2GB of RAM is not enough for smooth Windows Vista performance. Here's why.
I don't care as I have 4GB of RAM in my beast anyway
I have 3 gb on my dell 1330. It is enough for my laptop 'coz i don't do gaming on pc anymore. I was gonna install xp but it will void my warranty. I still get alot of error message compared to my desktop which has xp.
"Needs" is not correct. Vista basic or even premium can be enjoyed with 2GB of half decent RAM. Of course upping your RAM will improve the over all experience, especially when using demanding programs or games, but not everyone needs this. 4GB is wise, but for the most part, not "needed". But at the current prices, you might as well chuck in those extra sticks.
it's funny I was just talking about this yesterday. I really think 4gb is the way to go if you have to deal with vista. I'm thinking of getting a Mac soon and skipping the whole vista crap.
Dont buy a mac. Apple is as evil as Microsoft. Just wait. You'll see.
Still hanging on to my good'ol Windows 98 Pentium III :P
Ur joking right pentium III
4Gig is overkill and im running Vista. With the price of RAM these days its a wonder anyone is running less than 2Gig.
ram are cheap these days, there are a few games that would eat your ram's memory alive. i have 2gb of ram and i have to close a lot of programs to run games like supreme commander. and no 4gb of ram is not overkill for any OS if you are a power users especially if you are using vista and 64bit.
At the moment all i have open is my Browser, MSN Messenger, Windows Sidebar and it's eating up 1.5Gb of my 4Gb RAM and this is on 64bit Vista Home Premium. So i'd say 4gb should be the standard is your going to get Vista and with the prices of RAM so low these days there is no reason not to. I can't imagine running this on 2Gb.
1.5 Gb! Damn! I think you need to turn off some of your services that you have running in the background. When I first got Vista it would idle at 900 mb. With some research on what to shut off, I was able to get it down to 650-670 during idle. But yeah RAM is so cheap (as low as $80 for 4Gb) there is no reason not to have at least 4gb on any Vista machine.
@altis1 - may i ask what services you shut down as mine also idles at around that mark sometimes a GB
Its quite a bunch. Use this site be carful on what you shut down. FYI I am a running Vista Business 32bit version. http://www.howtogeek.com/ta...
And it usually fills up about 700 to 800 megs of ram. But the thing is, when I fire up Sins of a Solar Empire the game itself takes up 800 megs, and Vista runs it without problem. When it comes time to game, suddenly Vista and its processes are taking up less than 200 megs of ram. It obviously takes a few seconds to alt tab back and fourth because it has to use a swap file, but while in game there is no hard drive trashing (access) and the game runs smooth. Now, 1 gig isn't enough for all games, but if you need more, it's probably because of the game. Vista has proven to me it's able to reduce itself to a very small footprint when it needs to. It uses whatever ram is available. Remember, empty ram is wasted ram. I also use Ubuntu on the same computer (I have XP, Vista, and Ubuntu on this computer), and I was surprised to learn that on this laptop Vista starts faster than any of the other operating systems. Even faster than Ubuntu. This could be different on other hardware configurations, I don't know. I will say that Vista takes a very long time to shutdown though.
Right now vista and its processes take up only around 740MB out of my 2 GB. i use SpeedUpMyPc 3 to free ram, clear errors, give power from my CPu to wahtever application, clear the internet(spped it up) and many more. you guys should give it a try, you can get free scans but to clean and do what i can you need to buy sadly. I got it free anyways give it a try it frees up tons of space on my RAM, before Vista used to take like 1.22GB of space now less than 750MB The software is by Uniblue and its called SpeedUpMyPC
When I first got my system, it would load up like 90 processes and had several entries under the registry "run" key. My advise is to load up Windows Defender so that you can identify the processes MUCH easier than just using msconfig to disable everything. Defender lets you see the icons that each program uses, for a "visual" way of identifying what each one is. THEN start up msconfig and start disabling each one that you dont need. Stuff like Live Messenger and most cd burning aps might have their own little programs that load up on boot as well, and you actually should be able to uncheck those options in their preferences tabs/menus. After this little bit of optimization (I disabled EVERYTHING...you might try it) you should be able to trim the total time Vista tales to boot up to around 1-2 mins, and should load up with between 38-50 processes. Of course it depends on what you disable and how many of those programs you left to keep starting up. Do your own research and start nitpicking through the ones that consume the most memory, as these are the ones causing your system the most lag. Good luck!
I have 3GB on my laptop running Vista. 3 is PLENTY. I just wish I got a faster processor.
8 gig works well to.....
Bottom line, Vista is a terrible operating system. You can do much more with 2 Go or even 1 Go on a Linux system... No advertising campaign like Mojave can change the truth. No need to spend billions of dollars to convince us that pigs can fly, they don't. Use your billions to improve your crappy products (like your 33 % failure rate on consoles)
Linux wont play my PC games. As mentioned above, I have both Ubuntu and Vista on this laptop. I use Ubuntu for desktop applications, and Vista for gaming. Go read above about how 1 gig is sufficient for many games on Vista (not the latest games mind you). Also, I like that fact that Vista starts up faster than Ubuntu does. On this laptop anyways.
Except Vista is just fine. Would I pay for it if I had XP, no probably not, but if it came with the system it's no bother. Plays every game I have thrown at it, even Sacrific from some 6 years ago and has never crashed. Oh it also loads slightly faster than my Ubuntu, but only slightly.
Vista : another failure for the history. The only OS which is 30 % slower than the previous one. Achievement unlocked.
thats funny im running vista ultimate on a amdfx62 3gb ddr2 memory and it runs very fast and only takes about 30 secs if that to log into windows from power up.
but eventually that started working out well.
Yeah, if you wait for 20 years, their OS becomes average. But I got no time, so I'll be using Linux.
who could disagree with someone else's saying that they get good performance with their setup. more fanboys getting out of hand with their prejudices!
This article sort of fails
yes u can 4gb is the max for vista 32 bit. 64 bit can use up to 8gb. im running win vista ultimate and 3gb ddr2 memory and it runs pretty fast.
thereapersson is correct, you won't be able to use that whole 4GB on a 32bit system. You might see 3.5GB or 3.0GB, depends on the computer and the graphics card too.
Actually, depending the hardware is not too dated, you can make the full 4 GB fully accessible if you load Physical Address Extension(PAE) on boot (which is just a kernel switch you add to boot.ini in Windows), which is the case with almost every modern OS. Unless that's a limitation of Vista, a 64-bit OS is not limited to 8 GB of RAM. 64-bit addressing is scalable to up to 16 EB(exabytes) of RAM, although it's typically artificially limited by the OS since it's not a limit that can typically be obtained by the physical limitations of modern hardware. It's funny though. I've been running OS X 10.5 on 2GB for a while now, and only because I wanted another gig to allocate more RAM toward running virtualized Windows XP. Before that 1GB was more than enough. I only which the gaming market would finally push harder on Macs so I'd have a reason to add more memory.
You can install 4 Gb on 32bit systems but only ~3.2 GB max is only used. Vista Ultimate 64bit can actually use up to 128gb.
Right, unless your proc/mobo supports PAE and you enable it: http://www.microsoft.com/wh... The 3.2 GB barrier is then lifted to 128 GB depending on your OS.
What I love even more is my 2 4870's in crossfire, my intel core 2 extreme QX6850... Now I'm bragging, but man I love my machine.
I would never run less then 128gigs of ram on Visa with 8 core's and my own nuclear power plant to power my home.
dude you dont need 4gb ram! i have 3 gb hyperx pc 6400 and vista ultimate runs perfectly! i even maxed out crysis at very high on 1680*1050!!(of cource i have a q9300, asus p5n-d and 2 9600gt 512mb ddr3 in sli!) its freaking awesome!!! if you disagree with me tell me!!!
This article is complete dog doo doo. My rig has Vista 64bit, and some badass GSKill ram with ultra quick timings. 2GB total mind you, I can still run Crysis with high settings at 1920x1080p. (no aa lol) I've been wanting to upgrade ram, but I don't see a need for it right now. If your smart, and you disable some Vista "features", you too can have Vista running fast, if not FASTER than some noob with XP. All computers and computer owners were not created equal. XP is not always better than Vista.
Is ONLY way 4gig is "needed" and thats a hardcore gamer like playing crysis type games on your Vista. I have 1.5gigs on my desktop and it runs fine and 2gigs on my laptop and its runs fine also. 3gigs is maybe the sweet spot but 4 I dont think is needed. But like people said the prices are low you can find 1gig sticks 30 dollars. *Hint HINT to all you laggy PC gamers UPGRADE*
Or do heavy video/sound editing. ;)
But yeah, 3GB is fine. I'm sure the Memory vendors begged Microsoft "Our profits keep dropping! Pleasepleaseplease make an OS that requires more memory." My Mac Pro is going to have 4GB, so I should be fine. Then again, I'll still be using XP. I do heavy graphics work, so I can't afford having an OS that eats up more than half a gig.
Mine runs fine on 1 GB of Ram.
Or turned off.
I have Skype, itunes, 7 windows open 2 have vids , 1 youtube, 3 others are open pages im to lazy to use tabs for and 1 is my surfing page ie N4G and im using Apple G5 with 512mb. And i can and DO run MORE and Never Chug or crash one bit. Vista is Crap. to bad for M$ bots Bill never copied the HOLE finished version of what Apple was creating or else M$ windows would actually work.
Why Vista needs 4GB of RAM ? Because it sucks completely. Another failure by Failuresoft.
My linux runs better with half the RAM.
It runs better with a quarter the RAM.
You're right but I didn't want to hurt them.
Hurt who? No one is going to deny that Linux is a low resource OS, unless they are retarded. Anyway, this article isn't about linux, it's about Vista. Which runs fine on 2 gigs. Personally my new Sony Vaio FW will have 3gigs...maybe 4.
my jentoo box is a beast on ram because I have so many background operations going on. Ubuntu is as much linux as osx.
Besides that fact that it's a piece of crap?
It just doesn't offer any improvements over XP, other than the visual perks. That, and it's a huge resource hog.
@DJ : Isn't it enough to conclude it's bad ? It's still ok because it didn't kill your dog on top of that ?
For me it added a hell of lot better handwriting rec. for my tablet. Also the start menu search is quite nifty.
Firefox 3.0 eats my RAM for breakfast! :( Sort it out Mozilla
Ya Vista does suck. Better off getting a mac =/
who the hell disagreed with me whats to dis agree with brainiac vista+8gb ram=smooth its a valid fact not an opinion
i tend to need about 4 oses on my pc i run linux for testing hardware (job) xp for gaming 2k for rendering and vista 64 for day to day...
still complaining about Vista that u don't deserve to own a pc. I have vista with no anti-virus or anti-spyware, with 3gbs. And i have not issues.
lol with 3 Gb... Vista IS crap so we have all the rights to complain. I work in computer security and I tell you it's crap as everything MS does. The only thing nice is its failure rate is less than 33 %.
^^^ I was going to give you some befit of the doubt(that you actual work in software security) but then I looked at your other comments and any credibility you had as a working adult flew out the window. *shrugs*
33_whatever is obviously a fanboy. I was going to give you the fact that you work for computer security but after I read your comment, you are obviously blind and won't like anything MS does which is a shame because they do have lots of great stuff. True you get the bad with the good but to make the comment that NOTHING good comes from them is total bs and you know it. It would be like me saying that anything from sony would be crap but I know that if I did, I would only be fooling myself and making myself out to look like an idiot because they do have some great stuff out there. On with the point, I have 2gb running in my laptop with X64 Vista Ultimate with no problems. Of course my gpu really sucks so I cannot play any of the newer games on it. My home and office machine runs X64 Vista Ultimate. I have 2gb Corsair twinx ddr2 pc6400 and it runs great and on my home machine I have 4gb ocz sli dual channel ddr2 pc6400 and I am thinking about upgrading another 4gb just because I don't like the empty slots and 2, I can pick some up for 65 bucks. I think you would need the extra ram for multiple processes and apps more than running the bare necessities and one program.
i have 2.5 gigs on my laptop and it runs really smoothly, i guess u need 4 gigs for gaming
running on 2gb of ram and its runs pretty well! but i say 4gb or more should be the standard of vista i see more and more computers on best buy and circuit city mag have computer that are pretty cheap and have 4gb-6gb of ram in them if your vista machine runs slow...there is always READYBOOST
I got 64bit Vista Home Premium with 4GB of ram and I like it alot, sure it has problems but it isn't as bad as people say it is.
Gee Pain your really a person who uses programs which use alot of memory...
meh I can run vista fine on my comp right here and it has 2 gigs on gaming ram....so um...buy good ram? and yes I can still play games as well
i would recoomend 4GB of ram on any 32bit operating system but im going to vista 64bit soon which can support hundreds of GB of RAM, only the hardware is behind when it come to 64bit OS. my next motherboard will support 16GB
32-bit software runs inefficient on 64-bit...so you know =)
Cause it's a POS?
I run with 2gbs on my laptop, and 4gbs on my desktop. Either way, they respond and react to all my commands and input and load programs nearly the same. It really just depends on how much of a load you start putting on your machine. Obviously, my 4gb rig can load MORE memory intensive programs then my 2gb. As long as you keep in mind what your limits are you shouldn't run into too many instances of hdd thrashing.
Laptop with 4GB and i cant use 1 GIG...i really dont know why. It annoys me since i freaking paid for that Gig, but Vista...or the motherboard? won't allow it. Vista acknowledges the 4Gb of ram but in the task manager it only shows 3.... >_<