The next generation of consoles will let developers build "far more dynamic", "interactive" and "believable" worlds than the PS4 and Xbox One currently allow for, according to Criterion's former technology director Paul Ross.
I know that VR will play a huge role for next gen consoles. But still have a long way ahead for the next gens to come out. So at the moment, I'm just going to take things as a grain of salt.
It gonna come most likely in Q4 2020. Still far away.
Definitely far away, let's just focus on this generation for now rather than speculating on next generation.
I'd say 2018-19.
Not that far away 2018.. 2019 the absolute latest. Last gen was a one off and a huge leap from the previous gen (ps2) but the leap from last gen to current gen wasn't a huge one. 5/6 years previous gens have gone, and I think this one will follow the rule rather than the exception.
Way, way off the mark if you think these consoles will last until Q4 2020! Like the others have said, realistically we're looking 2018 - Q1 2019 at latest. Both the big dogs at both Microsoft & Sony have both publically stated it wont be as long as last gen.. like someone already said, last gen was a one off & used advanced tech. This gen has just re-wrapped old tech under a new flavor of label to whatever the recent buzz word is. Wishful thinking but these consoles will have become stale by 2018.
2020. PS5 and xbox2 are NOT coming any earlier than Q4 2019, 2018 is ridiculous. You ppl claiming 2018 are saying that the PS4/Xb1 will last only as long as the Wii u (approximately). Consider that the new God of War hasn't even been announced yet, TLoU 2, you think these are PS5? No. Consider how well PS4 is selling, why would Sony end its lifespan short if it's blowing the doors off still?
'Consider how well PS4 is selling, why would Sony end its lifespan short if it's blowing the doors off still?' Because just maybe the competitors have released new consoles by then?
"Because just maybe the competitors have released new consoles by then?" Console manufacturers had better be careful about how fast they come out with a new system, else they run the risk of being the next Sega. Dropping a console in favor of a newer, shinier one can have the effect of making people wary of trusting their money to a system that may only last 4 -5 years.
@Jyndal The ps2 released 5 years after the ps1 and it is the best selling console of all time.
i'm hoping the next generation is an actual evolution from the last. this generation didn't seem like a major jump to me but it is understandable since they want to offer affordable systems that can make profits early on.
i'm with most others...I'd guess concrete rumors showing up by mid to late 2017, official announcements in 2018 with hardware showing up no later than 2019... it really comes down to what MS does...There is no denying they're going to original xbox this gen and have something ready sooner rather than later...that is exactly how the 360 came to be, and was a move that paid off until they fumbled with the xbox one...every year that ticks by is just MS giving up additional market share, and they have plenty of resources to slow or stop that, so its really up to how they handle it... 2020 is simply unrealistic imo...MS won't let that happen...maybe sony waits that long if the VR stuff takes off...but I would be blown away if MS rode the xbox one through 6 consecutive losing years, so no doubt there will at the very minimum...be new xbox hardware before the end of the decade...and Sony will most likely be forced into new hardware releases only because of MS's attempts to 'erase' the current situation and start over...
no point bringing anything out until many devs get there finger out and build new engines rather than tweaked crap!!!
The important factors when it comes to release of a new console depends on 1. The gamers 2. Publishers These are the two big market forces that in a way are interdependent. If publishers continue to publish great experiences and gamers keep buying them then the need for next gen gets moves back. MS or Nin can release their new consoles as early as they want but if publishers and gamers are not ready yet to let go of current gen then they will not fare well. It is why I am predicting the next Nin console the NX will not fare well. Look, if publishers are publishing games and gamers keep buying them in bigger numbers year on year then there is no incentive for publishers especially 3rd parties to invest in new gen game dev when they are making a killing on current gen. As the gaming industry keeping expanding and making more money I doubt publishers and gamers are willing to move soon. I don't see revenue/profit decreasing any time soon. At least another 3-4 years so late 2019 or early 2020 is more likely. Heck Rockstar hasn't release a game this gen yet. All the Sony big hitters have not released yet. COD has just started and has not reach their peak sales this gen yet including all EA franchises. This is because this gen is still only 60+million sofar. We should not see game sales slow down until the 180 millon console mark like last gen (53m PS3, 55m X30, 72m plus WII). The big difference this time around is that the bulk will be PS4 and X1 which is perfect for 3rd party publishers as it means a much bigger market for core gamers they can sell to which means its much easier for them to support longer.
Wow, really? Back to my previously scheduled surfing then...
they really should already consider the support for VR for next gen.. just like with racing wheels.. supporting gadgets you make is always a good thing!! And make 4 USB ports (at least) for PS5 again!
As long as it has backwards compatibility support out of the box id support a 4 year cycle.
Woot! Look at the bickering! Every PS console has come out approx 5 to 7 years after the prior one's release date. So there you go! It could be 2018... It could be 2020... It could be whenever Sony decides...
How can these current consoles survive till 2020? hahahahaha......just thinking about consoles cracks me up.
wow what an info.. PS8 will let developers build far more interactive worlds.. You heard it here first.
@IamTylerDurden1 "Consider how well PS4 is selling, why would Sony end its lifespan short if it's blowing the doors off still?" Well, it works like this: Pretend all the people who have bought a PS4 are on one side of a fence and everyone who hasn't is on the other. The more you sell, the less people there are who haven't bought one . . . Meaning the number of people who have yet to buy one dwindles. Eventually, the number of people on that side of the fence is so small that it becomes harder and harder to sell. That's the reason companies release slim versions of consoles, special editions, or products like the New 3DS. It's a big reason (besides other, obvious ones) that the Wii tanked at the end of its life and the PS3 sold very well towards the end of its life. It would be phenomenal if the PS4 continued to sell as well as it is now for another two or three years, four years? Not impossible, but it would be a shock. Even if fans think it will, Sony can't really count on that and they're probably planning for that sales dip now.
The ps4 sale nice its the only reason why whe will maybe wait until 2018-2019.But the reason why it wont be to long is the power...both console are kind of underpowered ...8go of memory is perfectly acceptable but low cpu and gpu power is not.Sony and microsoft did with the economy at the time but i think a 50$ on a more powerfull cpu/gpu combo would have been preferable and would'nt really affect the sales on the long run
Not much to take, really. Next gen will allow for more believable worlds...very insightful. In other news, the gaming landscape will be markedly different in 10 years' time.
Yeah I read through this and I'm like: "Wait whatttt?! PS5 will be able to doo moar stuffz?!" OMG! Like no effin way! So totally radical! Holy be-jeebus! You don't say! How about telling us specifically HOW the PS5 will allow devs to build more dynamic worlds instead of the most cliché way of saying games are going to gett better and better with time. Which is of course a no brainer.
Yeah, but I think what isn't as obvious at this time is that I think the cloud would make far more dynamic and interactive worlds. It is perfect for this! XBL Cloud Compute and Crackdown 3 physics, tied with smart AI like Driveatar in Forza 5 & 6, and you can have it in the next 1-2 years. The cloud will beat next generation console now! Let alone then when the next generation releases.
VR will always be a gimmick. I highly doubt it will ever take off, because I don't think people really truly want it. There are some hardcore gamers who would but it, but the core market won't get into it enough for it to become mainstream. You might say, good, we like it that way... But it will never be big until it hits mainstream
People want the Holodeck, VR is a stepping stone to that. People want VR, they just don't want a hefty price and lack of content. VR is not like motion controls or 3D.
People definitely want the holodek, and VR is the technological stepping stone, but that doesn't mean people want VR. Just watch, VR fell flat in arcades, it'll fall flat on consoles. People don't really want that kind of immersion without proper tactile feedback. True VR just isn't possible. Even AR is probably higher in demand. But I guess we will see soon when these devices come out...
@WilliamSheridan, arcade machine hardware is weaksauce compared to home consols and PCs. Has been for ages.
I believe vr will take off but not for a long time definitely not this gen and probably not next gen either
@frostypants Arcade hardware is, and always will be, more powerful than consoles due to simple economics. In the past, consoles would struggle to maintain arcade quality. Currently the only reason games are arcade quality is because the arcade market died and now instead of porting from arcade to console it's done the other way around. But, think of arcades as the pc market, since that's basically what they are/were. They are always more powerful than consoles, always. It's just up to the developer on how much they want to spend...
You are comparing 90s arcade tech to today's tech and saying arcade technology is still better. I tried vr back in the 90s and the graphics were comparable to star fox on the snes it was that bad and the latency was horrendous it was like being drunk. You moved your head and then image caught up with you. Dk1 was leaps and bounds more advanced than 90s arcade vr never mind dk2 and now cv1/psvr/vive
I don't care for it. People say they do but once it's out there for everyone to get, not many will have. Either it costs too much for them or it costs too much to not be able to use with friends. Now that hololens. That's breaking barriers. I am micro biased. I can't lie
"VR will always be a gimmick. I highly doubt it will ever take off" VR will eventually be huge, there is very little doubt in my mind. Games or other virtual worlds for people to explore with friends or alone, virtual concerts and sporting events, virtual classes or field trips into the past present or future for students, virtual trips to big gatherings or conventions whether they're political, business related things like seminars, or something like E3, Virtual trips to the space station, moon, Mars, etc, virtual tours of famous cities that can even transport the viewer into the past... The possibilities are incredible. Whether the time is now or not is the question, but when the price is right VR will explode just like television did as long as the quality and content are there.
I agree, I see multiple people echoing BigBosss' sentiment of "I know that VR will play a huge role for next gen consoles", but I don't see it. I think it will play NO role in the next gen console, because I think it will fail miserably. It'll stick around on PC, but mostly because it can be used for anything instead of just games. It will not last on console. Just my personal prediction.
completely agree. If you really take a second to think about it, VR is really the only "gamble" this gen has invested itself in thus far. Aside from that, its tough to say ive seen a ton of innovation come from this generation in comparison to the last. "far more dynamic, interactive worlds" is a progression I still look to my playstation 4 and xbox one for.
Exactly... I'll believe it when it launches, I would of thought we would of been playing in those worlds now considering how long last gen dragged on so a grain of salt it is..
In the meantime ps4 will keep us occupied.
I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of interface devices will come out for VR. I'm building a cockpit for racing and flying games before VR arrives, but I'd like to see some interesting motion controls or an interface for a stationary bike. You could have online bike races with steering and everything.
Next-gen consoles with bigger and better interactive worlds, they say? Can you say "SpaceEngine," that's all I gotta say. https://m.youtube.com/watch...
When I read that headline I thought maybe this was a gamingbolt article. Of course the next systems will allow for more immersive worlds! Every system that succeeds the previous does that. How stupid to even say that. Also the whole "grain of salt" thing looks like it needs some clarifying I too think VR will play a major role next generation. This is only the beginning as far as VR is concerned
Agreed. Too soon.
@Moldybread killzone 3 (PS3) vs Killzone Shadowfall (PS4) show's massive visual difference. https://www.youtube.com/wat... Gears Of War (Xbox360) vs Gears of war 4 (Xbox One) massive visual difference. https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... if moore's law is still applied? except cpu which reached the cealing. PS5 should be abled to finally achieve Avatar graphics. ---- PS1 CPU 32-bit (33mhz) GPU 32-bit (33mhz) System RAM 2mb Video RAM 1mb PS2 CPU 64-bit (299mhz) GPU 6.2 FLOPS (147mhz) System RAM 32mb Video RAM 4mb PS3 CPU (3.2ghz) GPU (500mhz) System RAM 256mb XDR (3.2ghz) Video RAM 256mb GDDR3 (228.8 GFLOPS) (700mhz) PS4 CPU x86/64 AMD "Jaguar" eight cores (1.6GHz) GPU 1843 TFLOPS (5500 MHz) System RAM + Video Ram 8gb GDDR5 (5500MHz) PS5 ESTIMATES CPU 3-4ghz 8-12 cores minimum GPU 15-20 TFLOPS minimum System Ram + Video Ram 32-64GB minimum
Avatar graphics? (Chuckles) I like your comment and spec info, but that's not gonna happen my little boy :)
32-64 gb minimum? Hate to break it to you, but that much ram isn't really necessary at this point. Not to mention ram prices were steady for a few years. I would say 32gb at the most, probably more like 16-24.
It's sort of like the NFL power rankings right after the Super Bowl.
but they say this type of thing each and every year - nothing new.
Let PS4 last, but when PS5 does come it will be epic
No way! Doesn't that happen with every new console? It's more powerful so developers are able to do more.
But they don't always because it takes more time and effort (and usually money) to do. What game this gen used the increased console power for anything other than visuals?
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Well, in this generation, visuals are pretty much the main selling point for games right now.
They said the same thing with the PS4/Xbone. It's stating a very simple fact and passing it off as journalism. Do what other wise people do, and downvote this crap!
You don't say.
I would imagine this means the developers have just gotten the PS5/Xbox3 development kits. Games in general take about 3 to 4 years to make, and if they get the development kits now, they can get the games ready for the next gen launch. Seems to add up.
Things haven't massively improved since Half Life 2 in 2004. What a game.
Don't no why people are disagreeing with you, half life 2's levels were and still are incredible.
HL2 was great, but I disagree that certain things in gaming haven't massively improved since then. Sure, much of it is cosmetic, but immersion has undoubtedly been greatly improved by better graphics and sound alone. Better AI is also a biggie.
@Pongwater I would have to disagree that AI has improved significantly. Playing a FPS single player still feels more or less the same. I see AI do completely irrational things or glitch out that has been present in pretty much most games. AI needs to become smart enough to have self preservation (like running away when outnumbered or scared)
Fear 1 still has the best ai.
Didn't developers also said similiar things regarding PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4? It is only only logical that that would be the case.
Well you are right Captain Obvious...Oh wait, you are? Daaaaaamn! Edit: Just in case...I'm messing with you dude ;-) As for the actual PS5/xb2 they better make sure they can do proper 1080p 60+fps...
They can do "proper 1080p 60+fps" now. But devs generally choose to put more of the horsepower towards higher quality textures and effects. In a better world, they'd give us some in-game options (kind of like PCs have, but maybe more straight forward) to choose higher FPS in exchange for lower quality textures. PROOF: Even the PS3 could do this. Wipeout HD was 1080p and 60fps. They just built the entire game around that requirement. BTW, anything over 60fps is arguably pointless for consoles given that the vast majority of TVs are 60Hz native (the ones that advertise 120Hz and higher are generally only emulating it using downstream post-processing tricks which have nothing to do with the source, and enabling it will result in lag). EDIT: Which of these points do you disagree with? I even provided evidence.
Actually there is a game releasing soon that will allow consoles to have basic graphical settings. I can't remember the name of it but I think it's an EA game. I saw a video about it yesterday. So we'll be able to see if people truly prefer performance over texture quality on consoles soon. It's just basic settings like removing motion blur, adjusting aliasing, things like that.
@DragonKnight, that is awesome, and is exactly what we need more of. A lot of PC gamers on lesser rigs who brag about 60fps are getting there by exactly those sorts of tweaks that console gamers simply have no control over. It makes a big difference in FPS games...I'd kill AA every time (or use something less intensive like FXAA) in exchange for better fps.
they'll be pushing 4K by then and I predict the consoles will still be struggling to hit 60fps because developers will use the performance budget to push higher visual details and effects. Or we'll get upset because developers 'downgraded' their visuals to 'only' 1800p to hit 60 :)
@frosty: Looked it up and it's allegedly The Division that will have those settings. If that's true, I wonder how the downgrade debate will change.
@frosty Agreed. BTW by proper 1080p 60fps I mean with advanced quality settings that would satisfy any graphics obsessed individual, including yours truly.