of DLC, but then decided to make even more content for the game, so instead of making a second season pass (like Evolve), they decided to give all that content for free for everyone who already bought it AND gave a 2 weeks notice for everyone who might be interested, and people complain about that?

But by reading the comments here, it seems like people didn't even read the articles at all (like usual) since most of them don't even know Bethesda are planning to add 60$ worth of content.

[alfcrippinjr]

dont mind paying for some dlc so long it gives me more story to the game and more 8 play hours.

none of these bullshit one like aliens dlc that last for 40 mins

[Drithe]

All you have to do is wait 6 months and the price drops by 50%. Play other games people! Enjoy this gen and relax! You dont have to buy the DLC when it first comes out. Developers know the fanatics of their games will pay any price they impose.

Stick it to the developers and let them know where they belong in the world. IF they dont like it that we wait to pay for far less than what they want, then they can go get regular jobs like the rest of us and see how that turns out.

[thricetold]

Eh, makes no difference to me as I NEVER buy single player only games at full price. What's the point? Complete waste of money. I'll sit back and laugh at all those who are too impatient to wait for the complete edition for a vastly diminished price tag.