With the Creation Engine showing it's age, we ask whether it's time for some reupholstering.
Yes they should. It's time for them to really go next-gen. Fallout 4 looks out-dated graphically - from the character movement and facial animations, to the rag-doll physics.
Not sure why you've got a disagree here. Fallout 3 (and New Vegas to an extent) was one of my favourites because it pushed boundaries at the time and did something so fresh and was more immersive than anything else out there. Fallout 4 has so many limitations, be it aesthetically, in the physics engine or the outdated and restricted dialog system that it feels like an old game. I'm still playing it, but can't help but be disappointed time and again. I recently found the crashed alien space ship, followed a trail of blood, found an alien - then had no choice but to kill it. There is no scope for ingenuity or interesting play styles. Just go here, kill this. Combat Zone is the worst example of this. Granted, those are more game-design issues than engine ones...
Agree, F4 was a nice game to play and still playing it. But also sometimes disapointed about various things...
Well said. Fallout 4 was a last gen game in almost every way.
Yes I'd love to see it
I agree with Askanison4. Fallout 4 is a good game, although it just doesn't reach the level of greatness of it's predecessors. At the time, The Elder Scrolls and Fallout were unique and unrivaled experiences, but the problem now is that there are games (namely RPG's) which do a better job at providing satisfactory storytelling, visuals, gameplay etc. With that said, I have enjoyed my time with Fallout 4 and I do still play it, but I always manage to find something to criticize, which leaves me disappointed. I do believe that it's time Bethesda invests in a new engine, especially when you consider that the next entry in The Elder Scrolls franchise will soon be upon us. The right question to ask is this, "Will Bethesda Invest in a New Game Engine?"... In four years time (I'm guessing), we will have another game from this developer, and if it's just as visually unappealing, with shoddy animation, poor quest/mission design and a lackluster narrative, then they will have a big problem (which might not even matter to them as the sales figure will still be immense). The reception Fallout 4 received should serve as a warning to Bethesda.
I just want another main line Elder Scrolls game. I don't give a rats ass what engine. I miss The scrolls of the elders. At the very least port over skyrim to current gen and make a new engine after that's done for the next big game.
Did you know that they DID in-fact "port" Skyrim onto next-generation consoles in order to get used to the programming on the new technology? I'm guessing they tested and worked out how the new lighting and graphical enhancements would look when applied to their future games. However, at this stage I highly doubt they will release anything Skyrim related. I think they're done with it and besides, why release a graphically and technically enhanced version of a game on console which modders have improved immensely over the years on PC.
Because like you said, that's on PC. I'm talking consoles. I know it will never happen. But I think it would sell like crazy. A lot of fond memories with that game for a lot of people.
@HRoach616 Don't get me wrong, I would love a Skyrim remaster, although Bethesda would need to improve more than just visuals; animation has always been an issue with their game engine and it shows... They wouldn't use their own resources to enhance the game whatsoever. BUT, they could outsource the project to another developer because like you said, it would "sell like crazy"!
It depends on whether they could keep it moddable. I couldn't imagine being stuck with vanilla versions of their games.
Fallout 4 is a very solid RPG, but it is one of the most graphically dated games I have played on XB1/PS4. This gen a lot of the best looking console games are open world (Infamous:SS, Sunset Overdrive, Assassin Creed Unity/Syndicate and Witcher 3). Fallout 4 often looks older than Red Dead Redemption a 5 year old game. Bethesda's next RPG should defiantly be built with a new engine that can handle more modern texture streaming, animation and not suffer from memory leakage.
Since they own Id software, why not start out with Id tech 6 and further improve it? I know they're totally different games, but they could at least share assets
I think Doom 2016 is the first idTech 6 game.
Id tech engine tends to create games with static, non-interactive environments. You wouldn't see the same level of physics from id tech compared to Creation. I think it would be a lot worse.
The only acceptable answer is yes.
do we always ask stupid questions?
Gamebryo has to die.
It's way too late for that. They'll keep piling crap on top of what they have, but at the very core it's always going to be Gamebryo.
Let it go!
I love how people talk about this as if they know anything about it. If it takes 4 to 5 years to build a game in an existing engine how long do you realistically think it would take to build a new engine along side a new game. But total and complete ignorance has never stopped people on the internet from knowing better than an entire massive gaming company with hundreds of near genius level employees. Don/t they realize it so simple. Just make a new engine and release TES 6 in a year or two geez.
That's because it doesn't take 4 - 5 years developing the game. That's what you think they're doing all that time
The Order 1886 - 5 years Fallout 4 - 5 years Grand Theft Auto 5 - 5 years Grand Theft Auto 4 - 4 years No not all game take this long to make. But massive open word games with a high pedigree often do.
Are you saying that developers should never make a new engine, because it takes resources and time?
No. I'm simply saying its not as easy as saying they should just make a new engine. It would severely hinder whatever game they currently have in development. This is also why the majority of developers have moved over to the Unreal engine instead of making they own like Valve or Bethesda. Square learned this lesson when they kept trying to make their own engine and it utterly halted they game development forcing them to move to Unreal as well. It completely derailed an entire generation of games for Square. But I suppose you could look all this stuff up... But you wont. Just know that there is a pretty good reason why Bathesda modifies their current engine instead of building a new one from the ground up.
You'd be wrong again Dan because this gen, a lot more devs are using in-house engines instead of licensing unreal like they did last gen. It makes things cheaper in the long run. A lot of the big titles you can mention use an in-house engine, not a 3rd party one.
Don't listen to sully, he knows jack shit about how games get made. You'd be better off asking your mum. He'll just tell you how Bethesda are crap, Bioware are crap and how all the games you like you shouldn't like because he doesn't like them, even though he probably hasn't played them. Sullynathan is a joke, look on him as a piece of dogshit you step on - You wish it wasn't there, but it is, and now it's crying out for your attention
And it won't hinder the game when they are using an outdated engine? I don't understand why you are defending a company, when it's just matter of company not investing money on better product? Form a team that starts working on a new engine while a game is under development on old engine, so it's ready when the dev starts the next project, or make an engine while you are developing a game (like Witcher 3, Battlefield 3 and MGS5)
"This is also why the majority of developers have moved over to the Unreal engine instead of making they own like Valve or Bethesda." Let's look at some major releases this year: XCOM2 -Unreal Engine 3 Far Cry Primal -Dunia Engine 2 Tom Clancy's The Division -Snowdrop Engine Hitman -Glacier Engine Dark Souls III -Their own Engine Uncharted 4: A Thief's End -Their own Engine Mirror's Edge Catalyst -Frostbite 3 Deus Ex: Mankind Divided -Glacier 2 Dishonored 2 -Unreal Engine 3 Final Fantasy XV -Luminous Engine Horizon Zero Dawn -Modified Killzone: Shadow Fall engine At least update your engine around the time when generation changes.
They will just use the Id engine I'm sure. The new order looked pretty nice
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