Comparing Valve's VR Demos vs PlayStation VR - CES 2016

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Why controllers might be the winning factor in the VR war.

[jon_snow]

I want VR games where i could sit and play. Not everyone has luxury of dedicated room and space. Hive doesn't fit the my bill.

[Rimeskeem]

Both demos i tried on PSVR involved about 3 ft^2 of room. just duck, shoot, or sit, but enough movement to warrant a fun a immersive experience. It really was something different.

[jon_snow]

All PSVR demo i saw involve people seated or stand momentarily then seated which is great for my tiny gaming space; Moving around will give you immersive experience i agree with you but it wont be enjoyed by many as most people don't have luxury of space.

[SonyWarrior]

oculus is looking to be the worst VR headset coming out, i seen that coming though. cant wait for vive and psvr

[kraenk12]

@SonyWarrior

The Oculus seems to have the best controllers though. They can even track your finger movement!

[bligmerk]

The Occulus is shipping with a Xbox controller. The Occulus controllers haven't even been priced yet, looks like they might add another $100. The problem is the platform. All new PC peripheral hardware goes through a long time of buggy drivers. Nobody seems to realize that Occulus is going to be dependent on Windows 10 support.

[kennyg3739]

@sonywarrior from everything i read other then price Oculus has the best variety of games and experience out of all three

[Wallstreet37]

Never read it has best variety lol Fromm articles I read it stated si far Sony has shown the best variety and their exclusives will only cement that. Oculus will have more because it's open but that doesn't mean anything. Ps3 had arguably the best games last gen even though it was closed hardware.

Kenmid....

I've read articles to the contrary talking about psvr games and what they've shown.

[kenmid]

http://www.gizmag.com/oculu... well there you go, read this article

[kenmid]

@sonywarrior, I'm not saying that psvr is bad or don't have any games,just from the articles I read Oculus is getting a lot of praises for games and it's touch controller other then price.

[UltraNova]

Guys the more games on Occulus the more chances are there for some of them to be ported to psvr down the road. I hope there will be hundreds of games on Occulus by this time next year. The best thing is that Sony will have a say on which ones end up on PSVR ensuring some kind of quality, something that cant be said for Ocullus.

[Neonridr]

I can't wait for the comparisons between EVE Valkerie PC vs PS4. I wanna see what sort of sacrifices have to be made to get it running on the PS4 hardware before I am willing to jump on board with that.

My PC is already Rift ready (surpasses the minimum specs) so I would much rather go for a VR experience with all the eye candy to go with it.

[IamTylerDurden1]

I'll take London Heist, No Man's Sky, Dreams, Rigs, Robinson The Journey, Driveclub VR, Ace Combat 7, Gran Turismo Sport, SuperHYPERCUBE, Get Even, The Deep, Kitchen (Capcom horror), Danganronpa, SFV, FFXIV, Warthunder, Eagle Flight, 100ft Robot Golf, Project Cars, ARK, Tekken 7, Technolust, Loading Human, Trackmania, Battlezone, Adrift, Eve Valkyrie, Modern Zombie, Golem, Psychonauts, World War Toons, Godling, Megaton rainfall, Job Simulator, playroom VR, Wayward Sky, VOLUME, Futuridium, Headmaster, Hyper Void, Among the Sleep, Atom Universe, Rez, Surgeon Simulator, The Hum Abductions, The Witness, Harmonix Music VR, Until Dawn, Dead or Alive, Distance, The Assembly and more as pretty good variety on PSVR.

[Tapani]

Vive can forget Japan altogether. There's not enough space around here. And this is a market of 130 million people where purchasing power and latest consumer technology comes together. Yet, Vive is as hardsell as Kinect is. So yea, PSVR is pretty much the only VR solution here that could sell. Oculus would be ok, but nobody uses tower PCs around here.

[ChrisW]

Yeah... Most apartments are a 1DK or possibly 1LDK, with about 6 to 8-jo per room.

Luckily, I live at my in-laws' house and my room is 10-jo, but that barely gives me enough space to minimally utilize Vive's capabilities. I'd have to set my computer up in the tatami room and take out the sliding partitions (which would give me about 20-jo) to be able move around freely.

[ChrisW]

Being able to use Vive to set up a VR room that you can move around in is just an option... A cool option! But just an option.

You can also sit down and play games with it, too.

[Tapani]

Ah right hmm... If you do that, is it the controllers that distinguish it from PSVR and Oculus?

Tech seems solid, but I'm not sure about their business strategy.

[ginsunuva]

Vive doesn't need a large space; it just gives you the option to. You can sit with it and play traditional games.

Now admit that you were biased and were only gonna defend PSVR no matter what.

[Erik7357]

Na dude, you only need like 4 feet of room.....and in general its just nice to have that extra immersive options and the Valve one really had more of a WOW factor to me than the Playstation VR.

The thing that makes Htc Vive's VR stand out for me was that the controls were actually MEANT for VR and they go hand and hand, playstation controller wasn't.

The quality is also nicer in my opionion but then again not everyone has a rig than can run this at a cheap price...

[Kidmyst]

I'd love VR even in games like Fallout, just more of an immersive experience.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Seems like a fair assessment from them.Vive does have a lot of gear to make it work and may be the most accurate.

Now ask them how much Vive will cost for the public to buy it.and that's before even having a compatible PC to run it.sounds like at least $1000 to $1500 combined to jump in.

I guess you got to start somewhere.but I still feel Oculus and Vive's success rides on Sony's successful launch of a mass market vr solution that will have 40+ million vr ready consoles by the time it releases.and be a more inexpensive alternative.

[s45gr32]

It depends on which device can deliver a true vr experience. Meaning, transport the player from the real world to the gameworld. Be able to feel physically that the user is inside the gameworld....

[Wallstreet37]

They all will deliver a true VR experience with all having their weaknesses and strengths. The word is out based on hands on and preview, the psvr is a real and competent vr solution and holds its own against the other two, even handles screen door effect better than them so far. It's like saying Ps4 and PS3 didn't offer a true gaming experience against PC because it's weaker, yet hell yes it did with exclusives on it that were better than most of not all PC games. A Mustang gets you the same place as a Lamborghini, yeah Lamborghini technically is better but the ride is still enjoyable and fun just the same. Either it's can offer a true vr experience isn't a question anymore, psvr has been tested by ppl and games like rigs are comparable if not better than other vr demos shown regardless of the hardware.

Yeah Vive will cost more than Oculus given its hardware but that walking around with wires and needing certain space for the movement immersion isn't a seller for most lol try to sell that in Asian countries where ppl definitely don't have rooms to spare or big rooms at all.

I'll stick with my PSVR...

Rigs is a system seller for me
London Heist looks dope
Ace combat
Possible DC vr
Gran turismo and other ips you can't find anywhere else. Ps3 was defined by its exclusives and so will PSVR and I'm good with that. It will also be defined by its comfort which iscsaid to be the best out of all.

[ShinMaster]

@ s45gr32

That would involve some neuro-stuff man.

[joeorc]

They all do, and rather well at that.
That's exactly why VR is not a peripheral it is a "platform" because example all three are pretty much one single platform for development purpose.

VR

AMD & crytek made the Liquid VR SDK & DVK that supports

Playstation VR
OculusRift
HTC: Vive

Even Mr. Luckey of Oculus stated that the Exclusives of OculusRift are not even Exclusive.

"Palmer also wanted to make it crystal clear that the games/applications that are listed as exclusive to Oculus are not exclusive to the Oculus Rift. Other VR headsets will be able to run these games/applications (provided the companies making those headsets allow Oculus to support them). Oculus does not intent to lock its software to the Rift. However, these games/applications will be available exclusively from the Oculus Store.

“When we say “Oculus Exclusive”, that means exclusive to the Oculus Store, not exclusive to the Rift. We don’t make money off the Rift hardware, and don’t really have an incentive to lock our software to Rift. That is why the Oculus Store is also on Samsung’s Gear VR. Gear VR and the Rift are the first consumer VR devices coming out, but in the future, I expect there will be a wide range of hardware at a variety of price and quality points, much like the television and phone markets.”

As Palmer noted, Samsung’s GearVR headset supports Oculus’ software.

“Currently, the only headsets that run content from the Oculus Store are Samsung’s GearVR and the Rift. If and when other headsets come out in the future, and if and when the companies making those headsets allow us to support them, you might see wider support, but we have to focus on launching our own products right now.”

Many VR games are cross platform from the get go, with some Exclusives to specific VR headsets due to 1st party and maybe some 2nd party development.

Other than that the experience you will have on one will pretty much be mimics on the other mainly because they all.use the same type of motion control set up.

[Ark_]

On the other hand the PC gamer market has a lot of enthusiasts, that are willing to shell out that money for a VR headset or upgrade there graphicscard to get ready.

Btw I think that all approaches, including those cheaper solutions for smart phones, are necessary to get that whole VR-industry really up and running. I even believe that the mobile market might be more crucial, since people often upgrade there phones or run after the latest hype. It will be cheap enough to give it a try and to get a first taste of what's possible.

I personally believe that this is a big part of our future in the next decades, but also VR is not yet ready for tripple AAA gaming experiences and especially gamers might be disenchanted soon by the software available. I personally will wait till the next hardware generation. I guess it will take a few years, propably till the next console generation to really be good.

[gamerz]

Agree that mobile vr is the next important platform for the reasons you mention and also the amount of software and ease of appstores. However AAA gaming is going to be amazing for those who pay and IMO, based on your post, you will be among us. haha.

[joeorc]

@Ark

Great post & points bubble up, but for this point.

"I personally believe that this is a big part of our future in the next decades, but also VR is not yet ready for tripple AAA gaming experiences and especially gamers might be disenchanted soon by the software available."

If you consider even mobile can do HD level already 720p AAA games would be viable in this Entry VR level due to costs in hardware being there in many smart phones being able to pull such quality off.

Remember already Video & games are already being shown off for HD level in Google cardboard certified devices. Now not expecting 1080p VR on a smartphone gaming for except for top tier smart phones, but the point is its still there at a level that dwarfs Entry level VR from the 80's & 90's which is a clear upgrade to VR now vs than.

AAA gaming is based more on gamers opinion on how the experience is for myself as a gamer. Many consider Minecraft as not AAA visual, but AAA for it's gameplay.

Same with : PS3 game Journey, or Xbox one : Ori as example's.

Its gameplay & entertainment value being many consumers main priority of what determines if or sometimes when a game becomes a AAA game for them when I say when many games get updates, added content now that can make a game better than what it started out as.

[ElRompeToto809]

Her accent sounded so fake lol.

[WeAreLegion]

Sounded real to me.

[joeorc]

http://www.wareable.com/vr/...

As you can see all three headsets all have motion control systems for their HMD headsets.

[kraenk12]

Imho there never was and simply is no war between PSVR and the other two main competitors. Sony is in a field of its own atm.

Compared to the Oculus The Vive's biggest advantage is its biggest drawback. Only few people have the luxury to have a dedicated room for gaming/VR + it will cost even more than the Rift because of those sensors.

[TheCommentator]

Yeah, PSVR's field is full of brown grass! Low power GPU, reprojection, inability to upgrade visual quality and performance, lack of a headset for audio, doesn't work on multiple devices...

[Wallstreet37]

Yet Rigs for many stole the show out if all the vr offerings lol and all testers said they were surprised at no to minimal screen door effect in psvr yet found in the all mighty PC demos especially Vive.

If we go by your thinking lol PS3 and 4 wouldn't have games better than most if not all super powerful PC games. You know games like TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Drive Club puts most PC racers to shame visually, and many other games.

For the hardware, what will probably be a 350 to 450 price point, better comfort, plug and play Sony's VR solution strikes the best balance and is a better solution imo given everything taken into account.

Go play rigs it makes everyone a believer :)

[Muzikguy]

I'd wager that the PSVR will be allowed to work on PC

[kraenk12]

What you call drawbacks are Sony's strength..uniform hardware sold in the tens of millions, great optics and other technical tricks to improve the comfort and usability. Sony is a great an experienced hardware company with years of experience in terms of 3D optics and motion detection, don't underestimate that. The games probably won't look as great as some games on Vive and Rift but that doesn't mean they will be less fun, especially considering Sony's experience in the gaming field.

[ShinMaster]

@ TheCommentator

It should be noted that PSVR has red, green and blue sub-pixels for every pixel as opposed to AMOLED's sharing green sub-pixels horizontally.

Sony is the only company that currently has an RGB OLED panel of that size and resolution.
More sub-pixels combined with superior optics (developed in conjunction with Sony's camera team) and high refresh-rate will close much of the gap that the resolution disparity brings.

You can use any headset you want, so you're not stuck with a subpar audio.

[TheCommentator]

Yeah, Wallstreet, $350 to $450 without a headset that costs another $80 to $100. How can anyone sell the idea of VR without audio immersion included? PSVR still can't improve like Oculus Rift is capable of because the hardware is fixed. So as of right now they're comparable at best, but they won't be in a few short years.

OT: Drive Club? Not this bs again. A game that is only made for visuals, that can't even match P Cars on PC visually, let alone run in 4k, or run at 60fps, or even manage 1/10th of the physics that P Cars runs? GTFO. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand anyways... but nice deflection from talking about all the issues I brought up in my original post. ;P

Edit @ shin:

The headset is removable on the Oculus Rift, so you're not stuck with anything if you want to upgrade. You are stuck with no headset when you buy PSVR though, and are forced into an extra purchase.

[ShinMaster]

Here's Project Cars on PC vs DriveClub:
https://youtu.be/Z_4ZxwwmDj...
And even if it couldn't match Project Cars, you're talking like a game on a PC looking better than a console game is some kind of big accomplishment. Clap, clap, clap.

[ShinMaster]

@ TheCommentator

Way to ignore everything else I said in my first post, btw.

Seriously, who doesn't have a headset or a pair of headphones lying around.
"Stuck" with an extra purchase... nice spin.
And you're forgetting that Oculus and other VR headsets are also more expensive than PSVR.

Yeah, those issues your brought up are sooo detrimental to the experience according to those who actually tested it... oh wait
http://www.tomshardware.com...

http://www.techradar.com/us...

[TheCommentator]

Wallstreet brought up DC, not me. I pointed out many reasons why his statement was inaccurate, like 4k/60fps support and better physics which all take up processing power that PS4 doesn't have. How about you guys stick to the topic instead of continuing to deflect the real issues?

Edit: When did Sony announce the price of PSVR? OR includes an XB1 controller and adapter too, which is why it will likely be more expensive. Why should you need anything else at all when you buy something that costs as much as a console anyways? Here you go; PSVR has a better screen, yes. Happy now?

[Wallstreet37]

Yeah I brought up DC and....

Tons of articles that say DC looks bettercthan project cars on PC lol now we are going to use project cars using 4k on an uber pc excuse lol like seriously? We all know PCs perform better, are upgradable, can do 4k etc it says slot when a console game arguably beats out a game like that on PC lol

Truth hurts

[Wallstreet37]

https://www.carthrottle.com...

Few more articles around there hailing Driveclub as graphics racing king. It must be flattering to Sony when it's racer is compared to high end console ones :)

By the way back to the point. The verdict is out, no disputing that and ppl who have played psvr say it's the real deal and does it's job well. It's hardware may be weaker but it can hang with the big boys.

[TheCommentator]

Way to stay on topic.

[Neonridr]

Driveclub in VR would take a huge hit in terms of graphics. So I wouldn't even bother comparing the two.

Problem is Project Cars can still look like Project Cars in VR on a PC. Driveclub CANNOT look like Driveclub as it exists currently in VR mode. The PS4 would literally cough once, and smoke would pour from its vents. Or you would get 10fps.

[ginsunuva]

Don't listen to wallstreet. RIGS made me and many others at PSX non-believers. Thr screen door effect was minimal yes, but the game was pretty bad. So much aim assist that you didnt need to do anything. We had hopes for it but if the flagship psvr game is that mediocre, then it's not a good start.

[cd1]

"doesn't work on multiple devices" - who told you it will be incompatible with future Sony consoles?

It sounds like you actually want PSVR to fail...not sure why?

[Zoombael]

Lol, in a few short years. In a few short years the next generation of playstation is on its way.

[TheCommentator]

CD1, all I've done is state the facts, so if it sounds like I want it to fail, I guess it must be a failure already. The difference between you and I is perspective. I don't have faith in Sony's ability to produce software consistently, nor do I have faith that VR in general will be anything but the next gimmick like Wii Remotes, Kinect sensors, 3d TV's, Light guns, etc. Oculus has a better chance of success than Sony only because their hardware will improve over time.

As far as the quote you pulled from my post, who told you it would work with PS5? It only works with PS4 until Sony says so. Quit being blinded by fanatacism. Did MS make the original Kinect work with the XB1? No, they improved it because the first one was barely passable just like PSVR is. Hell, most of the VR software out there is watered down from traditional gaming so people don't get sick from it. Ginsinuva pointed out what Game Informer says over and over again in their 51 pages on VR gaming.

Lucius, everything that Playstation has produced has essentially died in a few short years except their home consoles. Admittedly, they tried harder with PSP, but the Eye Toy, Move Controllers, PS Eye, and PS Vita all lacked the continued support to make them even remotely successful. To think any different of PSVR at this point is just wishful thinking.

[cd1]

Commentator - You may not have faith in Sony but there are plenty of third parties producing games for PSVR so nothing to worry your little noggin about. I also disagree with your opinion on 3D TVs...as does George Lucas.

[TheCommentator]

Except George Lucas didn't make 3D TV's successful, made Episodes 1-3 horrible, and doesn't like The Force Awakens. Not exactly a reliable guy, especially over the sales data that says otherwise.

Sony will not support VR in the long run, when the consumers show there isn't enough money to be made in it, just like they did with everything else, lol.

[cd1]

We are both entitled to our own opinions on VR, you obviously have no interest in it but I do - no biggy.

Looking at a couple of your recent comments I see you spend some time on PS related articles but only ever have negative things to say.

[Neonridr]

I would actually go out on a limb and say that Sony needs Oculus and HTC to do well with their HMDs in order to help spur the VR movement. If those two fail, Sony would have quite the mountain to climb.

Regardless of the PS4 install base, only a fraction of those gamers are interested in VR.

[bleedsoe9mm]

I'm not playing games where i have to stand up let alone dedicate a room , i work hard all day I'll just chill and play games on my TV . good luck to anyone who is excited for this stuff . maybe i'll try it someday when its cheaper and they figure out what works for regular people .

[tablecloth]

Congrats.

[Muzikguy]

I feel the same way, but I'm most certainly excited for VR on the PS4

[IamTylerDurden1]

Can't wait for Dreams and No Man's Sky on PSVR, imo PSVR will have the best games.

[Lng101010]

VR is not for regular people. Anybody buying VR this year (or next) is an early adopter. If you're just regular, don't buy one. No worry.

[dillydadally]

I agree with this. I don't know why everyone is focusing on these VR experiences with whole rooms. The only VR experience that will succeed mainstream in people's houses is one that works while sitting in your comfortable gaming chair. I think they need to work on making existing game experiences like Mario, Zelda, CoD, Halo, Madden, etc. work flawlessly with VR. Then you'll have something that can go mainstream. Net every game has to be first person either! Look at Lucky's Tale, which many people say is one of the best implementations of VR yet!

I think the 3DRudder is a neat concept to add better seated control. I hope it's compatible with most games.

[spartan_dx]

err the vive isnt only for standing use it can be used seated as well, its been demoed with elite dangerous using flight controls for an even more immersive experience.

[Wallstreet37]

http://www.tomshardware.com...

Love leaving this here for the haters and n4g armchair experts lol and trust me there are many more glowing articles :)

[s45gr32]

I feel that VR will only work best on a PC. The hardware for VR to blossom is already there. If you want a gimmick go with PSVR, but if you want a Lawnmower Man experience go with Vive or Oculus Rift.

[Bathyj]

Lawnmower Man. Ha, have you seen Lawnmower Man lately. Actually I was talking about that movie just last week. I was using it as an example of graphics that looked revolutionary at the time but look horribly date now. I think PSVR will handle that level of experience and more quite easily.

[Wallstreet37]

http://www.techradar.com/re...

Yeah a gimmick :)

[Wallstreet37]

http://www.polygon.com/2015...

Yeah you know it can't do good looking VR lol and doesn't have certain show floor games like Rigs which ppl preferred over what was shown by the competition. I won't begin to even post Rig impressions because then it'll really destroy ppls bs narrative about not being able to produce real vr experiences coupled with good graphics :)

Sony doesn't just talk, they show and are hardware wizards. I'm day one.

[theFAYEsorceress]

i want both, but i'd be more willing to invest in psvr over valve just because sony's is optimized for the ps4 already. i'm pretty sure oculous requires a lot more power than what my current laptop has to offer lol i don't have the money to go out and guy a brand new gaming rig just so i can use the oculous. i already have a ps4, so it's just a matter of getting the peripheral now. if i had the money i'd definitely get both though~

[Realplaya]

Time for the gimmicks.

[skratchy]

Eh, video games are a gimmick, if you want to go that far.

I think VR is the way of future gaming, but old school video games will always exist. Just like how 8 bit games and table top games still exist.

[skratchy]

I am down with VR, I just don't see the point in forcing people to move around a lot.

Remember the old Wii commercials, how everyone was jumping around? Well, you could still play all those games sitting on your ass, despite the ads.

[Izalith]

If its not more expensive than Oculus Rift, then im in as early adopter.

[Azzanation]

You cant compete with Valve. They made Half-Life.

[IamTylerDurden1]

PSVR has the more interesting games imo and it's more accessible.

London Heist
Rigs
Gran Turismo Sport
No Man's Sky (all but confirmed)
Dreams
SFV
Driveclub VR
Robinson The Journey
The Deep
Kitchen
Until Dawn
Ace Combat 7
Psychonauts
Get Even
Battlezone
SuperHYPERCUBE
Tekken 7
Eagle Flight
Golem
Rez Infinite
Warthunder
FFXIV
Project Cars
Eve Valkyrie
Technolust
Loading Human
Megaton Rainfall
Trackmania
Godling
Danganronpa
World War Toons
ADRIFT

Those and many more (off the top of my head) are coming to PSVR.

[ginsunuva]

The guy you replied to was being sarcastic. No need to whip out your giant list that definitely did not come off the top of your head.

[Muadiib]

Many are those are either timed exclusive or not exclusive at all, you best make another list.

[Bladesfist]

If you want to get into a list war I would not compare against PC VR. The list there is so much bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... (Keep in mind this list is really incomplete, for example one of the two games that are bundled with the rift is not on it.)

[IamTylerDurden1]

That list absolutely came off the top of my head, there are 70 games i could've listed if i was using a list.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Well i'll take London Heist, RIGS, Driveclub VR, Gran Turismo Sport, Dreams, Ace Combat 7, SuperHYPERCUBE, Robinson The Journey, The Deep, Modern Zombie, Eagle Flight, Golem, The Witness as i'm pretty sure they're not coming to anything but PSVR. That's without checking a list, there's obviously more exclusives.

[Vasto]

HTC Vive is the one I am interested in.

[joeorc]

https://youtu.be/yyca0sHKkJ...

Just watch this about the new Mattel VR view master, its $30.00 and its adults reaction of the classic Mattel view master vs the new VR view master.

The new view master is also
google card board certified device.

The Adults were excited for VR..what's going to push VR is the content, and outside just games VR is here to stay.

[wind79]

Its not related to VR games, but whoever provides the most support for VR Porn will win...

[dip01]

Valve ofcourse cause with PCs they have more flexibility and power to work with.

[Rhythmattic]

That's it!!!

Half life 3 will be a VR Experience....

Cmon, the vive (revive) by HTC ......

That's HTC..... Halflife Three Confirmed !!

[Smitty2020]

I want the price for PlayStation

[Muadiib]

It will cheaper as you get what you pay for.

[IamTylerDurden1]

I've been impressed with Driveclub VR, London Heist, Rigs, SuperHYPERCUBE to name a few. Truly exhilarating in person.

[Wallstreet37]

Yes, everyone that has played Rigs has left a believer. An although hardware wise PSVR may be weaker Sony are hardware experts and will have great VR experiences comparable and sometimes better than the other big two offerings just like PS3 and PS4 have had exclusives that have shown off.

Club PSVR all day! Cant wait for price and release date! Ill be on the line waiting just like i did with the Vita, PS3 and PS4 and never felt burnt for being an early adopter because the hardware was top of the line and worth it (in respect to the price i paid)

350 to 450 for PSVR im calling it like i have been.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Precisely what i've been saying, $350 - $450 for PSVR. I think 400 would very reasonable at 200 less than Oculus.

[SaveMeJebus]

I can't wait for PSVR! I just wish they'd give us a damn price already.

[AmUnRa]

Neonrdr PS VR is not running on the PS4 Hardware alone, it has is own box to so PS VR is using the PS4, but not alone the PS4.