Sony's PS3: High-Scorer No More

Wall Street's Take on Sony and the PS3.

"After more than a decade at the top of the video game heap, during which it sold more than 200 million consoles, Sony (SNE - news - Cramer's Take - Rating) is set to be knocked off its firm position as King of the Hill because of its flawed PlayStation 3 strategy. This is only one of many reasons to avoid shares of the consumer-electronics conglomerate, but it's certainly the most important..."

[Juevani]

How much did they pay you to say that??

[OutLaw]

I have the PS3 aswell but it's obvious that Sony took a big risk with the Blu Ray technology. Only time will tell if it is a mistake or a success.

[Sphinx]

You should use your bubble more wisely.

[Syko]

For another bubble? Cause I have a bundle of 2 bubbles and a 60gig PS3 for the craptacular price of $399 buy it now JR!!

[SPAWN]

Did you say Juevani?

[videl]

i guess much. can ppl stop to post such bs. we are here for gaming, and for such idiotism.

[nice_cuppa]

f em in the a

[THAMMER1]

The fact is the PS3 is not as attractive to real people as it is to the blind Sony Zombies. Untill you relize that there is a world with or with out PS3 you will feel better about people not agreeing with you.

This is an poular site to investers and common people alone. do you know the effect this will have on a person who is not a Sony fan boy? I think you do know the effect's an article like this one will have that why your claiming the author was paied. Sucks to be a die hard Sony fan some times dose it not.

[power of Green]

PS2 got real cheap so the walmart bulk of the industry eat the PS2 up, the single mother of 4 or 5 that buy games to calm down loud kids isn't going to buy a $600 console ect. ect.

[SimmoUK]

That article made me laff again, funny how people have such short memory's isn't it. Wasn't it exactly the same scenario when PS2 launched, yep I think you'll find it was. Oh and what was it that sold the console oh yeah the great games that Sony owned yes that was it. So when Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, F1, GTHD are all around will people buy the console and even more when the bigger hits come of course they will is your answer. In the next three month's you will see the media do a complete u-turn up until the Europe launch and beyond...

Put it this way Sony could of released at exactly the same time as Microsoft with different Hardware and made it an absolute walk over but they waited on for better technology and that's why i'm selling my 360 in February and getting a PS3 in March it's only the start...

[slugg]

Sony has made too many mistakes this time. They came out a year after Microsoft with a more expensive machine that has features most people will barely use. Their production problems on top of this, which has led to a smaller installed base, means more developers will make games for the 360 or the 360 as well, so Sony will have less exclusives this time. Look what they have lost already-- VF 5, Assassins Creed, GTA IV, etc. So, in a way you are right, the games matter most to consumers, and the 360 will have most of them this time.

[THAMMER1]

Do you remeber saying the PS3 launch was going to be world wide too. And that all of the PS3 launch games would out do current 360 games.

Have thought about the fact that reson why Sony and Sony fan boy get a bad rap is because of the lies and over hype.

Every thing that you people said made the 1st xbox a flop is what the PS3 is today + the BR drive. SO STOP THE HATE AND WAKE UP. $600.00 for a toy is too much. The PS3 willnotfly untill the price drops.

[MicroGamer]

The launch games and most of the games for a while after all sucked. It was the cheap DVD movie playback and backwards compatibility with PS1 that got people to hold off on buying a Dreamcast to wait for PS2. $299 was a very reasonable price for PS2 at the time and people could afford to pay it. $499 and $599 for PS3 may be reasonable considering the cost of the components inside, but they are not affordable prices for most people. The games that are out now for PS3 are also not a selling point for the system. There aren't enough really great games out yet to justify buying it now. A year from now it will be better, but by then there will be too many Wii's and 360's sold for Sony to catch up.

[tk]

THAMMER
You just don't get it do you? The PS3's are flying of the shelves. Sony can not keep up with production at the moment. But it does not matter really, as even more PS2's are flying of the shelve than XB360's (oh, where did the original go - dropped ehh?)

For those who want the lower cost one, there will be pink, silver, blue, purple and green or red PS2's plenty. And new titles that will keep on coming out even to 2008.

For those who want to "upgrade", there is the PS3, and the ones upgrading compared to the bulk of the market are much less. Yep, the prices will come down, like the PS2 prices came down. At the moment, all is going well. PS2's are still in demand, PS3's are becoming available, titles are becoming available. BluRay titles are hitting the shelves.

The PS3 will be a high scorer again. It is just the diputs sloof that will try and pretend that all is doom and gloom.

Oh, and the viral marketers, trollers and paid analysts / bloggers.

[slugg]

If you look at Sony and Microsoft as companies, Microsoft is in a much better place financially. This will definitely matter in the long run-- the 360's price will drop sooner and faster than the PS3 can match. Look at last time-- the PS2 had a year head start and the Xbox had to try and match all of the PS2's price drops, etc., and Microsoft lost a ton of money. This time, Microsoft is already making money on the 360 itself, and the high attach rate is not hurting things, either. Sony, meanwhile, is bleeding money on the PS3, losing 250-300 dollars per unit sold, and the PS3's low attach rate is killing them. Think what you want, but even a huge company like Sony can't bleed money forever.

[SimmoUK]

Slugg you don't know what your talking about PS2 was the one that was late to the market you idiot... The games sold the sytem and it will happen again it's just people have short memory's I heard the same BS last genertaion...

[slugg]

A shorter memory than you. The Dreamcast came out before the PS2, but the Xbox and Gamecube came out a year later, on the same day. Sony used its year head start and greater installed base to get more exclusive games for the PS2; with the PS3 they don't have EITHER advantage. The PS3 will lose to the Wii in Japan and the 360 everywhere else. Deal with it.

[Syko]

Before you go slamn' people jackass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

As you can see the xbox was released a year later, just like your beloved PS3. Mind your tounge boy!

Just to back up Slugg too about the Dreamcast, Check

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[cybervike]

IMO I think was PS2 was competing with Dreamcast NOT Xbox...Microsoft had not even released a console before. Sega came out first (a la 360) and then PS2 second (PS3). Now I don't think Xbox 360 will die off like Dreamcast did but all this "PS3 lost it's crown" talk is hilarious. It came out 2 months ago, hasn't even been released in Europe yet for God sake and sites/places are writing it off. Give it until Christmas 07 then we'll see what's up. But it's all open for debate I suppose which is why I'm typing this to begin with.

[MicroGamer]

even though PS2 was released after Dreamcast, the Sony propaganda machine was able to stifle Dreamcast sales to the point where they were eventually driven from the market. They tried it again with the 360 but failed. 360's 13 month lead means more than the lead that Dreamcast had because MS was still able to sell consoles in spite of all of the Sony hype.

[cybervike]

Well the propaganda machine worked pretty good it seems as PS2's did very well but yes it is different this time around not exactly the same scenario. Sony does tend to hype things up a bit but I was (still am) very pleased with my PS2 purchase and look forward to PS3...once the price comes down. Yeah I think they bit off a little more than they can chew this time with the price point...I don't mind blu-ray at all but $600 is steep no matter how you slice it.

Just seems a lot of people are trying to make it seem like PS2 was going head-to-head with Xbox and I don't see it that way at all. Xbox was the "mystery machine" nobody knew if it would take off or bomb so they couldn't really give to much attention to it in that regard. Sega was a bigger name in consoles (at that time) than Microsoft.

[FadeToBlack]

If you think the 360 is gonna go the way of the dreamcast, you must have your head up your ass. Why don't you check the financial status of of Sony, Sega, and Microsoft. Even at its current price point the 360 is right on its predicted sales figures. The 360 also enjoys a great game attachment rate, especially when you compare it to the Ps3's bleak attach rate of under 2 games. MS has enough money to drop the price of the 360 right now without even feeling it because the consol is actually making money on every unit. So if you reflect the current financial status of both sony and MS, if anyone is going the way of the dreamcast it would be sony as a whole, especially if bluray fails.

[SimmoUK]

Lose to the 360 everywhere? PS3 has already outsold 360 in Japan and exactly the same thing will happen in Europe once it launches. America is the one with install base at the moment and also the place i'm sick of hearing these stupid articles from... Man it makes me think that America thinks it is the world sometimes... No offence to the americans that can see therough the rubbish...

[Monchichi025]

Don't hate on America because whether you like it or not, we are the Rulers of the world Media. What makes America so powerful is that our media is spread out throughout the world with great significance. No matter what country you go to, you will always be able to get American information. I'm not saying this to say "America is so great" because I'm not. That is just the way it is. The world holds America under a great big microscope so anything that happens here gains more significance then if it would happen somewhere else. Love it or Hate it.

And as for your own point of view?!? Funny how your commenting on the PS3's greatness since you are in Europe! The PS3 has not even launched there so you are only basing your opinions on hopes. Here in America we have had the PS3 launch so we know what failure the PS3 is. Come November, IF it launches, the European fan boys will finally witness firsthand what we already experienced here and you too will start disappearing like so many former American PS3 fanboys already have. Notice how quiet they are on this site since the PS3 launched?!?!

[Alymon]

Stop bashing on countries... holy f-ing sh-t.

This isn't about America vs Japan... or Japan vs Europe... or Europe vs America... this is about gaming.

The only reason the PS3 is outselling the 360 in Japan is because the Japanese consumer is 100% loyal to Japanese products. It's their f-ing culture! It has nothing to do with which system is better.

Sony has lost all of their advantages they had with the PS2. They have lost most of their exclusives, they have lost the time jump over Microsoft, they have lost product loyalty (in external nations). They have created a bad name for themself across numerous other product lines (exploding laptop batteries ring a bell?) and they have alienated much of their fan base (What was it their executives said.... if you really want a PS3 you'll work harder or get an additional job to pay for it?).

You are blind if you think Sony has as much of a chance as they did with the PS2.

Their success with the PS2 was about 2 things... product loyalty and timing.

They may still come out on top as far as market share goes, but they have lost much of their ground that they claimed with the PS2. The most optimistic analysts claim that Sony won't pull out with more than 50% of the market share, and most are saying they won't even hit that (IIRC they had over 70% of the market share before). With so much riding on the PS3 for them, they can't afford to lose that much of the market share even if they do come out slightly on top.

Open your eyes. But don't make unsubstantiated claims like "oh well they came out on top before so they will definitely do it again". The market has changed and the tide is turning and its no longer screaming Sony. Its showing a more even playing field in which Sony can't make absurd claims and get away with it simply because they are Sony.

[MicroGamer]

IS that the price for the PS3 will be even higher than USA and Japan. You're going to be paying $800 or more and there won;t be a less expensive 20gb version. PS3 is region free and the power supply is 110/220 compatible, so importers are bringing them in and swapping the power cable for one with a UK adaption. The demand for PS3 is going to be blunted by those who can't wait until March and are buying them on ebay. Sony is not going to gain any ground in Europe at all.

[videl]

how can you say that the ps3 is a failure ? xbox360 is a failure, its is american crap. i live in europe and i have imported a ps3. and i know how great this machine is, you dumb ignorant asshole. not all ppl in the world are idiots, you get what you pay for you moron. nice 600 bucks is alot but you get the best console, and not this crap for 400 bucks. mark my words, in the end of 2007 the ps3 will lead again, with nintend, ms will die again, atleast with such a crap console.

[nice_cuppa]

the ps2 was never 600 bucks.
the tech is not as good as 360 for games...
for streaming data its a monster but thats not how games work.
the disc can store lots of texture and game info.
the memory available is less than 360 so that is nul and void.
and the cost of game production and the s l o w as f blu-ray nul and voids that too.
look at resistance . its 15 gig or something and i dont think it shows do you ?
look at the developers. if you look there is a interview with a ubisoft guy stating they had to scale down vegas for ps3 due to lack of memory.
its a fact ps2 sold so well as it was cheep.
it had more games as it sold well.

now 360 is in this possition and is also easy and fast to develop for and then convert to pc or from pc to 360 giving a massive userbase at minimal cost.
dont worry people the fan boys will slowly dissapear as sony does.

[SimmoUK]

360 doesn't have the space enjoy your next gen disc swapping it's only going to get worse...

360 has 15 average titles which doesn't equal 1 amazing title in alot of people's books...

There is no motion sensing which will be more relivant in the future...

It's as loud as jumbo jet and really p*sses me off when i'm in bed...

XBL Arcade sucks with your 50mb limit it's like being stuck in the middle ages with old arcade games...

Microsoft doesn't own the best game and movie studios in the world Sony does...

Going online costs you where as is it's free on PS3...

Sony soon will have a library with quality games because they know it's not quantity that counts...

[Grown Folks Talk]

are you telling us the 360 is so good, you play it in your sleep?

[xfrgtr]

Exactly, and the 360 is bleeding because of the wii and the ps3,where are the 10 millions xbox360 sold?There are about 1.5 million ps3 already.

[drewlusk]

Can the PS3 connect to my PC to stream music, picture slideshows, and hd-video? My 360 does!!! I have every movie I own stored on my PC hard drive and I stream them to my 360 to watch. I store my dvd's away after they are ripped to my pc.

Does your PS3 online allow me to communicate with my friends online no matter what game they are playing? My 360 does?

Does your PS3 allow me the choice of what add-ons I need or want for my system? My 360 does?

Does your HD PS3 come with HD cable to hook up to your HDTV? No sold separately. My 360 came HD-ready.

Tell me my friend what advantage does the PS3 have over my 360? The cell? Wow I want to go out now and spend $600(console)+ $100 (HDmi Cable) + $50 (extra controller) $120 (2 games)because the PS3 has the cell.

PS3 does not offer any service that is worth my money. I would buy it if it was better than the 360 in the points I made above. But the PS3 does not and will not compare to the all around entertainment system that the 360 is. Put both side by side and I could show you features that would blow the PS3 out of the water.

[Alymon]

Simmo... man... you are hilarious..... you should make it in the next Darwin awards book.

To quote and retort:

"360 doesn't have the space enjoy your next gen disc swapping it's only going to get worse... "

Um.... I have yet to see any disc swapping for the 360. Congratulations you can make sh-t up.

To add on.... most titles are now developed for multiple systems. The biggest difference between the PS3 and the 360 obviously being disc size. Guess what... no developer is going to waste time filling 50gb of content on a disc for the PS3 when they can do 10gb on a DVD and sell it for the same price. All cross-platform games are going to only utilize a DVD's worth of space. Most games are cross platform now. The only games you will see take advantage of Blu-Ray will be 1st party games. And even that will be few and far between as the development costs for 50 gb of content vs 10gb of content are alot different and we all know, it's all about profit. Unless Sony developers start charging $70+ dollars for games that take advantage of the storage space, I doubt you'll see many.

"360 has 15 average titles which doesn't equal 1 amazing title in alot of people's books... "

Average?

49 titles listed on IGN are reviewed at 8 or higher. That's a far cry from 15 average titles. 9 titles were rated 9 or higher. And I can name at least 3 or 4 that I personally would call amazing.

"There is no motion sensing which will be more relivant in the future... "

No mention does not necessarily mean doesn't exist or isn't being developed. Sony didn't mention six-axis/motion sensing until well after Nintendo did, but you can be damn sure they were working on it right after they found out Nintendo was doing it. By the way... how does it feel to not have rumble in the controller anymore? Oh and for that matter... how come most of the PS3 games don't take advantage of the motion sensing and those that do have gotten poor reviews of it?

"It's as loud as jumbo jet and really p*sses me off when i'm in bed... "

Hmmmm..... jumbo jet flying by..... 360 noise.... jumbo jet flying by.... 360 noise... I think I'll take the 360 anyday. And the PS3 is no whisperbox either.

"XBL Arcade sucks with your 50mb limit it's like being stuck in the middle ages with old arcade games... "

Again.. misinformed. Assault Heroes, Small Arms, Cloning Clyde, Marble Blast Ultra, Uno... to name a few of the non-classic arcade games.

"Microsoft doesn't own the best game and movie studios in the world Sony does... "

Opinion. But I don't see any Sony produced games that strike me as amazing. MS has released many great games. Whether you appreciate them or not, they are widely recognized as great. If you want, I'll pull a review comparison of both companies' recent games.

"Going online costs you where as is it's free on PS3... "

You get what you pay for. XBL service is widely recognized as a great service well worth the fee. You get more than just multiplayer gaming, you get text and voice messaging, video chat, in-game chat with other people...etc..etc..etc... If you really think the PNP is better than XBL simply because of the price, then maybe you should consider the PS3 is $200 more than the 360. So even adding in 4 years of XBL subscription to the mix, you still be running $8 less total package for the 360+live.

"Sony soon will have a library with quality games because they know it's not quantity that counts... "

Hahaha...... funny.... every where you turn Sony is losing their exclusives. Every major Sony exclusive (the few left) now has a 360 or cross platform competitor of equal weight.

Sony hasn't been about quality since the PS2 was released.

[MicroGamer]

about disc swapping when you were all playing Legend of Dragoon or Final Fantasy 7. Why is it such a problem now??

[QuietMan69]

When did SONY get you to drink the kool aid, man must have really potent........for you are way past being a fan boy. Check back after March and teell us all how great the PS3 is....as for not please shut up as you are just talking out your ass

[videl]

hahaha a hdmi cable for 100bucks, this shows that you are a total idiot. you can buy one for 20 bucks if you are smart enough. and your pros for the xbox are a joke. install linux on ps3 and you can do everything you want for free you moron. the ps3 offers far more than your crapbox, get it!

[Syko]

Cause the 360 has already sold 200 million units. Link to support coming soon....

[ThomasDaGamer]

There's ignorance, then stupidity, then down-right dumba**ness, then there's you.

200 million!? Now that isn't true, or possible. Really. The "link" you have must be really really inaccurate, or you're pulling this figure out of your a**.

[Syko]

That was my point exactly you cant just throw out numbers as you see fit why don't you provide a link to prove it cause anyone can put whatever number they want if there is no link to back it up... Jesus kid it was sarcasm ^^

[PS360PCROCKS]

Contrary to your beliefs not every person in this world can be classified as an "xbot" and "PS3FAN" so just so you know this is called journalism, their payed to make an article with their opinion. If you don't like it, I guess cry to Sony huh? Also, Simmo, I have a PS3 in my house, it's not that great, yet. It will be good don't get me wrong, but Sony will have problems moving $600 systems to consumers who can buy their PS2 for 1/6 of that. And to gamers who care about graphics, they can buy the 360 for $200 less...Yes sony has good games on the PS3, but the machine is still very expensive. Also in this article states that the demand is dropping for the 360 which is not true, more and more people I come across want the 360, just got it, have it, or are on their way to buy one. My friends who love Playstation, want to buy a 360 now, and a PS3 later and own both. Sorry PS fans, it's a much tighter race now, but it only means we all get to enjoy the same games...Oh and to whoever said the PS3 has sold 1.5 million, first off proof? and this wasn't expected? Come on everyone knows theirs atleast 1.5 million crazy PS fans that wanted it OVER christmas time, the busiest shopping time of the year. You act like it's a triumph or something

[Vino]

When new games or game info starts being announced for the next-gen consoles I'll be back for now I'd like to avoid the flame wars.

[Grown Folks Talk]

when better reasons (games) to buy these systems are more steadily placed into the market, they will all sell considerably well. again however, if ps3 sells 100 mil, 360 sells 75 mil, and wii sells 70 mil, or any variation of the above numbers, i will still be enjoying the consoles i own. the only unit in that sales figure that matters to me is the 1 unit i bought. none of the 3 are going to drop support any time soon. "What, you didn't think i had a playstation? I'm rich b*tch!"

[Sphinx]

I'm here at work, and we were talking about the videogame consoles and whatnot (his wife got him a 360 for Christmas) and he said he might buy a PS3 in a few years so he can show his grandchildren (you know, in like 50 years) what an over-priced paperweight looked like when he was 23. Just thought that was funny and would share.

[Alymon]

Nice. I don't really think it will end up being an "over-priced paperweight" but it definitely feels a bit like that right now.

I'll consider getting one in the future if it comes down enough in price and I see some good exclusives for it. At this stage, there aren't enough good exclusives, and I can't warrant spending $600 for a Blu-Ray player (which is all it would really be to me).

[Syko]

And all is said and done Sony's final slogan for the PS3 will be "Wii want to Jump In and Play Beyond(Insert TM PS Swoosh)" I hope Nintendo and MS got those TM'd cause somebody at Sony is already workin on stealn that too

[True Gamer]

I enjoy playing both my Xbox 360 and my PlayStation 3.

You guys all look like a bunch of 3 year olds fighting about which game system is better.

[Sphinx]

Don't look. It is very simple. No one forced you to come in this comments section and read.

[True Gamer]

to read gaming news and to see other gamers opinion on the news.

I didn't come here to see losers fight about which console is better.

[power of Green]

You don't tell people out in public you're a "true gamer" lol and play all three console's, are you calling people that have prefference (what you call) fanboy's?.

The only loser here is the person that thinks owning all the systems is a good thing, did you even read the story fool?.

[True Gamer]

The only loser here would be you. I know that by just looking at your Previous comments.

[power of Green]

You come in here insulting everybody and you're upset? lol< you said because i have prefference for the 360 only that i must be living with my mother, she's dead by the way. I'm a news buff and yes i'm here alot i have many ways of getting on the net.
post 18.3 & post 17 clash. If you have truly watched the conversations you would know you can't post without rabbid hardcore Sony fans attacking and twisting and insulting people much like; you have just done with every post in this thread.

[Alymon]

True Gamer....

The point of the site is to allow people a forum for open discussion of news related to games. If people want to dicuss which system is better and why, that is what this is for. Why is it childish to disagree with someone and open up a discussion on why one disagrees? As long as people stick to facts and avoid name-calling, there's nothing wrong with it.

People are going to post their thoughts and their statistics, and others are going to post theirs.

In the end no one is being hurt and hopefully accurate information will eventually be diseminated from the discussion. Note how Syko 360 (although somewhat inflammatory) posted links to source information about launch time frames for the PS2, Dreamcast & Xbox in an effort to prove that someone was making ignorant claims.

It's a discussion forum. If you aren't here to discuss the topic at hand, why be here at all?

[True Gamer]

It's okay to discuss about which game console is the best.

However I have watched the conversations here and they look like some adults living in their Parents basement trying to Prove their console is the best, its sad to even watch.

[power of Green]

Most adults don't sit around and play three different console's, people have jobs wifes and kids and so on. I dare you to tell people on the streets that you're a real true gamer & i own all the console's. lol

[True Gamer]

Btw its none of your God damn f*ing business.

[Raven]

I agree with you, the way I see it back in the days the gaming community was better, now it's really degenerated into something rotten and foul.

[Alymon]

The main problem I see with the community these days is that people are too quick to judge and too quick to insult. There's no reason for every argument to turn into a mud-slinging slugfest, but for some reason they always do.

[Raven]

I like to see people debate but if it turn's into a flame war then I lose interest in the trend. I've said my peace I'll be back next year maybe.

[rowdy 1]

why do so many cry over the consoles. I have noticed on the 360 sight that there are really no comments about anything good or bad. When ever I come over to the PS3 site there are folks everywhere crying whining and boosting up and down on the system. It seems that the PS3 is the talk of the videogame world of now. And this system is getting more attention than the war in iraq. I will get the PS3, but right now i am having fun with my PS2 and Xbox360. Everytime i go into the local mart there are PS3's there one minute and gone in 30 seconds. People are going to buy this system and its going to sell big. I've said it many times that the video game industry as a whole needs this system just for the name alone. The 360is a good system but I haven't played any games other that sports games that have good online play. All the FPS are capture the flag "please hit snooze". While Socom on PS2 is without a doube the best online shooter game I've played. It has good online missions, Co-Op, and you're just not playind capture the flag. I like the way the clans are set up and I like how you can war other clans. You can't do that with one xbox game. The 360 has one good game which is gears and may I add is an awesome game, but the online is sucking catballs. There are no objectives. When the PS2 came out Sega had sold around 6 to 7 million units, and it was a good system. I think some of you guys are jumping the gun on the PS3. Hell it's only been out 1.5 months. It's ridiculous to say it sucks or is terrible. I heard the same crap when the 360 came out on how the graphics are a little bit better not all that. Then the next thing you know the graphics start coming along. The next thing they need to do is start coming out with some descent online games that are not sports. The PS3 will evolve in time it is really to early to see what we as gamers are going to get with it. I hope it's something good.

[Grown Folks Talk]

have more than capture the flag. as does call of duty 3. imo, socom is garbage online and off. if you haven't played anything else online besides gears, don't judge. plenty of games have co-op, objectives, ect.

[Sphinx]

I think it is a blast to play.

[THAMMER1]

But your wrong about the online modes for the 360 BRO. You just must not know what your doing. And SOCOM is fun. But gears is alot more fun just with less people. It is all about the fun. Fake gamers are the cry babys.....B!TCH

[pumped_gamer]

PS3 SUCKS....hahahahahahaha...aaah hahahaha...just kidding!

[Odiah]

With their Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm? They look like recycled trash I used to have on my PSX.

[videl]

haha what a joke, the xcrapbox360 is recycled trash, go play your 1000. fps. ms zombie.

[Scrumptious]

How Sony's sales are 1 moth after the 360 price drop. Who will turn down a 360 at $300 when all the multi-platform games look as good or better than the $600 PS3? 2007 is stacked with exclusive sequals and originals for the 360, you cannot say the same for the PS3. A price cut on the PS3 is also highly unlikely for 2007.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

this is a stupid ? but what do the grey/yellow bubbles mean?

[FKN Unbelievable]

And Ps2 is outselling Ps3 so handle that. I guess you must have a team of monkeys writing your material.

"It seems that the PS3 is the talk of the videogame world of now"
Thats all cause people ain't playing sh1t for it.
Some Dude had the Nerve to say he Bought a Ps3 just for Motorstorm *Everybody stop laughing so i can finish* Oh well it makes no sense to finish.

[djbassay2k5]

yellow = how many post you made
Grey = how many post you have left

[Scrumptious]

I think the big problem with this generation is the amount of money required to invest in a platform as conpared to previous generations.

PS3: $600 for the system and additional money for charge cables, hdmi cable,memory card adaptor, ect

360: not as bad. $400 and the options you want later such as live or chagre pack.

Wii: $250 and the wiimote and nunchuck is $60? That's this gens most expensive controller!

With prices this high, people want instant gratification and platform security. This is why the 360 is picking up sales so fast since the competitors launch. A year of solid titles and great reviews to back up the investment. The negative press and bad game reviews have scared a lot of people away from buing the PS3. They needed something great, a title that wows the consumer and only for PS3. This is why it will take time for the PS3 and wii to catch up in my opinion.

[DJ]

"Sony has made too many mistakes this time. They came out a year after Microsoft with a more expensive machine that has features most people will barely use."

More expensive. More features. Harder to develop for. More powerful. Released a year after. Yup, it's definitely a big repeat of the Dreamcast/PS2 battle.

Hell, even the Dreamcast runs off a derivative of Windows, just like the 360.

[Grown Folks Talk]

the only feature ps2 had over dreamcast was dvd playback. both played games. dreamcast had a web browser. both had online play. dreamcast has games that look just as good and better than some ps2 games. dreamcast was killed by lack of marketing and by sony getting devs to believe the ps2 was going to be so much better than the dreamcast when it really wasn't.

[Marriot VP]

keep dreaming DJ

Just to list one reason. HD drives AREN'T the same as DVD when they came about. (how many HDTV's do people own and expensive is it for NORMAL people to upgrade to HD and a next gen system). Meaning the transition for next-gen consoles will BE SLOWER considerably for all companies involved because of the HDTV necessity and high prices.

And I know your reading off a list you keep in your wallet to remind yourself how the 360 will fail and Sony will conquer the world Napolean style. But have a look at this list, just for reference.
http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

[Maddens Raiders]

has only made it one of the most popular electronic items to have this holiday season, second only to Tickle Me Elmo Xtreme according to Ebay. The large amount of soccer Moms and Dads and your everday average folks all have a majority of kids in America and Europe which own PS2's. Those kids love the PS2's or (DS) as well as their parents. Those kids don't own Xbox1's and if they do they're s.o.l. right now so they might as well get a 360. The SNE name and brand affiliation will naturally draw a vast majority of these people right back to purchasing a PS3, with a handful purchasing an xbox360 or dropping out altogether. Once this viral purchasing starts it won't end. Not in the US not in the EU. People that think that it will and that magically MS is going to overtake the PlayStation line are in for a big disappointment. MS has made great inroads with the 360 penetration overseas, but it's not enough and Japan is a forgone conclusion. Just like Toyota bounced back from tremendous financial difficulties in the not so distant past, SNE too will continue to rebound from its mistakes. People often overlook the good things (Phones, LCD TV's, Memory cards, PS2 and Movies) Blu-ray is backed by too many production houses and electronics giants and these days more than ever, money rules and they are not going to lose -- so topgamr gan flash all the numbers he wants in his personal hd-dvd "stash" but all that buying won't help what 85% of the industry is backing. Oh yeah, and the PS3 has a superb BD player to boot. How convenient.

[Monchichi025]

That you forgot to mention how HD-DVD is outselling Beta-Ray 10 to 1!!!!

And you also said "Money Rules" to back up your claim?!?! You do know that MS backs up HD-DVD!! They have more money then Sony can ever dream of having. LOL You silly PS3 fanboys make me laugh!!!

[DJ]

never provide published sales figures to back up your claims that HD-DVD is outselling Blu-ray 10:1. The sales data that I've seen shows HD-DVD in a slight lead, with with both formats growing at identical rates.

[videl]

10 to 1, hahah what a joke. 10 to 1 for blue ray, there are far more blue ray sold than hd-dvd player you moron. oh, and hd-dvd is from toshiba, its from japan, this must be a paif for you ass holes.

[Monchichi025]

Do us all a favor and go away because you are notoriously known as a idiot little boy with the dumbeset comments ever. And funny how you call me a moron when you can't even spell or form a sentence properly!! LOL Go back to school son.
Oh and yes that was me that reported your comment as offensive because we don't want to hear your stupidity.
And to DJ..... we don't provide the links because it is well known to anybody who comes to this site that the HD-DVD is far outselling the Blu-Ray. You cannot tell me you have never read any of these articles that are put up everyother day. Go to Amazon yourself and see the top selling movies, no Blu-Ray movies there , but why is it there are like 5 HD-DVD movies on the list?!?! MAYBE because there is a greater demand for them!!! FACTS are FACTS, stop trying to twist them around to play to your fanboy dreams. Although I must say at least you are not the idiot that Videl is. LOL

[ASTAROTH]

Dreamcast sold well over 3 million consoles. More than a great advantage at the time. In that time the Dreamcast had the best games and the best future line up. Shenmue anyone??. The Dreamcast had a price advantage. When the PS2 launched at $299.99 the Dreamcast cost about $150.00. At the time the Dreamcast had the best graphics puting in doubt the PS2 "Emotion Engine" graphics ship. At the time we were really into the next gen. I was one of the one that believed the DC was better and looked better than the First PS2 offerings. It was Peter Moore at the time the one who said it was over for the PS2 because the DC was better. That only to be slapped by the news of Sega as a software company. I know how some of you felt. Seing Sega at bankrupt. And the hated PS2 being the most successfull console in history. Sega played it well with the DC. It was the resurection console for the company and we all know what happened. The PS2 looked weakly from a graphical standpoint, it had a higher price that double the one of the DC. The PS2 was criticized for using DVDs and for its first bathc of unimpressive games. Now, if we are a little rational... could DMC3, God of War, MGS2-3, Onimusha, Soul Calibur 3, GTA series be ported looking as good on the DC?? Hell NO!!. Is a game as graphically good as Black or Final Fantasy 12 posible on DC? NO!!!. So Sony proved with its new and unknown tech that they developed a console capable of competing with next gen offerings from MS and Nintendo. Nowadays, I dont believe the 360 is going to suffer the same fate as the DC, even if they share some similarities. MS is not going to give up, or make mistakes that will lead them to bankrupt. In the other part Sony is not going to give up either. Just a month and a half after the PS3 launched and everybody is saying that the 360 is the winner. A DC similarity??. The PS3 is harder to develop for. But good things are posible on it. Its a nice piece of hardware, more than enough to compete. Sony already sold their mark of more than 1 million in a month. Is the PS3 selling?? Did people want it?? Could Sony keep selling them at the high price next year?? Is the 360 really better?? Is the 360 the winner of the next gen?? Are you counting out the Wii?? Is it time to Ninty to rule again?? Is the PS3 the future?? These questions are going to be answered as the time past. Rigth now, even with the 360 in advantage, nobody knows for sure. FANATICS IF U DONT LIKE IT...
PS. Zelda TP RULESSSSS!!!!!!!!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

because it was never given the chance. who knows what it could have grown to become. it was a very good system. shenmue, ncaa football 2k2, nba and nfl 2k, soulcalibur, ect. how many dreamcast commercials did you see? i remember ready to rumble and nfl 2k and that's about it. no marketing, no money behind sega, and a quick loss of support due to sony's hype. none of these systems is going anywhere. it's just a matter of which a person prefers. i'm not a fanatic so i'm not going to... you know the rest. =}

[ASTAROTH]

You have a point. I respect that. Maybe the DC doesnt get the chance to show up, but I believe that in the end it could not be able to compete graphically with the PS2, XBOX and GAMECUBE. I loved the DC. I bougth it at launch with Sonic, The STILL amazing Soul Calibur and Hydro Thunder. Too bad it broke, just like my 360. Im STILL planing to buy another 360, but I see a litlle similarity with the DC. I KNOW you are not one of these FANATICS and its good that you apreciate others comment even when you didnt agree with it. I respect when other dissagree with me in a respectfull way. ENJOY VIDEO GAMES PEOPLE!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! AND... FANATICS IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO FK URS ELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[Lurker]

It's too early to see who will come out on top, I'm not loyal to a specific brand on the market whether it's electronics, clothing, music, etc.

To make it short I hope new games and genres come out on the market I seriously want to see new gameplay rather than graphic this time around more than anything else.

But being in the game industry now is hard, coming up with anything original nowadays is time consuming and hard work for game developers.

[JoelEH]

YUP....XBL is 1.2 cents per day if you purchase the year subscription....if you go on ebay and pay 30 dollars then you can imagine it well be a lot cheaper. So the Online award goes to XBL... Games....LMFAO My friend brought his PS3 with Resistence over to my house I got a 61" HDTV LOL...No HD cables for the PS3...I played his game for a while and then I poped in Gears of War....jesus freaking Christ I sure was happy about that.....So who said that Sony had the best game studios???? Yeah Sony ownes Bungie, Epic and the Studio that is making KILLER INSTINCT 3 XBOX 360 Exclusive...RARE...Just a few...Oh yeah I forgot that that any game that is made for PC can be made into a Xbox 360 game like nothing....HMMM didn't Sony loose most of their exclusives already??? STILL Losing them...
God I sound like a Sony hater already...I do have a PS2...BUT I aint buying a PS3 till they blow me away...and they drop their stupid price.....They should make a 3rd PS3...One without a Blu-Ray....make it 300-400 I get that in a heart beat...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You Sony guys have been saying "So when" for two years. “So when the PS3 comes out its going to destroy the Xbox and Wii.” “Blu-Ray will destroy HD-DVD and no one will need to buy xcrap” “So when the PS3 online network comes out it will own Xbox live” “So when Resistance comes out it will own anything Xbots have” Now its “So when Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, F1, GTHD are all around will people buy the console and even more when the bigger hits come of course they will is your answer. In the next three month's you will see the media do a complete u-turn up until the Europe launch and beyond... (SimmoUK) So when the PS3 finally lives up to the BS that you guys spew out of your mouths daily, Xbox fans will have already enjoyed almost two years of HD gaming and all its perks. Sony screwed up this time can’t stay on top forever; all empires eventually fall and rise up again. Look at the console history they all eventually make a toaster that doesn’t toast and if the Xbox fans (ME) think that Xbox wont come out with a crap console just wait. Sony fans the reason why Xbox fans like myself are so angry with you is we had to deal with the Sh!t above for so long now we get to smile until next gen. Now for this past year we have all argued and some have called each other names (Some were real bad guys) but in the end we are all gamers. If someone were to kidnap everyone on this site, put us in a room slap a controller in our hands and were forced to play video games. You all know we would have a good time and with that Happy new Years gamers :-)

[Lurker]

When will the Sony and Microsoft fanboys stop the constant bickering and flaming, the way I see it you guys wouldn't be able to smack to each other face to face in real life situations.

[dissectionalrr]

well, it just proves again that gamers want games. sony was just too ambitious with ps3, period. in the process in created a box that does everything half-@$$ed. games? sorry, 360 is easier to program for, and just as powerful. "oh, but its a blu-ray player!" why not just wait a year for the format war to be over and pay $200 for a player and know for sure it will have titles being released in the coming years? "but it can run linux!". yeah, so can my computer, whats your point? i mean honestly, what does it do that a 360 and the pc you already own cant do better?

[testerg35]

Son doesn't touch the PS3.. plays with Zelda (Wii) and 360 (GOW). Brother and brother-inlaw came over today and I showed off the PS3 RFOM. They turned it off in 10min cause they said graphics sucks compared to GOW and made a comment that graphics took a step back.

[THAMMER1]

http://stocks.usatoday.com/...

All of the finacial web sites are killing the PS3.

[Odiah]

You can't spell ROFL without the letters in RFOM re-arranged with the M replaced by an L. Man, where's my stash.

[richie007bond]

DJ sprouting his cr@p AGAIN

[Monchichi025]

I was just on Craigslist and seen a post from some former Sony Fanboy who is already tired of his PS3 and wants to trade it for a Wii! LOL Here read it yourself:

"I have a used PlayStation 3 in Mint condition that I want to trade for a Nintendo Wii plus $250 cash. The PS3 is the 60MB version and will come with Resistance, and FightNight. The System works great but I am just extremely dissappointed with the system itself as my 360 blows it out the water! I was just expecting a lot more for a $600 machine. But, I know there is some Sony fan who might want it so if you can get me a Wii, used or not, I'll be willing to trade you systems. Oh and $250 extra dollars of course! Let me know ASAP!!"

http://boston.craigslist.or...

This wasn't the only person selling a used PS3 either as there was more on the site as well. LOL Guess things are looking pretty bad for Sony huh?!

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

You're freaking insane.

Blu-ray is NOT slow. Have you seen the PS3 load a game? It's freakin' fast!

Why would you spend 100 bucks on an HDMI cable. The way they are made, it doesn't matter what brand you buy...as long as it's an HDMI cable...which means you can get one on Amazon for 13 bucks...IDIOT

With my Linux OS, my PS3 hooks to my PC just fine. it even has itunes on it...AND (to disprove you jerks) it CAN sync with my ipod!

I wouldn't mind the disc swapping at all...that's irrelevant...but why trash Resistance's 15 gigs. I think it shows quite a bit. There's so many freaking things happening at once...and they have to put other languages on there...it's region free. Why wouldn't they use 15 gigs?

and what are you talking about? My ps3 allows me to talk to my friends when they're playing games. We all have headsets...and they don't have to be MICROSOFT'S! They can be any company's!

Dude, i think the PS network is working really well right now...it's got everything you need and some things...

No, it doesn't offer me the choice of a blu-ray add-on, but i bet you went out and bought the hd-dvd add-on anyway DIDN'T YOU??? All of you fanboys that want blu-ray to fail probably did...

Listen, i love the 360, but it really can NOT match the PS3 on features or games...

[power of Green]

Nonesense, that may be true to you as a die hard Sony fan but the rest of the general public and the industry dissagree, havn't you been reading all the news from major News companies, reviewers and game shows?.

[TheMART]

"Listen, i love the 360, but it really can NOT match the PS3 on features or games..."

Bullsh!t

Features on games? All cross-platform games on 360 have more features and look better. Few examples:

COD3, double the framerate on 360 with 60fs compared to 30 on PS3. As are the colours, bland on PS3, right on 360

Rainbow Six: face mapping and lip sync on 360, those are not on PS3

Virtua Tennis 3: bland colours on PS3 (it's a structural problem), vivid colours on 360. No online part in PS3 version, 360 has online.

Tony Hawk: colours colours, PS3 has lack of colours. No online for PS3... But it has for 360...

Do I have to go on? Bottleneck 3 has a problem on the GPU. It's weak. That's why the specs are covered. 360 has optimized hardware for games.

Not to speak about the XBL Online service. SOny can't match it. In any way.

Features? A non standard blu ray player. Which could become the next Betamax or UMD. All made by Sony.

Urm... You're totally talking the wrong way buddy and above proves it.

Not too mention the real next gen games at this time and the future are on 360

Gears of War is right here right now, no promisses for Killzone CGI in what... three years from now?

Bioshock only on 360. Although every PS3 owner wanted it. Too bad guys.

Playstation exclusives coming over to 360: GTA, Assassins Creed, Fatal Internia, keep them coming guys

[Vino]

I like video games and all but We're losing a war in the middle east, you guys are b@#ching about who made the better console, right now I'm more afraid that we're heading into another world war.
I hope that doesn't happen.

[Odiah]

but I hope we Englishmen dont stick with you Americans. You guys are a bad influence.

*shakes head*

[FeralPhoenix]

like Americans being a bad influence are the reason why there is so much "hate" in the world today....people develop unfounded stereotypes of others and make judgements that are plain "stooopid" because they don't really know them or the facts. Despite the consequences from what this war has done, America has been trying to accomplish a "good deed" in Iraq, but of course the "critics" and "haters" always see it as a bad thing. It's funny how one side commits terrible acts like -cutting off heads and suicide bombings against women and children and the OTHER SIDE is TRYING to HELP Iraqi's have a better LIFE/NATION -and yet they are the "bad influence"/bad guys....how logical of you Odiah....but oh well its easy to be a "critic" when you watch the BBC news and then sit behind the safety of your computer making judgements. I got an idea, how about going out in the world and doing something to change it for the better.

-To the other members I apologize for my "rant" but sometimes I just have to say something.

Now this is a "videogames news site", so back on topic: I think Sony will turn things around, honestly while stocks are a important measure for any large corporation, its still only a "snapshot" in time, so with analyst advising against buying Sony shares Sony may take a hit for awhile, but eventually as the PS3 sales increase -hopefully with a improved "marketing/strategy" campaign and better games then I think Sony will be just fine. Also remember "experts" are often wrong too.

[MicroGamer]

most of the world's problems aren't the fault of Americans, but are holdover problems from British colonialism. America is the only country left that is strong enough to deal with those problems.

[MissAubrey]

Idiot.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I've read the reviews...but all they talk about is the launch games and how Resistance was the only good one. That's extremely true, but they aren't looking at this year's games...OR the actual features Sony is planning on adding to the system.

I mean more features on the SYSTEM you biased jerk! I'm NOT a fanboy...I go where the games are...and the GOOD games are still on the PS3. Cross-platform games are ALWAYS better on the system they were designed for...Activision/Treyarch didn't have enough time to put all of the 360's features on the PS3 version of COD3. Duh!

Do you know how stupid you sound guys?

Ur saying that GOW is Next-Gen? Dude, i've been playing better games on PC for years...don't talk to me about next-gen!

It's a good game, but how can you say Killzone2 won't be that incredible?
AND WHY DO YOU KEEP CALLING THE CGI FOOTAGE A LIE? Did ANY Sony executive say it was REAL? NO! Learn your facts before you speak. And DON'T send me that freaking video...because we've all known for AWHILE that it was doctored!

POWEROFGREENII and THEMART are the WORST fanboys I know...

If the 360 had better games...i'd be there...but Bioshock and Halo 3 are NOT enough to make me want a system. I don't think ANY of you have EVER played Half-Life2 or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

TAKE IT! PLEASE! We all KNEW gta4 wasn't a ps3 exclusive...and Assassin's Creed was announced for the 360 first anyway. It's old news. When MGS4, DMC4, KH3, and FFXIII go to the 360...THEN i'll switch, but right now...the PS3 OBVIOUSLY has the better lineup.

[nice_cuppa]

alan wake, banjo, bioshock, blue dragon, crackdown, crossfire, dead or alive ; chronos, elveon, fable 2, forza 2, gow 2, halo 3, halo wars, infinite undiscovery, kane & lynch, kingdom under fire ; circle of doom, lost odyssey, lost planet, marvel universe, mass effect, ninja gaiden 2, overlord, pgr4, project offset, shadowrun, splinter cell ; conviction, too human and wolfenstein...

all on 360.

all look good - great.

none on ps3.

anyone know any more ?

[Odiah]

:|

[Scrumptious]

Can the PS3 also play Super Audio CD's? I wanted to know if it could play that failed format as well as the future failure known as Blu-Ray. Also I heard there is a Beta-Max add-on in the works.

[FFVIIFan]

But I'm pretty sure I remember a TON of magazines calling the xbox a failure and the 360 a doomed attempt by MS, but I never really agreed with them cause the xbox was good and the 360 has turned out fine. Yet a lot of the same people who denied those magazines and news papers for their MS comments are agreeing with them on the PS3 issue. Its sad because all these articles are judging the PS3's future because of its launch. People know that ALL launches suck. And by people I mean the average Joe that plays games a couple times a week. They aren't going to make a foolish descision like all these writers. If Nintendo can pull the Wii out of their a**, and win over everyone's heart, Sony will at least slowly reasure everyone that their PS3 isn't a dead fetis, because it isn't people. You like the 360 over the PS3, that's cool. But just don't come in saying the PS3 is sh1t, and the same to PS3 fanboys calling the 360 crap. Grow up.

[LightofDarkness]

Above post left out Mass Effect ;)

Anyway, I picked up a PS3 while on my visit here in the states (as USD 460 roughly translated to about EUR 350 and I know they'll try to charge EUR 600 for it come March). I like the system, but it certainly needs some work. The Xross Media Bar is not as intuitive as the bladed GUI on my 360. Xbox Live is leaps and bounds beyond PS3 Online so far, and anyone who has used XBL KNOWS that it's worth the money (especially after experienceing the wasteland that is PS3's offering :/), anyone who hasn't shouldn't even comment.

PS3 is quiet, plus sleek and the futuristic aesthetic is definietly appealing to the eye. The SIXAXIS I have no problem with. Force Feedback is cool and all, but I have it turned off on my 360 to conserve battery life, as it's a very trivial feature anyway, thus arguing the lack of rumble in the SIXAXIS is a relatively moot point. That said, I have been playing my 360 since launch and must admit I'm a bigger fan on the 360 pad. It's ergonmics are simply fantastic and it's certainly a step up from the tried and tested but now certainly beaten Dual Shock/SIXAXIS style (although playing Pro Evo 6 will always work better on a PS2/3 controller ;)).

I bought two games with it: Fight Night and Resistance. I've been playing the Fight Night 3 demo on 360 since it released (gorgeous on my HDTV) and while I've yet to see the PS3 version in HD, I somewhat believe it looks a bit better on PS3. Yes, the crowds are blurry looking and the lighting's a bit different and less flashy, but I find it slightly more realistic, and the models of the fighters themselves have a DEFINITE improvement (look at the muscle tone, beads of sweat, hair, facial pores) and that's just from an SDTV impression (and let's be honest, once I have it in HDMI at 720p it can't look any worse).

Resistance is a good game, perhaps great. But the comparisons to Gears of War should never have even occurred. It's nothing compared to GOW. Gears of War sits atop a lonely plateau at the moment looking down at the rest of the games as if it were shouting "come on you lazy asses, catch up (if you can)!"

I've noticed a lot of impressive little bits and hints at the system's true capabilities (the glass cracking physics in Resistance show physics are certainly a strong point) and Motorstorm has very impressive physics, but I haven't been able to download yet as I have no immediate access to a broadband connection (I only got to test it briefly at a friend's).

Wii is an altogether different experience. I had to leave the country the day I got mine for vacation, but Wii Sports is amazing fun, it's fresh and exciting (plus a damn good workout) despite it's graphical flaws. Zelda I barely got past the first 30 minutes of, so no real impressions yet.

So far, the PS3 needs to catch up to the 360 in a few ways. Once I get my hands on Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword I may sing a different tune, but the 360 right now is dominating it all over the place. It's more a more focused all-in-one media package as of yet, and the PS3's inability to connect to my PC and stream is definitely a bit moronic (my music folder is 60GB on it's own, nevermind movies). However, this thing is hard not to love and while it struggles now, it's guaranteed that it will improve, and who's honestly going to tell me that Motorstorm isn't cool and that Heavenly Sword doesn't look like amazingly good fun? People here really need to calm down and view this console "war" differently, games are to be played and enjoyed, not fought over.